Using triangle carbide inserts in a homemade cutter was a bad idea. || RotarySMP

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RotarySMP

RotarySMP

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Don't do this. Triangle inserts like these TCMT 110202 have two issues:
1/ being 60°, they always engage, or at least rub on the bottom
2/ there is only one edge to locate the insert in it's pocket, and that is not rigid enough.
The inserts come loose after a couple of cuts, as you can see in the video I made when using it. • Unreliable tooling is ...
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00:00 - Intro
00:32 - Plan the dovetail cutter
01:03 - Turn the blank
06:25 - Grinding 7° wall angle mill
12:51 - Testing the end mill
15:11 - Tool holder fell out
17:31 - I dont have the right tap.
18:25 - Broken tap
18:54 - Spring is here.
19:55 - Test the DIY dovetail cutter

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@kitesquid
@kitesquid Ай бұрын
Clickspring makes EVERYTHING look easy! 😂
@RotarySMP
@RotarySMP Ай бұрын
He sure does.
@RickRolling-tc7vb
@RickRolling-tc7vb Ай бұрын
That empty space in the Clarkson box was for a small packet of digestive biscuits, essential acoutrements for British machine tool operators. You may find that the beds on British machine tools are slightly longer, and you'll be pleased to know that it is designed to give you somewhere to set your cup of tea down so you can dunk your bikkie. Great skills as always Mark, thanks for the entertainment/envy paradox.
@RotarySMP
@RotarySMP Ай бұрын
I like that. No wonder it was empty. They are nice biscuits :)
@kenthesparky178
@kenthesparky178 Ай бұрын
Well that worked dovetail cutter a treat 👍.So now you have to buy 2 sets of 2.5mm taps, one for Fran and one for yourself.😒😁
@RotarySMP
@RotarySMP Ай бұрын
Already ordered. :)
@kenthesparky178
@kenthesparky178 Ай бұрын
​@@RotarySMPon top of the job👍
@RotarySMP
@RotarySMP Ай бұрын
@@kenthesparky178I hate damaging another guys tools.
@MikelNaUsaCom
@MikelNaUsaCom Ай бұрын
only two... lol.
@wizrom3046
@wizrom3046 Ай бұрын
​@@MikelNaUsaCom agreed! Little stuff like 3mm or 2.5mm taps, buy them in a pack of 5 at least. Think of them more like little disposable endmills than like prized taps that you going to cherish for the rest of your life lol. "my PRECIOUS! ... (snap) ... Doh!"
@billgilbride7972
@billgilbride7972 Ай бұрын
Thanks for sharing all the sharpening. Between you and Joe Pie I might learn me something!
@RotarySMP
@RotarySMP Ай бұрын
Our pleasure Bill :)
@624Dudley
@624Dudley Ай бұрын
The Schaublin really has become one of the family. 👍 Crafty project, that dovetail cutter! Really impressive.
@RotarySMP
@RotarySMP Ай бұрын
Thank you very much Doric. It came out pretty well, despite a couple of screw ups.
@LittleHambre
@LittleHambre Ай бұрын
Love how you can see the change of tool speed, in the color of the chip, when the larger diam ends are cleaned up on the lathe.
@RotarySMP
@RotarySMP Ай бұрын
I really need to sort out my spindle control logic to get CSS working.
@LittleHambre
@LittleHambre Ай бұрын
@@RotarySMP you can just excuse it with the cool looking visuals, for KZfaq :D
@johnsherborne3245
@johnsherborne3245 Ай бұрын
@@LittleHambre photometric closed loop speed control, that is really cool!
@philip_fletcher
@philip_fletcher Ай бұрын
That Shaublin drive train sounds sooooo smooth!
@RotarySMP
@RotarySMP Ай бұрын
At higher speeds that large toothed belt is pretty loud. I duck the audio on the machine a lot, as they sound pretty bad in videos.
@philip_fletcher
@philip_fletcher Ай бұрын
@@RotarySMP I was comparing it to my Colchester Bantam (which to me, sounds wonderful) but as it was 'all in the edit' I dont feel quite so bad... 😉
@RotarySMP
@RotarySMP Ай бұрын
@@philip_fletcherThe gearbox on the Schaublin only provides he back gear, so it doesn't make too much noise. The huge belt extruding air is probably the loudest bit, and that at highest speed (3000 rpm), I turned this at about 1500 rpm.
@steveggca
@steveggca Ай бұрын
@@RotarySMP poly -V belts are so nice, nearly silent and so much more smooth that conventional V or toothed belts
@RotarySMP
@RotarySMP Ай бұрын
@@steveggcaI was tempted to switch, but the wide toothed belt will allow extremely high torque, much more than a poly-Vee (but that is probably academic, as I doubt I will ever need such torque on such a small machine). The main reason I didn't switch was the work. The existing parts were all there and in good condition.
@frogandspanner
@frogandspanner Ай бұрын
1:27 _Clickspring_ makes everything look easy. But we, the viewers, aren't, so we look to channels where perfection is merely an aspiration, not an inevitability.
@RotarySMP
@RotarySMP Ай бұрын
Thanks. I wonder how many errors end up cut in the edit with Chris.
@frogandspanner
@frogandspanner Ай бұрын
@@RotarySMP I watch his stuff because it shows what _can_ be achieved with relatively inexpensive kit crammed in a cupboard, but with _infinite_ patience.
@RotarySMP
@RotarySMP Ай бұрын
@@frogandspannerYeah, his machine tools are pretty low end. I am kind of surprised he hasn't traded that modern watch makers lathe for a Scahublin 70 or similar. His trade skills and patience are absolutely out of this world.
@steveggca
@steveggca Ай бұрын
Nice dovetail cutter !
@RotarySMP
@RotarySMP Ай бұрын
Thanks a lot Steve.
@Rustinox
@Rustinox Ай бұрын
Well, that's quite a journey just to cut a dovetail. I use my shaper, much easier :)
@RotarySMP
@RotarySMP Ай бұрын
Hi Michel. Shapers are cool, very hypnotic. Once I get this dialed in, it should chomp through the stack of tool holder blanks pretty fast.
@WillemvanLonden
@WillemvanLonden Ай бұрын
Nice to see you back in the shop again.
@RotarySMP
@RotarySMP Ай бұрын
Thanks Willem. Nice to be making something.
@chrismayer8990
@chrismayer8990 Ай бұрын
Great work! I'm looking forward to the rhubarb recipe! 😅🤣😉
@RotarySMP
@RotarySMP Ай бұрын
Coming soon Chris :)
@aaronhammond7297
@aaronhammond7297 Ай бұрын
The milled flats seem quite forward of centerline, and the carbide even moreso. Big tradeoff between relief and rake angle
@RotarySMP
@RotarySMP Ай бұрын
Yeah, I think I overdid that a bit. Didn't want it rubbing, but could have dropped them down a far bit.
@joansparky4439
@joansparky4439 Ай бұрын
@@RotarySMP I have made a CAD design for a 70.7 deg dovetail cuter a month ago and found that dropping the TCMT11 inserts half it's thickness (center then in the plane in which the rotation axis of the tool is) will give enough rake angle. But this has an effect on the resulting cutting envelope (dovetail angle) and the insert needs to be rotated in its seat to compensate.. thank deity-xy for parametric CAD software!
@andrewclarke3750
@andrewclarke3750 Ай бұрын
Nice clip of a VIGV unison ring in your opening clip. Another fantastic video as per usual. I enjoy the commentary with the videos as it feels like the viewer is sat there in the workshop watching progress.
@RotarySMP
@RotarySMP Ай бұрын
Good spotting Andrew, I was wondering how many people would ID that as a unison ring :)
@matthewchastain136
@matthewchastain136 Ай бұрын
No one should be so hard on themselves comparing them to clickspring
@RotarySMP
@RotarySMP Ай бұрын
Thanks Matthew, Chris's videos are really outstanding.
@JohnForst82machine
@JohnForst82machine Ай бұрын
Nice! Schaublin action! Surface finish pretty decent too. Thanks for the vid Mark
@RotarySMP
@RotarySMP Ай бұрын
Thanks John. That Schaublin does a nice surface finish over a wide range of F&S, materials and inserts. Makes me look good :)
@LCalleja
@LCalleja Ай бұрын
Nice cutter!! Glad to see you back in the shop making things. Got to use a few different machines as well
@RotarySMP
@RotarySMP Ай бұрын
Hi Luke, and a bit of a Carkson accessory show for you :)
@LCalleja
@LCalleja Ай бұрын
@@RotarySMP Yes I need a vice :) I think there was a base to mount the vice directly to the table that's probably what is missing from your box
@RotarySMP
@RotarySMP Ай бұрын
@@LCallejaGood point. Could be. Those vises are pretty rare, but copies of it are made in India. I fine it really hand for lathe tools.
@LCalleja
@LCalleja Ай бұрын
@@RotarySMPwell if it can be copied in India it surely can be copied in Malta. Nothing like a few good photos and some dimensions to copy from ;)
@wmc7870
@wmc7870 Ай бұрын
Acosta is exciting to watch, and to hear binder and miller talk about him the way they do he seems to be the real deal even on the big bike
@RotarySMP
@RotarySMP Ай бұрын
He certainly made Marquez and Bagnaia look pretty ordinary in Portugal
@wmc7870
@wmc7870 Ай бұрын
@@RotarySMP apparently pecco was having chatter problems in Portugal, maybe Ducati are letting him and Martin share problems out 🙂. I don't like seeing anyone get hurt but it's just not the same if there isn't some excitement from an 'alien' style rider. Nothing more boring than someone doing a disappearing act at the front. I think that aldeguer might bring a good bit of competition for Pedro next year... But it's early days in the season to be wishing for next year's competition!
@RotarySMP
@RotarySMP Ай бұрын
@@wmc7870 Yeah, the contrast to F1 couldn't be more extreme. The MotoGP is so tight with three bikes and probably 10 riders who can win on any weekend. Brilliant.
@mechaform
@mechaform Ай бұрын
Don’t know why I’m only just discovering your channel. Great project. Nice lathe!
@RotarySMP
@RotarySMP Ай бұрын
Welcome aboard! It really is a dream lathe. I have a whole playlist on my modification to LinuxCNC.
@stragenmitsuko
@stragenmitsuko Ай бұрын
so nice to see a clarkson in action . I have avery rare MKIII .
@RotarySMP
@RotarySMP Ай бұрын
Oh nice. That is a very tasty machine.
@dazaspc
@dazaspc Ай бұрын
MMM M2.5 taps are nearly as strong as a piece of dried spaghetti. I would hate to think of how many I have broken.
@RotarySMP
@RotarySMP Ай бұрын
Yeah, and almost not feedback that it is binding up.
@physicsguybrian
@physicsguybrian Ай бұрын
Excellent! Cutter turned out super nice!!! Well done good Sir!
@RotarySMP
@RotarySMP Ай бұрын
Thanks for the kind feedback Brian.
@physicsguybrian
@physicsguybrian Ай бұрын
@@RotarySMP Most welcome!
@hiltonhayward4088
@hiltonhayward4088 Ай бұрын
This was actually a very interesting video to watch...really cool
@RotarySMP
@RotarySMP Ай бұрын
Glad you enjoyed it.
@hiltonhayward4088
@hiltonhayward4088 Ай бұрын
All the way from Cape Town South Africa 🌍🇿🇦
@ogaugeclockwork4407
@ogaugeclockwork4407 Ай бұрын
Nice tool! If you use that cutter and you have the bottom engaged as well as the side, there is a good chance all hell will break loose. Chatter. I have made these before and found that if you want or need to also have the bottom engaged you might need to use a DCMT insert. The commercial versions that use TCMT have the insert at a slight angle to the axis, providing clearance for the inner bottom edge, but this also means that the dovetail face is not quite flat.
@RotarySMP
@RotarySMP Ай бұрын
The dovetail slots I need will be roughed out first with and end mill, and also have a relief groove 28mm wide and 0.5mm deep, in the middle which will reduce the rubbing of the dovetail cutter, which will only feed sideways.
@jimsvideos7201
@jimsvideos7201 Ай бұрын
Fun fact, Johansen himself was one of three people who was allowed to walk into Henry Ford's office unannounced. The others were his son and if I recall correctly his lawyer.
@RotarySMP
@RotarySMP Ай бұрын
Hi Jim, I like that bit of useless info. Thanks :)
@stevensmart8868
@stevensmart8868 Ай бұрын
Nice work on that cutter. My wife does a great rhubarb crumble also.
@edsmachine93
@edsmachine93 Ай бұрын
Nice work. Good tool. I have seen some made with 3 inserts. I like the 4 like you did.👍 Have a good week.
@RotarySMP
@RotarySMP Ай бұрын
Thank you! Cheers!
@somebodyelse6673
@somebodyelse6673 Ай бұрын
Toolmaking is the best!
@RotarySMP
@RotarySMP Ай бұрын
Thanks, but that is Stefan Gotteswinters channel :)
@MakarovFox
@MakarovFox Ай бұрын
lovely to see the lathe working so great
@RotarySMP
@RotarySMP Ай бұрын
Thank you! Cheers! It is a nice tool.
@ceesweerheim990
@ceesweerheim990 Ай бұрын
I grew up in the Netherlands in the Mid 70's and a shifting spanner was refered to as a Bacho stil have them
@RotarySMP
@RotarySMP Ай бұрын
I grew up with my Dad calling them Crescents. I think that was a common US brand.
@bulletproofpepper2
@bulletproofpepper2 Ай бұрын
Thanks for sharing, nice job.
@RotarySMP
@RotarySMP Ай бұрын
Thanks for watching!
@MattBaker1965
@MattBaker1965 Ай бұрын
awesome cutter well done !
@RotarySMP
@RotarySMP Ай бұрын
Thank you very much Matt.
@seamusbolton215
@seamusbolton215 Ай бұрын
Excellent video, really enjoyable
@RotarySMP
@RotarySMP Ай бұрын
Glad you enjoyed it Seamus. Thanks.
@freestyla101
@freestyla101 Ай бұрын
Loved this video and I plan to make the same. From memory my tool holder dovetails measure 11mm or so and I wasn’t sure if the 11mm cutting face tcmt would do the job. Next size up is 16mm.
@RotarySMP
@RotarySMP Ай бұрын
If your Dovetail height is 11mm, you will need the TCMT16's. The TCMT 11 are about 9.5mm high. It has been pointed out that by moving the cutting edge so far forward of the plane through the center (4.4mm), my cutter will actually cut a slight radius on the dovetail face. I was trying to ensure I had enough clearance to prevent rubbing on the rear edge. I screwed up and made it 4.4mm instead of the intended 2mm. Probably not relevant in this static use case, but if you need to meachine a sliding way, keep the cutting edge closer to the center line. The 7° clearance angle on TCMT means you could probably get away with on CL, as long as your cutter diameter is above about 30mm.
@freestyla101
@freestyla101 Ай бұрын
@@RotarySMP I see. Isn’t the tcmt11 cutting face 11mm? Or at least that’s what I’m seeing in the engineers book.
@voltairegoethe
@voltairegoethe Ай бұрын
Moto GP??? I'm concerned about that DoAll Bandsaw's comeback! Pray without ceasing says the GoodBook.
@RotarySMP
@RotarySMP Ай бұрын
Yes, I still need to pull the gearbox apart again, but there are other projects I need to do first.
@mike9500
@mike9500 Ай бұрын
nice tool man!
@RotarySMP
@RotarySMP Ай бұрын
Thanks Mike.
@Myrulv
@Myrulv Ай бұрын
Nice video as always. You should try making soup of the rubarb. Cold rubarb soup is really nice. In Norway we still have snow in the garden.
@RotarySMP
@RotarySMP Ай бұрын
Good idea. I need to try that. We only got a couple of snow days this winter.
@MikelNaUsaCom
@MikelNaUsaCom Ай бұрын
Thumbs up! Spectacular.
@RotarySMP
@RotarySMP Ай бұрын
Thank you Mike! Cheers!
@TrPrecisionMachining
@TrPrecisionMachining Ай бұрын
very good video RotarySMP
@RotarySMP
@RotarySMP Ай бұрын
Thanks.
@chadstrand7868
@chadstrand7868 Ай бұрын
great video thanks for sharing
@RotarySMP
@RotarySMP Ай бұрын
Thanks for your kind feedback Chad.
@ObservationofLimits
@ObservationofLimits Ай бұрын
Very nice tool
@RotarySMP
@RotarySMP Ай бұрын
Thanks for the kind feedback.
@jimsvideos7201
@jimsvideos7201 Ай бұрын
Great job on the cutter though, works like a dream.
@RotarySMP
@RotarySMP Ай бұрын
Hi Jim, yes it does! Really happy with the result. Hope it holds up to all the tool holders.
@dlstanf2
@dlstanf2 Ай бұрын
One of my nastiest injuries came from parting off with a hacksaw. At the very end of the cut, I realized too late, I tried to keep the blade from going all the way through the cut. But, the hook that was left on the part, and my trying to pull back, grabbed my index nail at the root and yanked the entire nail off. Ouch!! So, get a parting inset.
@RotarySMP
@RotarySMP Ай бұрын
Ouch. I have cut a lot of metal with a hacksaw, and consider it one of the less dangerous tools in my basement.
@billdoodson4232
@billdoodson4232 Ай бұрын
That EN24 seems to machine a lot better than it cuts with a hacksaw.
@RotarySMP
@RotarySMP Ай бұрын
Thanks Bill. It is pretty tough steel.
@zadabjlil2281
@zadabjlil2281 Ай бұрын
Amazing and good 👍👍
@RotarySMP
@RotarySMP Ай бұрын
Thank you so much 😀
@sintaxera
@sintaxera Ай бұрын
I have three of those hacksaws, think they were $20 NZD. love them
@RotarySMP
@RotarySMP Ай бұрын
They really are good. Plastic fantastic.
@stretchhfab7315
@stretchhfab7315 Ай бұрын
With labor rate at 150$ an hour in my shop, it's cheaper to just buy the right tool I need. I make plenty of custom tooling for myself, but they make dovetails in the size you want.
@RotarySMP
@RotarySMP Ай бұрын
This is just a hobby for me, and learning what to do right or wrong is just as important as the result in many cases.
@joell439
@joell439 Ай бұрын
Nice project 👍👍😎👍👍
@RotarySMP
@RotarySMP Ай бұрын
Thank you! Cheers Joel.
@MyMiniHomeWorkshop
@MyMiniHomeWorkshop Ай бұрын
Nice tool, I have a draw full of chipped end mills that need sharpening and I don't have a Tool & Cutter Grinder and can't afford to buy one, so I guess I'll have to try and build one. 😜 I built my Mill and Lathe, so how hard can a Tool and Cutter grinder be. I would give them to a Toolmaker to do, but I can't find one around here. 👍
@RotarySMP
@RotarySMP Ай бұрын
I guess you already now of the Tinker or the Quorn T&C grinders? Both can do as much or more than the Clarkson. They are very flexible machines.
@MyMiniHomeWorkshop
@MyMiniHomeWorkshop Ай бұрын
@@RotarySMPI knew about the Quorn, because Matty from Matty's workshop built one, but I have a very tight budget and I tend to try to get around that by just building stuff myself. I'm always up for a challenge. I recently finished building a Spin Indexer which came out pretty well. 👍
@RotarySMP
@RotarySMP Ай бұрын
@@MyMiniHomeWorkshopThere are plans floating around the internet for a Quorn style, but without castings. You dont really need a kitset, the parts can be hogged out of plate, and bar.
@MyMiniHomeWorkshop
@MyMiniHomeWorkshop Ай бұрын
@@RotarySMPI make my own Aluminium castings anyway using the Lost Foam method, so that isn't an issue. 👍
@GeoffTV2
@GeoffTV2 Ай бұрын
That worked great, a really nice looking cutter too. The lathe made a fab job of the turning work. When you chose a 60 degree insert at the beginning I did wonder if that would be OK. I was thinking that a more acute angle (e.g. 55) would be needed - mounted to provide a 5 degree relief at the bottom. In my mind this would mean the cutter wouldn't rub at the bottom but clearly it worked no problem. - Heather
@RotarySMP
@RotarySMP Ай бұрын
When I make the tool holders, Schaublin put a wide relief groove down the center, so the cutter will not be rubbing over it's whole diameter. I am surprised my cutter survived it's first contact with me :)
@GeoffTV2
@GeoffTV2 Ай бұрын
@@RotarySMP Oh yes I saw that relief. Your tool not only survived it survived while doing a massive cut and did even seem to make any horrid sounds..
@RotarySMP
@RotarySMP Ай бұрын
@@GeoffTV2The Maho is a real beast. I only push it by mistake :)
@pgjuzek
@pgjuzek Ай бұрын
that was a one shy cutter! good job though!
@RotarySMP
@RotarySMP Ай бұрын
Thanks! I am happy how it came out.
@SELG88
@SELG88 Ай бұрын
man you went to vacations recently right? and you also visited some shops? how do you manage dude i gotta know cause you are a rockstar on my eyes
@RotarySMP
@RotarySMP Ай бұрын
Thanks for you kind words. After the video is before the video. As soon as one is finished, I am straight into working on the next one. You kind of get into a rythym of it, but year, I don't do a lot other than work and this.
@user-bp2xq7qd2b
@user-bp2xq7qd2b Ай бұрын
Good man
@RotarySMP
@RotarySMP Ай бұрын
Thanks for watching it.
@darkmann12
@darkmann12 Ай бұрын
Maybe you could mill a couple flats into the Clarkson's spindle?
@RotarySMP
@RotarySMP Ай бұрын
Yeah, that needs to go on the to-do list.
@SirHackaL0t.
@SirHackaL0t. Ай бұрын
The mains hum is strong in this one. It must drive you nuts.
@RotarySMP
@RotarySMP Ай бұрын
You noticed it well Clint, I nomally put on my ear defenders, as much for the hum, as for the cutting noise.
@rogerrascal8632
@rogerrascal8632 Ай бұрын
Just thought I heard you say Peter Acosta? It's Pedro Acosta FYI if if heard wrong apologies. Nice work BTW !!
@RotarySMP
@RotarySMP Ай бұрын
Hi Roger, I thought I said Pedro, but am not the clearest speaker :) He sure made Pekko and Marquez look pretty ordinary on sunday didn't he.
@rogerrascal8632
@rogerrascal8632 Ай бұрын
@@RotarySMP No worries mate, yes Acosta will make a big impression this year, I think he may even be up in the top 3 at the end of the season. He is very young and talented!! Great work on the video too, love how you leave the 'mistakes' in the post, with the cussing as well , funny because we all do it! Cheers
@RotarySMP
@RotarySMP Ай бұрын
@@rogerrascal8632 Thanks a lot Roger. Acosta reminds a lot of a young Marquez or Dani Pedrosa. Wonder whether he will become a serial world champion, or just a nearly champion.
@chrisfairbrother9197
@chrisfairbrother9197 Ай бұрын
The finger on your cutter grinder looks too thick. It won’t help you have enough feel on smaller cutters as it is too rigid. We used broken hacksaw blades as fingers. The tap wrench was way too big for the tap. You need to use a small “t” type tap wrench for those tiny taps. (Trying to be helpful comments) . The dovetail cutter worked very well. I bet you were pleased 😊
@RotarySMP
@RotarySMP Ай бұрын
Thanks Chris. You are right, that finger came with it, and was made from power hacksaw blade. I even have a worn out hand hacksaw blade sitting next to the Clarkson ready to be reshaped. That was the smallest tap wrench on hand. The first cutter had some feel to it. The second one I got to confident, and turned to fast and the inertia hid the feel. Dumb mistake. But I am pretty happy with the result.
@car9167
@car9167 Ай бұрын
your live center is wobbling like crazy. Not sure what precision you can accomplish with that...
@RotarySMP
@RotarySMP Ай бұрын
The center is fine. A three jaw chuck is not a precision work holding device, so remounting a turned part in it will always have runout.
@car9167
@car9167 Ай бұрын
@@RotarySMP So you're saying the three jaw chuck has the part not centered and is forcing the live center out of round and wobbling? I understand that but what I'm saying is your turning on the right side is not concentric with the center on the right. Not sure if it matters in your application though
@camillosteuss
@camillosteuss Ай бұрын
You really should make a way cover solution for that Schaublin lathe... A great little machine, but Schaublin really has some mental people in the design and details department... I`ve been watching Stefan`s videos for quite a while, and those compound slides by Schau that he worked on are also made in a stupid way in regards to oil grooves... To be precise, the grooves are made in such a way that they leave a high spot over time in a section, which then galls the rest of the slide should you actuate it towards the more extreme ends of the travel... I really can`t see as to why would such a reputable company make such design faults and oversights with one of the most fundamental parts of the machine - the lubrication setup... Otherwise, a nice project! This type of cutter has been in mind for quite a while now, but i never got to making it as i am atm just sitting in my car and waiting for my girl... I mean, doing other shit and preparing for building of a new shop to actually fit all my machines... All the best and kind regards! Steuss Edit- speaking of that mill that your friend has got, i commented on your last video, those machines by Prvomajska are supposedly of extremely good quality, at least material-wise... Tho, i was referring to a 90degree head for Luke, rather than this machine specifically... Who knew, i speak of them one day and the other day, there is one that you run into...
@RotarySMP
@RotarySMP Ай бұрын
Hi Steuss. I clean and lubricate a lot, especially to have little my machines have to work.
@camillosteuss
@camillosteuss Ай бұрын
@@RotarySMP I get that, but nothing beats a proper cover set... You just rely on the one shot oiler sys and the covers take care of everything else for at least a couple of years, just be sure to cover the machined surfaces with some rust inhibitor agent like the boeshield t9 or similar to prevent any crap developing away from sight... It also then allows you to use grinders and similar terrors near the machines without any chance of it causing issues in any way... And once again, i`m in love with that 4 end massive toolpost... Such a majestic piece... I quite like the other smaller single ended toolholder you got there... Some quite nice components...
@JanneRanta
@JanneRanta Ай бұрын
Dont have flats for wrench? Sounds like a good excuse for a project to me 🙂
@RotarySMP
@RotarySMP Ай бұрын
Yeah, I need that on the Clarkson to-do list.
@bobmac9070
@bobmac9070 Ай бұрын
There are a number of companies that have these as a stock item of the shelf, why make it when you can have one tomorrow? Dorian Tool , Penn Tool, You can also buy them on line for 40-$50.00 what s your time worth vs just buying it!
@RotarySMP
@RotarySMP Ай бұрын
Not sure that you can get an insert cutter like this in Europe for €40-50, or tomorrow, but this is a hobby, so I am happy to learn how to make one, and make a video of it. I took a look, and it seem an insert dovetail cutter is more like €500.
@joansparky4439
@joansparky4439 Ай бұрын
Have u checked the dovetail angle after cutting it? If the TCMT11 insert's cutting blade plane is on the rotation axis the insert will rub on the dovetail that is being cut in the upper part, but the dovetail angle will be correct. To prevent rubbing the insert is better placed half its thickness above that plane (it's center plane then contains the rotation axis), but this affects the cutting envelope and subsequently the resulting dovetail angle, so the insert needs to be rotated in its seat to compensate.. it's a bit tricky.
@joansparky4439
@joansparky4439 Ай бұрын
PS: if the inserts back plane contains the rotation axis to prevent rubbing (or it's even further ahead as is visible in 16:55 , plane of back of opposite inserts are like 5mm apart) then the cutting envelope will NOT create a 60 deg dovetail..
@joansparky4439
@joansparky4439 Ай бұрын
PPS: one naturally can compensate for this wrong angle by rotating the work slightly so the correct angle is being cut.. so not all is lost.
@joansparky4439
@joansparky4439 Ай бұрын
PPPS: thinking even further about this I wonder if the cutting edge of inserts that are very far ahead of the plane that contains the rotation axis are actually still cutting a planar dovetail or if the resulting face actually has a curve to it?!
@joansparky4439
@joansparky4439 Ай бұрын
hm.. the best and easiest approach for hobby is probably to put the cutting blade plane on the rotation axis, mill the whole thing, install the blades and then go to a cutter/grinder and take off the parts of the inserts that stick out in the upper part of the cutter?!
@RotarySMP
@RotarySMP Ай бұрын
Thanks Joan. good point. Given this is not a sliding way, but a static clamping condition, time will tell whether the deviation affects use.
@purpleidea
@purpleidea Ай бұрын
Don't you have a mill? Add a wrench flat onto your clarkson! =D
@RotarySMP
@RotarySMP Ай бұрын
Yeah, that needs to go on the to-do list.
@ozgurgulderen
@ozgurgulderen Ай бұрын
It seems that your tool has high negative rake angle from video. Draw a line from tip of th insert to the center of the cutter at the bottom and check the angle. Zero rake would work better as insert has a profile with positive rake.
@RotarySMP
@RotarySMP Ай бұрын
Yes, I overdid it a bit, avoiding insufficient clearance but reduced rake. Seems to work fine wiht this geometry, as the Maho is pretty stiff.
@cooperised
@cooperised Ай бұрын
If the cutting edge is not precisely on the centreline (and it looks like it isn't, for clearance I assume) won't that affect the dovetail angle? I wouldn't be surprised to find that it didn't cut a 60º dovetail.
@RotarySMP
@RotarySMP Ай бұрын
Yeah, it was for clearance, although I screwed up and gave it more clearance (4.4mm ahead of the CL) than I planned (2mm). It will cut a curved surface. I need to see whether it will make much difference on a static clamping surface like this. On a sliding way, it would cause more scraping.
@cooperised
@cooperised Ай бұрын
@@RotarySMP Thanks for the reply! (Love your channel btw.) I'm not sure it'll cut a curved surface... effectively the insert is rotated relative to a line through the axis of the tool's rotation, and taken to its limit with the cutter at 90º that would produce a vertical surface (if it still cut, which of course it wouldn't). So I think it'll still be straight, but not 60º. But then again the geometry of this kind of stuff ties my brain in knots so who knows.
@RotarySMP
@RotarySMP Ай бұрын
@@cooperised Yeah me too. Another viewer was talking about it being a curved surface. Your description sounds more plausible. I how this similar to a cosine error where the initial deviation is very minor and I can ignore it :)
@cooperised
@cooperised Ай бұрын
@@RotarySMP Fingers crossed eh! If I wasn't on holiday with the family I'd fire up the ol' CAD and model it to see what the effect of that offset was. But I am so I won't. I'm interested though. Shame you can't just use the same cutter for both mating parts, and then the angle wouldn't matter anyway!
@istasyonninsani
@istasyonninsani Ай бұрын
Nohut Haşlama ? Afiyet olsun :)
@RotarySMP
@RotarySMP Ай бұрын
I like chick peas and hummus :)
@peterhadfield873
@peterhadfield873 Ай бұрын
Having done the head scratching trying to make a smaller diameter insert dovetail cutter I realised that if the cutting edge of the insert isn't on the centre line of the cutter then you don't get a 60 degree cone, you get a slightly curved face of slightly more than 60 degrees... have you found yours to be close enough? I ask as the geometry of yours is a whole lot easier to make. thanks for sharing.
@RotarySMP
@RotarySMP Ай бұрын
I moved the cutting edge forward of the centerline to ensure back clearance. Might have overdone that. Then again, this is a static tool holder, rather than a guide way, so I expect less than perfect area contact to still perform okay.
@joansparky4439
@joansparky4439 Ай бұрын
as per my other comment.. the most simple solution (to avoid the curved resulting face) would probably be to put the inserts cutting edge plane onto the rotation axis (milling geometry then is pretty simple as well), create the cutter, install the inserts and use a tool&cutter grinder to grind off any spots of the inserts in the upper area that would otherwise rub?!
@peterhadfield873
@peterhadfield873 Ай бұрын
@@joansparky4439 simple if youve got a tcg , less so if not! :-)
@joansparky4439
@joansparky4439 Ай бұрын
@@peterhadfield873 I'm aware.. but with the outcome being flat dovetails (and not curved ones) it might be worthwhile? I mean, even that small d-bit grinder from CHN I got should be able to do this.. price wise on-par with my 180x300 mini-lathe. I'm sure a lot of people who are able to make their own dovetail-insert cutters rock much heavier metal than this?
@larryschweitzer4904
@larryschweitzer4904 Ай бұрын
I'd like to have your cutter grinder. I've got a Chinese knock off of a Dekle that sort of works. but I find frustrating.
@RotarySMP
@RotarySMP Ай бұрын
The Clarkson can also be pretty frustrating. I guess it is the nature of cutter grinders with their multiple degrees of freedom, that they are not that easy to set up.
@claeswikberg8958
@claeswikberg8958 Ай бұрын
is that an effect of the camera shutter, or did you have that much throwout on the revolving center at 2:21?
@RotarySMP
@RotarySMP Ай бұрын
It was runout Claes. It was only chucked up in the three jaw, and they are never that precise.
@johnsherborne3245
@johnsherborne3245 Ай бұрын
What about drilling two radial holes in the Clarkson shaft for a C spanner?
@RotarySMP
@RotarySMP Ай бұрын
Good idea John. I need to put something on the Clarkson to-do list.
@johnsherborne3245
@johnsherborne3245 Ай бұрын
@@RotarySMP ironically I have only the bits you are missing. Inherited with my lathe, but I had hopes of creating a slide and using it with ER collets as you do. Dopey bought a 25mm shaft not 1”!
@johnsherborne3245
@johnsherborne3245 Ай бұрын
@@RotarySMP are you short of things to do? I doubt it!
@RotarySMP
@RotarySMP Ай бұрын
@@johnsherborne3245Not really. As fast as things get worked off my to-do list white board, other things are added.
@kristofpucejdl
@kristofpucejdl Ай бұрын
1:26 Chris might have the lead in the graphics but I prefer your sound effects! Btw is there any chance I could reach out to Franz regarding the Prvomajska? We have a similar, possibly a gen older mill at the university in not so good condition and I am trying to make it usable again. Insights from the pro would be very much appreciated.
@RotarySMP
@RotarySMP Ай бұрын
Hi Kris, thanks. Drop me a line (Email address on the channel start page), and I will put you in touch with Franz.
@kristofpucejdl
@kristofpucejdl Ай бұрын
@@RotarySMP I might be slow Mark but could you point me once more to the email? I browsed your channel tabs and cant see any but patreon links. Or maybe thats a way of letting me I should donate (I totally should and will btw haha).
@RotarySMP
@RotarySMP Ай бұрын
@@kristofpucejdlKZfaq keeps changing that. If you click on the "... and one more" after the paypal link, then the page with the email address comes up.
@kristofpucejdl
@kristofpucejdl Ай бұрын
@@RotarySMP email sent :)
@rycudas
@rycudas Ай бұрын
I'm assuming the answer is "Because it'll rip your arm off" but is there a reason no-one uses the lathe under power with a hacksaw when using one to part off?
@RotarySMP
@RotarySMP Ай бұрын
Good point, safety note taken. Turn off machine first. Thanks.
@Quagmire0815
@Quagmire0815 Ай бұрын
hier in Hessen hats geschneit heute..... und in Österreich blühen die Blumen 😳
@RotarySMP
@RotarySMP Ай бұрын
Es war wieder ein recht milde Winter heuer.
@kiwishamoo6494
@kiwishamoo6494 Ай бұрын
Kia Ora bro, where are you in Europe?
@RotarySMP
@RotarySMP Ай бұрын
G'day. Vienna.
@Kyran31
@Kyran31 Ай бұрын
Any reason you didn’t just 3D mill the insert pocket using fusion? Using a tip rad cutter?
@RotarySMP
@RotarySMP Ай бұрын
Since I monetised my channel, I can't use the hobby license of Fusion, but dont generate anywhere near enough revenue to justify a commerical license. I have a 20 year seat of FeatureCam. Not the most productive tool paths, but it is a hobby, and I am patient.
@Kyran31
@Kyran31 Ай бұрын
@@RotarySMP ahh makes sense, didn’t even cross my mind you couldn’t use fusion
@RotarySMP
@RotarySMP Ай бұрын
@@Kyran31That is also why I use FreeCAD for modelling.
@LongnoseRob
@LongnoseRob Ай бұрын
So was that angle now right or not? Or will the be the cliffhanger for next episode?
@RotarySMP
@RotarySMP Ай бұрын
Nope. I only set 3.5°. But the inserts are snug and held firmly, so that was lucky.
@624Dudley
@624Dudley Ай бұрын
@@RotarySMPY’know, I was wondering about that…looked like 1° per division on that scale rather than 2°. Must re-watch 🧐
@RotarySMP
@RotarySMP Ай бұрын
@@624DudleyI only noticed when editing that I cant read a simple scale. Duh! :)
@timhatch1299
@timhatch1299 Ай бұрын
2:28 is that a camera artifact or is your tailstock wiggling?
@RotarySMP
@RotarySMP Ай бұрын
three jaw chucks are not precise tools, so there is some run out when you grip an existing part like this.
@timhatch1299
@timhatch1299 Ай бұрын
Sure, but shouldn't a preloaded and locked tailstock force that end to be centered?
@martinmaurach300
@martinmaurach300 Ай бұрын
VGV linkage inspection @ intro?
@RotarySMP
@RotarySMP Ай бұрын
Good spotting Martin :)
@antongyrt4814
@antongyrt4814 Ай бұрын
Это если ласт хвост 60°, а если ласт хвост 55°, какую пластину можно использовать?
@RotarySMP
@RotarySMP Ай бұрын
Я думаю, вы могли бы сделать его со вставкой VCMT?
@julias-shed
@julias-shed Ай бұрын
Seems to like the abuse 😀 nicely done
@RotarySMP
@RotarySMP Ай бұрын
Thank Julia. Surprisingly robust this one :)
@michaelwillis1832
@michaelwillis1832 Ай бұрын
Why don't you bolt a spare tripod to your ceiling or better yet a nice bracket and quick release so you can hace your camera up out of the way?
@RotarySMP
@RotarySMP Ай бұрын
Hi Micheal. I have some nato rail bolted like that, but had a light mounted on it. I really need to redo the who lighting and camera mount set up around the mill, as it is a bit of a PITA.
@ObservationofLimits
@ObservationofLimits Ай бұрын
Question: Why not drill the screw hole all the way through? Granted, I know you'll be the only one using it and *probably* not leaving it lying around with no anvil or screw in it. I just worked a place where we had to machine many of our own parts and features for old machines, and *someone* would always lose anvils for the tool holders, so swapping between a LH RH Center he'd take the anvil off another one, leave it on the carriage, then pack it full of chips (we had to machine metal, epoxy resin, other non-ferrous materials that make nasty dust that cements when wet/oiled). So many of our tooling bars we wasted time picking clean that we eventually through drilled them all. This also let us use any length screw since the different holders sometimes had a screw 1mm different and well, you guessed it, if he was losing anvils he was losing screws and then F@#$king the next guy over because the inserts wouldn't actually be clamped tight.
@RotarySMP
@RotarySMP Ай бұрын
Good point, I didn't think of that. I was more concerned with that little 2.1mm drill breaking off in the hole as it exited on the sloped surface.
@antongyrt4814
@antongyrt4814 Ай бұрын
18:19 я маленькие метчики всегда зажимаю в маленький патрон и кручу пальцами.
@RotarySMP
@RotarySMP Ай бұрын
Хороший совет. Спасибо Anton.
@cho4d
@cho4d Ай бұрын
wow, that's a big cut... heh maho doesn't care at all :D
@RotarySMP
@RotarySMP Ай бұрын
Yeah, I miscalculated, and the Maho was like, "steel, what steel?"
@filopat67
@filopat67 Ай бұрын
5:24 It almost bite you there.
@RotarySMP
@RotarySMP Ай бұрын
It looks like it from that camera angle, but I was careful to have the force guiding my hand well past the blade.
@jamierussell6051
@jamierussell6051 Ай бұрын
Slipkaw parallel pliers Nice! We call them Channel Locks . Great show brother! MACHINISTS FOR TRUMP 🇺🇲 WWG1WGA 🇺🇲
@RotarySMP
@RotarySMP Ай бұрын
Those Knippex slip jaws are really handy.
@iteerrex8166
@iteerrex8166 Ай бұрын
What that 11:30 a joke? Convert it to 7 metric degrees 😂
@RotarySMP
@RotarySMP Ай бұрын
Either that, or I am an idiot who cant read a scale :/
@iteerrex8166
@iteerrex8166 Ай бұрын
Oh I didn’t notice the mistake. I was laughing at the conversion comment, cause metric and imperial degrees are the same, and thought you were making a joke.
@RotarySMP
@RotarySMP Ай бұрын
@@iteerrex8166Glad you enjoyed that. :)
@iteerrex8166
@iteerrex8166 Ай бұрын
@@RotarySMP It seems like you didn’t intend for a joke, so I’m not sure what you meant there then. But anyways, great cutter. Looking forward to making the parts. Cheers 👍
@RotarySMP
@RotarySMP Ай бұрын
@@iteerrex8166I only worked out in the edit that I had screwed up and set only half the angle I wanted.
@RB-yq7qv
@RB-yq7qv Ай бұрын
@RotarySMP
@RotarySMP Ай бұрын
Thanks for that :)
@johannesfiftyeight9287
@johannesfiftyeight9287 Ай бұрын
15:11 #@*&!!! Still not as bad as a broken tap... Doch!
@RotarySMP
@RotarySMP Ай бұрын
There was no warning sign, normally on larger ones you can feel it nipping up, but here the resistance was minimal.
@cyrusramsey4741
@cyrusramsey4741 Ай бұрын
My hacksaw got replaced by a reciprocating saw.
@RotarySMP
@RotarySMP Ай бұрын
Mine was supposed to be replaced by the band saw, but that bit was small enough that it was done in no time with the hack saw.
@cyrusramsey4741
@cyrusramsey4741 Ай бұрын
@@RotarySMP Band saws can't always hold onto what you want to cut, which reminds me of another thing I need to make 😆
@RotarySMP
@RotarySMP Ай бұрын
@@cyrusramsey4741 Did you see last weeks video? Luke did a nice mod on his cut off saw to improve clamping of small parts.
@cyrusramsey4741
@cyrusramsey4741 Ай бұрын
@@RotarySMP Oh great, I'll have to check it out, thanks 😄
@wyohman00
@wyohman00 Ай бұрын
Clickspring makes everything look easy....argh!
@RotarySMP
@RotarySMP Ай бұрын
He sure does. Wonderful workmanship.
@clubdjmarcus
@clubdjmarcus Ай бұрын
Yeah ... That cutter will not cut a real straight angle. It might look 60 degree but it will be somewhat bowed because of that huge off center cutting flutes. If the cutting edges are straight on a rotating tool they need to be on center, if you need them to be off center for whatever reason then they need to be set at a compound angle or helical. It's just maths ... But nice try. You could still salvage it I guess
@RotarySMP
@RotarySMP Ай бұрын
Yep... kzfaq.info/get/bejne/h8mCotmHr77Sg58.html
@nilzlima3027
@nilzlima3027 Ай бұрын
might you be interested in making another one for someone else? that person being me...
@RotarySMP
@RotarySMP Ай бұрын
Sorry, I already moved on to the next video, and am so busy I will not be able to revisit that.
@nilzlima3027
@nilzlima3027 Ай бұрын
@@RotarySMPis that next video by chance how you set up production for those fancy cutters on your sweet cnc setup? that would be interesting too..... just sayin'.
@RotarySMP
@RotarySMP Ай бұрын
@@nilzlima3027On it :)
@hk74654
@hk74654 Ай бұрын
I'd have loved to watch MotoGP, but ServusTV stopped broadcasting in Germany, so F'in Sky TV of all scumbag companies scooped up the exclusive rights to broadcast MotoGP in Germany, meaning I also can't just go to ServusTVs streaming site, since that just tells me it's not available in my country. So I guess I'll just watch the highlights this season since I'm not about to burn 30€ a month on Sky just to watch a few hours on a few weekends. Screw 'em.
@RotarySMP
@RotarySMP Ай бұрын
Or use a VPN to set your country to Austria? They are still broad casting it here on TV and live streaming online.
@user-ale7723
@user-ale7723 Ай бұрын
😂😂😂 الجاحض المفتهن
@RotarySMP
@RotarySMP Ай бұрын
Google translates that to "the ignorant and the slanderer". I am not sure what that means in this context.
@user-ale7723
@user-ale7723 Ай бұрын
@@RotarySMP No, on the contrary, you are an artist, but you like elegance and slowness in your work
@RotarySMP
@RotarySMP Ай бұрын
@@user-ale7723Thanks for your kind feedback. I have never used google translate from Arabic before. Between English-and German it is pretty good.
@user-ale7723
@user-ale7723 Ай бұрын
@@RotarySMP It's okay, my friend, I wish you success and success always
@RotarySMP
@RotarySMP Ай бұрын
Thank you. I wish you great success as well.
@ll6261
@ll6261 Ай бұрын
Unmöglich. Erst mal Ausrichten.
@RotarySMP
@RotarySMP Ай бұрын
Verstehe ich nicht?
@vincei4252
@vincei4252 Ай бұрын
G'day mate! Regarding the Hacksaw, I'll be in England in April so might try to snag one while I'm there. I know it's a false economy considering how much the plane ticket was The new lathe is running beautifully. It's weird not seeing you tinkering with it! [edit] The hacksaw in the UK is 15 pounds on Amazon. I think I'll get a couple and prepare to be stopped by customs and "bOrDEr sECuriTy" on the way back to the states 🤔
@RotarySMP
@RotarySMP Ай бұрын
Hi Vince, I still have plenty of tinkering to do, but it is much more usable than it was before I made the control panel.
@pawekowalski7469
@pawekowalski7469 Ай бұрын
👍 subscribe😀
@RotarySMP
@RotarySMP Ай бұрын
Welcome. Hope you find other videos you like here. :)
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