Roth-Steyr 1907 Pistol

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Roth-Steyr 1907 Pistol

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We had the chance to dig into a Roth Steyr 1907 selfloading pistol recently, and put together a video on it. The pistol is quite unusual, with a fixed internal magazine, rotating barrel locking system, and quasi-double action trigger mechanism (actually quite similar to modern striker-fire pistol trigger mechanisms).
The successor to the 1907 was the Steyr 1912 (aka Steyr-Hahn), which shares its rotating barrel system, but uses a conventional hammer-fired trigger mechanism. Other rotating-barrel pistols have been tried, but none of them have been particularly successful.
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@ForgottenWeapons 11 жыл бұрын

Remember that many of the weird designs of the early 1900s were done in part to avoid the patents held by Browning covering many of the more simple and effective operating mechanisms.

@TheSuburban15 9 жыл бұрын

You can see it's ejecting pretty much straight up and back. Which is really convenient for finding brass. If you leave your mouth open as you shoot, you don't even have to crouch down to pick up your shells, which is nice. It's not a flaw, it's a feature.

@SgtKOnyx 8 жыл бұрын

Don't look directly at the bugs

@CurmudgeonExtraordinaire 6 жыл бұрын

It's also obviously not designed for buxom women to shoot with low cut shirts. :) I've seen that happen with modern firearms also. They sure do seem to jump around after that.

@Hawk1966 3 жыл бұрын

Also a similarity with Glock. Used a 19 at the range one time at it showed contempt for my left handedness by throwing hot casings at my forehead. Good times. . . Good times.

@ForgottenWeapons 11 жыл бұрын

Yes, of course we checked the pistol prior to filming.

@ForgottenWeapons 11 жыл бұрын

Yeah, it really does help. Those were significantly smoother to use than any other stripper clips I've used.

@ForgottenWeapons 11 жыл бұрын

Yes, it's been a very long time since there was a truly new idea in firearms design.

@ForgottenWeapons 11 жыл бұрын

It is semiautomatic, so firing a cartridge recocks the system. When you dry-fire the pistol, though, it has to be recocked manually.

@ForgottenWeapons 11 жыл бұрын

Cavalry would have been an elite group, and also much smaller in number than the infantry. That sort of group in a military force will often get a better or more expensive type of weaponry than the typical recruit.

@costantinoandruzzi2219 8 жыл бұрын

While the Roth-Steyr 1907 did not have a very long service time, it was the very first semi-automatic pistol to be adopted by the army of a major power. So it's quite an interesting piece of gun history!

@ForgottenWeapons 8 жыл бұрын

+Costantino Andruzzi Several significant countries adopted the Luger well before 1907.

@costantinoandruzzi2219 8 жыл бұрын

+Forgotten Weapons The Luger P08 was adopted by the Imperial German Navy in 1904 and by the Imperial German Army in 1908, so the Roth-Steyr 1907 was indeed the first semiautomatic pistol adopted by a major power's land forces.

@scrapingE-wastebyMarsi 8 жыл бұрын

+Forgotten Weapons Hi Forgotten Weapons,please help me to find out what unit use Roth-Steyr M1907 W-n 10 with marks on the right grip disc 22. L FH 86 I am a big fan of forgotten weaponds from Europe-Serbia(former Yugoslavia) and please help me with my problem with identifing the unit that use one of these that i oun. Sory for my bad English

@costantinoandruzzi2219 8 жыл бұрын

+Hagen So major they didn't take part in any World War! ;-) I'd say Switzerland has always had a significant military, not a major one.

@costantinoandruzzi2219 8 жыл бұрын

+Costantino Andruzzi I was actually just being ironic (see emoticon). Anyway I respect your opinion, which I nonetheless regard as a bit odd in terms of military history.

@OttoWeber71 9 жыл бұрын

Poor cameraman! I think he reviewed his entire life in just three seconds, when the old man gestured with the finger on the trigger! LOL Imagine the sweat on his forehead! The old man is camera shy, he lost his control. LOL Very good presentation, fully understandable functioning sequence. You just made me fall in love with Roth Steyr. Thanks. :)

@hardinhp 10 жыл бұрын

Ive never seen a striper clip work that nicely on a pistol

@ForgottenWeapons 10 жыл бұрын

Yep, it's definitely the best type I've ever used too. Very smooth. Or course, they are really rare today, and cost a couple hundred bucks each, if you can find them for sale. Sigh.

@scrapingE-wastebyMarsi 8 жыл бұрын

@bitcoinington172 10 жыл бұрын

These guys are the best, they're two of the small handful of people these days who understand the historical value of these weapons.

@wolf1066 9 жыл бұрын

What a beautiful pistol. Thanks for showing it in such detail and highlighting the intricacies of its mechanism. Love that little lever that ensures the pistol can only fire when the slide's fully forward and that's the first time I've ever seen a clip with a sliding bit to push down on. A lot of very careful thought went into the design of it.

@vidyaorszag 9 жыл бұрын

The three-pistol-issues and the saddle holsters sounds like a leftover from the days of flintlock pistols. Since they were single-shot and had long reload, cavalrymen often carried multiple pistols in order to have more shots since reloading black-powder weapons on horseback is nearly impossible. I guess they theorised that giving cavalrymen three semi-auto pistols would still be more convenient for cavalrymen in order to limit how often they would have to retreat and reload.

@piritskenyer 9 жыл бұрын

This gun has a really cool sound.

@insme 7 жыл бұрын

It's the echoing of the sound throughout the valley really.

@henry8smallwood 10 жыл бұрын

I love it. We hear about rotating-barrel designs in firearms history, but this is the first time I've seen the 1907 demonstrated. Thanks.

@Gyppor 10 жыл бұрын

You have a fantastic offering of disassembly and function videos! Excellent source of general firearms knowledge in addition to the historical value.

@nelg2 11 жыл бұрын

Thanks for the exhaustive analysis of the trigger mechanism and firing cycle. The amazing ingenuity of the engineers and inventors is always interesting.

@Treblaine 8 жыл бұрын

Yeaaahh, the way you're handling that gun right there...

@robnunya572 8 жыл бұрын

Ian, you look a bit nervous at his gun handling skills...

@berlinacosta1268 5 жыл бұрын

Rob Nunya finger on the trigger the whole time! I was cringing as well!!

@RedLegs13B. 5 жыл бұрын

Extremely cringy... You can tell it was peeving Ian, because he kept staring at his finger on the trigger lol.

@MrRiccardo1965 5 жыл бұрын

@@berlinacosta1268 and firing pin loaded !

@blucz883 5 жыл бұрын

If gun is not loaded you can have finger on the trigger as long as you can. If gun is loaded you can have finger on trigger if you pointing gun in safe direction.

@MrRiccardo1965 5 жыл бұрын

@@blucz883 no much better to put the finger in the trigger only when you want or need to shoot , even when the gun it is not loaded it is better to avoid the finger on trigger . Putting the finger on trigger it is like to put the hand close to a poisonous snake mouth , can bite you.......

@johntriplett4470 3 жыл бұрын

That is a ridiculously cool gun in every way. Great acoustics on that range too.

@ForgottenWeapons 11 жыл бұрын

Actually, Fiocchi still makes it new and you can pick it up from places like Midway..

@ForgottenWeapons 11 жыл бұрын

Anything? That's quite the tough choice...without taking too much time to consider, I would say either an 1884 Maxim or Mordecai Anielewicz' personal sidearm.

@JimFortune 3 жыл бұрын

I would have to say that Ian's production quality has improved over the years!

@Timblesink 10 жыл бұрын

I have a statistics exam tomorrow but I'm watching videos about guns instead. I feel this is probably the best way to spend my time.

@davidplatenkamp 10 жыл бұрын

Probably. Remember that 90 percent of statistics are made up on the spot.

@ravravensdale1963 8 жыл бұрын

when you mentioned it would be insanely expensive to make the slide now, i would have thought it would be cheaper now what with cnc machining, but of course tooling up would/could be expensive, as ever another fascinating and informative video Ian, thanks so much!!!

@Roark1234567890 11 жыл бұрын

i really like the rotating barrel designs. Something about them makes me say NEAT!

@ForgottenWeapons 11 жыл бұрын

If you check on GunBroker, you'll see them for $1250-$2000. The stripper clips are pretty rare, and bring probably a couple hundred bucks alone.

@skippyricardo 7 жыл бұрын

I genuinely get a warm tingling feeling when I see engineering / machining such as that! Thanks for all you do! I as well as many other have learned very much from your videos. Keep up the good work!

@AttemptMade 2 жыл бұрын

The firing pin safety is an excellent idea and would have made a great addition to the Maxim Silverman pistols, not only for added safety but also added mechanical delaying.

@Jay-Bass 11 жыл бұрын

This is an absolute fascinating design. The "internal" style of slide and rotating barrel coupled with all of the fine machining blew my mind.

@lafeelabriel 9 жыл бұрын

Thank you for taking the time to review a pistol that I have been interested in for quite some time^^

@Yojimbro71 6 жыл бұрын

I didn't think it was possible to muzzle sweep someone that many times WTF!?!😂😂😂

@anderwmarcell9503 11 жыл бұрын

Nice presentation. A bit of 07 Roth Steyr lore; they were issued to the Austrian Flying Corps in WW1; they were part of the Austrian war reparations in 1919, and they were very popular with the KuK (Imperial Army). You gave very good instructions on loading but here is how to unload it. Behind the lever which depresses the magazine floorplate there is a square checkered button. Pull back the bolt and depress this button.It locks the bolt in the open position. Depress the first lever to unload.

@gilterdonizete9604 9 жыл бұрын

splendid, very well explained the operation of pistol steyr roth. Thank you so much

@vbear8501 10 жыл бұрын

That was awesome. I love old firearms for their ingenuity and intricacy. Serious old school machining in old weapons. It would be crazy expensive today.

@pinz2022 10 жыл бұрын

That's what the 1st generation of auto pistols have in common. Insanely elaborate machining requirements. Thank heavens John M. Browning brought some sanity to the picture with his designs.

@bennythargrave 11 жыл бұрын

this pistol is part of my dream collection

@Lightspit 10 жыл бұрын

I've seen this year one of these pistols in a military museum in Oradea, Romania, but this gun looks amazingly well in comparison with the one from the museum!

@jozzerful2 9 жыл бұрын

It is a wonderfully designed gun, very intricate, there must be some tension on that spring, when he pulls it back, you can tell it is not easy to pull, i assume this is partly to do with the rotation of the barrel, which in itself is crazy, in a good way, the amount of work in that is unbelievable and so well done, the one thing i reckon, i would not like about the gun if i was firing it, is the trigger, he mentioned how hard it was pull, and it looked like his finger had to travel a long distance before strike, this makes for a gun with less accuracy. Still are very impressive weapon.

@patrikarmyguy 10 жыл бұрын

A peace of austrian History. Great to see it in Action, only saw it in austrian ww1 museums before. Thanks for sharing.

@thedude1671 11 жыл бұрын

What really amazes me about older pistols is the amount of machining that went into them. It must have taken forever to make a single quality gun, even with an assembly line style setup.

@hhoward14 9 жыл бұрын

I suspect that the inertial effect of the bullet taking the rifling would have caused the rotating barrel to screw up tightly, and provide the locking delay. It looks potentially very accurate to me. Many thanks for all the splendid videos.

@jozzerful2 9 жыл бұрын

I tink it would put you in mind of a ruger, in its design in regards to the blow back,

@TheKitMurkit 8 жыл бұрын

Really, how comes that today it would be too expensive to produce such complex machined guns, but back in the days they did it quite well?

@ForgottenWeapons 8 жыл бұрын

Today labor costs substantially more than material; a hundred years ago those were reversed.

@TheKitMurkit 8 жыл бұрын

Thank for the reply!

@dreamingflurry2729 7 жыл бұрын

I totally agree - they might not sell like hot-cakes in large numbers, but you could start collecting orders and only start making them (or contracting someone to make them for you) when you reach a certain threshold of orders :) (sadly I am not much of entrepreneur and I am not an American (your market for guns is just great - Germany doesn't have a large market because of all those restrictions and bans etc. not to mention the really stupid fear ordinary Germans have of guns...it's really a psychosis IMHO, one that government enjoys pandering to whenever something gun related happens...despite it (almost) always being illegally obtained weapons that are involved in mass shootings etc. (or careless owners - where the son guns down people with daddy's gun!) and people who are into illegal arms just laugh at more bans and restrictions for legal gun owners! I myself believe in an armed society and in the freedom of a society being measured by gun laws - the more restrictive the more unfree a society is!)...."If you outlaw guns, then only outlaws will have guns"!))

@spacepirateivynova 8 жыл бұрын

that is a pretty hefty rotation on the barrel. The PX4 Storm's rotation is barely 45 degrees to compare to a modern rotating lock. The PX4 is also a VERY much simplified design all around, field stripping into 4 major parts (barrel, firing assembly, slide, and reviever).

@dposcuro 11 жыл бұрын

Have to remember, military tactics back in 1907 were still along the thought lines of static "front lines", and Cavalry were essentially the Special Forces of their day, designed to break through a weak flank. Even today, modern Special Forces frequently use different arms than the average infantry.

@denismuzychenko9697 10 жыл бұрын

Really COOL, old gun! Great!

@aidenbatista5986 10 жыл бұрын

FINGER OFF THE TRIGGER the hell man

@justusandreas8635 7 жыл бұрын

A wonderful pistol, entertainingly and informatively explained. I have gotten motivated to look for one. Thank you!

@pepijnvanrijn 3 жыл бұрын

This video almost feels like walking in a museum with a guide

@SerielThriller 11 жыл бұрын

beautiful piece of engineering

@HeatherSpoonheim 9 жыл бұрын

I can see the origins of the idea that a semi-auto is less reliable because of all the moving parts. That guns seems to have been designed by clock makers.

@HeatherSpoonheim 9 жыл бұрын

***** Yes - I believe in modern guns you can't make a legit claim to revolvers being simpler, having fewer moving parts, or any of that stuff. Historically, however, it took a long time to simplify auto-loaders and get them to the level of reliability they've attained in my lifetime.

@NormanMatchem 10 жыл бұрын

Very cool! Wouldn't mind having one of these in 1907-1910!

@HPBrowningBoy 11 жыл бұрын

What a design and what quality! I cannot imagine this weapon fuctioning properly with low quality machining.

@randywatson8347 8 жыл бұрын

It looks very well made. It's a shame they didn't came up with removeable magazines.

@Olafleflibustier 10 жыл бұрын

wonderful mechanic !

@acetrigger1337 3 жыл бұрын

since 2013, huh... glad to see the Roth getting some love.

@nippazhobbies 11 жыл бұрын

I love these old bolt-in-tube pistols. With the resurgence of small-sized optics on pistols, it'd be nice if pistol makers would revisit these designs. The Husquvarna / Lahti L35 isn't all that complex, the one I shot looked to be way simpler to build/assemble than a Luger. With modern CNC, MIM and plastic molding techniques, there's no reason in the world for this style of auto to come back.

@TwoPlusTwoEqualsFive32 9 жыл бұрын

I am not a gun person, but is it just me or he shouldn't have his finger on the trigger at 1:20 while aiming it in the camera mans direction.

@LJVolkov21 6 жыл бұрын

It's definitely not just you.

@speed_freak13 4 жыл бұрын

Old man needs to be schooled.

@kavky 4 жыл бұрын

Y'all need to realize it's not loaded.

@speed_freak13 4 жыл бұрын

@@kavky Doesn't matter, it's basic firearm safety. That one is unloaded, but hundreds of people are shot with "unloaded" guns every year. Easiest way to not shoot someone is check if it's loaded, don't point it at anyone and keep finger off trigger. I don't know about you but I don't like having guns pointed at me even if they are unloaded, it's very rude.

@jimh6763 3 жыл бұрын

How do they come up with these insane ideas!!! Genius! Wonderful fit and finish!!

@ForgottenWeapons 11 жыл бұрын

I'm not 100% sure, but I believe it's in the white and very clean.

@ForgottenWeapons 11 жыл бұрын

Haven't done on on the AVS-36 yet, but it's certainly on the list.

@sciom1001 11 жыл бұрын

he also said during that "it was intended as a cavalry gun, so they wanted a safety mechanism like a double action revolver" so basically its mechanism is like that of a double action revolver, its hard but not impossible to make multiple shots it succession.

@Boredout454 11 жыл бұрын

Nearly 40 years removed from the Single Action Army and yet still a better weapon system and more reliable then pistols being built of the early 1900's. It amazes me that this was the time period in which the amazing Colt 1911 was built and designed by John Browning.

@ForgottenWeapons 11 жыл бұрын

Not sure - I didn't have a production reference to check the serial number against.

@MidnightSunsetsNU 10 жыл бұрын

The old guy is pointing the gun at the cameraman with his finger on the trigger.......

@ra777wow 8 жыл бұрын

At 1:30 the guy looks at the trigger finger and thinks :O "shouldnt do that sir"

@Tamlin73 10 жыл бұрын

Hi :) Wow..what a cool gun...i love old different guns, and this is one of them. Best regards from Norway

@dougler500 10 жыл бұрын

Oh, the extravagances and beauty of Austrian industry! Thanks for the great video.

@troy9477 7 жыл бұрын

Never seen a detail view of these. Very interesting. There is an awful lot of things going on simultaneously, and the trigger system looks pretty intricate. Good ergo though. I can see why they went to a fixed mag for cavalry use- dropping mags all over is of little use. A charger loading system makes sense, esp with 3 pistols. I think ballistically the cartridge is about like a 32 H&R Mag- 85 or 90 gr bullet at about 1050 fps or so. Decent but not real high energy. Great video as always. Thank you

@bigusdickus8596 11 жыл бұрын

I've always wondered if having that bar/piece thing on stripper clips would make things smoother. It'd make all the force on the cartridges evenly distributed at least

@fry3008 6 жыл бұрын

I just talked to that man at dinner. What a small world lol

@michaelbeckford9653 7 жыл бұрын

notice how the man on the left keeps his eyes on the gun at all times

@tynado1173 7 жыл бұрын

I disagree with your comment that it is crazy intricate machining. The milling looks quite simple to me. Robust and simplistic.

@zhain0 11 жыл бұрын

loved seeing all the insides, really intresting little gun

@621champagneenema 11 жыл бұрын

You're channel is a TREASURE dude!

@parkerxxxxxx 11 жыл бұрын

Talk about a quality piece!

@JeSsSe66 3 жыл бұрын

The way Ian is eyeing that pistol like "i want to tell him but then he might leave then i cant shoot it" hahahahaha

@SergeiMosin 10 жыл бұрын

That's really a well thought out pistol.

@iamtheonewhoyoulove 11 жыл бұрын

the gun is all thats needed, you can get repo clips for them that work just as well or better with them

@JwReaper744 8 жыл бұрын

hahaha i can't tell if Ian is following his movements for information or if it's cuz this guy was constantly trying to shoot himself or the cameraman since he never took his finger off the trigger. nice guy to let them look at it but someone should treat him to a complimentary firearms safety course. jokes aside this is a great video as always and i love this channel for all the unique and well "forgotten" firearms designs

@CurmudgeonExtraordinaire 6 жыл бұрын

Well, he did say that it had a really heavy trigger and was single action, so the chance of an AD is reduced. You sure would want him handing a Tupperware Glock that way though.

@ericlipetzky4221 3 жыл бұрын

Old-school trigger discipline!

@Oblithian Жыл бұрын

Ian staring at the hand waving the pistol with the finger in the trigger guard.

@visothgamerdev5880 5 жыл бұрын

This pistol sound is sweet.

@beardedsk8tr 10 жыл бұрын

i think it would be pretty awesome if someone took one of those guns and made a detachabvle mag, like a luger (thats what it reminds me of) but its still an awesome gun, wouldnt mind having one of those in the collection....

@fritzschumacher6047 9 жыл бұрын

Love to have one of these.

@kooolainebulger8117 2 жыл бұрын

this pistol is so reliable it outlasted it's nation

@wyomingwindage135 6 жыл бұрын

Very cool pistol . I wish I had hands on that beauty 😄

@IronPiedmont 8 жыл бұрын

Firearms back then were so stylish looking. Nowadays, firearms are a bit bulky and not as attractive as many older guns.

@VegasCyclingFreak 8 жыл бұрын

While watching this video I am thinking about how machining seems to almost be a lost art these days

@wingracer1614 8 жыл бұрын

+quarktron Uhm, no. We can make things today quickly and easily that they could only dream about in 1907.

@thomascorbett6627 6 жыл бұрын

Ian you have the most facinating ! incredible ! fantastic! f*#©ing marvelous! AMAZING ! KZfaq channel EVER!! I LOVE IT! !! you know what a gun nut loves to see you get into all the guts of every weapon and show how unique each gun is . this is so rare to see such through dissections as yours apreciate &I applaud your generosity & your knowledgeable commentary you are the best ! thank you so very much . T.C DOC

@rejmons1 9 жыл бұрын

My too! I can imagine my self on the horse as the proud Austro-Hungarian officer with this pistol in my hand!

@rejmons1 8 жыл бұрын

+Tomasz Wójcik By the way: My grandfather fight in Austro-Hungarian army in the time of IWW. He was the subject of Russian government called "samodzierżawie" (natural autocracy of tsar), but escaped from car's Army to fight in Pilsudski Legion against Russians. Because my, and his ansesters since 100 years fight with Russians in Polish uprisings against Russia (Poland was something like the colony of Russia). Simply - family tradition.

@toolthoughts 11 жыл бұрын

So fascinating, great video!

@davidsquall351 11 жыл бұрын

I like how you show the breakdown and workings of the firearms you feature. Are you guys in AZ I see ocotillo?

@JippaJ 3 жыл бұрын

The latest Roth Steyr video brought me here.

@atarian345 11 жыл бұрын

I've been waiting for this one.

@Mengmoshu 3 жыл бұрын

Ian, I know it's a pretty old video, but you forgot to talk about the "barf unspent rounds from the magazine" button. Which is interesting because in the 2 other videos about this family of guns you mention it (and use it in one). I noticed the features on the magazine that probably enable it, but you don't show those elements up close when talking about the guns in the more recent videos. And for detail, it looks like one feed lip on the magazine has a button to tip it out.

@Radvous 11 жыл бұрын

Well, when he dry fired it he had to recock it, but it's semi auto so the recoil automatically recocks it

@DebatingWombat 11 жыл бұрын

"standard infantry" wasn't issued side arms in WW2 either (officers were - as in WW1) Austria-Hungary DID use blade bayonets on their standard rifle. Spike bayonets were quite good in their intended use: on a rifle. This was how bayonets were expected to be used before WW1. That war demonstrated the need for bayonets to function as a close quarters (trench) knives as well. Incidentally, it also demonstrated that even pistol armed cavalry was rather useless, hence the subsequent turn to dragoons.

@depenthene 8 жыл бұрын

It is rather interesting. I don't like guns as per say, but it is extremely interesting to see the level of machining that went to guns. We mostly do much lower level of machining with CNC machines.