@@airinavasquez4164 we don't know.. and i think it's best if we don't. like san said : they probably don't know any better. i hate to think those rookies are disrespectful **only** to ateez but .. i don't want to accidentally incriminate innocent rookies just so we can have someone to blame.. so it's best not to dwell on it but just keep in our minds that some rookies are,, not the best behind the camera ^^;;

@@airinavasquez4164 they didn't mention and probably on purpose they didn't. Those who are impolite will have their own karma get back at them. Ateez are always Humble and kindness and that's why they are so well respected and admired by so many.

hiii just wanted to clarify - It was said with formal language, just informal tone :)

Where is this from ?

@@darennn133 here : kzfaq.info/get/bejne/abija8WktLXYj58.html

that seems like a genuine death threat 😂

LMAO

Frr

😂😂😂😂

Rubbing my hands together fast and all that like "IM SORRY" 💀😭

This

Yeah and Chan said that to one of his lives ☹ it makes me more curious who are those hoobaes they are mentioning ...

@@corgibun7382 for example wonyoung. She never bows properly to anybody. Someone needs to give her a reality check.

I want to know who they are 🙂

Woah I am a universe but didn't know that Can u elaborate on it? Appreciate that

But why do I find him so sexy when he's angry! Something is wrong with me

@@hwa_is_my_wifey765 he's sexy too >.

Yeah he really is

Yeah. The brightest and the kindest tend to be the scariest. Noticed it in my friend group+social circle too 😆

@@chenai8372 hahaha

There's a girl group that's been coming up often in this issue

@@cinny_ I think I know which one you're talking about. Ive?

@@icajunwoo Yeah

​@@cinny_ And what have they done exactly?

@@cinny_ I knew it. They keep popping up whenever this issue is brought up but I'm just not sure if it's true or just being framed. Better not pass judgement yet

what did BTS say about it?

​@@nnn9854Exactly the same thing I want to ask.

​@@nnn9854 they didn't bow to jhope or bts

​@@nnn9854 same, I never saw BTS being vocal about such issue 🤔

It's because of the fans. Nowadays, these new kids are getting popular even in their trainee period, so they dont really consider debuting as that big a deal. If the group doesn't work, they can just leave the group, join another company/group/go solo etc etc. They dont feel the need to be respectful like their seniors did, because they dont depend on it for their work. Same with fans. Fans are too entitled these days, and act like their idols (even if they debuted 2 weeks ago) are veteran seniors and make excuses for them being desrespectful.... I saw one video where a 4Gen female mc wasnt bowing to the seniors like Btob and MonstaX and the fan comments were like "oh, she has a back ache from practicing too hard, so she cant bow" wtf?!

Yeah, you can tell he was raised to be really kind and respectful and he gets very upset when people don't treat others well

This conversation made me think of that video. Ateez, Stray Kids and TXT should all be respected for their seniority and all the hard work they've done.

Just a small correction, nct is actually a 3rd gen group since they debuted in 2016

**this is only for the video you mentioned at the end, i saw another pov and the girls really did bow to TXT members, and some of them even bowed more than twice. it was all just evil editing in the end :( but i’m glad the real story ended well

​@@tyunniez right

don't mind me im just here vibing with the fact that TXT is considered a senior 4th gen boy group now. back then they were literal babies, especially their youngest. let me quickly collect myself from my emotions.

funny bc he's the youngest in his family 😂

Yep, they are. And I remember San telling them to always be kind, humble, and polite to everyone, especially staff. Our boys have amazing role models in their older brothers, Ateez. 😊

I wonder if it's the same group

@@creamsushi4912 he didn't mention any particular group as much as I remember.

Yea.. and?

​@@none2428And its disrespectful

and im sad Chan had to apologized for that comment..

Exactly

Rome's change and so do people maybe it's time for some change in our culture too and hopefully the younger generation is able to achieve that.

​@@Shaytan.666in Korea, respect is the most important and they had been taught about ethics and manner from when they were younger and until now. Perhaps in some country, nodding head is already enough to show respect but in Korea it's actually quiet disrespectful. In my opinion, I prefer to keep it this way cause manners are important. It doesn't matter what you status are, manners is needed. Yet at the same time, senior also doesn't have the right to abuse their power on junior. I hope it can be mutual. Show respect to elders and they will care for u as equally. No hate or remorse though. Just wanna give my opinion

When did it happen?

There is a clip of them during election season posing for photos and San and Mingi putting up peace signs. Hwa grabbed Mingi’s hand to put it down but Yunho went Asian mum glare on San and he instantly got the message.

​@@hiddlespearean oh yeah, i heard that's actually because during the political voting time you're not supposed to put down any numbers but that's innuendo to which party you're voting for or whatever right? Well, i don't think that Has anything to do with respect it's just so they don't get politics involved with their group lol.

@@tojislefttoe7505 yes, the reason why they weren’t allowed to indicate numbers like the two fingered peace sign was to stay non political, the instantaneous reaction to the glare is what’s interesting about the yunsan dynamic.we see it with Mingi too, just a hint of a look and instant back down, but Mingi is just sweet that way. I’ve seen him do it mildly to Jongho and Wooyoung too, and they back down although not as dramatically

Ateez have all said that all of them are equally scary when they are mad. There's no one who is less scary or more scary; they're just all scary.

I was just about to say that thank you for mentioning! and yes it was Chan who said that in his live ig?

i don't know what to say, maybe if we show the good example those young idols also will follow the good example. idols these days there some of them can be really rude to their senior, to them not show respect to their senior is not a big things.

Yeap. Bang Chan said that. They're not even bowing to their sunbae.

the era is changing slowly, tbh in the future the bowing system might not be a thing anymore. The concept of being respectful itself is slowly fading.

@@airinavasquez4164 whenever someone say "these people are xxx", of course it doesn't mean everyone is like that. Just like how some people say "men are the same" doesn't necessarily mean every single men is the same. But what i meant by original comment was not only for idols but also for the younger generation kids nowadays.

exactly ppl need to understand that its part of our asian culture to respect our elders and thats no matter what asian country u go to.

That’s also toxic though. Have you been to Korea? Seniors constantly bully and abuse their hoobaes because they know they won’t retaliate or say something out of fear. This is especially prevalent in the work force where managers and supervisors abuse their power and harass the younger or new employees. This probably happens in the kpop industry too.

​@@getem7640 But its not all of them. Stop putting words and actions into peoples mouths/body. Some juniors abuse their power also but the seniors and idols we know are humble and respectful. Stop trying to say that all seniors are bad, and if they were juniors and staff would speak out about it like T-ARA.

@@idkwhyiexist. where did I say all? It’s the same way where not all juniors are disrespectful. It goes both ways. I’m speaking from experience when I actually lived in Korea. Have you ever even set foot in Korea? I doubt it based from your response. Maybe you should go and live there to actually experience the hierarchy in the work force.

@Get Em! you think I could live there? I'm black, and I've heard from MANY experiences that they like people with lighter skin tones and that they treat foreigners differently. Also, you always comment something on seniors, and yes, it can go both ways, but still, everyone should be treated fairly, which means respect comes into play. People are nice, but they only come into being mean and abusing their power when the environment they grew in or had been in affects them. Don't use your Korea experience against anyone bc yours is different from anyone else. I don't know your ethnicity, so idk what your experience has been.

True, but I like that Jungho said it was an exaggeration 😂 like ‘you know how old people exaggerate; my hyungs are old and I’m still young’

It not that deep, my god there are worse problems in the world than some juniors not bowing down or speaking informal to you.

I agree. GMRC is lost.

For real

I think they do they just don’t believe in age based hierarchy.

Yeah no, respect goes both ways. Older generations think they are entitled to respect but treat the younger generations like trash.

​​@@getem7640 If an older idol bows to a rookie and he doesn't bow back, it's simply disrespectful

Idols Now A Days Really Think Just Because They’re Idols They Don’t Need Manners! But Sucks For Them Senior Idols Won’t Have That

Did Bts mentioned this too? Its just hard to believe that juniors would not respect them though

Wooyoung talking informally to Seonghwa isn't the same as a junior talking disrespectfully to a ATEEZ a senior group. Woo and Hwa are close almost like brothers and it shows their bond because both are that comfortable. In professional setting though, if a junior is being impolite to a senior it means they're arrogant and think they're better than other. In Asian culture, you can't talk impolitely to strangers, acquaintances at all. It's considered rude and disrespectful.

@@auroraa1024, come on. Don't take things too far, so what if Woo and Hwa is really close and know each others really long and their bond like a brothers, did Woo can treat or speak to Hwa without show a respect?? It happen many times but everyone never say anything, just ignore and always defend Woo, but when someone else being rude to Ateez, everyone will try so hard to being protective. It doesn't matter whether if you're junior, senior, younger, older, big brother, big sister or little brother and little sister, being polite, respectful is really important, if you hate people being rude to you, don't be rude to others.

@@airinavasquez4164 it's not being protective omg it's literally how our culture is 😭 i talk to my elder brother and cousins exactly the same way as wooyoung talks to Seonghwa and they're older than seonghwa when I'm the same age as Woo. If you don't understand how it works don't speak about it please. It's not being disrespectful when the elder siblings/friends are close.

@@airinavasquez4164 if that younger one is close to me i would not mind. We will infact tell them to be comfortable and that there's isn't any need to speak in jongdaemal anymore. It doesn't mean they don't respect me or are being rude. It just means that there's no need of formalities between us anymore. They can tease each other and have fun as long as the other person is fine with it. There's a lot of nuances that it's hard to understand.

Are you Korean or Asian?

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Bro he was scared/afraid imagine being an idol and going in the practice/studio room seeing a stranger sleeping there💀

​@@yixiaozhu it wasn't a stranger. He was he was one of the trainees. He just thought he was slacking when he was just sick. Simple misunderstanding.

@@meanqueen0024 yeah but he could've told a manager that he was sick not to scade Wooyoung like this

@@yixiaozhu Dude, it was a joke. Relax

there's a very clear line between treating a senior with respect vs treating a friend with respect. you don't speak to a senior you met for the first time in the casual manner they did. i think we know well that ateez won't abuse their power.. in the interview they said they don't wanna make people feel intimidated, but be a cool senior. im asian too and tbh i don't take it seriously, but the point of this show was to be 'kkonddae'. these members put value on things that may seem old fashioned, but it's important to them.. it's sad how in kpop, a sideway place can get you called rude, but being mindful of what you say, how you say it and who you say it to, is important.

THIS

@@lifeisyuyu Can you confidently say you know them so well, so personally that ateez never would? Cuz what they show us on camera is what they want us to see vs the real them behind closed doors. Kpop fans have got quit living in delusion.

​@@NoirN3rd idk ateez personally. ofc they have personas. they’re in an entertainment industry. theyre not gonna let down all walls. but they don't lie about who they are as people "for camera show” ateez are human and everyone will make mistakes, but why do you feel so inclined to accept any malicious assumption? what proof do **you** have to be this suspicious that they’ll abuse their positions.? here’s how we know of ateez when the cameras are off, if you even care to read : ateez have juniors whom they adore, monitoring their dance + vocals + writing. and often helping calm their anxieties of debut, bc ateez had no one to help them. those juniors look up to ateez as role models and brothers. ateez's managers make them friendship bracelets, even visit their family homes and parent's restaurants. hongjoong broke down on stage bc he felt guilty for when the staff were blamed for anything wrong. san is often named the most polite idol by external staff. yeosang is praised for the same after his years as The Show mc. whenever ateez have a comeback, the stage staff praise them for always remembering to thank them, bc the extent ateez do it is very rare. yeosang’s schoolmates have told us "pls rest assured that you're supporting a good person!" and shared so many stories of him being so pure hearted that "he will easily get swindled” jongho is always praise for how polite he is to seniors. though he can’t open up easily, he can speak for hours about music,, and finds so much comfort in how he learnt to build connections with that. san's father (who works with disabled elderly and is more famous than san in their town) is **very** strict, but his only rule to allow san to be an idol was he mustn’t chase fame and stay grounded. yunho was known as the cafeteria oppa, buying snacks for anyone who looked sad. he’d even go to mingi's school (before they were even in the same company) to eat with him since mingi's friends would leave him. hongjoong dedicated ‘thank u’ to seonghwa for always being there for him during their struggles. the lyrics include “maybe i’ve been doing alright… and the proof is you ..” wooyoung’s mum told him he could fail in school but to never lose his character. he often says "if you want to know what kind of person i am, just look at my friends..” san subtly shut down anti-feminists attacking a female athletic... hongjoong has supported causes for underprivileged children right from debut, and donates in the name of atiny. the list is endless.. kpop didn't make me delusional. ik all the realities of this industry. but i choose to believe the actions i see + the words i hear from ppl who **actually** know ateez. meanwhile, you already have a preconceived thought that everything is problematic, and seep in constant negativity. why are you even here if you hate it so much?

This I’m Asian and the elders know that we need to respect them no matter what so SOME of them try to use that as an advantages and its really disgust me.

And only Chan got so much hate for this that he had to apologize.

Let's not witch hunt any groups, Ateez purposely didn't name anyone for that reason. It should be enough for us to learn that they experience auch issues and acknowledged it. But never make any assumptions.

@@skxmynelooks like you don’t realize Stays the one make him apologized because y’ll behavior

@@Wonyouwng Or maybe it was people from your fandom calling him pr*dator, gr00mer , attention seeker & what not. so, no ! Seems like it's a you problem 🤔

Because SM is one of the top kpop companies. They have to keep a good reputation.

Love that you threw kihyun in there😆

@YoU kNow whAt elsE iS biG TNX members🙃

It can be lol

It's probably a good amount of newer 4th gens. Many older 4th gens and older gens is experiencing theis with the rookies.

And they won't be lying if they are lol.

honestly I don’t think a girl group would greet senior male idols like that

@@foolcoooym1425 watch minji from new jeans she did.

Kpop groups are not made in a day or two. Trainees receive constant vocal, dance, and etiquette training. Whether you are a foreigner or a Korean, there are people who behave so badly even if they receive the same education.

​@@jennyyy6283yeah you have a point.

@@24caratiny32 newjeans are the sweetest cuties.

​@@24caratiny32newjeans are literally always at 45° bow greeting their peer regardless of the age.

But I don't think they did it on purpose

yes, he did approximately say that in korean, but it was very obviously in a joking tone, imitating what a stereotypical "boomer" would say .. like "ugh back in our day - 😤" wooyoung values respect when you're addressing someone with more experience or knowledge , but he was being jokey-jokey dw he adores his juniors ^^