It seems subaru is just playing statistics/odds that most engines will last past the 5 year / 60,000 mile warranty or people will mod enough to void warranty

@WIDEBODY NATION good to know, not what I was hoping for, I live quite aways from the shop yall use, so this is a bummer, hope she blows b4 60k then.

even if they have the warranty dose not mean the local authorized dealer will know how to fix it correctly . Better off buying a type r honda or gr corolla .

@terry lee well, both are overpriced and underperforming by cost, so if anything I'll trade in and get a new mustang gt, atleast they are msrp where I'm at.

Not as far as the WRX and STI goes. The rest of their cars are fine.

Ej257 and ej255 big pita

Subarus suffer from disproportionately poor ownership in my opinion. Many wrx/stis are teens first cool cars and they get dogged on. Most kids dont care about maintenance or are aware of when to stop beating on a car when there are signs of trouble. Subarus definitely have their quirks, but its greatly exacerbated by the owner demographic (modding, abuse, lack of maintenance)

The FA20 is a pretty good engine but the EJ engines aren’t very reliable unfortunately

@@layne4376 strongly disagree. Ringland failure and head gasket issues. I love Subarus but they aren’t

Seems like a good tip. I’ll talk to Adrian about it and see if that is easier/possible with the way we did it. The studs were definitely a pain

@@WIDEBODYNATION it honestly comes off like it's installed like that from the factory. I've dropped FA turbos more times than I have fingers are toes. Mostly when people wanted headers installed. I just use a transmission jack when lowering the entire turbo, headers and jpipe, it's fooking heavy all together.

apparently the WRX motors are being made in the same plant as the BRZ engines.

Good to know, these motors seem to be solid for now, just not able to tell long term in the 22 WRX yet

I have a 2019 ascent and just noticed small metal flakes in the oil when I drained it at 60k. I still have to cut the filter to see for sure. I'm hoping my drain pan was dirty from a previous job, but I don't think it was. Not something I want to see after buying it 5k miles ago.

Yeah that’s what we’re thinking too cuz the pan seal looked relatively in tact. They did use ALOT of RTV to seal the pan tho

They have not

Hopefully they’ll sort it out for 2023s

Recall for sure

Ewww leasing?

Good call. I'm a long time subaru fan but after driving a 22 wrx and being unimpressed and now hearing of all the horror stories happening already. Hard pass on the VB. You couldn't pay me to own one.

@@ianholmquist8492 what are the other stories besides this one?

Bluetooth head gasket

people are def over reacting to this.

Theres a few people pointing out that the pick up filter is a basket design with 5 sides. I agree though, very odd to be plastic and have the filter way up in there making inspection and cleaning very difficult

Our pleasure!

hoping the aftermarket helps this, agreed

yeah so same on EJ, the RTV issue has always been overblown (bordering on hysteria). But Boxer engines will always have an oiling issue, which you solve via aftermarket parts that are easy / cheap to do. People overhyping crap like usual, RTV isn't the issue or cause of any engine failure we're hearing, it's the oiling design of boxers that is (like you said, oil sloshing and the heads). If you want to race a boxer (subaru) then you need to get your oiling sorted first. This is just a fact of life given the design of boxers and common sense, and has been this way for decades, so it's nothing new (for anyone who knows Subarus). I can see why new people might find it strange, but anyone familar with subarus and boxers it's nothing new and RTV has nothing to do with it. Same as how if you want to track it you'll make sure you're using the appropriate oil, brake fluid, and other mods. And come on, most cars need to be prepped for racing to some extent, so it's not just a Subaru thing either. These are commercial econo cars at the end of the day not sold directly from factory as genuine pre-prepped race cars (def not in this price range). The thing with Subies, however, and perhaps the reason people like us like them so much, is that they have the potential to be built into race cars. The aftermarket support for them is absolutely massive. And the EJ especially, has had insane aftermarket R&D behind it for decades given its use in motorsports. The EJ can be built into an actual race motor. But the key words there is 'can be built', it requires lots of work and knowledge, which pro race shops can do and have no trouble doing. But for a hobbyist with no idea, who thinks they're Colin Mcrae, that is when problems start lol.

@@Jez4prez1 Sounds just like a fanboi making excuses for greedy manufacturer's mistakes.

@@ACitizenOfOurWorld No one cares what you think bro.

Thanks!

I perfectly drilled hole in the right spot of the pan would make inspection and full drainage easy (AKA not having do 90% of the stuff we did in this video)

@billisdewillis5 have you done the inspection port hole? How did it go. Sounds like something id want to do

So we should run heavier oil?

yes we do every 3,000 at max. My 2022 has had 2 oil changes now at only 3600 miles total

@@WIDEBODYNATIONhe 0w20 oils used in all the Japanese cars is a choice made not for the benefit of the engine, but for meeting CARB requirements and ultimately increasing the manufactures “efficiency” rating on a fleet wide basis. Using the thinner oils allows for less parasitic loss and therefore minutely better mpg per vehicle. Like .3% or something. Over the past 10 years, the manufacture domestic markets (jdm) maintained healthier maintenance specs for the vehicles than those provided for foreign markets (usdm). An example of this is Subaru of Japan says to change the oil on a cvt every 35k miles. While the exact same equipment gets a “lifetime oil” 0-change interval in the US market… Likewise, in JDM the cars called for heavier weight and therefore more protective oils than the US market, since the US Implemented CARB. We are all better off running 5w30 in our Subarus and Hondas, as the flow physics have a small margin of difference but provide better protection at operating temp. Any concern about cold weather flow of 5w oil can be remedied by using an oil pan heater and plugging below 30.

@@richeyrich2203 Hi. Interested to hear what exact brand / bottle of 5w20 you think would be best? Or even a list of top 3 or something?

@@Jez4prez1 in my 22 Rex, and my 22 passport, I use mobil 1 5w30 full synthetic. I also interchangeably use Kirkland brand full syn in the same weight. The Kirkland brand is just rebadged mobil1. I use those brands because it’s what is available at Costco, and for the best price around my area (6qt mobil1 for $35 or 2x5qt jugs for $31 Kirkland brand). Frankly, you can use any dextros 2 and better with API ratings and the oil will do its job. The important thing is to change it regularly, as it’s protection ability lowers with use and heat cycles. I change my oil every 3k in my turbo car and every 5k in my naturally aspirated vehicles.

Let us know!

Yeah it seems like the RTV issue isn’t just the pan, it’s multiple places

Just had my oil pan dropped, I had a ton of RTV in my oil pickup. My 22 WRX has 9500 miles on it.

@@jacobvoorhees1147what did it cost you? How many hours of shop time?

Any vehicle now a days requires that you keep a strict maintenance schedule if you want it to last. There’s just so many complex systems in todays vehicles. I can tell you this will be the last Subaru I buy. The fit & finish is horrible. The sheet metal is super thin, therefore the hood flex is horrible. Every little imperfection in the road and it flexes. The speakers for the stereo are laughable at best and the infotainment console is very glitchy when using it with Apple CarPlay, wired or wireless. I only bought the WRX because I wanted something that was AWD & fun to drive & didn’t break the bank. It’s fun to drive but the aforementioned things really bring it down. It’s definitely not a keeper past the warranty expiring.

Subaru warranty would only cover it at a Subaru dealership and that work would have to be authorized by Subaru of America. Warranty approval is not easy unless it’s already a known recall

even if there was a recall damage done already to engine . Remember even if it done at the dealership dose not mean the repair shop dose not know how to repair the problem correctly . Do people know who complex a engine is and to do over haul . Like taking something apart and after it all put back you have extra parts laying around lol .

Did you have to pay for it? Or did Subaru cover it?

@@WIDEBODYNATION i called subaru today about mine and they told me i would have to pay the 100/hour for labor. i got mine in aug 22 have 9540 miles have had zero issues so far. it's my only car and my daily and the dealer is an hour away. i feel a car is gonna get sold in my future.

Who engineered this pos . Jusr to save time and money . Robotics for you????

How much did it cost you? What was the labor time involved? Did they cover it under warranty service?

agreed! now on to JB4!

@@WIDEBODYNATION yep see what kind of power we can get out of it

Save the engine 🤣🤣🤣 yall to funny letting this man give you “info” he doesn’t even know himself

@@stef4862 ask your mom she knows!

Ahhh was that dealer recommended?

@WIDEBODYNATION yeh, I just picked up mine and they recommend and let you know to come in at 5k miles for a free oil change now.

Interesting what dealer?

@@WIDEBODYNATION I go to Valencia, CA.

@@WIDEBODYNATION kendall in marysville. talking with some techs and master techs apparently the rtv issue isn't catastrophic. even if the debris clogged over 20% you would have enough flow and pressure and would not starve your engine. this was apparently debunked the moment it came up but subaru is doing the change as a precaution. there still remains a .0001% that someone get's very unlucky where all the excess RTV manages to come off and perfectly clog the pass through, but even then, the chances of it happening are unlikely especially if the first oil change is completed within the 5k miles. i can't imagine the amount of kids wailing on their wrx's within the 1k mile break in period and claiming rtv is the issue. apparently the type r was worse in the amount of excess debris, but none of it was enough to cause issues.

Lol, faking for views. If I wanted more views, I would never post subie content and only post mopar

@@WIDEBODYNATION Lol, no! Dodge is overrated af. Post more Skyline stuff if you wants views, lol.

Yeah it’s a very annoying design and the plastic material is not ideal either…

Yes we weren’t happy when we pulled the pan and saw that…

Dealerships will be around $1000 plus or minus

Yes we resealed the pan with the normal RTV we use at the shop for all our jobs

You can always cut your own gasket out of .125 asbestos gasket blank. I’ve done it many times for custom repairs.

Most dealers aren’t even aware of this

roughly estimated*

Probably $900-$1500 depending on shop rate, hours charged, and oil used.

Probably $900-$1500 depending on shop rate, hours charged, and oil used.

Don’t bring it anywhere the car is completely fine, you do know you have power train warranty… this man doesn’t know what he’s on about. The new basket has 5 screens on it not 1 , meaning it’s a square with 5 sides available for oil to go through

@@stef4862 This was only 4k miles. Imagine a whole year or more with the rest of the excess falling off. It's like a straw, you get oil up but it's not enough to lube these glass FA boxer engines. Bunch of BRZ's take it to the track and their engine is done due to oil starvation. Most guys mod their WRX's so they won't be able to go to the dealer to fix it anyways

Pretty much unless you could really thread the needle with a long enough bore scope through the drain plug and up to the pick up but that would be almost impossible if not totally impossible

Dann, that's what I was thinking. Everyone in the forums say it's blown out of proportion. The pickup has 5 sides. But where is all that silicone when the car is running? What about the small pieces? How much of that RTV keeps coming off. To many variables. Subaru needs to step in. The BRZ's seem to be hit harder by this for some reason.

Or maybe it's just easier on BRZ to check because there's no turbo so more cases are being found?

@@bryanallendorf7064 you nailed it, no turbo in the way.

Air in a can once you’ve pulled the pan off

@@WIDEBODYNATION Yeah I was thinking, if there is a way to reverse the oil flow, reversing a pump or something, to push the rtv back into the pan, and then drain.

yeah hopefully someone figures out a way to do this... maybe pull a specific galley plug and blow out the pickup with compressed air and then flush and change oil.

Roughly 5 hours I believe

@@WIDEBODYNATION dang. That’s an 800$ repair for those who don’t have the kit to do it themselves

They are completely different vehicles lol

@@richeyrich2203 Yes and no. Only 1% of WRX owners actually drive them as they were intended, on a dirt track. The rest of WRX owners buy them as grocery getters, which makes it not much different than a Crosstrek.

Subaru doesn’t care

We will see. currently not a recall as of January 2023

Pretty much. Smeedia had a point lol

@@WIDEBODYNATION now they have to make it a recall otherwise if you do it yourself you void warranty lmao

They added the screen no? Still sheisty af…..makes me worried for my VB

The screen location is not ideal and makes it easy to clog. My screen was already half clogged as you saw and only at 3,600 miles

Seems like @subaru is just banking on the motors lasting until 60,001 miles

@@WIDEBODYNATION prime Motorsport put them on blast too, said fully clogged at 6k.

Hard to tell with these cars unless you have a tool to monitor oil pressure. I suppose you could watch the temp guage

Not a bad idea

it a joke who can afford the service just to do it every few month . Just buy type r or gr corolla .

3,600. Already did first oil change around 1500 miles.

Lol nice KZfaq name. So you’re saying that a clogged oil pick up wouldn’t cause engine failure?

@@WIDEBODYNATION The new oil pickup is a basket shape, which has 5 sides to take in oil from. The one side with the RTV is being blocked but it still has 4 other sides to allow oil to go through. They made it that way because they probably realized what was happening; with that being said, there shouldn't be any oil starvation. There is still plenty of space for the oil to go through, at most a small drop in pressure. This engine has been in the Ascent already (over 250,000 sold) and there hasn't been any issues. We obviously won't know until more miles on the VB but I don't forsee this as the reason to any engines failing.

5 sides?

@@WIDEBODYNATION 5 openings might be a better way to phrase it. The oil pickup in the BRZ during the time they were blowing up had just a single screen filter. This bucket style filter allows for oil to go through in 5 different area which allow oil to continue to flow even with that one side having RTV on it.

Gotcha, RTV anywhere in the system is not good tho

If it blows it should be a warranty repair

We will let y’all know

I agree but I don’t think they will

It’s a rubber/silicone style sealant used to help bind/seal parts for motors

A substitute for preformed gaskets of various materials

RTV is a sealant, in the automotive application; its used to mate surfaces together to provide an oil seal. Instead of producing gaskets, manufacturers have moved to RTV for cheaper cost of production, stock, and the versatile use. It's thick goo similar to cold toothpaste. It's applied by hand via: straight out of the tube exactly like toothpaste or put into a gun similar to caulking.

@@gavinbushore4203 Thanks this really makes sense! I have a VB WRX on 10k kilometres, now the engine light is on. I doubt if this is caused by that...

@@joshwakawaka7409 Curious what the check engine light is on for. Did you flash it?

@@gregaleksandrovsky5806 No I didn`t flash it. I will take it to the dealer to check this Wednesday to see what is going on there.

@@joshwakawaka7409 Keep us posted how that goes... new 22 owner here, 500 miles.

Stay tuned to see how long they last

Soooo you like RTV in your oil?

@@WIDEBODYNATION not at all but it’s not that big of a deal like u put it out to be

Meh, honeslty your comment seems “sketchy” cuz you used a double negative which is “sketchy” just like my shop✅

@tommykentner

@@WIDEBODYNATION the way the basket is redesigned tells you what’s up 🙃, doesn’t mean go ahead and post some clickbait shit for views saying DESTROYED and all again just for views….. you do know theirs 5 surfaces on the new pickup basket …. Urs is clogged 1 out 5 sides So it’s not such a big of a deal at all….. yes looks bad on Subarus side but, the car running like that is more than completely fine, unles all 5 sides are clogged then that’s different. I just don’t like people who over exaggerate Like little girls If you want to have a KZfaq channel informing people on shit u barley know…. Then do it in a way that is less info more learning urself cuz u obviously know slack shit

to my knowledge, subaru does not have this as an official recall yet, so it would depend on your dealership if they work with you to cover it.... the subaru dealer i called didnt even know that this was an issue

@@WIDEBODYNATIONdid you file a claim to help increase the case load for a recall?