Insane Bang for the Buck - Rose Technics RT5000

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Insane Bang for the Buck - Rose Technics RT5000

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@blueninjasix 5 ай бұрын

I'd hope that your pre-production model would be be representative of the final version. It's not unknown for manufacturers to tweak review models

@raphaelmeillat8527 5 ай бұрын

From a company very much willing to play with the trademarks of reputable and established brands, I would say you're 100% right to raise that point and start doubting about the final product!

@mariemil6187 4 ай бұрын

Indeed. There is a unknown risk. I'm afraid that the audio influencers will not review one of the mass products again on their own motion.

@mebaugh1 4 ай бұрын

YES, you are highly credible, always honest, thoughtful, humble and 100% TRUSTWORTHY! I have learned a ton from you and I appreciate that. Thank you!

@mebaugh1 3 ай бұрын

Super helpful review. . . selling off my SMSL su-9 Pro to replace with RT-5000. After listening to several other reviews. Enjoy your thoughtful approach as always! This is my endgame DAC. Can't afford the SMSL SU-10 and it is too big for my setup as well. Seriously compared against Geshelli JS2with Sparkos Op amps, but thought it was ugly and poorly constructed housing I will be running RT-5000 into a Topping A90D headamp, that I already have. So that gives me preamp control and xlr outputs for my powered bookshelf speakers. RT5000 arrived today - amazing. Signal chain. . . CD player optical out to RT5000 to Topping A90D to Hifiman Arya Stealth. Listend to variety of music from Steely Dan, Out of the Grey, Sarah Grove, Lee Ritenour, Rick Braun etc. Sold off SMSL SU-9 Pro, kept A90D. Soundstage wider, detail retireval better, instrument placement leap forward, bass punch and slam- lively. Immersive experience. Interesting it how it really reveals whatever is in the recording. Some of the Steely Dan tracks while recorded exceptionally well in the 70's, sound a bit flat compared to more modern jazz recordings form the last 20 years. Thought I should mention, XLR jacks are correct, AND volume knob does affect level being sent via XLR's. It is not a constant signal- it has preamp control. Loving the immersive experience, where the gear shrinks into the background and you are just soaking it all in.

@sloboat55 5 ай бұрын

Excellent vid. I'll be interested to see what Rose Technics does at a higher price point in the future. Cool runnings .

@iiWiReviews 5 ай бұрын

Thanks for your continuous and generous support Slobo. 🙏👍

@andymill8552 5 ай бұрын

I hope they fix the 2x 'Buletooth' spelling mistake on the back as well with the production model 😅. Not really important of course, but it gives a 'home made' vibe. Thanks for the excellent review!

@02honeydew 5 ай бұрын

If you could get your hands on the new IFI DSD NEO 2 to compare, specifically the DAC portion as I already have a (probably) higher end headphone amp, that'd be pretty cool

@rm-mastering 5 ай бұрын

Now this is a great review (sorry to say but much much better than your last review regarding the Gustard switch), thank you.

@iiWiReviews 5 ай бұрын

No problem, not all devices are equally fun to everyone. I'm not always equally fun or informative either. 😊

@metinfps 5 ай бұрын

As allways excellent review. You are the best hifi reviewer on youtube bro. I mean you are really good explaining dac sounds and clearly understandable.

@sokrebis 5 ай бұрын

Zbilja interesantan uređaj. Hvala na recenziji od novog pretplatnika 😊

@johncallaghan3097 5 ай бұрын

Found a review for this at Ichos Reviews on the Web, which has more or less the same opinion, but interestingly, discovered that the op amps it uses (dual JRC MUSES01 J-FET -- one for each channel) are rollable, so provided space allows, one could roll other op-amps such as Sparkos, etc. Mind you, the MUSE01 is not a cheap op-amp, at around £30 -- and so could be in the same league as Sparkos which may account for why it vies with the upgraded Geshelli.

@clementng7285 5 ай бұрын

From the literature and @Passion for Sound’s review, I believe the MUSES01 is in the circuit only for the headphone outputs and does not impact the single ended and balanced outputs when used as DAC only ?

@johncallaghan3097 5 ай бұрын

@@clementng7285Fair point. I checked and think you are correct. It's not like the Aune X8 XVIII which has a fixed output option I use in conjunction with a Sparkos op amp.

@bobb.9917 5 ай бұрын

Thanks for THE MUSIC!!!! 😎

@carminedesanto6746 5 ай бұрын

GM ☕️❄️ I just recently picked up the the new Denafrips Ares 12-1 as my main DAC ..and I’m loving it.

@virtuoosi7037 5 ай бұрын

it is much better than es or akm bulshit dacs

@carminedesanto6746 5 ай бұрын

@@virtuoosi7037yup ..a lot smoother ..a true Denafrips signature 😎

@NosEL34 5 ай бұрын

@@virtuoosi7037 😂..well I think that just depends on personal preferences as to which is "better"

@virtuoosi7037 5 ай бұрын

@@NosEL34 they are just very digital-sounding, lacking all the life of the soul, unlike custom chips

@NosEL34 5 ай бұрын

@@virtuoosi7037 I understand your point of view. I think all types have their pro's & con's. & most of it depends on their implementation. R2R's do have a lil different feel or sound to them but I was just saying that not everyone prefers that. Doesn't really make anyone right or wrong..I just thought it was funny you were shittin on everyone that uses chip dac's 😆

@hollowmoon7766 5 ай бұрын

That is indeed an interesting product! Thank you for such a nice presentation.

@gotelldonn 5 ай бұрын

I really enjoyed your two music selections in this video. Do you have a playlist with more gems that you can share?

@iiWiReviews 5 ай бұрын

Glad you like them. I have them scattered across many playlist and streaming services. I have some iiWi lists on Tidal and Qobuz but they are not up to date. Will try to organise them soon.

@bobb.9917 5 ай бұрын

YES! I have gotten GREAT music here!!!!! 👍🏼

@gotelldonn 5 ай бұрын

Thank you so much. I really enjoy your reviews! Keep up the good work.@@iiWiReviews

@francescomariavezzoli4208 5 ай бұрын

Hi Iiwi! Great channel , seriously! Are you thinking about reviewing MUSICIAN PEGASUS II ?

@cobar5342 5 ай бұрын

Great video, thank you

@majtextwriter1794 5 ай бұрын

Great! Finally some alternative to Randy and other reviews.

@budgetaudiophilelife-long5461 5 ай бұрын

🙋‍♂️ GREETINGS SRBJ, THANKS FOR SHARING THIS REVIEW 🤗…IT LOOKS AND SOUNDS LIKE AN AMAZING 🤩 PRODUKT 😎💚💚💚

@contemporaryartist6542 5 ай бұрын

Thank you. You done Weiss dacs? You’re the man.

@iiWiReviews 5 ай бұрын

Thanks! Weiss is too rich for me so I haven't.

@contemporaryartist6542 5 ай бұрын

I know… That Black String album is wonderful, thank you! Keep the suggestions coming please.

@joenovak6393 5 ай бұрын

Geshelli missed an opportunity to step-up their external looks. Way to go Rose Technics.

@S.G54321 5 ай бұрын

Hmmm very curious how the Xduoo would compare with Sparkos SS3602 to the RT5000. This combo on the Xduoo with ESS dac is extremely good. I feel it may surpass the XT5000 but it is overall more expensive. But you do gain in overall portability and able to move around instead of being stuck to your desk 😁. If you ever have the chance. Try the XD05 Pro with ESS dac and Sparkos SS3602 op amps. Seriously impressive stuff. But the RT5000 is seriously a gorgeous looking dac/amp 😍

@vladimirdorta6692 5 ай бұрын

Very informative review, as always. I wonder how much better the Rose would sound with a good PS, a giant killer perhaps?

@user-ln4lq8ih3l 5 ай бұрын

Very interested if on same level as pimped geshelli and cheaper priced too. Would I be able to run my l/r via rca inputs and my 2 subs via XLR for a 2.2 setup? Any feedback is appreciated. Thanks for another banging review 🤟🏽

@MegaFabioRocks 5 ай бұрын

Just completed my dac setup with Aune x8 + sparkos + linear power supply. It was one of your top recommended dac, but I see it's not coming out for comparison anymore. Curious to know why! Anyway, it sounds amazing with allo digione. This is to thank you.

@iiWiReviews 5 ай бұрын

It is still one of the top choices, I just don't use it in comparisons anymore because I don't have it with me anymore and memory slowly fades. Glad you like it as much as I did. Thanks for your support!

@mariemil6187 5 ай бұрын

Hi iiWi, very nice test review. Do you remember the selected filter which was active for your testing? Does the device store the filter and gain selection or do you have to fiddle it in again - after cutting off the power?

@garfythecat 5 ай бұрын

How do you end up with the wrong XLR connections and still send it out to reviewers? That's not a good look.

@emeerhof 4 ай бұрын

Are you really a princess?

@mejias4682 5 ай бұрын

HI, THIS QUESTION IS OFF TOPIC, THE QUESTION IS ABOUT THE TOPPING L70 AND WHY IS IT THAT KNOW ONE EVER SPEAKS ABOUT THE REAR OUTPUTS FOR SPEAKERS , YES IT IS A HEADPHONE AMP , BUT WE ALSO LIKE TO LISTEN TO MUSIC USING OUR SPEAKERS , SO HOW GOOD ARE THE REAR OUTPUTS IN COMPARISOPN TO THE HEADPHONE OUTPUTS, CAN YOU PLEASE EXPLAIN

@ojaswimathur5266 17 күн бұрын

Great review any idea How does rt5000 compared to hifiman ef600 them as dac and dac/amp.

@TC-bz8sm 5 ай бұрын

Great review and I trust you! How about the power side ? Is it enough to drive some Hifiman mid level headphones ?

@iiWiReviews 5 ай бұрын

I belive it is. It drives Goldplanar GL2000 no problem and they are pretty insensitive.

@clementng7285 5 ай бұрын

Great Review of what stylistically is a welcome departure from the run of the mill black/silver boxes. Seems that the actual design of the output stage is more important than the DAC chip in determining the overall tonality. How would you rate the RT-5000 against something like the Earmen Tradutto which also uses the ESS chip but also manages to provide a warmer and fuller presentation than other Sabre Dacs. You were very enthusiastic about the liquidity and warmth of the Tradutto some time back. Wondering if the RT-5000 would be an upgrade for me. I also have the SMSL D300 in another set up with a more ethereal and analogue sound than the Tradutto but loses out in bass slam.

@iiWiReviews 5 ай бұрын

They're in the same camp regarding tonality but this one is even better (more clarity, more space, more smoothness). Not saying this to make Tradutto owners to upgrade, it's still a very capable DAC, just for current buyers to have the info.

@clementng7285 5 ай бұрын

@@iiWiReviews Thanks, It’s great that you got this in to review. I bought both the D300 and Tradutto on your recommendation. They both have a non-fatiguing presentation; in many cases I prefer the Rohm chip Dac when it comes to jazz and simple singer acoustics but the Tradutto wows with its bass slam for rock and electronica. Would you say this has similar traits from both these dacs. The VMVd2R is on my wish list but I’m hoping you’ll get to review it first 😙

@ericlafond3703 5 ай бұрын

great review! I am looking for the rich and liquidy sound as you say often, and was considering the Aune S17 pro after watching your review of it and use it with my Modius DAC. How would you describe the sound difference of the RT5000 vs the S17 Amp wise ?

@iiWiReviews 5 ай бұрын

For S17 pro to sound better than this, it needs equally capable DAC of roughly similar price... And that would be 1.5K stack that outperforms RT5000 by 10% or something like that. Strong diminishing returns hit that I have difficulty recommending in this case. I never heard Modius but I'm not sure it would do S17 pro justice. It might as well happen that RT5000 on its own performs better.

@amb3cog 5 ай бұрын

Amazing product. Subs great review. Any chance You could get an upgraded PS, and update this review? I think that would make a great video. ✌️

@iiWiReviews 5 ай бұрын

Basically all devices react positively to better quality power supplies, that's general truth that doesn't really need additional video in my opinion. Maybe just added and pinned comment if I try it.

@raphaelmeillat8527 5 ай бұрын

Thanks for this helpful review. Now I'm just confused with the brand itself... What's up wit that? Is it a joint venture between Rose from Korea and Technics from Japan?

@iiWiReviews 5 ай бұрын

Maybe the Chinese founder of the brand is a fan of both. But yes, they could've been a bit more inventive... Tulip Systems TS-5000. 😆

@goodsound4756 5 ай бұрын

Yes, that's the elephant in the room. you simply cannot borrow trademarked names when operating in the same sector. Well, you can until you get sued.

@raphaelmeillat8527 5 ай бұрын

Personally I find such behaviour ridiculous and more than reprehensible. Delivers a false sense of confidence and security about quality and after-sales service. No way I would ever support such business practices, regardless of the product. Wish you addressed it heads-on during your review. It's Marketing malpractice 101!

@alexandergutmann391 5 ай бұрын

How would it compare to the new Fiio K9 AKM?

@kimchristensen453 5 ай бұрын

Will you review the SMSL VMV D2R with ROHM BD34301EKV DAC at some time in the future?

@iiWiReviews 5 ай бұрын

I have no plans to purchase it personally. SMSL's new models release tempo is relentless. But if any online shop decides to send it my way or a local audiophile gets it and loans it to me for a review... then sure, I'll check it out.

@kimchristensen453 5 ай бұрын

Yeah, that makes total sense of course. I hope someone will loan you one as the ROHM DAC as an alternative to AKM/ESS is a little interesting. SMSL used ROHM in the D300 DAC but that one is much more made to a (lower) cost. @@iiWiReviews

@kevinusta7534 5 ай бұрын

Your SQ description reminds me of the Tradutto.

@iiWiReviews 5 ай бұрын

@user-oz8rb5ee4f 3 ай бұрын

Thanks for the review. Is it compatible with the FiiO PL50 external power supply? The specifications are a bit different on both devices, I'm worried about long term damage

@iiWiReviews 3 ай бұрын

I just checked PL50 and it's 12V/3A. That's perfectly fine.

@iiWiReviews 3 ай бұрын

For any future reference. Voltage needs to be the exact same (12V in this case). Current capability (Ampers) can't be too high. No matter how much Ampers power supply can give, device only takes what it needs.

@user-oz8rb5ee4f 3 ай бұрын

@@iiWiReviews Wow thanks for replying so quickly! Ah so the voltage is identical? On the product ad it said something like 15V but I'm no expert, it may have meant max voltage or something in that direction. Thank you

@user-oz8rb5ee4f 3 ай бұрын

I quote this from a written review: "The digital inputs include full size USB, optical and coaxial connectors that are positioned at the back together with the 15V/3A DC input, the Bluetooth antenna, the power on/off switch and an input selector. "

@iiWiReviews 3 ай бұрын

You're right, I answered this one quickly from my phone and made a mistake switching power supply requirements for this one and FX-Audio DR07 I reviewed it quickly after it. So you do need a 15V power supply with 3A or more. So 4A or 5A is fine, but that PL50 that is 2A is lower than recommended. It might still work but it's better to go with the official (or higher) ampere recommendation and not worry.

@ThatOneBrotha-vl1gr 5 ай бұрын

Is there any other way you know of to get the designs for the Spirit Wind cabinets?

@ekjellgren 5 ай бұрын

Testing the SU-X soon?

@NeilBlanchard 5 ай бұрын

Is the stock power supply for the RT5000 an AC voltage? Because that is close to what Schiit uses on some of their units, and they are AC - they would do the AC to DC and regulation inside the unit.

@iiWiReviews 5 ай бұрын

It's 15 V DC in this case. I'm considering getting at least iFi iPower X for it since I like it and its compact size, so I'll probably keep using it in my desktop setup.

@NeilBlanchard 5 ай бұрын

@@iiWiReviewsokay, good to know - it may still be filtered and regulated down to 12V inside the RT5000; and that may be part of why it sounds so good?

@iiWiReviews 5 ай бұрын

Possibly. They're doing something good regarding power supply and output stage because I've heard many implementations of this DAC chip and this is probably the best one yet.

@dusantomic9983 5 ай бұрын

Is the Bluetooth input(receiving the signal) or the output (sending signal to a BT headphones, for example) or both?

@iiWiReviews 5 ай бұрын

It's for receiving. It wouldn't make a difference if you're connecting BT headphones to this one, a PC, or a smartphone... They all send digital data and headphones have small internal DACs and amps to make it into the analog output.

@user-oz8rb5ee4f 3 ай бұрын

Hey my RT5000 arrived. Still has the "buletooth" text, no big deal though. I wanted to ask if you also hear a popping sound when playing/pausing/seeking music? With seeking I mean "scrolling" through the song / video

@iiWiReviews 3 ай бұрын

Hi, I don't experience that with my PC (Win 10 OS).

@user-oz8rb5ee4f 3 ай бұрын

@@iiWiReviews Thanks for checking! And nothing else is playing right? As in, the song would be the only source of audio? Because if I do have something else playing continuously there's no "start up pop sound". Not sure why this is happening. Maybe because I'm not using the included plug adapter which I couldn't really fit in the extension cord. I will report back on that if I find a way to use the included adapter. In general I'm a little worried that the RT5000 wasn't much of an improvement over my old DAC ($90~). Like of course it should be, but maybe my ears are not good enough to hear the difference immediately. I found testing very difficult as I have to keep switching my interchangeable connector from 4.4mm to 2.5mm, which takes a 1-2 minutes. My memory then forgets what it sounded like on the RT5000 haha. I'm fine if it comes down to my amateur ears not being able to tell them apart, but I have always been worried that my unit is faulty, or that the review units had a little more love. If what I have is fully functional and authentic then I would of course keep it, because maybe better IEMs/headphones can take more advantage of it. I will report back with my findings and once again thank you for checking it out, must be bothersome plugging it in and everything but I'll always appreciate it. Any song recommendations?

@audiofile1178 5 ай бұрын

What are your thoughts on this vs EF400?

@HungryEatNow 5 ай бұрын

OK I am a little bit interested

@fatboyvin 2 ай бұрын

this vs the smsl do300ex for use with speakers purely as a DAC? Will it be okay to pair this DAC with revealing speakers like the dali oberon 5? I have already purchased this dac, I wonder if it will be a good match with the dali oberon 5.

@iiWiReviews 2 ай бұрын

I haven't tested DO300EX but I prefer RT5000 to DO400. I don't know the rest of your system but Dali is an open and detailed-sounding speaker. Rose Technis is a sweet and refined-sounding DAC that will not provoke any harshness so it should match well.

@fatboyvin 2 ай бұрын

@@iiWiReviews my system involves audiolab 6000A and rose technics rt5000. I am currently deciding between Dali Oberon 5 vs Polk R500 vs Focal Chora 806. Btw, I am using the RT5000 purely as DAC only for speakers, is it okay to put it on Highest gain? The sound is very weak even in medium gain. I never use headphones btw. The DAC becomes pretty hot although the manual states that this is normal.

@amadismusic_SWORDFISH 5 ай бұрын

would be interesting to compare it to S9C pro

@iiWiReviews 5 ай бұрын

If you watch my xDuoo XD05 Pro review you may see I prefered it slightly to S9C. This one is even better than XD05 pro as I mentioned in this video. So they are all quite close but I would chose RT5000 for sonics.

@amadismusic_SWORDFISH 5 ай бұрын

@@iiWiReviewsOk. But it"s also less powerfull than the S9C right!

@fullranger3435 5 ай бұрын

How does it compare to your Lampucera?

@iiWiReviews 5 ай бұрын

It falls into the same camp when it comes to tonality and musicality, it's just not as big, as 3D, and as revealing as Lampucera. Then again, nothing I tested so far (except Lampizator Baltic 3) is, so...

@fullranger3435 5 ай бұрын

@@iiWiReviews Thx👍. Keep it up!

@masterazlan6999 5 ай бұрын

Hmm its reminds me of my old skol dacAmps thats extincted yup Q5S TC which has aesthetics leather looks n way cuter(OTG) then this new... Peace!

@D1N02 5 ай бұрын

It's not a Rose, not a Technics. Oh well I'll start a brand called. Marantz Pioneer.

@iiWiReviews 5 ай бұрын

You should quickly call dibs on that name! 😁 Good one though. I focused so much on sound and comparisons that I missed some great puns that were begging to be used here.

@dipanjanroychowdhury3578 5 ай бұрын

Sir I am from india...I follow your videos...I have a question...I am having SMSL A300 amplifier with dali spektor 1 passive speaker...can I pair Topping E70 velvet with it? Or just a smsl d6s will be enough?

@iiWiReviews 5 ай бұрын

D6S will be enough in my opinion. Cheers!

@aRc11-11 5 ай бұрын

Mojo 2 is best as a DAC.

@iiWiReviews 5 ай бұрын

Yes, if used only as a DAC, it is fully in line with RT5000 - they're just different. I praised it highly in its own review and in many other comparisons. If used as headphone amp too, then RT5000 easily wins.

@CraciunAlexandruGh 5 ай бұрын

This brand does not seem to offer much confidence. I'm glad you found it a good unit, but I would not send 600$ to China on a no-name product.

@iiWiReviews 5 ай бұрын

No way for me to say anything about the brand itself. Time will tell. Sonics are up there with the best so I hope they make it.

@johnodonoghue651 5 ай бұрын

I really don't understand this obsession with DACs.

@iiWiReviews 5 ай бұрын

We humans are weird, some like cat videos, some cars, some boobs, some DACs... Some even all of the above. 😂

@tomekichiyamamoto2177 5 ай бұрын

Another DAC? Super expensive btw… 🤨

@thebastblastofficial 5 ай бұрын

I love your reviews. Inspired by your channel, how come someone can dedicate mostly a channel on DACs? Do DACs matter for real? We compared 7 DACs : kzfaq.info/get/bejne/gMWUl8eQzLzTdn0.html Keep on posting your content please! It's very informative.

@slawter1342 4 ай бұрын

I believe the unit is made in Taiwan, and the UX/UI to functionality reflects the country manufacturing core belief. Cramed with hardware but shitty software.

@kato2395 5 ай бұрын

Still using op amps at $599? The bling bling looks cheap actually. From the way it tries so hard to emphasize being luxurious with those golds and wood but ending up looking cheap, I would guess that this is a Chinese product from a Chinese company?

@iiWiReviews 5 ай бұрын

You guessed right but this is a matter of taste. Many non-Chinise brands use bling too - mentioned Leben, McIntosh, Dan D'agostino, etc. So cheap bling style can be much more expensive. 😁 The only thing I would personally change here is the volume knob. It's a bit over the top. The rest is fine imo, black leather and wood especially.

@kato2395 5 ай бұрын

@@iiWiReviews thanks for the clarification man!

@landosazo7506 5 ай бұрын

why would you compare it to the outdated pre-historic over-priced mojo 2

@tomasze7527 3 ай бұрын

… and drawing questionable conclusions - Mojo 2 is still superior to RT5000 - I have checked - just my opinion - overpriced might be - nowadays old very often means better not worse ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

@landosazo7506 3 ай бұрын

@@tomasze7527 if we know how to implement affordable devices in our audio system...we can achieve amazing sonic results. I just acquired the SMSL DO300EX using AKM chips on sale for $328...the overpriced Mojo could not hold a candle on this modestly priced device on sound reproduction, wide array of features and functionality. Let us be reminded the IPhone costs about $50 to produce and how much are we paying to acquire one?

@LostVillageIdiot 5 ай бұрын

Amazing review and the man is a poet. Does that device looks like the dog's breakfast or is it me? RT should consider renaming it "DAC5v" for export to the west, the "v" for vanilla presentation (no leather, no gold). Give me a thumbs down if I got it wrong.