Rise and Fall of the 308 Winchester

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@sharkk2770 3 жыл бұрын

He's right guys! The 308 has been deemed useless and inferior! Please send me your favorite 308 and all the ammo you have.

@congaronbo 3 жыл бұрын

Amen!

@F15ElectricEagle 3 жыл бұрын

Send them to you? Hey! No cutting in the line.

@lonniedye7068 3 жыл бұрын

I love my 308 and will continue its use.

@EternalRecursion 3 жыл бұрын

My Thompson Center Icon in .308 Win is my favorite rifle to shoot

@edevans8139 3 жыл бұрын

@@noamjnhbgvfcdxs5698 Scammer

@brandonjordan2516 3 жыл бұрын

.308 isnt going anywhere anytime soon. People love it and it's still a relevant and very good game, precision and battle rifle cartridge.

@danikaflorence444 3 жыл бұрын

I can buy 1000 rounds of 7.62x39 for at least half the cost while still maintaining the same terminal ballistics

@damian5479 3 жыл бұрын

@@danikaflorence444 but not at 1000 yards.

@jarredlkling 3 жыл бұрын

@@damian5479 .308 ballistics at 1000 yards are not ethical or legal for hunting and you won't convince any jury on a 1000 yard defensive shot.

@damian5479 3 жыл бұрын

@@jarredlkling Yes you are right. I comment about long range shooting.

@__Ryan_ 3 жыл бұрын

@@danikaflorence444 yes but clearly not out to the same range.

@toothless01 2 жыл бұрын

All I can say is the .308 has never let me down. It has put many deer in my freezer.

@Jeff_Seely 2 жыл бұрын

Who can fault the 308 for that?

@gradyhernandez4699 Жыл бұрын

260 Remington

@Jeff_Seely Жыл бұрын

An excellent cartridge and very accurate. It has a big following among PRS shooters and the 260 Terminator as well. The 260 is one that should have gone a lot farther as a hunting round but it had Remington's poor marketing to help diminish another great round. BOOOOO!

@markwilliams5606 Жыл бұрын

Wouldn't want any other. Love my Winchester 308. Adios 🤠

@brianshaffer5090 Жыл бұрын

@@Jeff_Seely I can fault it for not keeping my tracking skills honed. Everything's just laying there dead.

@robertgaylord8263 2 жыл бұрын

I used the 308 in Vietnam, and I've used it on many deer. Still my favorite rifle round, bar none.

@Jeff_Seely 2 жыл бұрын

And I like that we are free to like what we like and it is good medicine for any deer! Get out, shoot that 308, and enjoy it! Maybe I'll see you around!

@Jeff_Seely 2 жыл бұрын

The 308 is a great platform for the tasks that you mentioned, in my very humble opinion. I also have a 6.5Cr and it's a good solid round. But my very favorite is my trusty 270. It's bigger and more powerful than the 6.5Cr and every bit is accurate. I live in Central Texas and the 270 is the rifle that goes with me deer hunting.

@rainbow2710 Жыл бұрын

Ironically all my friends that got into the 6.5mm craze, return to the 308 as it's challenging and it's what will make you a good shooter.

@Jeff_Seely Жыл бұрын

And that's a good topic for discussion. You're right 308 has more limitations and will make you a better shooter in my opinion. Actually what made me the best shooter is setting up at over 600 yd with a 223 or my 22LR at closer distances. Both rounds are cheap, heavily available, and if used properly will teach you more than anything will.

@jeffreyg8275 Жыл бұрын

My Dad said M14 was very accurate

@oldschooljack3479 3 жыл бұрын

How do you know a guy shoots a 6.5 Creedmoor? Just wait 5 seconds... He'll tell you.

@bsmith273 3 жыл бұрын

Don’t hate on the 6.5 ...times change my friend I’m sure people were up set when they got rid of the flintlock rifle ....and someday the 6.5 will be replaced also

@14goldmedals 3 жыл бұрын

6.5 Needmore

@gsxr1189 3 жыл бұрын

308 had a good run but it's prime has come and gone nowadays 308's an antiquated old glue horse she's as old and dull as her performance at distance and at those distances a rifle chambered in 308 is ♿handicapped♿ by caliber. 🤣🤣🤣

@oldschooljack3479 3 жыл бұрын

Fellas, I'm not knocking 6.5 CM... It's what my daughter shoots.

@bsmith273 3 жыл бұрын

@@oldschooljack3479 obviously she gets her common sense from her mother then

@marzcapone9939 3 жыл бұрын

.308 is like my car, it's paid for, runs great and there's gas in the tank.

@oldrabidus2230 3 жыл бұрын

....and you find $200 under your cup holder you forgot about.

@marzcapone9939 3 жыл бұрын

@@oldrabidus2230 It just keeps getting better👍

@oldrabidus2230 3 жыл бұрын

@@marzcapone9939 Absolutely. When 6.5 came around, everybody ran away from 308, dissed it and humped 6.5. A couple years later? Like a great woman you took for granted, you realize the error of your ways and go back to being comfortable, stable and content.

@noamjnhbgvfcdxs5698 3 жыл бұрын

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@Ezekiel903 3 жыл бұрын

the best short action bullet!! the 30-06 is simply to big, and the 308 is powerful enough for for so many jobs

@JohnBrowningsGhost 2 жыл бұрын

.308 is the only cartridge that I would find in any quantity over the course of the pandemic, everything from ball ammo, hunting ammo to target. The .308 is a great cartridge and it will stay that way for a long time.

@barrysoetoro3337 Жыл бұрын

There were a few months during the last ammocrush where .308 was cheaper than 5.56/.223

@jason200912 Жыл бұрын

I found it but at the same price as 30-06 which is a ripoff

@jonnielsen835 Жыл бұрын

Exactly why I bought mine

@kennetholsten5468 Жыл бұрын

Thanks, that's my take also. There are dozens of new whizbang cartridges out. Try finding and buying a thousand rounds of it though.

@gbullock2598 2 жыл бұрын

Though many units across the U.S. military have transitioned to the . 300 Winchester and . 338 Lapua Magnums for long-range use, the . 308 remains a workhorse of the designated marksman and sniper roles.

@alexistaylor969 Жыл бұрын

308 only in specialized units or smaller units given the "expired" left overs from specialized units. Normal unit's designated marksmen and sniper platoons would normally only use 7.62x51 due to being easier to supply and consistency. Unless the unit's members are specialized and trained in reloading their own rounds for a preferred DOPE they will usually just use batches of 7.62x51 and put that information in their DOPE book.

@alexmills1329 Жыл бұрын

The only thing I’ve seen .308 still used for is in a m240. That’s a lot of fun in a Hand carried package, but as a sniper round, no it is not.

@josecoop 9 ай бұрын

@@alexmills1329 And the DMR.

@tgrif04 3 жыл бұрын

The only place the 308 has fallen is in the eyes of the Paid Writers. I have shot the 308 since 1969. It was my first centerfire rifle in the army. I still shoot it today. It is my "when something has to be killed, the 308 will do the job.

@waynemayle865 3 жыл бұрын

Damn right love the 308

@Chilly_Billy 3 жыл бұрын

That's right. If the writers don't pump up the new stuff, they don't get paid. After all, how often can you say the same things about existing cartridges and firearms?

@joshjamesguitar 3 жыл бұрын

Let me know when you wanna shoot past 1200 yard consistently

@Sackmatters 3 жыл бұрын

@@joshjamesguitar you do not get the point. A 308 is not meant or designed to shoot that far. Neither is a 6.5.

@joshjamesguitar 3 жыл бұрын

@@Sackmatters Except it actually does shoot that for pretty damn well. One of the guys in the King of 1 mile competition came 20th out of 100+ with a bone stock 24" Ruger RPR in 6.5Creedmoor. It's certainly way better at it that the .308 and that's mainly down to the fact 6.5Cm doesn't go transonic till 1300-1400 yards. I have 3 loads for mine and they are not even hot loads just at 52k psi and not even using the most efficient projectiles are still super sonic past 1250 yards. out of a 24" barrel, a friend with a 28" is even past the 1400 mark. Is it the best definitely not but it outperforms the .308 ballistically with less recoil

@joedropulich3664 3 жыл бұрын

Regardless of what the .308 Win. "isn't", the .308 Win. is, has been and always will be an outstanding hunting round.

@MrSquigglies 3 жыл бұрын

Same for the .30-30, and a whole lotta others too

@joedropulich3664 3 жыл бұрын

@Kenny Reilly Yep in a slick model 99 I would have no problem hunting elk with it.

@durrtybuck8949 3 жыл бұрын

Good ole .45 never failed me either.

@Fratzenow 3 жыл бұрын

Depends an the game and distances you’re hunting. I do hunt with silencer on close distances on small to medium sized game. Used the 30-06 for years but never been as pleased as with the 308.

@Plainsimple67 3 жыл бұрын

THE BEST ONE DO IT ALL ROUND IN A SHORT ACTION!!

@stephenhair5501 Жыл бұрын

The .308 is a trusty workhorse. It does a lot of things well. When I find myself debating on what rifle to take hunting, my 308 is like an old friend. I reach for it and never doubt my selection. It's familiar, reassuring and up to the task. I'll never be without one. And yes, you can find one nearly everywhere you look. This cartridge will be around long after I'm gone and I smile knowing that my Grandchildren will be using my old friend one day. Thanks for sharing this Ron.

@jmax.6587 Жыл бұрын

Yep I’m in the process of buying a ruger in .308. I like that I can shoot lighter 150 grain bullets and still get the heavier 185 grain bullets as well. I wanted a versatile rifle I could take deer hunting or even target plinking out to 500 comfortably. Anything past 500 won’t be as easy of a shot but I’d like to be capable of it shall I ever need to shoot that far

@malcolmpayne9517 Жыл бұрын

The .308 is a top notch round. I can't count how many deer and wild hogs I've dropped to the .308. I love my 30-06, 300 win mag. and my 7mm rem. mag., but my .308 drops game just the same. Definitely one of America's favorite cartridges from target shooting, to military duties, to putting meat in the freezer.

@RiverJunkie 3 жыл бұрын

.308 is hard to beat when in the field! Moderate recoil, great Bullet selection, and good down range energy, it puts a hurting on deer size game !! Stay Vigilant

@jesusoftheapes 3 жыл бұрын

It puts a hurt on anything it shoots ! If you want to use it for anything bigger they make specialty ammo that outputs close to magnum numbers.

@milesrost6674 3 жыл бұрын

Well said!! God Speed.

@mexital1159 3 жыл бұрын

.308 is ok. I really like the .30-06 the 30-06 has so many options for projectiles and handloading. For out of the box performance 300 winmag is the way to go!

@taraswertelecki3786 3 жыл бұрын

@@mexital1159 Too much recoil for me, at least for repeated firing. Also this round is harder on barrels than a .308 is. Where a .300 Win Mag excels is when you need the extra velocity for longer ranges.

@HighSpeedNoDrag 3 жыл бұрын

Oh yeah with slightly more powder above specs!!

@stanleyklimek4100 3 жыл бұрын

The 308 is around to stay for a long time.

@bldlightpainting 2 жыл бұрын

I love my .308 Winchester in my model 70. With the right loads and good bullet placement, there's not too many critters on this planet you cannot take.

@jamesmcdougal4814 2 жыл бұрын

I was never a fan of the 308 until I bought one this year. Remington 7400. Did everything I asked it to do. Love it!

@malachiwhite356 2 жыл бұрын

Any reliability or accuracy issues with that rifle?

@jamesmcdougal4814 2 жыл бұрын

@@malachiwhite356 none at all! I love it!

@roonbooks3227 3 жыл бұрын

after hunting 50 yrs. ive come to believe almost anything can be killed with almost anything...i love my .308

@johnnyhighwoods1780 2 жыл бұрын

same here. l have killed them with . 223 to 3006,many calibers in between,

@TheBamayaker 2 жыл бұрын

You are so right sir. I’m 63 and been hunting since my teens. If you look at Remington or Hornady ballistic tables at 75 - 150 yards where 90 % of game is killed, there’s not enough different to mean a thing. All this hip hype is to keep retailers in business pushing new stuff. I’ve dropped deer with everything from .222 Remington to 30-06 they all died. My uncles shot big game in Colorado in the 50’s and 60’s with 30-30 and didn’t even know the meaning of Ballistic coefficient or sectional density or other hype words. Put any centerfire mushrooming bullet in the boiler room and death is certain.

@calvinlayport3127 2 жыл бұрын

I believe the same thing I taught my children bullet placement is the most important thing no matter true if you shoot a deer with a 300 magnum he's going to be a dead deer but if you shot the same deer in the head with a 22 long rifle he's going to be just as dead

@jessepitt 2 жыл бұрын

@@calvinlayport3127 Allegedly when I was starving in college I poached a spike buck off the large property I did landscaping on. I had the landowners blessing and even encouragement, I would never shoot out of season or without a tag now. I allegedly used my old Remington model 34 in .22lr that is super quiet and put one in the bucks ear and dropped him on the spot from about fifty yards. We ate well that Christmas….allegedly.

@twofortydrifter 3 жыл бұрын

308 is everywhere, even during this shortage. I can't remember the last time I saw 6.5 creedmoor in stock.

@geebroni4118 3 жыл бұрын

Also, the nato ammo can be found relatively cheap for plinking/ practice.

@twofortydrifter 3 жыл бұрын

@@geebroni4118Normally, I would agree with this, but during this shortage, I've been able to find 308 more readily than 762x51. No idea why.

@amasterson1490 3 жыл бұрын

It's awsome watching those 6.5 clowns that can't shoot pick a box of 308 now a days

@bradleymorris8875 3 жыл бұрын

6.5 is just for the AR guys ... beards , tattoos, flip flops and a bump stock don’t make a man. I’m old and roll with a 60 year old bolt gun in .308 Win and shoot the same groups as the black gun guys with 38 year old junk surplus ammunition with $79 glass.

@DLCShark 3 жыл бұрын

Facts

@libertarian1637 2 жыл бұрын

I think the 22-250 Rem was the best sniper round ever used by the LAPD. A big thing is you can always get bigger or faster but efficiency is about doing what you need to with the minimum amount needed. People will put rounds down because something is better but ultimately, especially with the military, things can be good enough.

@3rdcoastambit220 5 ай бұрын

I've never been a huge .308 fan, but it is a solid deer cartridge for the 150lbs whitetail we have in Texas. At 500yds, it's still going right at 2000fps with of energy behind a 150gr bullet. It does this with minimal recoil, 1moa accuracy, and the ability to use high capacity magazines in ARs & M14s. So kept within its limits, it's a pretty damn good cartridge.

@saltrock9642 3 жыл бұрын

I’m sticking to my .308win. We’ve been together for a long time and we belong together forever.

@christyjohnson9235 3 жыл бұрын

amen

@jeremyproper15 2 жыл бұрын

Amen me too 308

@DraganB52 2 жыл бұрын

Same I will not part with my 308!

@nicholaskoenig1089 2 жыл бұрын

Why not both? 🤔

@Faceless_Angel 2 жыл бұрын

Ya .. this cowboy doesn’t know .. 308 is loyal ..

@jerkerhallqvist8386 3 жыл бұрын

Funny looking at this as a Swede. Here we have the exact same relationship with 6.5 as you guys have with the .308. Everyone uses it, their dad used it, there is ammo everywhere cheap and used rifles are traded for 50 bucks, mostly old Mausers. More elk downed in Sweden with 6.5 than any other caliber I think. In Finland it’s the Russian 7,62 because of all the old Mosins around. Whatever works works and most things you are trained with works. 👍

@deltapapa4188 3 жыл бұрын

Facts

@tballstaedt7807 3 жыл бұрын

The 6.5 you refer to happens to be an excellent cartridge, superior to the .308. I had an old Karl Gustav Mauser in 6.5. It was beat to hell but the bore and chamber were immaculate. That sucker had sub MOA accuracy. I wish it was a common commercial cartridge here in the USA, because I would be using it.

@mjolnirswrath23 3 жыл бұрын

@@tballstaedt7807 8mm Mauser is better..damn Cannon It's a 1000 yard gun but I've pushed mine to 1,675 yards, guy that influenced me to buy one put rounds to Steel plate 1'967 yards iron sights....ammo was difficult to obtain however EVERY armoury in the world has it..

@mjolnirswrath23 3 жыл бұрын

Same with 308 which is why I sold the Mauser and went ar10 my goal will be 8mm Mauser conversion though switch uppers might have to have a longer chamber but it can be done

@tballstaedt7807 3 жыл бұрын

@@mjolnirswrath23 yes the 8mm is an excellent cartridge too. An 8mm AR10 would be very interesting indeed.

@superzuki5831 2 жыл бұрын

I've been using Grandpa's old Winchester model 88 in .308 since 1979. It shoots very well and has never let me down. With 180 grain bullets it's devastating. 1 shot killer!! It's my favorite rifle!!!

@barryjanis Жыл бұрын

I have a Model 88 Win. I don't shoot over 200 yds. I love it .

@wintersfarm1340 Жыл бұрын

I have taken elk at 350 yards with my Model 88. Something about old rifles is just comforting.

@michiganmoto7687 Жыл бұрын

The .308 is good as a short to medium range sniper round due to how stable it is when penetrating glass and still finding its mark. Higher velocities tend to not do so well for that application.

@dasy2k1 Жыл бұрын

Also having your short/mid range sniper able to use the same ammo as your machine gunner means one less type of ammo to supply to the front.... If you only have to drop 7.62/51 and 5.56 it's easier than having 4 or 5 types of ammo

@SurvivalistMedia 6 ай бұрын

Deflection after hitting a branch or glass window is worse the slower a round is moving. Faster is better for decreasing variance after impact. Weight’s primary advantage is maintaining lethal energy after hard barrier penetration. The slower speed will however cause a greater amount of deflection.

@jeffbeck3770 3 жыл бұрын

I wouldn't part with my .308. Perfect for my hunting needs and I'm not trying to impress anyone in the woods, I'm just trying to put meat in the freezer.

@karstenfuglsang1638 3 жыл бұрын

Your a great guitar player man 😁

@jeffmorrow1957 3 жыл бұрын

It’s certainly a good cartridge for that as long as you don’t stretch the range beyond what’s practical for the.308

@ferengiprofiteer9145 2 жыл бұрын

Have hunted west Texas for 35 years with a 308 Remington pump carbine. 300 lb boar dropped in his tracks at 254 yrds. Never had to track a deer. Can't imagine spending a penny for another gun. It's a tool. Works fine. Lasts a long time. Rise & fall? Musta been a slow day.

@tomislavobrovac9313 3 жыл бұрын

I've never seen a boar or a buck get up a walk away from a .308 softpoint. Plus it's plentiful and reasonably priced. So I'm a huge .308 fanboy.

@johnmilner5485 2 жыл бұрын

Same with 30-06 , which is my go to. No need for all these trendy new calibers .

@darrengarcia4937 2 жыл бұрын

Its too easy to spot fudds these days who are upset that the rounds they shoot are becoming obsolescent.

@johnmilner5485 2 жыл бұрын

@@darrengarcia4937 Lol no one is upset over anything . It's simply not cost effective to replace arms / ammunition with the latest Johnny come lately calibers .

@darrengarcia4937 2 жыл бұрын

@@johnmilner5485 it is if the new caliber is better in every way. I can reload any caliber i get myself and make price points irrelevant. If that argument was valid people would still use kentucky rifles and such. 30-06 with modern powders and bullets makes 308 useless now.

@johnmilner5485 2 жыл бұрын

@@darrengarcia4937 You are overlooking the fact that for many people the cost of replacing the platforms themselves are the biggest factor, then take into account ammo , brass , powder , primer shortages as of late . Another thing you overlook is the simple fact of if it works , why fix / change it ? Not many hunters or recreational shooters are going to be making real world long distance shots ,that maybe necessitate a platform / caliber change . Great you like whatever round , others will disagree .

@sinnloserBenutzer Жыл бұрын

Great summary of the .308 Winchester! I like this Cartridge for target shooting and hunting. Low recoil an high efficiency. Here in Germany perfect for the distances we shoot.

@koreykilburn5303 Жыл бұрын

When I was stationed in Germany I got to qualify on the German Military Rifle. I don’t remember it’s name… mid 1990s era. It was a .308 aka 7.62 NATO. I hit 10/10 after a 3 shot grouping to zero. Nice rifle.

@kostoffj Жыл бұрын

@@koreykilburn5303 G3 most likely

@got2kittys Жыл бұрын

I was introduced to 308 by my grandpa, as a boy of 12 in the early 70's. It was excellent then, I'm sure it is still not bottom of the barrel.

@SomeGuy-sj1ly 2 жыл бұрын

It hasnt fallen...its still easily one of my favorite rounds. Definitely one of the most versatile rounds of all time. It can and will and has done everything from feed families to defend homes and nations. I will always have a .308..just wish I had a few hundred...thousand rounds.

@mikes4655 Жыл бұрын

That is all I do shoot!!

@davidwalters1246 Жыл бұрын

>100,000 rounds in the hands of a highly effective marksman? That that's what our last Fourth of July and the Hitler's Fourth Reicht needed...hahaha.

@IDGAF56852 Жыл бұрын

Exactly right. Luckily i stocked up on .308 brass,primers and powder before the planned shortages came into effect.

@SomeGuy-sj1ly Жыл бұрын

@@IDGAF56852 theres never been a bad time to have a bunch of ammo.

@alexistaylor969 Жыл бұрын

Up until a couple years ago you could buy a couple hundred thousand rounds in a pallet delivered to your home for about 17 grand. The ammo got cheaper the more you bought. People were pooling their money and ordering and dividing the pallets. Now you would have to get like 4 friends to spend $3k each for a total of $12k for only 10k rounds, netting you only about 2500 rounds each. That is from Freedom Munitions. It might be cheaper elsewhere, been unable to find a pallet in about 3 years.

@thepiratepenguin4465 3 жыл бұрын

I like the 308, Can use it in the AR platform, the FAL platform & a Bolt action rifle. Great for target, defence & hunting. So taking that into account, the 308 round covers all my needs.

@kevinmcnabb168 2 жыл бұрын

.308 is my favorite round!!!

@aaronwylie6928 2 жыл бұрын

Best all around full power round. Creedmoor is too specialized for long range shooting. Springfield too long.

@brianbumgardner8704 2 жыл бұрын

Along with my .270 Winchester my .308 covers everything I hunt. So, I'll stick with them and move on taking whitetail, pronghorn, mule deer, elk, etc.

@masterxiong7368 2 жыл бұрын

223 and 308 all I need

@theoriginalpauly 2 жыл бұрын

It's good enough at everything and it's easy to come by.

@brianshaffer5090 2 жыл бұрын

If my memory serves me correctly, when the first 308 Winchester's were on the market. They were much closer to the 30-06 because of the powders that were being used in factory loads. And I believe that's what gave it the initial edge over the 30-06 and the rest is history.

@randallkelley3600 2 жыл бұрын

That was my reading. The 308 is shorter, but it has less body taper and a shorter neck, so it doesn't lose as much powder volume as one might think. Plus, powders had improved in the roughly 50 year time frame. So, military loads of the 30-06 and the 7.62x51 were nearly identical. Modern powders and higher pressures give the 30-06 back its advantage, especially with heavier bullets, but if you want to shoot your Garand, you should be using military pressure/velocity loads.

@pyro4squirrel 2 жыл бұрын

Exactly. He completely missed the point with his .308/30-06 comparison. You have to compare original .308 loadings to the standard 30-06 of the time. Very comparable ballistics with noticeably less recoil and a shorter action.

@Idontevenwanachannel 2 жыл бұрын

This, .308 was basically designed to be .30-06 but taking advantage of newer powder tech that .30-06 at the time did not, same/similar ballistics in a smaller package. That advantage disappears when you start loading .30-06 hotter with the same better powder.

@wiley5oh51 Жыл бұрын

The M2 ball from WWII came out the muzzle around 2700fps. That’s right around where the 308 is. So you are correct

@CoolHandLukeVol Жыл бұрын

@@Idontevenwanachannel .308 ballistics are inferior to 30-06 across the board

@GlennHa 2 жыл бұрын

Great overview of the versatile 308. The best advice I was given for reloading the 308 is: "Don't try to make a magnum out of it."

@stevenchanner6101 3 жыл бұрын

I own all 3 riffles 6.5 , 300 , 308 My go to rifle is still my 308 , It's never let me down . That old gun has always been ready to take care of business.

@adamb2619 2 жыл бұрын

Still the only round you can actually find

@joehuff4025 3 жыл бұрын

I’m a 308 man, been shooting it for over 35 years. Really boils down to what you prefer, trigger time is everything!!! If you spend a lifetime perfecting your skill you’ll be proficient with whatever you shoot. I only have access to 1000 yards so I’ve gotten good within that range, I’ve got buddies to take care of the longer stuff! Shoot straight Be safe and enjoy life!!!

@donjennings9034 2 жыл бұрын

The .308 is one of the most consistent rounds out there. I've been using it for years in a model 70 and a Tikka. Put down many a hog with it and I also have 30-30, 30.06, and 300 Win Mag. I started out hunting with a 7mm Mag, switched to that .308 bullet and never looked back. I'm a believer.

@gradyhernandez4699 Жыл бұрын

7mm 08

@donjennings9034 Жыл бұрын

@@gradyhernandez4699 That's a good round, too.

@Tinfoilhat311 3 ай бұрын

I have model 70 in .308 and .300 win mag. Very specific purpose for each one. Just awesome rifles.

@woodsinme 2 жыл бұрын

Really good discussion/comparison. Lots of variables, part of the reason I enjoy the science of ballistics. Mr. Spomer (if I may) I appreciate you sharing your experience and practical knowledge and will continue to check back. Thanks again.

@thealsatian4232 3 жыл бұрын

It may not be the best at anything but it’s awfully good as a deer and hog cartridge.

@nmelkhunter1 3 жыл бұрын

It holds it’s own as an intermediate range elk cartridge with high quality bullets. Of course, high quality bullets are always a good idea on elk.

@thealsatian4232 3 жыл бұрын

@@nmelkhunter1 not many elk in South Texas and I’ve never hunted elk. But I’m certain that you are right.

@Chilly_Billy 3 жыл бұрын

Let's not forget the round In its military uniform, 7.62 NATO. It has made a lot of "good" Communists for about 60 years.

@Sackmatters 3 жыл бұрын

@@nmelkhunter1 It’s a viable moose and bear gun too. Lots of people carry it here in Alaska.

@nmelkhunter1 3 жыл бұрын

@@Chilly_Billy Funny! 😂🤣😂🤣

@minibulten 3 жыл бұрын

I like both 308w and 30-06, but 308 fits me better as a hunter. 1) Shorter barrel (option) 2) Less recoil 3) Cheaper ammunition

@walcott423 3 жыл бұрын

I love 06 As well. I made my compromise for the short action of the .308

@papatorr3669 3 жыл бұрын

WalMart charges same price for 30-06 and 308

@dennishein2812 3 жыл бұрын

The .308 ammo I’ve seen costs more than the 06.

@megabytes6434 3 жыл бұрын

@@dennishein2812 I don’t know where you’ve looked but .308 cost about $.50 a round compared to a $1.20 or so for 30-06

@dennishein2812 3 жыл бұрын

@@megabytes6434 before this pandemic shortage I was getting 06 for $16-18. The .308 was running $21-22.

@bamf0805 Жыл бұрын

.308 is a great ambassador into the shooting community for beginners. Amazing to reload with the amount of pills and data out there. Amazing to learn to manage recoil and adjusting elevation/reading wind. Every rifle manufacturer chambers a firearm for it, and every ammo manufacturer makes it. It's suitable for any game in North America. What's not to love?

@mobius-1503 Жыл бұрын

I love my CTR Tikka 308. Fitted over a KRG bravo, glass a tract toric 20x50. Shoots best At least on mine anyways. 155 Gr match. Thing makes me look like a well seasoned shooter.

@Ouwkackemann 2 жыл бұрын

As a European hunter the .308 Winchester will take down every game coming my way. It is a versatile, every available, great performing, high own accuracy caliber. My go-to-caliber by far.

@jasonpullar109 3 жыл бұрын

I love the barrel life for 308. It does everything I need and more.

@johnisgoodjohnisgreat5449 3 жыл бұрын

.308 arguably has the best barrel life out of most rifle calibers, this is huge in the PRA world 6.5 Creed and 7mm-08 are the only two I know of that rival .308’s barrel life

@boingkster 2 жыл бұрын

Yup. I was looking at a 300 Win Mag until I realised they have a barrel life of around 1000 to 1500 rounds. Factor in an extra dollar per shot I guess!

@JJ_MTB_15 2 жыл бұрын

Barrel length too

@paulie120284 3 жыл бұрын

308 still reminds me of tons of great memories from 15 years ago getting into Milsurp shooting. The old guys down at the local range were all so awesome to me and my friend and helped us so much getting into them.

@wilfredsalacup7810 2 жыл бұрын

I surely learn a lot from this review, keep up the good work sir, there’s no other place to learn other than watching your videos sir, thank you very much

@bacolando 2 жыл бұрын

I love it when they say "let's take a look at _blank_", then show you two different things at the same time without telling you what's what and I'm supposed to know?? Like when u showed the two bullets @3:12. Great, thanks for the bullet picture, awesome, now I know exactly.

@flea-kh7om 3 жыл бұрын

I was a sniper instructor for 45 yrs. I also competed with the .308 for about 50 yrs. I won more TR F-class matches then I can count. I own both the .308 or the Creedmoor lets see where your Creedmoor is in 50 years. I appreciate what you do here. However, you ever laid in the jungle and hunted men? You ever competed against other .308 shooters? Take care, flea

@blainebreak9050 3 жыл бұрын

Nicely done sir

@langleyj8199 3 жыл бұрын

I too have a past military appreciation for my 308.

@palpedersen7515 3 жыл бұрын

The original 6,5 creedmoor is over 100 years old. ;)

@blainebreak9050 3 жыл бұрын

@@palpedersen7515 there is no original. The creedmore is its own cartridge so no, it’s not.

@flea-kh7om 3 жыл бұрын

@@palpedersen7515 Called what? Don't say 6.5x55.

@chilldelsymsteven 3 жыл бұрын

308 is still the most popular round idk how it’s fallen out

@vangb8918 3 жыл бұрын

It depends on the use. In nrl and prs yup blown out of the water. In traditional hunting it is going neck and neck with the 6.5 creedmoor. 308 is still a great round but it is starting to show its grey in the short action game. But still a great round for all around use, for me it is still a soft spot as the barrels last so long. My 6mm creedmoor is blown out after 2 to 2.5k rounds.

@dross8580 3 жыл бұрын

Because spomer says so

@RonSpomerOutdoors 3 жыл бұрын

@Jackson Scott You've got it, Jackson.

@thewizardofcroagz394 3 жыл бұрын

@@RonSpomerOutdoors one day those 308 shells will be currency:-b

@RonSpomerOutdoors 3 жыл бұрын

@@thewizardofcroagz394 That time may already be here!

@TSNOutdoors Жыл бұрын

Fantastic videos!! I’ve been on the couch glued to these for 3 hours this evening! I just wish I’d stumbled on this channel sooner. I’m mostly a bow hunter but love my guns too!

@MichaelSmith-js5wq 2 жыл бұрын

Hey Ron, One thing I didn't hear you talk about is the terminal ballistics. I know, dead is dead! However, I really think that, that is what is important to the hunters, and thus sways a lot of us toward the 308. The heavier projectile delivers more kinetic energy and seems to be a very efficient and ethical means of dropping game. Paper or steel varmints aren't as discriminate in that regard. I know there are a lot of variables in this, but in an apple to apple (as close as you can get) comparison, I still feel the 308 edges out the 6.5 in the most common of hunting applications. Yet, this round, as you said, is still versatile enough to be used for target shooting also. Yeah, it's a little harder and you have to be really on your game to be good, but if you're not in a competition then it makes it challenging and more fun in my opinion. Bragging rights to your range buddies.

@joller805 2 жыл бұрын

In the last 20 some years,I had shot multiple moose and deer in Canada with my Ruger and Tikka in .308 Winchester. Usually, I use Hornady SST 165grain. Great round and almost always available.

@Jeff_Seely 2 жыл бұрын

Each are good reasons to like your 308 hunting rifles. If that round helps you with successful hunts and you are happy with it, then that is the best round period. I think Ron was trying to give a few stats that would help them with all the options. I love the 270 and I think I have good reasons to, for me. What I hunt in Texas is different though😀

@chipsterb4946 2 жыл бұрын

My favorite forum signature of all time was “30 caliber - turning cover into concealment for over 100 years.” Your chart showed over 7% more energy on target at 300 yards compared to 6.5 Creedmoor. More energy, bigger diameter, heavier bullet works well in an awful lot of practical applications. Longer barrel life isn’t a bad characteristic either.

@gpearce11 Жыл бұрын

I honestly think you've just proven my biggest issue with 308. To reword what you said, the 6.5 CM has almost 93% of the energy of the 308 at 300y, with less recoil, The problem with 308 vs 6.5 CM is that the only real advantage of 308 is energy under 500 yards, but I'd argue if you NEED that extra energy then you WANT 30-06, leaving 308 as the middle child between the more accurate and easier to shoot 6.5 CM/260, and more powerful 30-06.

@H43339 Жыл бұрын

@@gpearce11 That is true but unless you have no ethics you should not be shooting at any Big Game Animals Past 500 Yards.

@H43339 Жыл бұрын

@Hfh Yjdkal Are you serious, No one said it can't be done, Just saying it shouldn't be done. And I suppose every Deer you have shot at 600 yards was hit perfectly and dropped in their tracks.

@Alberta19 Жыл бұрын

@@H43339 just needs a man’s gun not a baby 308

@corey8420 Жыл бұрын

@@gpearce11 but the 308 costs half as much to shoot and ammo is always available..so tell me again what the benefit the 6.5 has?

@grazjj 2 жыл бұрын

178-180 grain bullets are very accurate out of my .308 Winchester Savage model 11,consistently 1 MOA or less from a bench. I don’t need to shoot past 300 yards where I hunt and the accuracy of my .308 easily makes that possible if I do my part. I have never seen the need to go to a different cartridge for my needs.

@Ferr1963 2 жыл бұрын

11:20 That wooden boxes are lovely.

@stuporfly3696 3 жыл бұрын

If I remember correctly, the 308 was introduced with an improved powder. Back in the day, the 308 shot the same ballistics as a 30-06 with the old style powder. Same power, but in a smaller package. That’s one of the traits that made it appealing to the military early on. Of course, a 30-06 with new powders will always outperform the 308.

@mytech6779 2 жыл бұрын

That is assuming maximum pressure isn't the limiting factor, if pressure is limiting then then either will have the same energy.

@blaws6684 2 жыл бұрын

Up to 150 yds the ballistics are too similar to decide a difference. A vast majority of deer in the US are killed at less than half that distance

@williamhobbs3745 3 жыл бұрын

308 is efficient when it comes to recoil, powder, and barrel life.

@RonSpomerOutdoors 3 жыл бұрын

That is true, William.

@Dylan_Rivas 3 жыл бұрын

I enjoy the .270, everything from axis deer, Whitetail, Mule deer, some use it for Elk (admittedly I'm not that brave), boar, all types of bear in NA and you are hardly ever hunting past 400yds. Axis deer are relatively soft, so anything .30 will demolish it. Never figured out why .270win is so overlooked.

@mattrickard3716 3 жыл бұрын

@@Dylan_Rivas You are forgetting rabbits. Watch the videos on the AHP(Australian hunting podcast) channel to see the results. I never knew that a rabbit's arse could fly 10 metres away from it's head in such a miniscule period of time.

@Dylan_Rivas 3 жыл бұрын

@@mattrickard3716 damn, the racoons I shot only went about 8 meters 🤣

@Dylan_Rivas 3 жыл бұрын

@@mattrickard3716 and don't get me wrong, hitting racoons 100-110yds out is not easy, and I like to think I'm a good shot. But you have so little room for error on elk and even heard stories of moose being downed. I just can't brave myself to do it 😬

@weebam85 2 жыл бұрын

The main thing between .308 vs 6.5 that hardly anyone talks about is wound channel. At normal hunting ranges the .308 wont dissapoint with good bullets.

@samuelpope7798 Жыл бұрын

The 6.5 won't disappoint at any range. One thing Ron forgot to mention is that where the 308 shines is when it comes to specialty armor piercing and tracer ammunition. 30 cal is way better at that than 6.5 or yikes 22. They're both totally satisfactory out to Ethical hunting ranges. I chose 6.5 because I like to plink a lot with my hunting rifle at stupid long range and the reduced recoil of the 6.5 makes that more fun and keeps me more effective. I've hunted with it in 6.5x55mm form since '74.

@kiwievilbirb4911 Жыл бұрын

@@samuelpope7798 I plan on getting my first rifle in 6,5 since I am going to spend a lot of time at the shooting range. I have shot a lot .308 and I have to say that without silencer it isn't a very enjoyable experience at all. I'd rather have a .223 for practice but then I'd need two guns. One for hunting and one for practicing. the 6,5 seems to be the best compromise

@samuelpope7798 Жыл бұрын

@@kiwievilbirb4911 I've hunted with a 6.5x55mm Sweedish Mauser since the 70s. White tail, mule deer and pronghorn antelope. I really enjoy my 6.5 Creedmoors.. it's basically a 6.5x55mm in short action form. The 6.5x55mm was the only Mauser cartridge that US gun makers produced new riffles for back in the day. There was more interest than there were surplus rifles. I think the only thing that kept it from becoming more popular was lack of affordable US made brass. Unlike most other Mauser cartridges there is really no easy way to reform any US cartridge into 6.5x55mm. Then came all the magnum hype. 6.5 is a Very pleasant shooting gun with still really good barrel life. (I never trust a cartridge that couldn't be practical in an air cooled machine-gun). People underestimate the effect of blast and recoil on marksmanship. I used to compete in NRA high power. I have shot many a 80 round course of fire with M1 Garand and M16 service rifle. We shoot the slow fire prone at 600yds and any way you look at it 308 win and 30-06 are ballistically superior to 223 at that range. That having been said you would only shoot a 30 cal for fun and a 223 if you wanted to be competitive simply because of the reduced blast and recoil.

@johnbodman4504 2 жыл бұрын

Ron I am a member of a thousand yard benchrest club and the most popular round is the 284 winchester which does fit in a short action. It is better in nearly way than a .308. as it holds more powder it has a higher velocity, with a much higher BC. It handles a 180 grain projectile and even up to 195 grains, giving it a huge advantage with its BC. So with a higher velosity and a higher BC it has better wind control and less drop and will beat a .308 any day. It is a very handy load for 1200 yards. the only one advantage the .308 has is a longer barrel life.In my opinion there are many cartridges better than the .308. I have won more competetions with the 300 Weatherby than any other rifle using berger 215 grain projectiles with a BC of .696 which really gets through the wind.

@RonSpomerOutdoors 2 жыл бұрын

The old 284 Win. has been one of my favs. since the late 1980s. So cool to see it flourishing as a long range target round. I use it in an Ultra LIght M20 for mountain hunting.

@danmuffley6418 2 жыл бұрын

Used and loved the 308 for over 30 yrs on Pennsylvania whitetails and some extremely long shots on woodchucks , jumped on the Creedmore bandwagon for a few years and im back to the 308

@AntonGudenus 3 жыл бұрын

An advantage of 308 is also that it tolerates short barrels relatively well and plays nice with suppressors. Hence also why it is currently having a huge resurgence in parts of Europe.

@Chilly_Billy 3 жыл бұрын

That's an issue a lot of people don't consider. The hot sub-.30 caliber rounds are hard on barrels. If you only shoot a box or two of ammo before every hunting season, no big deal. But target shooters and the military, it's a consideration. Note that the U.S. Army's new sniper rifle, the Mk22 ASR based on Barrett's MRAD, is chambered in 3 cartridges: 7.62 NATO, .300 Norma Magnum and .338 Norma Magnum. No 6.5's to be found. That says a lot.

@joshjamesguitar 3 жыл бұрын

@@Chilly_Billy Not really, remember someone high ranked is thinking about the tons of .308 in inventory, them having to adopt 3 new calibers is gonna give them a stroke.

@gsxr1189 3 жыл бұрын

Wrong AntonG 308 has no advantage is in shorter barrels than it's replacement 6.5 Creed. They both loose an average of around 25fps/per inch of barrel loss between 16-26". rifleshooter.com/2016/02/6-5-creedmoor-effect-of-barrel-length-on-velocity-cutting-up-a-creedmoor/ rifleshooter.com/2014/12/308-winchester-7-62x51mm-nato-barrel-length-versus-velocity-28-to-16-5/

@gsxr1189 3 жыл бұрын

@@Chilly_Billy That's a great example of why 308 sucks. The only reason the military's new sniper rifle the Barret MRAD (MK22) comes with a 308 barrel is so new recruits to the sniper training program can learn the fundamentals with a lower recoiling round so they don't develop a flinch and also as a cost saving measure allowing training with a lower cost round than the big magnum cartridges. The MRAD will not actually be fielded in 308. Thus what's literally being said here is that the US Military has determined that within their long range target interdiction program 308 is only good for shooting paper targets. Also notice that US SOCOM has rechambered all their DMR's like the M110 and SCAR 20's from 308 to 6.5 Creedmoor because according to them 6.5 Creed; -cuts wind drift by 40% at ALL ranges -decreases drop by a 1/3 at ALL ranges -increases max range by 1/3rd -by 1000 yards it doubles hit probability -increases energy on target by 30% @ 1000 yards soldiersystems.net/2018/03/23/ussocom-adopts-6-5-cm/

@AntonGudenus 3 жыл бұрын

@@gsxr1189 There was a reason why I wrote "relatively well" and not "the best". 6.5CM unfortunately can not really be a full replacement for 308. More like an evolution geared towards certain applications like long range and medium game hunting. Its standard loads definitely win in BC/SD and therefore loss of speed at distance and wind deflection. But it falls short in muzzle energy (a delta of close to 600 J) and caliber. So for hunting chamois in the alps a 6.5CM would be close to ideal. But for hunting stag or wild boar, a 6.5CM would be on the anaemic side not to say outright illegal in some places (due to common 7mm minimum caliber requirements for these species). So I was mostly comparing the .308 to other common cartridges common in Europe like 300WM, 7x64, 8x57, 30-06 and 270.

@joekrichten9208 2 жыл бұрын

I have an A-10 in 308 and it is one of my favorite rifles. I feel confident anything that threatens my life or family will easily be handled by the 308 from 350 yards and in. Good enough for me.

@Bobbysoxer2 2 жыл бұрын

Back in the 1960's, we could buy surplus 308 at the flea market nearby. A 100 round belt ran $7, yes, seven dollars!!!! Every fifth round was a tracer. As a HS teen, that fit my limited budget, so my first rifle was a 308 caliber. Boy did we have fun with that stuff in the old strip mines in PA!!!

@curonianvikingidontcare 3 жыл бұрын

One of the most used hunting rounds in Canada, and we have all the large game! Hasn’t fallen and I love my 308 Winchester! Like any caliber ammunition and rifle quality, it goes from good to great!

@rc3151 3 жыл бұрын

Lots of 303 british in canada 🇨🇦 too very similar i hear.

@wilhelmvo6399 3 жыл бұрын

I love my .308 it's great low recoil plenty powerful and accurate at an ethical distance

@luloadventure Жыл бұрын

I did discover your Channel, and I love how you talk and explain about every subject. Thank you so much Ron.

@oldfatnugly Жыл бұрын

Spot on take. I have never been disappointed with it as a deer round.

@murrayandru7527 2 жыл бұрын

The cartridge has inspired a few different rounds as well , .243 , .260 , .7 mm-08, .338 , .358 . It works for me , I'm sticking to it ! Thanks for sharing the video.

@beaverwithachainsaw 3 жыл бұрын

The .308 shines around here.

@lesregnerus6586 2 жыл бұрын

I am a die hard squirrel hunter ,for 55 years now a a fan of ACCURATE rimfire rifles, but I find Ron Spoomer videos extremely interesting.

@robertdavis9246 2 жыл бұрын

Been hunting ( and dropping deer)) with my Winchester .308 bolt action for many years. Can”t imagine ever wanting any other rifle and caliber.

@edwardsmith9801 3 жыл бұрын

308 is & always has been my favorite round.

@ResentedMarcus 3 жыл бұрын

It's just the jack of all trades: moderate recoil, decent accuracy at medium range and plentyful. There are cartriges that are better on paper but sometimes just not enough to take its place. I never hunt any further than 300 meters so it's plenty powerful and easily predictable, it just works and the difference with the 6.5 is still negligeble. I guess it's just a matter of application, but whatever you need, .308 winchester is going to do its best.

@keithlucas6260 3 жыл бұрын

I usually do my "hunting" at 1,760 yards or more.....my .177 "pellet rifle's" effect range. Anything past 3,520 and I have to switch to a drone strike.......

@austindenotter19 3 жыл бұрын

I agree. Best all around cartridge out there.

@johnnypranin5874 2 жыл бұрын

Finest rifle shooting I've done so far was with a friend's Remington 700 in .308. Though we didn't shoot .308s out of it. Rather, we shot Sierra Matchking 175 grain 7.62x51mm loads. With these loads, we each put 4 rounds in a 1 and 3/4 inch group at 100 yards.

@jasonkilgore1977 Жыл бұрын

I love my 308 Winchester and personally for me it’s the perfect deer and bear rifle. I however do not normally shoot more than 200 yards. So in reality a 30-30 is good enough in my neck of the woods. I have seen in my area that 308 ammo is more available during these times of availability issues.

$@fracken1441$

@fracken1441 3 жыл бұрын

I always enjoyed beating the 6.5 guys with my outdated .308 at the F-class matches.

@stevejones1488 3 жыл бұрын

Oh man that must burn like salt in a wound 🤣🤣🤣

@justinlance4174 3 жыл бұрын

6.5 and 6mm dominate f class. But to each is there own. But 308 used to be the eveybody cartridge. Now people are finding different calibers. Not that 308 aint great. But its far from the only option.

@joshjamesguitar 3 жыл бұрын

You're only beating bad shooters, what are the people using who are beating you?

@joedragaux8695 3 жыл бұрын

They must be terrible at shooting lol

@614XJ 2 жыл бұрын

.408 Cheytac has entered.

@funnybusinessinvestigator1245 3 жыл бұрын

Size isn't everything Ron. My girlfriend said so.

@oneshothunter9877 3 жыл бұрын

😁👍

@trevorphillips4595 3 жыл бұрын

women often mean the opposite ;-)

@geraldswain3259 3 жыл бұрын

That's why she has a lover ! .

@RiderOftheNorth1968 3 жыл бұрын

Yeah i know, she says that to everybody.... (JK)

@Plainsimple67 3 жыл бұрын

@@geraldswain3259 😂

@haqueash Жыл бұрын

one thing science cannot judge is the "fun" factor, and boy oh boy, correct me wrong. NOTHING and i repeat NOTHING will take the feel of .308 from me. It was my first big game round i used and man, it was the perfect balance of power, sound, and recoil. Its just such a fun round to shoot. It's like your first girl friend, you will find many more better than your first, but boy, you will never forget your first. It's just how it is. I will always love and shoot the .308. I just love it.

@mikedurant6146 Жыл бұрын

Had a m14 in army, serial 987456 great rifle, never let me down even in rain or mud, still shoots.

@armes3436 3 жыл бұрын

Kind of reminds me of talking about Tom Brady, isnt the fastest, strongest, or even has the best arm but look what he has accomplished!! Go 308!!

@eac1235 3 жыл бұрын

The .308 never cheated or had an organization make sure of its sucess 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣😍😍

@pittsburghatecore 3 жыл бұрын

I’ve never had a deer duck my 308. It’s fast enough for Pennsylvania foothills.

@Mark-uq9km 3 жыл бұрын

I love those PA foothills.

@LuvBorderCollies 3 жыл бұрын

Works great out on the wide open prairies!!

@ditchdigger93 3 жыл бұрын

I've seen about fifty deer drop in front of my old 88 Winchester, some at stupid long ranges and I've NEVER lost a deer or spent half a day looking for one. My dad shot a Marlin 336 30-30 his whole life and we spent a LOT of time looking for his deer that fell to good solid hits and ran a quarter of a mile. Had nothing to do with shot placement and everything to do with effectiveness and lack of shock. Many of his torn up much worse than mine, but just refused to die on the spot. I had a friend fill three deer tags at once with his AR 10 at a little over four hundred yards a few years ago, two big does and a yearling. Both does went about fifty yards and the yearling fell where it stood. Not quite ready to trade my .308 off yet for one of the new Wondereens.

@Mark-uq9km 3 жыл бұрын

@@ditchdigger93 It would be wonderful if the 88 made a comeback a long with the Savage 99 in .308 or even .358 Win. The magazines allows the spire tips which is great. I love the .35 calibers, having shot a .35 Rem in Marlin 336 for years. Deer are DRT. To each their own. I don't criticize others for their favorite rifles or rounds and I wish the 6.5 Creedmore Crowd would extend the same courtesy to us old fashioned deplorables.

@ditchdigger93 3 жыл бұрын

@@Mark-uq9km I hate to date myself but the Modell 88 I bought now is now a collectors item. It still works as good as the day I brought it home. I've was given a bunch of .358 Win. brass and bullets one time and I've yet to find anyone who owns one or even another .35 cal rifle that they could use the bullets in. The Model 88 was advertised as a Lever actuated bolt action rifle as it uses a turn bolt design and it is stronger than Hulk Hogan. It is a fine old rifle.

@JacopoSkydweller Жыл бұрын

Just found your channel the other day, LOVE your style, super easy to listen to at work. I've got an elk hunt on Saturday, but I'm interested in learning more about cartridge science and getting into reloading for some long range hunting and target shooting. 308 Savage Axis with a Boyd At1 adjustable stock, fixed 6x power scope, bipod and a sling, works just fine, 1MOA or slightly less all day. You ought to consider narrating audio books, specifically westerns or biographies, great voice.

@JohnDoe-ud2cc 2 жыл бұрын

308 is right in the middle of rifle rounds, that’s why it is so good and loved. If you lined up every rifle round there is and averaged effectiveness, accuracy, recoil, distance, energy, size, and capabilities; the 308 is what you will land on. It’s not the best at anything, but it is the best jack of all needs.

@atomicwedgie8176 2 жыл бұрын

Sorry too hear about your sister, Jane.

@malachiwhite356 2 жыл бұрын

You got it Doe.

@ferrucciomazzon1927 Жыл бұрын

Hello ,! I Am writing from Italy-. Used 308 cartridge since 1980 for 300 formal matches , prone kneeling and standing. Weapons two winchester 70 rebarrelled bu Hart. Groups with Sierra bullets 155 grains with a velocity 840 meters/ second. Grouping shot prone with sling 2,5 centimeters. In E europe supplanted the venerable 6.5 x 55. My remington 700 used for hunting groups 9 millimeters at 200 meters with Sierra Gameking 165 grains. A REAL WARHORSE

@vinceblasco 3 жыл бұрын

Randy Newberg shoots the 308 almost exclusively and has brought down TONS of elk at all distances.

@LuvBorderCollies 3 жыл бұрын

I know a guy who grew up by Jackson Hole WY. Started hunting elk at age 14 and now he's late 60s. He's used the .308 Win with 150gr to get an elk every season. I've used 30-06 and it didn't drop big thick bodied mulies any faster or deader than .308. Yeh, the .308 Win is my go-to big game. Certainly beats a .243 Win for grizzly (true story) which some geezer in AK claimed. I don't even like 243 for deer, bad experiences.

@jameswinkler5201 3 жыл бұрын

@@LuvBorderCollies no he pretty much has gone to the 7mm08 ..same cartridge just brought down to 7 mm it's a great caliber as well it's what I've gone to , but still a fan of 308 too

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@donaldbougie694 3 жыл бұрын

Yes,you have reason Randy shoot only with a 308.Yes a TONS of elk.

@geoffreyjones2000 3 жыл бұрын

Fall of the 308 ... maybe when I perfect my phase plasma rifle, sir

@yadidimeanmaine 3 жыл бұрын

Hey, only what you see pal.

@noamjnhbgvfcdxs5698 3 жыл бұрын

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@mikolajorzechowski2423 Жыл бұрын

i love rons videos. he's a great speaker

@hkschubert9938 2 жыл бұрын

Fantastic history about the 308 thank you!

@jarkkopuusaari8955 2 жыл бұрын

Thanks Ron for another great speach! .308 win is a great cartridge. Of course I have one Tikka m595 .308win. It's the most popular caliber here in Finland. More moose are shot with it than any other caliber. Even though... I call it a mouse rifle. Yes, it is sufficient for moose with correct shot placement, but bigger ones give a bit more space for human error. I mainly use it for target practice and bird hunts. Basically, if you would own only one rifle, .308 win would be it. Period. Reasons are said by Ron on the video.

@urwholefamilydied 2 жыл бұрын

you shoot birds with .308???? Do they explode???

@kyle18934 Жыл бұрын

@@urwholefamilydied imagine pigeon hunting with a .308... you would know if you hit. it would just be fine red must with grey and white feathers everywhere lol.

@ronniefarnsworth6465 3 жыл бұрын

Lol, The 7.62x51mm (.308 Win) will be around "Forever" !!! My favorite cartridge, you can load so many ways ! Love it : )

@RonSpomerOutdoors 3 жыл бұрын

Classic

@sealsrx7252 3 жыл бұрын

AKA 7.62 NATO as well

@ronniefarnsworth6465 3 жыл бұрын

@@sealsrx7252 Lol, you know that's the same !! : )

@dissy5563 Жыл бұрын

I love these arguments, very entertaining.

@theaustinfamily555 Жыл бұрын

I’m a 30-06 guy and I down load them as needed. Never saw a need for the 308 Love your videos

@Agueybana55 3 жыл бұрын

I will hold on to my 308 they been good to me. Awesome versatile Caliber.

@RonSpomerOutdoors 3 жыл бұрын

Definitely. Notice that in this video I never told anyone to get rid of his or her 308 Win. I might sometimes suggest folks add to the collection, but never subtract.

@37greenfox 3 жыл бұрын

@@RonSpomerOutdoors I appreciate you listing the pros and cons of the 308 but I think it's the round in the middle of the pack so many rounds will do better than it but some arnt as good as it, funny how the 308 cult freaks out over any little bit of criticism towards it. I wish people would thank modern cartridges for helping the 308 rather than them complaining there average cartridges just isn't the best anymore but I dont think was the best ever. But thank you for just trying to shed so light on this cartridge. Hope you have a good day.

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@marvinamos7532 3 жыл бұрын

The .308 has been and will always be the best all around cartridge in the country. It ain't going no where.

@mmccarthy9458 2 жыл бұрын

Its pretty amazing when you can buy an AR 10 with scope, bipod, and good accessories for $1500 and shoot 1 to 1.5 MOA. Its kind of hard to beat that combination.

@DAVIDMILLER-nc9vo 2 жыл бұрын

Americans are great tinkerers. We play around with motors, engines, cars, firearms and cartridges, AND THEIR BULLETS. We like to see how much we can "improve" an "over the counter" item. At some point the enhancement of any item is so far advanced from the original that any improvement will come at great expense that leads to a very small improvement. The .308 diameter cartridge is at that point. And it's not optimum in a .308 inch Winchester or 7.62mm rifle. It's length, weight and ballistic coefficient has increased so much that the .308 diameter bullet is better suited for a .308 Winchester Magnum and other cases with more power to drive that longer and heaver bullet. The .308 Winchester is "maxed out". Another good video by Ron Spomer.

@marcomalo02 3 жыл бұрын

This is like the argument on how many angels can dance on the head of a pin. The .308 is a perfect round for 99.99% of needs.

@RonSpomerOutdoors 3 жыл бұрын

Not quite, marc, because we don't take dancing angels elk hunting. Differences in drop drift, and downrange energy may not matter to the deer or elk fairly hit, but it sometimes matters to the shooter directing the traffic. Even more so target shooters. Anyway, it's just physics, just information for anyone to take or leave as he/she sees fit. I shoot them all.

@marcomalo02 3 жыл бұрын

@@RonSpomerOutdoors I was speaking in hyperbole. The issue you have raised is a good example of (speaking of physics) perfect being the enemy of the achievable. The 308 is proven to be the best solution for Average Joe because it serves his needs...which rarely requires a head shot at 1000 yards. I see these discussions on youtube often wherein an individual speaks from a somewhat academic position which includes essentially unlimited resources, ie being able to select THE perfect tool to achieve success. The audience, however, lacks those resources and is mainly concerned with knocking down a whitetail within 100 yards. I'm not arguing ballistics, just practical needs and getting the job done.

@lizchatfield692 3 жыл бұрын

@@marcomalo02 It up meat on out table many times .

@marcomalo02 3 жыл бұрын

@@lizchatfield692 It's put meat on many tables. That is the point. If I could choose only one high velocity rifle it would be .308.

@gsxr1189 3 жыл бұрын

@@marcomalo02 The point is that 308 is no longer in it's prime. 70 year old technology has it's drawbacks and 308's performance is no longer competitive against modern calibers in it's class. Just like America's favorite caliber the 30-30 was replaced by the 30.06 and then the 308. Now the 6.5 Creed is here to take the thrown because 308 is slowly falling out of favor.

@edwarddesoignie1396 3 жыл бұрын

I question the title of the video. The .308 Win., the 30-06, the .270 Win., the .243 Win. are all still doing quite well.

@beardedbowhunter6139 2 жыл бұрын

Click bait and it hooked alot of us lol

@RandyBeretta-db5bg 10 ай бұрын

Love everything about it.!!! You can find it anywhere on the planet.!!! 💥NATO Round💥

@stanpersful4723 Жыл бұрын

Well before the creedmore, my brother won national army sniper 3 years straight with his .308 in late 70s early 80s and got that huge silver cup. If I remember right he had a Seiko bolt action with a manlicher stock. He always touted about how he could load rounds to be more accurate with it than any other caliber. I always loved the .308 because it was always easy to find ammo.

@sinisterthoughts2896 Жыл бұрын

you just explained familiarity.

@GreenKnight1979 3 жыл бұрын

Hey Ron, the Imperial Japanese Army went from a 6.5 to a 7.7 cartridge mid war for a reason.

@thejackal5099 3 жыл бұрын

I think it's more to do with the machine guns which are typically used at greater ranges than the infantry rifles are and the 6.5 just fell short. Keep in mind the 6.5 Japanese wasn't 6.5 Creedmore.

@jic1 3 жыл бұрын

Actually the Japanese introduced the 7.7 rifle round in 1939, they just never fully switched over before the end of the war.

@jasonpoche4615 3 жыл бұрын

I use my Browning .308 most of the time because most of the time i'm hunting whitetail deer at 300 or less yards per shot. Most shots under 100 yards. When I do hunt bigger game and or longer range shots I have my Browning 300 Win Mag.

@sms9106 Жыл бұрын

What a great story teller, love listening.

@philwalter1655 Жыл бұрын

Hi Ron I have been shooting the 308 from when i first got my AR10 and since then a few target and hunting rifles since we haf our autos taken off us in 1996 I love the balistics and i load from 110gn to 170gn projectiles for various game here jn Australia Love theshow