I saw Roy when I was about 8 or more years...he was in the museum. Mom and I stopped, he smiled and said hello and of corse I could not even say hi back because I was so shy! I was so nuts about him...had clothes and guns and every thing. When he died it broke my heart...I loved him so much! Good show thanks so much!!!!

Good Morning Jeff, Back in my youth I had the good fortune of see Roy Rogers perform at the American Royal Show in Kansas City. After his performance Roy rode completely around the fence of the arena ,shaking hands with anyone that wanted to shake. Like a dumbell I didn't go greet him. Instead staying in my seat way up in the bleachers. I regret that now. Have a Great Day 😊

I also got Roy's picture with autograph back in the 50s. If the worse thing he ever did is fake an autograph, he was still a good man. BTW, I have a book case just like the one behind you in the video. It's at least 70 years old.

I met Roy Rodgers and Dale Evans years ago. That was when his museum was in Apple Valley. There was a fire that burned up his warehouse and I worked with the clean up crew. It destroyed some of his vehicles and memorabilia.

Good morning (my KZfaq professor)😂. I live right down the street from Roy’s home in Apple Valley. Needless to say, I’m really close to their final resting spot. I’ll go have a talk with them. 😂. Great one sir!

That disillusions a collector, especially if you've paid for the signature. (Sports' celebrities, the same thing... You have to be SO careful.) I'm sorry to learn that. I would never have thought that about Roy. Thanks, Jeff... what a shame. 🏡🙏🏻🤔

I’ve learned a ton about signatures from you. I only have a few - but, all of your videos that cover the subject have made me much wiser. Great episode!

What you said is so true. We spend money on items and in hopes the real person is giving us their real autograph. It's so sad that this happens all the time. I'm a big race fan and one of my favor drivers told me, "if you didn't get it autographed by me in person, don't believe one you buy or send away for"! Reality hit me right then and there. Thanks for the great video Jeff.

Jeff, we have corresponded in the past concerning you great work. I am a 78 year old retired CPA/auditor and always a huge huge fan of Roy Rogers and Trigger. I really appreciate your attention to presenting the truth in your videos. I have many mottos including "In God we trust and all others we audit." "The truth will set you free." Finally, "Just the facts, maam." We must be cousins since we both love history so much. The only thing better than one of your videos would be for me to accomopany you on one or several of your history field trip. Thanks again and keep them coming and continued good health.

Ahhh how many hearts broken finding out this :) Loved Roy Rogers growing up and sad to see his name isn't what you think you have. Great video Jeff and thankyou

Still watch them today. Grew up with them. Clean entertainment. 😊

I met Roy in 1982 when I was 15 yrs old in Portsmouth Ohio where he grew up as a boy. I shook his hand but should have gotten his autograph but I was too excited to think about it.

Roy Rogers - my mom's childhood heartthrob! Excellent sleuthing sir! I'll visit his final resting place at some point - I don't think mom ever did. Happy Trails!

We went to his museum in Victorville when we visited my brother who was stationed at George Airforce Base. I really enjoyed the museum. Seeing Trigger was something. Happy Trails !!!!!

Excellent information, Jeff. Like you, I would have had no idea. I understand your frustration and disappointment. I realize it happens but when the autograph request is sent and paid for and you later find out it was signed by someone else representing the person, it's such a letdown. I suppose the best way to know for sure is to get the autograph in person or not at all. That way, there is no doubt. Thanks for another great video!

Hello Jeff, Thanks for sharing this interesting story on Roy Rogers signing and wondering how many more actors did the same. It's a shame after all these years to find out the autographs are not real. Again, thanks for sharing this, and have a wonderful Sunday!

Jeff, great video, very informative. I do agree with you, but I'm not surprised. I'm sure most celebrities have secretaries sign for them. They must get thousands of requests every week. What is most surprising is that reputable companies authenticate the fake autographs.

I feel your pain Jeff. When I was a kid in 1970, I wrote a letter to my hero Roman Gabriel. A few weeks later I got an autographed, black & white photo of him. I treasured that photo thinking it was an authentic signature. I’ve seen other photos of him with the same quote “A Champion never quits”. I’ve in recent years wondered if mine was authentic. At this stage of my life (65) I’m going to just accept it as real. BTW, he’s still alive and kicking at 83! TY Jeff.

So, sad, but I can understand the reasoning behind this action. I agree with you, Jeff, Roy, and other celebrities to be upfront with their signatures and yes, even endorsements.

A lot secretaries sign autographs for the old entertainers because they didn't have time. It wasn't just Roy Rogers it was all the celebrities too

I remember watching Roy Rogers as a kid. We (me, husband, father in law and mom in law) were going to stop at the Roy Rogers museum when we were out there on vacation but we got waylaid at all the different fruit and nut stands and didn't get the chance to go by. I really regret not going but maybe some other day......................

I'm thinking now that my Rin Tin Tin autograph is fake, 😆. Thanks for the FYI Jeff 👍

Great Video, History Hunters ! I think all celebs who had so many fans who asked for their signature did something similar- imagine how sore his hand would be signing all of them and the time it would take to do so. Still, kind of feel cheated to know this.

I watched his show and I liked his and Dale singing I loved trigger to he was a beautiful horse ❤❤❤❤😊😊

Great video. Please continue with the signature series. I watch all your video Jeff! Fantastic!

Thank you, Jeff and Sarah.....I agree, it's hit or miss with autographs these days. Didn't know about Roy's though...he was so loved by many,,,,he should have taken the time.....very disappointing.....

My boss (who was a filmmaker) asked me to get Roy Rogers on the phone for him. He answered the phone himself and was very kind to me.

Hi Jeff, your videos are always Monday mornings here. I was very busy sorry, but never late than never right. 😁 I agree with you, I’d rather be told someone doesn’t have the time. Much better than a fake autograph. Roy did seem to be a lovey guy though. ❤Jodie 🇦🇺

I agree on your comment about the swiftness of the autographes returning to you.. Mine have always taken a long time to get back to me.

My childhood hero, I was always wearing my cowboy regalia, hat, boots and holsters (I still have the double cap gun set and holster.) It's a shame to think he was too busy to sign things for his fans. Thank you Jeff for all the photos and explanation of what to look for.

If world famous celebrities could sign every autograph request, there would be no time left to be a world famous beloved person. They also use a stamp to sign mail orders. A fan of Roy Rogers.

Interesting. I've never been huge in autographs, but that's a good lesson on how secretaries just don't make great copies for the real deal.

GR8 HH vid Jeff! So sad to see these stars short change the people that made them what they were. Thnx for my weekly "fix"! ~Chris

Very interesting and thanks for posting! As a collector of autographs, I've always paid attention to the details as you have!

Thanks for sharing this great episode with us Jeff. I grew up watching and "Idolizing" these singing Western heroes. Oh yeah. "Happy Trails To You" and, " I'm Back In The Saddle Again". Great old songs that crop up in my memory quite often. Again, thanks for sharing. Stan

Most celebrities and politicians had their secretaries sign autographs and documents for them. Great channel. You need a TV show on prime time television, you're that good.

I am totally bummed for You..talk about disappointing..love your channel..much love to You and Sarah..always waiting for your next video!

I love this video, and this style of video. Great job! Thanks!

Amazes me how you find these things out.

Very kool. I'm lucky enough to have visited the Victorville Museum. And enjoyed your cemetery tour.

Sorry for your loss! Thank you for your lessons! In person or not at all.

Hi Jeff, we went to his museum in, not sure I think Victorville, he was in a wheelchair, he was there and we chatted with him and took some pictures of him with my family. He was very frail but oh so nice. I believe he passed away a couple months later. So sad the family closed the museum, it was a great place to see all his memorabilia. I believe it was in 1991 or 92.

It's a shame that celebrities can't be upfront about not signing memorabilia. Your video only reinforces why I got rid of my autograph collection years ago when someone pointed out a fake autograph from one of my fave stars. Have a groovy day.

Jeff, thank you for this amazing video! Quick story for you. In the late 70s and 80s, I worked for Director Sydney Pollack. I knew Paul Newman‘s secretary and she told me a funny story. There was a woman who reached out for Paul Newman‘s autograph. The secretary signed it for Paul and send it to the fan. The fan sent it back and said “This is not his autograph. May I please have an authentic autograph?” So she signed it again for Paul and the woman sent the autograph back and said, “I know this second one is not his autograph as well!” So the secretary had Paul sign it after the third request and sent it out to the fan. The fan sent a letter back, saying “Thank you so much for the authentic Autograph of Mr. Newman…” Don’t ever fool an autograph seeker! 😂

Thanks for sharing

Well very interesting what you showed and talked about. Sad to hear about the signatures real are not Roy is still Number 1 and all ways will be.🙏So HAPPY TRAILS 🏆

Hi Jeff, Boy I wished I had never seen this video. I was born and grew up in LA only left it there in the early 2000s because it was changing. Back in those days I used to always attend the annual Lone Pine Film Festival. One year in the early 90s I had heard that Roy Rogers would sign an autograph if i would just send something to Apple Valley. I got two eight by ten glossies and sent them to him. They were returned to me with Roy's autograph. In playing this video I have found I was deceived. I have been bragging to friends when I go into my pool room about Roy's autograph. Now I can't do that anymore. I was so disappointed when I saw how I could identify them to be from his secretary.

Was standing in line at the Apple CA. location of the Roy Rogers Museum in the early 1990's, waiting to buy some postcards. Lady in front of me asked the clerk if Roy ever came in. The clerk said oh my yes but he comes in early so he can get home for his soap operas.

I’ve never been an autograph seeker, but It sure is disappointing to those who collect them to find out it’s not original. I do know that a lot of celebrities don’t like people making money off of their signature and they won’t sign stuff, but that’s the nature of the beast. As always good video.

Well, that sucks! It is like a gift it is the thought that counts. Happy trails to ALL stay safe thank you

Great video!😀

Hi Jeff, This is sort of a comment to my just made comment. One year when I attended the film festival at Lone Pine I met Rand Brooks, Hoppy's sidekick. I was fortunate to ride the same bus when we toured he Alabama Hills. I sat with him and we talked all day. Of coarse I became friends with him and quit the fan. I have bought a few of his autographs on Ebay. One for Gone With The Wind the other as Lucky on the Hoppy films. I sure hope they are authentic. My dad used to take me and my friends to Corriganville. Corriganville is the location that the TV show Rin Tin Tin was filmed. Rand Brooks was a part of that cast. Fort Apache is the fictional location where Rin Tin Tin was based. Today it has burned down and there are Condos right up to where the front gates stood.

Wow very good information 😊thank you ❤❤❤

Most famous folks who give or sell autographs have someone else sign them, or even a machine that signs them. You always feel a bit cheated when you get one of the machine signed photos, the best thing is to have the person sign it when you are watching them, like a book signing event.

Although my late Auntie Gloria, the film/TV actress, was known as a "scream queen" for the quartet of horror films in which she appeared in, she should've been primarily been renowned regarding the numerous Western-based genre works that she did. And there's no exception here being that she had a role in an episode of "The Roy Rogers Show" seventy yrs back entitled "Land Swindle". His former residence located in Chatsworth is a couple of miles from my apt and I drive close by to it when visiting Oakwood Memorial Park. (There's the streetnames of Trigger St, Trigger Pl and Dale Ct in the neighborhood. And both of his parents are interred @ OMP there.) I've also seen the gravesites of his first wife and three of his children over @ FLG. I'm certainly pleased that I wasn't a major fan or raised during that era and then requesting a signature only then later to discover that it was bogus; I'd be absolutely infuriated!

I met both him and John Wayne in their later years (obviously not the same time period), but Roy (1990s) was in a wheel chair and was happy to have a picture taken. John Wayne (1970’s)on the other hand had a business card with his autograph printed on it, and after giving me one, he said to his assistant “ this is the best idea you ever had”

Happy TRAILS..Jeff. SARAH..Thanks 😊

Thanks again for sharing, Jeff is the secretary still alive

Very interesting video. Jeff, and thank you so much for sharing. I have a few collections of autographs from people. My favorite one is Paul LeMatt from American Graffiti.

Jeff i have been scammed by used car dealers for 40 years . Mrs Williams was only getting 5 dollars per signature. She was modest

I've met several celebrities in businesses and their signatures on checks and old school credit card slips is often not their "autograph."

Looking for love in all the wrong places. Just love yourselves. You are all just as special as ROY!!!

And he was a Mason. Great video Jeff!

What a huge let down for you, (and all of his other fans). I wish I'd been into getting autographs when I was growing up in L.A. I would have had some great ones. Thank's for the video...

Unless you personally witnessed the autograph being signed, the possibility of a forged signature is a reality. I worked in the office of a well known firearms training school, where the owner required us to practice making his signature on all welcome letters going out to new members. Because we had tens of thousands of members, hundreds arriving every day; it would have been physically impossible for the owner to have signed each letter personally. It felt unethical; but people really bought into it, to the point of buying memberships worth thousands of dollars. It was just business!

Years ago a friend of mine was asking for an autograph from a specific actor who was actually charging for it. After he got the autograph, he made the actor sign a receipt showing he paid for it. Two autographs for the price of one.

Git em' Jeff!!!!

Jeff, I started autograph collecting in the late 90s, mostly through the mail too, in the 2000s I discovered some celebs didn't actually sign, but someone signed for them was hard, I actually sold all the fakes cheap at a flea market. I so have some really nice originals too 😊

I noticed in the letter back to you mentions "Mrs. Rogers".

Know my Roy Roger's and Dale Evans autographs are real. I was there when they signed.

That was common back then, later they had autograph machines that you would program your autograph into and it would sign anything perfectly. Some athletes used them.

Well, maybe flip the script and make the infamous secretary signatures a collectible! 😊

my golden idol tarnished!!!!

That is really sad about all the autographs you obtained only to find out they were fake. But I have to say you are a very talented artist.

very good. !!!!

My late Grandfather raised around Roy Rogers In Ohio. Roy was 19 year old my Grandfather was 9 year old.

I'm going to examine my last 30 years of signatures, if one is different, I'm going to have to question my legitimacy.

Hi jeff, You have very nice items from the stars in your collection, so cool, pretty bad tho how is secretary signed roys name like that. him on his horse when trigger would rear back that was pretty high up, but he trusted trigger guess he practiced a lot with trigger. but a very unique pair they were will never be another for sure. I enjoyed seeing your books with roys signature. Thankyou for the interesting info about roy. I enjoyed this.

This, unfortunately is not anything unusual Jeff. Some celebrities hire whole teams of people who just sit there til they get it right. This you can imagine has happened throughout the decades!

Interesting. I’m thinking that this happens more frequently than we realize.

Wow! How sad. But I agree with you if a celebrity doesn't want to autograph then they should not have someone else do it. I only have two autographs, one from Pat Morita and William Fransanito. I was present both times. Great share.

This video is very informative Jeff , but I'm sure it's disappointing to you , but either way Thank YOU FRANK FROM MONTANA.....

That's a bummer. I would at least sign it when I had the time even if it took weeks.

Wow, they thought they could get away with this?! This level of dishonesty by a well loved actor is so disappointing!

The only way to guarantee that a signature is authentic is to get whatever you want signed in person.

There was even mechanical signature machines too.

Unfortunately, that's a common practice. Even with sports figures. A lot of them are so good, it does even fool the experts. I'm not an autograph collector, but I do have some signatures from celebrities. The ones I have were signed in front of me. It means more to me to have my picture taken with them. Better than a signature, I think.

Wow that is disappointing, I know how much you enjoy collecting and to find that out is very disappointing. But you have a lot of great one's and if it will help I'll send you mine 🤣 thanks for sharing always enjoy your signature series. Happy trails!

When I lived in Apple Valley, the museum was still in Victorville and the annual Christmas Festival was still being held. They were all about branding and marketing. Both of them had already passed away. Once in the Ralph's grocery store, the checker told the people in line that Dale Evans would come in and cut in line, she would say, "I am Dale Evans..." So your story is not far off from the sense of entitlement.

Aaah, I feel sorry for you about the signatures…😢 It almost feels if you got scammed. I am sure if someone asked you for your signature you would always sign it yourself! 👍🏻

Did the signature on his grave match his real signature. Just curious, thanks Jeff you did a good job

Thank you, Jeff. Roy's autobiography is a great read. Take good care. Have you been to the Ozzie, Harriet, and Ricky Nelsons graves at Forest Lawn - Hollywood Hills Cemetery in Los Angeles, California? When his elder son David died in 2011, he was cremated, having chosen a niche in Westwood Memorial Park's outdoor Garden of Serenity columbarium rather than interment in the Nelson family plot. I wonder why they are in different locations? All the very best to you and yours!!!

Jeff... It is so disappointing to learn that movie stars have someone else sign autographs. The big thing now that really annoys me is these conventions that has been stars attend. From what I understand there is an entrance fee. Then you have to pay the star to autograph something. There is an additional fee to have a picture taken with them.

Sad that Roy Rogers would do a thing like this.

All famous and very popular celebrites either have their secretaries sign their name or they use an electronic signature. They are too busy and get too many requests fir autographs to do them them selves.

Everyone's in it for a buck. Jesus Christ probably signed sandals for a small fee, Jeff.

I feel sad for you how disappointing garbage is in the eye of the beholder.....😢

I often wondered if celebrities have enough time to sign autographs especially if it’s a book you get through the mail. My dad was a big fan of his group Sons Of The Pioneers. Even if he had his secretary sign autographs for him I won’t think anything less of him.

Ive just discovered your channel and im currently working my way through all your videos. I absolutely love your work, info, research, and presentation. Greetings from Glasgow, Scotland.

I vaguely remember a story on one actor (can't remember who) he had a machine/device that actually held a pen and mimicked his autograph.