Everytime the Longmoor Military Railway is mentioned I get sad, it should never have closed.
@obelic712 ай бұрын
WD73755 the 2-10-0 version of the 2-8-0 is called Longmoor and is preserved as a static display in the Dutch national railway museum. the 2-10-0 version had 1 axle more for a lighter axle load then the 2-8-0 and was further identical to the 2-8-0's those 2 WD classes were heavily used by the Dutch national railways in mostly heavy coal trains. Almost all surviving 2-10-0's (103 of 150 build) nickname "jeeps" were bought by the NS from the WD. All remaining 2-8-0's on the continent of Europe (184) 'little jeeps" were also aquired. That made the Dutch national railways the biggest (2-10-0) and big (2-8-0) operator of the 2 classes after the WD years.
@robertbalazslorincz82182 ай бұрын
Smoke in my eyes, soot in me' hair, cinders in my shoes I'm watching the needle fallin' away and singing the *WD* Blues
@rastewart1002 ай бұрын
Well, we're running late in the sorry state on 90733, Shes overdue for boiler work and I can't get her to steam
@terrier_productionsАй бұрын
@@rastewart100 with a thousand tonnes of tank behind and the tender full of slag
@bussesandtrains1218Ай бұрын
@@terrier_productionsme mate sent me to Coventry and he just won't answer back
@marklelohe3754Ай бұрын
Excellent as usual. Thank you for reminding us of our selflessness in those days, helping to get an ungrateful Europe back on its feet.
@dominicbarden44362 ай бұрын
LMR no. 600 'Gordon' is no longer owned by the Army; ownership of the loco was formally transferred to the Severn Valley Railway in 2008.
@DanielChannel572 ай бұрын
There's an interesting story involving a WD 2-8-0 on the Somerset & Dorset Railway in January 1959. Story goes that when the Western Region gained control of the S&D, they started looking for a suitable replacement for the old 7F 2-8-0s. They first tested WD no. 90125 on the 11am down goods(consisting of mostly unfitted wagons) to Evercreech Junction. Long story short, the WD's braking power was woefully unsuitable for the steep grades that the S&D was known for. The train ran away, and even with the six vacuum-fitted vans added, it was a harrowing downhill ride and they were just barely able to stop the train. As a result, the test was declared a failure and the WDs were never seen again on the S&D; their braking power just could not compare to the good old 7Fs.
@tulyar10432 ай бұрын
The S&D 7f 2-8-0s had ferrodo brake shoes which enabled them to keep the trains they hauled under control. Plus the use of 20ton brake vans. The WD 2-8-0s only had cast metal brake shoes which proved at times to cause problems and not only on the S&D.
@DanielChannel572 ай бұрын
@@tulyar1043 Exactly, the 7Fs were tailor-made for the S&D, while the WDs weren't.
@stephendavies6949Ай бұрын
The 7F was a beast. I rode behind one on the North Norfolk Railway a couple of weeks ago.
@bambostarla6259Ай бұрын
That is because the 7f's were a niche locomotive build EXACTLY for the sdjr. They were fitted with brakes suited specifically for the gradients that the line presented, besides being very strong locomotives by british standards.
@1951GL2 ай бұрын
As a spotter in the early 60s the 2-8-0s were seen all over the North West and on the old Lancashire & Yorkshire routes. A driver at Wakefield depot told me, without being asked (!) back in 1965, "there's nowt wrong wi' these lad. Hit um wit'th'ammer they'll go." Excellent, as usual, Ruairidh.
@stephencope7178Ай бұрын
Although basic, I was told by an ex fireman that the 2-8-0 austerity loco was a good steamer and rode well too.
@KivetonandrewАй бұрын
I remember these loco pulling fast freights down the Midland "Old Road" through Woodhouse Mill and Beighton on the Yorkshire Derbyshire boundary. They could be heard clanking all the way along the Rother Valley way before they actually passed. Always filthy and numbers sometimes unreadable. One particular loco passing through had the name Flying Emma chalked on the tender. All these years later, I have never lost the memory of hearing their clanking.
@alanjones4622Ай бұрын
I remember the old "Dub Ds" as we called them when I was a boy in the late 1950´s. I saw these locomotives regularly on the main line which comes out of Hull and goes in the direction of Goole. They always looked uncared for, scruffy and dirty and seemed to clank more than other "Posher" steam locos at that time. I used to take down the numbers but any records I had were lost long ago
@Mounhas2 ай бұрын
They were steam engines that could’ve continued up to 1999 or so. This is one “austerity” I approve of. Thanks for yet another enthralling video Ruairidh.
@Sacto1654Ай бұрын
I think the relatively simple design made them reasonably reliable, and could have likely kept on going probably as late as 1970 if it weren't for British Railway's modernization scheme.
@Shark300062 ай бұрын
Similar to the 9Fs, the WD Austerity 2-10-0s are also designed for freight trains and they are also banned from running on the mainline in preservation.
@duncancurtis51082 ай бұрын
Ex Longmoor Gordon's the only one left. The rest died off in scattered scrapyards in the 60s.
@user-cp9zv4ev5m2 ай бұрын
Is one at the NYMR.
@deancosens57102 ай бұрын
What led to them being banned? Wheelbase or something like that?
@andrewbeer47152 ай бұрын
The 9F has a pair of flangeless driving wheels (I don't know about the Austeritys) to help negotiate curves. The current mainline rules state minimum flange dimensions for tyre wear limits, but there is now allowance for deliberately flangeless wheels, so it is a case of "computer says no".
@mattjones19922 ай бұрын
@@deancosens5710there are concerns the flangeless wheel will foul on the raised check rails we have now.
@markgr1nyer2 ай бұрын
The speed of the designing and building of these locos, the recovery in reopening the line in Soham, this country really was incredible. Sound is so much better Ruairidh
@davidty2006Ай бұрын
entire station pretty much gone? repaired in a day. only if that can be done now...
@kenstevens50652 ай бұрын
21 2-8-0's we're allocated to my nearest shed Frodingham and served up to the shed closure in 1966. I lived three miles away from Frodingham viaduct and on a summer evening you could here them tackle the 1 in 93. You could hardly see them lineside as many leaked steam at what seemed every steam pipe joint. They were in a terrible state in the 60's but one must have had a major overhaul early sixties and made a splendid sight in shiny black compared to the rest. All three Scunthorpe steelworks were going full pelt back then and as long as you liked freight engines it was a spotters paradise. If the nett zero brigade get their way there'll be no steel industry left in a few years only memories.
@KevinMorrison-xj2bt2 ай бұрын
The Frodingham WD's were always filthy dirty and worked to death ! And I can still hear the distinctive WD Clank, Clank sound even now ! Wonderful locomotives and more should have survived.
@dannyashton35532 ай бұрын
only18 hrs to get it up and running, we used to be able to get things done back when we were a determined nation
@irenemarwood7425Ай бұрын
Thankyou for posting all these insightful articles. I experienced the Austerities in the Wakefield area in the late 60s.
@obelic712 ай бұрын
Ahh the Jeep (2-10-0) and little Jeep (2-8-0) Those were the nicknames given by the crews of those classes of WD locomotives in the Netherlands
@jimtaylor2942 ай бұрын
Definitely an underrated snippet of history, that deserves to be remembered 😌👍
@joelightrailway23622 ай бұрын
These locos are by far my favourite design locomotives from Riddles as I’m a fan of locomotives been built in the 1940s. These locos are really fantastic to see in action and I’m glad during my visit to the North Norfolk Railway to see the 2-10-0 in action. One exciting news of one of the 2-10-0s is 3672 is going to be burning oil on the North Yorkshire Moors Railway, I in my opinion, really want to see these engines burning oil as now I now know that the LNER did trial out a 2-8-0 version to burn oil, well I really like to see these engines to be burning oil instead of burning coal. Mainly because they along with the Bulleid, A1s & A2s Pacific’s are perfect to burning oil.
@davidty20062 ай бұрын
Isn't that one of the greek ones? Theres supossedly another just sat in a siding over there still.
@marklelohe3754Ай бұрын
Well that is one alternative since the Welsh Assembly have decided to stop all coal mining. The other is source anthracite from Venezuela now how is that economically or environmentally sensible?
@Backwardlooking2 ай бұрын
I clambered under and around these at Rosegrove Shed, Burnley in 1965 as a teenager with other boys interested in locomotives. Very different from my later academic career and interests. They hauled coal trains from the local pits. In the final days of steam they were generally filthy as were most locomotives and rolling stock. 👍🏻🏴
@davidty20062 ай бұрын
Ones up in county durham were doing similar things. for temporary wartime engines they had a good lifespan.
@KevinMorrison-xj2bt2 ай бұрын
Great footage ! And took me back to my trainspotting days during the 1960's shed bashing around Wakefield, Farnley, Stourton. Low Moor, Leeds Holbeck MPD's. My uncle was a platelayer at Healey Mills (Near Ossett) marshalling yard, so I was allowed to operate the 'retarders' sorting the waggons one evening in 1965. I remember climbing onto so many footplates of these great locomotives that were in a terrible state but they kept on going until the end. I remember these WD's on double headers hauling very heavy ballast trains out of Healey Mills and it's a sight I will never forget. Thanks for uploading.
@LucaWinstanley-ox4in2 ай бұрын
YAAAAYYY A VIDEO OF MY FAVOURITE LOCOMOTIVES AND THE ONE I’M GETTING A MODEL OF TOMORROW!!!
@jimmydesouza43752 ай бұрын
Pre-painted or painting it yourself?
@petermartin7350Ай бұрын
Very nostalgic! in 1950, aged 12, my pals and I would cycle the 16 miles from Cambridge to Huntingdon, the nearest point on what is now called the ECML. They used to take ages coming down the long southbound straight because of course all the wagons were unbraked.
@johnboy42313 күн бұрын
My home village Barnetby had dozens of Dubdees each day until diesels took over - mostly on coal trains, but also iron ore, slag (ballast), steel, mixed trains... They were shedded at 34E New England, 36A Doncaster, 36C Frodingham, 36E Retford, 40A Lincoln, 40B Immingham, 40E Colwick, 41D Canklow, 41F Mexborough mostly.
@chrislaarman75322 ай бұрын
Thank you for providing the background of WD 73755 "Longmoor" (2-10-0), the only locomotive at the Utrecht "Spoorwegmuseum" one was allowed to enter in my youth. (I haven't visited that museum for "ages", but I do plan to.)
@peterflitcroft9756Ай бұрын
There is a picture of my late father driving WD 2-8-0 Sir Guy Williams on the Bullit Expres in the recently published book on Longmoor.
@johnjee1627Ай бұрын
wonderful interesting video , it never ceases to amaze me that model manufacturers just stick to common locomotives to manufacture as youve just shown there are rare and far more interesting models far more worhy of modelling
@stephendavies6949Ай бұрын
Excellent video honouring an extraordinary loco. Looking forward to the Ellis Clark model that's due next year.
@thebrummierailenthusiasts5329Ай бұрын
15:12 that loco 600 Gordon is the loco I still see at the Severn valley railway
@flippop1012 ай бұрын
An extremely well researched and well made video. I really enjoyed this one. Thank you!
@thebrummierailenthusiasts5329Ай бұрын
15:03 work is now underway to get that loco 3672 dame Vera Lynn named after the lady singer herself to return to steam
@physiocrat71432 ай бұрын
The two classes were scientifically tested by British Railways in 1953, running on the Settle and Carlisle route.
@MichaelBurggraf-gm8vlАй бұрын
Thank you very, very much to all four of you. It's so good to see people thinking and working in such a positive and constructive spirit. It's quite inspiring. Kind regards from Germany
@MisterTea74Ай бұрын
Driver Gimbert and Fireman Nighthall were commemorated by British Rail each having a class 47 loco named after them. I believe they were Stratford locos and would often be seen on the London - Norwich services in the 1980s
@antonberglund117bАй бұрын
As a Swede, it's always interesting to hear you say anything about Swedish SJ
@daystatesniper012 ай бұрын
Superb video of a unsung loco' that did what it said on the tin thank you for this video .
@thebrummierailenthusiasts5329Ай бұрын
15:41 90755 was the loco I saw on the tv called train spotting
@torgeirbrandsnes1916Ай бұрын
Great vlog as always! Have you done a vlog on the Liberty ships? Keep up the good work!
@slavvy.mp48842 ай бұрын
Damn, the narration sound qualify is significantly better ever since that upgrade. Glad to see you getting better at your craft
@davidevans77082 ай бұрын
I lived not too far from Sutton Oak 8G (St Helens) shed and regularly saw 90212 of 8G. My overriding memory of 90212 was the clanking noise it made which is perfectly demonstated by the last clip in the video. Robert Riddles designed some of the best steam locos ever to see service on Britain's railways and yet many were only in service for a very short period of time. Such a waste.
@scofab2 ай бұрын
Fascinating as always, thank you again.
@thebrummierailenthusiasts5329Ай бұрын
14:18 90733 is the loco I saw 9 years ago on the Severn valley railway during the spring steam gala
@QALibrary2 ай бұрын
I didn’t know that these had so many issues in their design
@Sweatymilkshake2 ай бұрын
The new mic setup sounds fantastic! Great work
@AzureOtsu2 ай бұрын
a video on the electrostars/turbostars would be cool especially since they're a derivative of the networker design
@calex0072 ай бұрын
I note a difference in audio fidelity, but it does sound an improvement Pardon if I’m mistaken
@YetAnotherGeorgeth2 ай бұрын
Correct. He said in a community post that he has a new microphone and acoustic shielding and from this video on will be recorded with such.
@MrNotech2 ай бұрын
@@YetAnotherGeorgeth I thought at first he was a bit congested in this one :D
@YetAnotherGeorgeth2 ай бұрын
The new mic is a great improvement while still keeping similar audio style as before. I like it.
@marvwatkins7029Ай бұрын
Good job, chaps.
@lauriecooper81942 ай бұрын
A most interesting video, thank you very much.
@mattgreen9057Ай бұрын
Just to say WD 600 Gordon is not owned by MOD it’s now owned by the SVR Trust, it’s cosmetically restored at the Engine House in Highley.
@MythocentricАй бұрын
Many fond memories of these locos - known locally as Dub-dees amongst us youthful trainspotters locally. A popular spot was on the wall at Islington Yard, just up from Blackburn Station on the Preston side and the Dub-dees were a common sight as they worked coal trains in and out of the large coal yard just a short distance further along the line. In fact we often heard them starting out well before we saw them as they started their journey towards Leeds including the long, hard slog over the Pennines which no doubt contributed to the common problem of a loud clanking of worn coupling rod bearings. They were well-liked by local crews and even substituted on passenger workings for annual holiday excursion trains when Rose Grove shed would turn out anything capable of turning a wheel to handle the traffic! Glory days indeed!
@FrankSmith-eu8ncАй бұрын
You got thet right< the "bullet appeared in two movies"top secret and melba" i was there 1951/53
@GaryJohnWalker12 ай бұрын
As said, underreported. And there's quite a story to be told I think about engines sent out to North Africa and Europe even during the war and used post war before the local rail services recovered.
@davidfuller5812 ай бұрын
The 2-10-0s were as you mentioned in a prior video developed into the stellar Class 9F.
@johnsowerby7182Ай бұрын
If I may make a suggestion, a companion piece on the 2-10-0 Kriegslok would be interesting.
@kjflynn3379Ай бұрын
good interesting stuff !!😊
@frankmitchell35942 ай бұрын
I always knew if a "WD" was coming by the clanking noise they made.
@TrainTrackTrav2 ай бұрын
That's the noise that earned them the nickname "woofer-dunks".
@johnfellows2867Ай бұрын
The Soham loco 7337 spent many years at Longmoor.
@Tom-LahayeАй бұрын
Nice subject again! But this time some not fully correct information has slid in. The Dutch state railways NS did indeed buy many of the 2-10-0 WDs, but they weren't the only ones. Actually the 2-8-0 was more numerous at a certain stage. 236 of the 2-8-0s got NS numbers 4301 to 4537, though not all were in service at the same moment as some were swapped with locomotives of the Dutch State Mines, a body comparable with the British NBC in need of locomotives which could provide steam heating, a thing the WDs couldn't and strangely enough some of the larger pit locomotives could as they operated workers trains as well.. In 1946 50 of the 2-8-0s were swapped for 2-10-0s, the 2-8-0 being more suited for the UK conditions. In the Netherlands with its wider loading gauge the overhang of the 2-10-0 was no issue. The 2-10-0s got the numbers 5001-5103. The noted preserved locomotive with the fictive BR number 90733 was not directly sold to SJ, it was first sold to NS and had the number NS 4464, and was sold together with 4383 to SJ where 4464 got the number 1931. All other WDs in the Netherlands were withdrawn by 1958 at the end of steam operation on the national network and scrapped besides WD 73755/NS 5085 named 'Longmoor' which was preserved in the National Railway Museum in Utrecht.
@HamStrainsАй бұрын
Y'know I'm suprised no one has taken steps to get one of the derelict greek examples and parts harvest it to put around a new boiler and frames to make a second 2-8-0 out the remains of a 2-10-0 given the commonality of parts.
@stuew6Ай бұрын
Hey A Southern Q 0-6-0 is also Wartime locomotives too
@ludwigtails2 ай бұрын
Wait wait- I swear these WD locos once worked in KCR Hong Kong as well. Where did that mention went?
@drstevenreyАй бұрын
Oil conversion. That is something that one needs to know how it is done correctly. You can't just take a cole burner and run it with oil.
@Soundwave3591Ай бұрын
Somewhat Ironic that more 2-10-0's would be preserved than 2-8-0's
@doggerbendrailway60022 ай бұрын
What could be a interesting video the nsw standard good engines d50 53 and 55 class on one video
@SmudgeThomas2 ай бұрын
I do like your videos, and hope you do more steam...UNRRA would also be a good topic to cover
@TrainFactGuy2 ай бұрын
Well, this is awkward. The one time I get a video done in advance for next week, you go ahead and post a video not only covering the same subject, but with better footage too
@Captainmckurk2 ай бұрын
You should do a video on the german war locomotive br52
@BrokenIET2 ай бұрын
Where did you get those Longmoor clips at 1:49 ? In all my years of researching the LMR I’ve never come across them, unless I’m misremembering.
@gregorylenton82002 ай бұрын
Love all that Smoke..fun
@drstevenrey2 ай бұрын
Fascinating. A good machine that did the job well. Not really an evident thing to happen in Britain.
@rogermarsh2763Ай бұрын
"Dubdees" as we spotters call.ed were the mainstay of coal haulage around the now defunct coalfields of North Notts and South Yorkshire. They were particularly prevalent on the L.D & ECR - does anybody have any sources of information and photos of that particular line ?
@drstevenrey3 күн бұрын
One word I have a very special loathing for: Austerity. It is in the head. It is not a real thing. It only applies to Britain, ever. Austerity and Recession are two things that are constantly blamed for all sorts of cock ups. It is YOU, not austerity or the so called recession. It never is. Make due or die.
@azuma8922 ай бұрын
No mention of the ones exported to Hong Kong? 🙃
@HamStrainsАй бұрын
Was going to say the same... they had a lovely livery applied to them. Shame they were missed out
@petersmith44552 ай бұрын
hi, why didn't the clowns keep one for the Lickey incline , unless Big Bertha was more powerful.
@SchlipperschlopperАй бұрын
Looks a little bit like the german Kriegslocomotive DRG 52 class
@herbgarrattАй бұрын
What is the locality of the shot commencing 16:13?
@True_NOON2 ай бұрын
Since now i can ask because im not 50 hours late , is the move into more Uk based rail vehicles a partial byproduct of me listing these railway documentaries in an informal and unofficial fanplaylist?
@gonzoengineering48942 ай бұрын
If it is, thank you for your service
@magnolian80802 ай бұрын
Probably not
@True_NOON2 ай бұрын
Im guessing 50/50
@chriswilliams1152 ай бұрын
The audio/ commentary in this sounds a bit off compared to your usual. Not quite sure what it is but it's odd compared to your normal.
@amansgrangard62082 ай бұрын
What about the Hunslet Austerity 0-6-0 st ?
@davidty2006Ай бұрын
Those are separate.. Also whats the difference between a hunslet 0-6-0 saddle tank and the austerity? they do the same thing, they look pretty much identical and lasted for ages hauling coal for the NCB.
@jimtaylor2942 ай бұрын
Are the Q1 Class of war locomotives also on the list? 🙂
@davidty2006Ай бұрын
Q1's are a completely separate engine. WD 2-8-0 and 2-10-0 are very close to eachother and the stanier 8F.
@jimtaylor294Ай бұрын
@davidty2006 Noted, but that wasn't the point; rather it'd be great to have a video from RM about them.
@DaveSCameron2 ай бұрын
More evidence of us giving our stuff away,it’s clearly not a contemporary phenomenon such as us throwing millions of pounds at Ukraine whilst my my has to choose between heating or food. Beautiful train but c’mon British people what was it all for, in 100 years there won’t be a channel such as this because we simply don’t invest in ourselves!
@andyc3088Ай бұрын
AI voice?
@simonh6788Ай бұрын
This new AI version of your voice is very distracting
@Arltratlo2 ай бұрын
we had the BR 52, still in use in some countries... but we also have high speed train services, so we dont need steam locomotives anymore.... if you reelect the Tories, you will have them back before the decade is over!
@davidty20062 ай бұрын
Nah tories won't bother with brining back steam engines because they are about things not working. steam works quite well.
@jimtaylor2942 ай бұрын
^ He's hit the nail on the head there 😅😂
@Dave_Sisson2 ай бұрын
While I have never voted Conservative (or for one of the far right parties), there is a place for political commentary and this is not it, this is a transport channel that is free of nasty mudslinging and insults. So I have downvoted your post, although it's already at the bottom of the list, so plenty of other people must feel the same way I do.
@Arltratlo2 ай бұрын
@@Dave_Sisson lol, Tories will destroy everything they can see with their greedy eyes.... no wonder HS2 is cut down!
@jimtaylor294Ай бұрын
^ Nah. It's decades of two parties making it harder and more expensive to build new railways in the UK that's to blame. That, and HS2 was a Tory pet project from the start (high speed rail has long been so [albeitnever with the accompanying nouce to know what needs investing in to make it work 🤦♂️]), so that's not saying much.
@Silvertardis2 ай бұрын
Could you cover the class 08 shunters next please?
@user-tp7up8lg1d2 ай бұрын
These remind me of all the locomotives I've seen here in America like the Big Boys and the M3 Yellowstones. While they pulled far heavier loads during World War Two than the late Robin Riddles's warhorses were ever designed to, these locomotives are truly amazing.
@Filip7370Ай бұрын
Sorry for correcting, it is Jaworzyna Śląska [javɔˈʐɨna ˈɕlɔ̃ska] and Chabówka [xaˈbufka] . I understand this is difficult for a native non-speaking polish, still Your pronunciation is very, very far away from the original.