RS 800 Skiff- Boat Tour

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Mozzy Sails

Mozzy Sails

6 ай бұрын

Here's a boat tour of our new RS800 for the 2024 race season
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@fredtatch1572
@fredtatch1572 6 ай бұрын
Wow, thanks for the tour of your setup. Such a change from 1971 when I raced International 14’s as crew. That was an experimental class at the time and playing with rigging options was fun. We won nationals that year because the boat that had been winning sheared off his pivoting center board in the high winds of the last race! Good luck this year 🍀✌️
@sailgeek11
@sailgeek11 6 ай бұрын
slick...... you have awoken my inner bimble from its winter slumber!
@rope4boats304
@rope4boats304 6 ай бұрын
Love the hat. 😊
@maxrott3345
@maxrott3345 6 ай бұрын
Thanks for the video. Love watching boat setups and get ideas for my own boat bimble. If you should have time one day to film how made the tapered dyneema jib sheet splice I would really love that. Cant find a video on a splice like this and want to do something similar to my spinnaker sheets. Thanks and all the best from austria.
@HaysClark
@HaysClark 4 ай бұрын
Hmmm.... I might borrow some of those setups for my MPS. ;D
@user-uk9kc8rm8k
@user-uk9kc8rm8k 6 ай бұрын
Cool
@user-uk2pc6kv4b
@user-uk2pc6kv4b Ай бұрын
Hey Tom! Can you do a video on how to splice the anti chafe sleeve into your dyneema? I've just ordered some 4mm Marlow chafe cover and keen to learn how to do it properly! :)
@Toob41
@Toob41 4 ай бұрын
Good catch at the end! £200 for a rinky dinky wee kicker block, that's some sexy gear!
@the-naked-sailor
@the-naked-sailor 3 ай бұрын
It's called a _boom vang_ . If you kids want to change pre-existing vernacular, you might as well call the bow the front, the stern the back, port left, and right for starboard.
@Toob41
@Toob41 2 ай бұрын
@the-naked-sailor Even Wikipedia states Vang (USA), Kicking strap (UK). This is a UK series so thanks for the lecture and up your transom!
@barryscott6222
@barryscott6222 6 ай бұрын
Nice
@bowmoorsailingyouth125
@bowmoorsailingyouth125 3 ай бұрын
Please do this with the RS 200, just got mine and would love to see an updated tour!!
@MozzySails
@MozzySails 3 ай бұрын
Sorry, we don't have the 200 anymore 😔
@bowmoorsailingyouth125
@bowmoorsailingyouth125 27 күн бұрын
@@MozzySails That’s a shame!
@bowmoorsailingyouth125
@bowmoorsailingyouth125 27 күн бұрын
Do you remember how your kicker was setup though?
@edclark978
@edclark978 6 ай бұрын
if you still have a 200 I'd love an update video on setup for it! most rigging guides tend to be about a decade old! How to rig the spinnaker pole would be great everyone seems to have them slightly different at events!
@MozzySails
@MozzySails 6 ай бұрын
200 has gone now. I do have a few rs200 boat bimble videos on my channel which cover any unique bits from my set up and are pretty up to daye
@shaxxy3759
@shaxxy3759 6 ай бұрын
that DIY boat breaker is really j getting and a smart idea, did you use a video for reference or anything? I’m thinking of making one well
@jrudd8987
@jrudd8987 3 ай бұрын
Great to see all the bits and bobs, can’t wait to get bimbling again soon. Just a quick question, noticed on ur trapeze cleats ur running a low friction ring to make it easier to uncleat, how are you attaching that ring to the clam cleat?
@MozzySails
@MozzySails 3 ай бұрын
Just tying with some 1.5mm dyneema kitekine
@senditmediaproductions5898
@senditmediaproductions5898 4 ай бұрын
Great work! If you ever wanna do a filming day let me know if I can help! 👍
@the-naked-sailor
@the-naked-sailor 3 ай бұрын
It's been 3 months, I don't think he gives a shit.
@andycarter95
@andycarter95 6 ай бұрын
I like the idea of this Allen combination block- cleat.If you’re using it then presumably it is close to production, any news on this?
@grahamheath9957
@grahamheath9957 6 ай бұрын
That’s a good looking setup, those Allen blocks look very sturdy. Just out of interest, if I understood what you were saying the two cleats by the mast are for the diamonds, do you find that you make much adjustment to them on the water or is it really just for avoiding wear on the mast. It’s been a while since I sailed at HISC, but it’s a lovely club, if really cold in winter!
@MozzySails
@MozzySails 6 ай бұрын
We never adjust them on the water, it's just something you set and forget. They just need the purchase because as they don't get to the chain plates on the gunwales you need another way of adding tension as the boat breaker doesn't do it
@hoysleng
@hoysleng 6 ай бұрын
That was a most excellent video, my question would be how do you know the rope loads for everything - I can't seem to find load charts anywhere for any dinghy. I'm definitely gonna go for the full 1mm sk99 kiteline setup on my 29er, what could go wrong? :)
@MozzySails
@MozzySails 6 ай бұрын
You can kind of guess at it by thinking about the purchase and how hard you pull the control. Most lines on a dinghy you wouldn't need more than 1 or 2mm, but you have to be careful with fixing points as a small bit of chafe will soon cut through a 1mm line... we had 1.8mm trap line and I broke one at the terminal which wasn't perfectly rounded.
@chriszeiser
@chriszeiser 6 ай бұрын
Nice video. I really like the idea of going as thin as possible in all "untouched" lines. So many questions came to my mind: 1. What was your main criteria there? Working load? 2. Glueing that hook to the AutoRatchet is a great idea. But dont you fear that it will unhook itself in a gybe? 3. Is it the standard auto ratchet or Wave Sheave?
@MozzySails
@MozzySails 6 ай бұрын
1) With modern dyneema it's pretty hard to get near the breaking loads, the main limit on line size is either what's bearable to handle at a given tension and chafe at fixings (maybe halyards stretch comes in to play). So we started from the principal that everything we didn't handle would be 2.5mm, which is really the thinnest dyneema outside kite line then focused on making sure our attachments and systems were clear of chafe. 2) The elastic is relatively tight so we've not had any issues yet. It's early days though as that's new on this boat. 3) Standard sheave, don't really need more hold on the line.
@tonysteele9570
@tonysteele9570 6 ай бұрын
Quick reaction! Any thoughts on sail GP.
@MozzySails
@MozzySails 6 ай бұрын
She was really ready for a sail, caught her just in time! Helms changes have been interesting, but I honestly though Abu Dhabi was a bit dull with it being so light. Cream still rises to the top, but it's hard to tell much about the rest in those conditions
@sailgeek11
@sailgeek11 6 ай бұрын
@@MozzySails agreed - Sail GP lost its way?? course layout choices lead to a sad precession...
@rs800classassociation5
@rs800classassociation5 6 ай бұрын
👍
@bkemyt
@bkemyt 6 ай бұрын
Do you often change the holes on the jib clew, I found it may be a pain in the ass when you are using a softshackle there to do it on water.
@MozzySails
@MozzySails 6 ай бұрын
You're right, I wouldn't fancy trying to change it with a flapping sail on the water. However for us the jib clew is always on the middle hole. We change the tack height of the jib on the bow to change the jib sheeting angle (similar to 49ers). So this soft shackle is something we attach onshore and then leave.
@nicdorman3826
@nicdorman3826 6 ай бұрын
9:50 what are the auto ratchets for, they dont appear to be rigged with any lines?
@MozzySails
@MozzySails 6 ай бұрын
they are the kite sheets, but I didn't have the kite rigged
@GrantRollerson
@GrantRollerson 6 ай бұрын
A few points (my opinion only!) . Tack line block is hidden, why not go max diameter carbo block, bigger radius is easier to launch . SK78 everywhere, why not 99 max? . Where a sheet runs through a clear you can put 40mm of core inside the core to make sure a skinny line is fat in the cleat eg kite halyard, jib cleat . Cuno couldn't see but you should run it through both eyes . You vang block, suggest going up a mm on the line holding it to the boom . Vang line should always be red .... finally, cool number!
@MozzySails
@MozzySails 6 ай бұрын
Good suggestions.. 1) there isn't a block on the tack line, but maybe you mean the launch line block hidden in the bow? Main restriction here is just the space in the bow. Could maybe up the sheave from 20-30mm though. 2) SK78 is quite a bit cheaper and has similar elongation characteristics as SK99 just a lower break load. So anywhere you're not getting close to breaking load there's not a huge advantage to SK99. If we went any thinner on the line to get closer to breaking loads then we'd be using kite line and I think that only comes in SK78 though? 3) Our jib halyard is still a standard double braid, but we've changed the main halyard over to 3mm dyneema and have done exactly this to get it to still cleat well. Good tip! 4) The bottom eye tends to hit the gooseneck pretty quick, so we end up just running it through the top eye. Unless you can think of some way to rig it so it pulls the bottom eye initially then the top eye after that? 5) It;'s 3mm sk78 going over the top block in the cascade, which doubles over would break at just under 2,000kg! The soft shackle is made from 3mm sk78 as well, which with a well made soft shackle will get around 150%, so rope wise at 1,500kg you're right, that's probably the weak link. However, the TiiTAN block in the middle is 1,250kg break load. 3mm doubled over is pretty much the thickest dyneema I can get through TiiTAN block for the boom strop anyways. I reckon we'd be lucky to be getting 400kg on that block with a 16:1 anyways. Would be interesting to put a load cell there and see. 6) Noted on vang line colour! 7) Yeah, it's a nice ascending sequence
@GrantRollerson
@GrantRollerson 6 ай бұрын
Comprehensive 1. Yea the one at the bow, the tack/pole launching block, point taken but biggest radius and no windage or weight hit 2. I mean 99max which is the pre-stretched version. Point taken on price. Where stretch/creep matters, you'll notice a difference, eg tack line 3. Closed 4. Point taken, I would've thought I'd you go bottom eye first then back to a block then back to cuno and down then it would just bottom out when it bottoms out but keep operating the cuno. I don't know the boats so I'm not sure if this is possible. 5. Fair point 6./7. Nice
@GrantRollerson
@GrantRollerson 6 ай бұрын
Btw if the halyards are hidden in the mast and you don't have a lock, may as well run 6mm sk99 max, since there's no real windage or weight penalty.
@GrantRollerson
@GrantRollerson 6 ай бұрын
Are you allowed titanium? Assume you are, if you're running Ti blocks, in which case swap out all the 316 for Ti, screws, bolts, nuts etc is not expensive and a decent weight gain.
@GrantRollerson
@GrantRollerson 6 ай бұрын
A lot of windage in that cap shroud system, be nice to see that taken into/onto the deck
@alx-vla4986
@alx-vla4986 6 ай бұрын
Why blocks and not low-friction rings?
@MozzySails
@MozzySails 6 ай бұрын
The low-friction rings still have quite a bit of friction, especially where you have 180 degree angle change. So for things that move a lot, we usually go for blocks. For lines that don't move often, or very far, then rings are a great weight and money saving alternative which is often stronger to and needs less maintenance.
@alx-vla4986
@alx-vla4986 6 ай бұрын
@@MozzySails Yep, I agree with your interpretation; it is correct that there's less friction on a block when it spins fast under a small load. I am unable to find the answers when the block is under an important load and moves slowly; that's why you probably chose metal ones. I imagine that it also has self-aligning linear bearings...but is it not overkill for small diameters? As the line gets smaller, the block also becomes a small radius, losing some of that wanted low friction; maybe mall rings with relatively small holes but wider radius could be better?
@peterdoherty876
@peterdoherty876 6 ай бұрын
Bimbled!
@alexmarinelli1483
@alexmarinelli1483 6 ай бұрын
Surely the loads in an RS800 don't warrant ultra high load blocks in most of these situations i.e. the jib sheet blocks given their price point and weight.
@MozzySails
@MozzySails 6 ай бұрын
Hey Alex, I think you're maybe right but they offer some piece of mind in marginal calls. The jib is 4:1. So if I am pulling a max of 20kg, then load on the sheet will be ~80kg, however the two blocks with high load sheaves in the jib system are turning points on the sheet, so take 2x80 =160kg. That's well over the working load for a plastic sheave at 20mm (115kg). Even the 30mm block on the jib car, a plastic sheave is 140kg MWL. The breaking loads are fine in both these cases, but regularly working over the max working load will cause the blocks to fail early. Upping the spec to a steel HL sheave does come with a price and weight penalty (~10g / ~£15 per block) but I know I won't have to replace these blocks as frequently. I think the block that is probably overkill is the XHL for the pole launch. When hoisting the kite there isn't much load and I think you would be fine with a plastic sheave with a MWL of 115kg. However, they get loaded once the kite fills and that's quite a hard load to quantify and will have big peaks slamming in to waves / gusts. Nevertheless, that XHL is rated for 900kg break and 400kg MWL which i think is extreme and would rip the deck eye out of the bow long before we saw those loads. That's an expensive block to at £122, so you could save £90 and 4grams by going to tie on with the steel HL sheave which has a break of 540 and MWL of 250kg. Honestly, this was a block that I got for another purpose, but then didn't use and I couldn't bear to have such a beautiful bit of kit lying around, so now it's lying in our bow like a like golden nugget. I think the kicker blocks are appropriately specked. You could maybe switch the top block in the cascade to a 30m single Tii with the HL sheave. Breaking load at 800kg would be fine, however I do think with a 16:1 purchase, pulling like 30kg you would be getting over the MWL quite often. There is an argument here that you could save a heap of weight and money by going for a alloy thimble. That does come with more friction though and I am literally pulling the kicker as hard as I can sometimes and added friction would the tension I am ultimately able to get to the sail cloth.
@MozzySails
@MozzySails 6 ай бұрын
pulling 20kg on jib is maybe an over estimate, maybe it's more like 15, and then there would be friction loses in the cascade, so potentially 50kg at the sheet and 100kg on the turning blocks. It's marginal though and I know from experience if I put plastic sheave blocks in those places they only last a couple of seasons. These steel sheaves will outlast my ownership of the boat and I don't have to worry about them blowing up during a regatta
@alexmarinelli1483
@alexmarinelli1483 6 ай бұрын
Yeah see what you mean. Definitely agree for vang primaries given all the purchase.
@rwg2626
@rwg2626 6 ай бұрын
7th viewer………
@the-naked-sailor
@the-naked-sailor 3 ай бұрын
Too many control lines for my liking.m I do like the jib traveller and head stay cleat.
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