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The Rational Reminder Podcast

The Rational Reminder Podcast

3 жыл бұрын

There is an overarching investment philosophy that permeates most of what we do here at the Rational Reminder Podcast, and while some guests' positions might differ at times, it is rare that we have someone on the show whose approach is as strongly contrasted with ours, as Professor Brad Cornell. Professor Cornell's arguments are so well-founded and researched that they require a re-examination of positions that we feel have been a given for us for a long time. He is the author of about 150 referenced articles, four books, and has conducted hugely interesting work on the current state of value investing. His research with Aswath Damodaran, and insights into Tesla's valuation provide great food for thought, and we get into all of this on today's show! Our conversation also covers ways to go about picking a fund manager and a slightly different lens through which to view past performance. We feel truly grateful to have such a different, yet valid, perspective expressed so well here, and cannot wait to share this highly useful information with all of our listeners. Tune in to hear it all from Professor Brad Cornell!
Links From Today’s Episode:
Rational Reminder on iTunes - itunes.apple.com/ca/podcast/t....
Rational Reminder Website - rationalreminder.ca/
Follow us on Twitter - / rationalremind
Follow us on Instagram - @rationalreminder
Benjamin on Twitter - / benjaminwfelix
Cameron on Twitter - / cameronpassmore
Professor Brad Cornell on Twitter - / bradfordcornell
Professor Brad Cornell on LinkedIn - / bradford-cornell-1799799
Cornell Capital - www.cornell-capital.com
'Stock Characteristics and Stock Returns: A Skeptic’s Look at the Cross-Section of Expected Returns' - papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.c...
'Doing Good or Sounding Good' - papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.c...

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@CanadianFinanceSimplified
@CanadianFinanceSimplified 3 жыл бұрын
Geez, this guy has to be one of your smartest guests of all-time.
@wayneaubrey
@wayneaubrey 3 жыл бұрын
I agree. This was a such a great podcast
@mydutube
@mydutube 2 жыл бұрын
I am unimpressed. He thinks his DCF valuation is holier than thou. Ultimately DCF is as good as his assumptions. No wonder he lost his shirt by shorting Tesla. He mentioned Tesla 10 times in the interview and got so many fundamental facts wrong.
@Klayhamn
@Klayhamn 2 жыл бұрын
@@mydutube which fundamental facts did he get wrong exactly?
@mydutube
@mydutube 2 жыл бұрын
@@Klayhamn All the nonsense about coal is burned to generate electricity so BEVs generate more emissions than ICE. That has been debunked. The latest study published by Yale said BEVs have cleaner life-time emissions even when including emissions from supply chain. To add to that, almost all new energy capacity of the world is coming form renewables. China is retiring coal plants and switching to sustainable energy faster than any other country. It's sad that this guy is spreading misinformation hurting the people and ecology to benefit his own pockets. Also, about Porsches margin, Tesla is already at 12% net margin despite growing revenue at 80% and investing heavily in R&D and investing in new production capacity. Porsche's margins peaked at 12% despite being at the peak of their operating leverage. Tesla has a long way to go. The operating leverage of Tesla is just beginning to show. The net margin will be climbing towards 20% during next 4-6 quarters. Toyota comparison is also bad. Toyota is a laggard in two massive sea changes in transportation: BEV and autonomous. Toyota's growth was flat for many years and now trending down slowly. Their ICE business is facing a massive diseconomies of scale. They deserve the valuation of a company with declining fundaments and technology that is at the verge of extinction.
@Klayhamn
@Klayhamn 2 жыл бұрын
That's the sign of an intellectually honest expert - that they can conduct an in-depth discussion with someone who holds the completely opposite view - and have both sides make interesting and valid points This is how you know the expert has no "agenda" or "dogma" they're blindly following - but simply a well articulated stance that they can defend in a debate
@ajrobbins368
@ajrobbins368 3 жыл бұрын
Previous guests who recognize factor premia also admit that it can be obscured for years by market noise- sometimes called "the unexpected factor." Others have suggested that factor premia are "moving targets" meaning they fluctuate over time. Anyone can see that the market is chaotic and unpredictable on a daily basis, but I seriously doubt that years worth of data offer zero insight into future long-term trends. Humans are not inherently random. We develop patterns of bias and habit that are predictable. Everyday we use a fusion of rational and irrational behavior to navigate the world. Investment decisions are no exception.
@Klayhamn
@Klayhamn 2 жыл бұрын
There's several reasons why years of data can be insufficient (and i believe he touches on both of them , to an extent): 1. the first is that it's possible that reality itself changes in a way that makes past patterns no longer relevant in the future. it's POSSIBLE that there is no overreaching pattern that dominates asset pricing across the years. e.g. if the market is truly inefficient then the factors are nothing more than an overfitted model that happens to describe the particular history we experienced. 2. it's possible that the history we have, despite spanning more than 100 years , is simply to short to discover the TRUE overreaching pattern that dominates markets - if such a pattern exists, or - if no pattern exists (and then the "factors" exhibit behavior that is random just like the digits of pie) - you are bound to find SOME things that look like patterns but actually aren't (like the string of 9's in pie's digits). We simply don't know if 100+ years is enough. Maybe we need 900 years of market data to see the full picture? regarding the human patterns, sure - but the long term trends are more reflective of the economy than the market. In the end you have companies who (regardless of how they are priced in the market) either succeed or fail, are either profitable or are not profitable, either grow or don't grow in their revenues and earnings, etc. so, of course that if the economy itself is growing, the stock market would eventually (on a long term perspective) grow with it, but the MARKET is the actual buying and selling of stocks in an attempt to correctly price these companies, and on the short or even the immediate terms it's very possible that it exhibits absolutely NO useful patterns - i.e. - that the market moves RANDOMLY - which is equivalent to the conclusion that it is efficient - i.e. - that it always reflects the totality of information that exists about each stock, and that any price change is only the result of unique information that is added to the mix, information that cannot be truly encapsulated in a consistent way by any formula or "compression"
@wayneaubrey
@wayneaubrey 3 жыл бұрын
A great insight into how difficult it is to pick the winners in a 'winner-takes-all' scenario. I particularly liked the VisiCalc, Lotus 1-2-3, Multiplan, Excel story to illustrate this.
@zzzzzzzzzzz6
@zzzzzzzzzzz6 Жыл бұрын
So glad that you bring people like this on.
@lpgoog
@lpgoog 3 жыл бұрын
Fascinating discussion. I feel humbled like I tried having a conversation with Richard Feynman🙏. The only certainty is uncertainty for sure.
@antonvinnichenko8372
@antonvinnichenko8372 3 жыл бұрын
What is the third criteria of success according to Cornell? Seems like video got cut after he mentioned the second.
@vasy4321
@vasy4321 3 жыл бұрын
Buy the dip
@rubyflex9429
@rubyflex9429 3 жыл бұрын
It probably was about the importance of dividends. Even Canadians have a politeness limit, and they were forced to edit the 3rd point from the episode.
@antonvinnichenko8372
@antonvinnichenko8372 3 жыл бұрын
Found the answer - on Spotify it's not cut. The third criteria is to raise a good family
@tweevtip
@tweevtip 3 жыл бұрын
I really enjoyed that interview. The sentiment and narratives is a difficult reality to incorporate into an investing strategy / world view. Seems like it would also apply to the Canadian housing market. I know it's not really your guys thing but would you consider doing a podcast on that? I mean, for better or for worse,, residential RE is frequently the largest investment vehicle of a family's life. Thanks for the great work.
@mariolaredodiaz7698
@mariolaredodiaz7698 3 жыл бұрын
Coming from a multidisciplinary, environmental sciences background, I cannot stress enough how right Mr Cornell is about the ESG topic. I really enjoyed this episode. Thanks for bringing diverse perspectives guys.
@ashutoshdhote6091
@ashutoshdhote6091 3 жыл бұрын
Please get damodaran on your show
@bjohns347347
@bjohns347347 3 жыл бұрын
Great episode. I agree with prof Cornell. I’ve always been uncomfortable relying too heavily on market data as if it’s data from a physics experiment. Also agree that climate science is surprisingly complicated and murky. Even a climate scientist may have difficulty in deciding what esg stocks are. Good luck with the book!
@_Digitalguy
@_Digitalguy 3 жыл бұрын
Another great guest! As a finance teacher I am interested in the ESG boom we are witnessing... I have attended conferences and even given classes about it... There seem to be 2 schools of thought, some consider that the ESG excitement is creating a bubble and prices will go back down, which seems to be the point of view of your guest, if I understood him correctly... Other says that ESG is going to change the cost of capital to a point where these higher prices for green companies will be justified vs the lower prices for brown ones permanently... The big question is, will the change in the cost of capital due to ESG fund flows be such that it will at least offset the price gap created by the same ESG fund flows? I haven't seen balanced discussions so far, only skeptics on one side or enthusiasts about ESG on the other....
@pran10000
@pran10000 3 жыл бұрын
Brilliant work guys!
@seanphurley
@seanphurley 3 жыл бұрын
Excellent interview.
@arthurfeletti1870
@arthurfeletti1870 3 жыл бұрын
Great episode!
@wouterrobot1
@wouterrobot1 3 жыл бұрын
What site did Professor Cornell state at 48.00?
@masterjointu
@masterjointu 3 жыл бұрын
First 😀
@andrewczeizler59
@andrewczeizler59 3 жыл бұрын
Omg super excited about this 😃😃!
@Martin-qb2mw
@Martin-qb2mw 2 жыл бұрын
"I bought Apple at IPO" absolute legend, holy smokes.
@prestonlui6451
@prestonlui6451 3 жыл бұрын
Wow, the video is so early this time
@cameronpassmore1561
@cameronpassmore1561 3 жыл бұрын
The benefit of a greater lead time for the post-prod team :)
@EvilGenius007
@EvilGenius007 3 жыл бұрын
My ESG thesis is that either environmental costs will be increasingly internalized due to the political changes Cornell spoke of, or climate change will create global instability that destroys the socio-economic status quo before I retire anyways.
@og7952
@og7952 3 жыл бұрын
Well it's interesting but if someone does not believe in factors and value, what is the alternative ? Ark and Tesla ? No thanks, gonna take a chance with a diversified portfolio with a tilt towards value.
@bjohns347347
@bjohns347347 3 жыл бұрын
He actually mentioned that Ark and Tesla are not good to invest in now but he also didn’t give a clear investment strategy other than diversification. The underlying message that I derived from the interview was that historical market data should be used as a guide but not a template. I also have a value tilt but an open mind always helps.
@alwaystoyou123
@alwaystoyou123 2 жыл бұрын
is not he basically saying what Benjamin Graham said regarding tech stocks. No one knows which one will win in the end among tech companies and that is why he avoided it.
@stumpy25lbs
@stumpy25lbs 3 жыл бұрын
Prof Cornell is an entertaining listen but he often fails to answer questions 'cos he's too busy telling his anecdotes instead! I guess everyone's gonna be wondering what the third thing is by which he defines success at the end... 😂
@ANDRSNJHNSTN
@ANDRSNJHNSTN 3 жыл бұрын
43:39
@logoutjason4689
@logoutjason4689 2 жыл бұрын
So what does he feel about value investing
@rationalreminder
@rationalreminder 2 жыл бұрын
papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.cfm?abstract_id=3779481
@rimservices
@rimservices 2 жыл бұрын
Selling options om Tesla after it has shown how it can spike on market emotions is rather bad risk management in my book
@Martin-qb2mw
@Martin-qb2mw 2 жыл бұрын
MANY people predicted gamestop. I was on a forum and read about the coming squeeze DAILY for MONTHS when the stock was 5-10 dollars. It was expected by many many people and they held large positions way before it took off.
@mydutube
@mydutube 2 жыл бұрын
Professor Cornell was so wrong on Tesla. He would have made same argument about Apple in 2010 by applying Nokia's valuation.
@Martin-qb2mw
@Martin-qb2mw 2 жыл бұрын
How was he wrong excactly? It's still priced in such a way that it needs to take over the world and even if it does the returns will be mediocre because taking over the world is already priced in. He is right but you can't time the market. And by the way, the EV bubble has collapsed since this interview. Tesla is still standing strong (for now) but Nio for example (a stock he was short) is down 60-70% from the highs.
@BuyBBStonk
@BuyBBStonk 3 жыл бұрын
All I got from this was to dump my lifesavings into dogecoin cause it's interesting and hopefully will make a contribution
@Qiuziarui
@Qiuziarui 3 жыл бұрын
Despite how convincing brads arguments may seem against Tesla. I don’t think he’s done all of his homework on the company.
@Dra60oN
@Dra60oN 3 жыл бұрын
I share Profesor's opionion. Cmon paying for a stock whose PE ratio is more than 600. You can only do that and hope.to.suceed in the long haul if you really do not know history of investing very well.
@mydutube
@mydutube 2 жыл бұрын
​@@Dra60oN fast forward 6 months, the PE ratio is now 300. Judging hyper growth company with trailing PE is fruitless. Tesla saw tremendous revenue growth combined with steep operating leverage in last two quarter which allowed them to cut PE in half despite doubling the price.
@Bobventk
@Bobventk 10 күн бұрын
Terrible understanding of markets by Cornell. Incredible really..
@implied321
@implied321 2 жыл бұрын
He did not convince me. A lot of stories but little data driven evidence.
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