And no one should be buying the 6500 XT for any more than $100. Though that's just my opinion.

i would pay maximum 280-300 ... no more ... as i paid for the 6500 XT 230 :)

...on second thought, I think I'll stick with my Sapphire 7870 for now.

True, Thats some bull that Intel doing this kind of crap. Thank you so much for reviewing this. Without something like this people will not know. My next GPU going to be AMD all the way.

this is a garbage deal. the 2060 supper is literally a better card and like its 4 yrs old now right?

1080 ti is still a beast to this day

Still thinking on buying a 1080ti but those gpu prices are pretty annoying those 2 years now

after the 2080 every thing went to shit howmany 30 series do you need to make it saleble

Glory days when a 1080ti was ~$700

@@mitsostechtips9047 better off just saving for a 3080 depending on the 1080ti you want now 😫

I see one for $799 now. Ridiculous since the 3080's original msrp was "only" $1100 in Australia (assuming you could have gotten it for that price, which of course you couldn't.) Fucking scalpers.

Satisfied with my 1660 ti

@@pareshpadhi2454 Same here . I built my PC in early 2019. Didn't want to pay the extra cash for the lowest RTX card 2060 at the time. As Ray tracing wasn't that great on the best of cards. Figured I'd wait until the 3000 series came along to upgrade. But we all know how that has went. Refuse to overpay for these cards or any if it never gets rectified. Other hobbies to enjoy as well as other responsibilities more important to spend money on.

Bruh I’m running an RX 570 8GB and I’m not even seeing this as a reasonable upgrade lmao

I'm also running a 1060 6gb. It's fine until the prices go down. Every 6 months or so I check lol

Yeah it’s just the inflated prices of graphics cards, due to the scalping market. And industries/jobs that need the computing power of graphics cards are increasing making it harder to get them as well.

I mostly agree, though some allowance for inflation between releases should be factored in.

You can go a step further and remove the MSRP as price points as well, should be looking at retail pricing period.

@Eric the 2080 Ti being that expensive has nothing to do with inflation and was just way overpriced.

@@traitoR142 NVIDIA doesn't set retail pricing. It's worth discussing in the review but you can't criticise NVIDIA for the retailers putting an excessive markup.

@Eric I have noticed. But that's not related to inflation.

💯. This card should be at least as good as a 2060, no exceptions.

This car is even pointless to those who own a 1660Ti. A few frames of gain here and there. And considering the current scalp prices - just seen this card for already at $560 pricetag, and that's absolutely ridiculous.

With its speed, it compares to a EVGA 1660 Ti XC Gaming card I bought in 2018. My card gets 1850Mhz boost and the 3050 gets about that same amount. Granted, my card doesn't have RTX but that's all I'm missing. I paid $280. This 3050 will never be seen for $250.

@@Moshenokoji They released a 2060 a few weeks before the 3050, so why would they need another one? Not saying its a good card either

Hmm. The second number in Nvidias lineup has always been more important than the first. Still it's sad that a card that was affordable 6 years ago (1070) is better than an equally affordable card today.

God damn where I live the 2060 is 200 usd more the 3050 is like 400 used for us

​@@fireballyt3676 These are decent GPUs, but technically they're the lower end of this GPU generation and it shouldn't cost a fortune to play some games. I'd be okay with 200$ for a 3050, but current prices are still a joke.

@@Badtaste21 yea I really wish scalping was illegal cause I could have gotten a 3050 for the original msrp

Yes I’m looking to buy a budget laptop But watching these vedios make me thing smart move would be to buy a high budget lap. Bcz mid range laps will also get out dated quickly and won’t be able to play the upcoming games

I'm holding out for an RT3010.

Noone is or should be :) *silent follower waving a flag*

Good times bad times you know I've had my share...

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@@5ped0fs0und5 Led Zeppelin 👌

Yeah i had a 1660ti... honestly i never realized how perfect of an in between it was from 10/20 series and 30 series. I'm so mad it broke... now im running a 1650.. which im not really that mad about, i really just need a new CPU and that holds my gaming back sometimes for performance.

3050 supports dlss which would make it better than 1660ti

800$ for a used 1070? What are you taking? Its around 300-400$ clown

@@gejamugamlatsoomanam7716 I picked a 1660TI VS A 3050 in gpu boss and they are border line the same.. the 1660TI has some better numbers and so does the 3050.

I still ha e my zotac 1070 I bought for $670 Cdn in 2016. I did have an opportunity to buy a 2080ti when I upgraded to a ryzen 3700x in 2019, but passed on it as being too expensive. Joke's on me I guess.

im still using my 580 and damn do i want to upgrade..

Got my 8gb RX 570 for $110 🤣

I just bought RX 6700 XT for 529 US dollars. How have things improved since the video was uploaded.

@@Kynareth6 Indeed, I couldn't believe when I was searching yesterday or the day before, every damn card was back to MSRP, or just barely above, seeing new low end cards for just over $250 again is pretty great, can't wait to grab a new GPU next month, honestly, I've been waiting almost 2 years now to buy a new card, no way I could afford a grand for a mid range card.

I heard that too. Actually backed up 10secs to listen again and see if I missed any silly little note from Phil. *Skeptimism?!* 😜😜😂 Sadly, no Phil editing humor was detected. Even so, I could practically hear his giggling in my head. Good enough!

Literally scrolled until i found this comment 😂😂

Lol i laughed pretty hard

Phil missed it!!!

Lol

well so are Consoles for rich people

@@trollwarlord2967 Maybe for some people. But I'm talking "relatively". Belluar recently covered this using sources like Digital Foundry(for benchmarks), comparing the cost of building a PC right now aiming to get similar performance as a PS5. And it just costs more than to get a console. The GPUs are just way overpriced right now

@@meronkari1910 prices of GPUs will go down once production picks up which will be soon

@@trollwarlord2967 I'll believe that when I actually see it (when it actually happens). Last year, TSMC raised their chip prices by 20% as well. So I'm having my doubts. So, at least for now, console gaming is cheaper. I'll change my opinion when I actually see prices go back to normal.

@@meronkari1910 well also games are significantly cheaper on pc not sure about Consoles and last year next gen wasn't even available at alot of places

It would be cool if you have pictures of it, I wanna see!!

They probably had to wait for enough chips that binned below 3060 spec to build up. I doubt this card is going to get a ton of restocks. Especially after the inevitable 3050 ti comes out.

This is the card I wanted to get becuase the TDP is low, it took too long to come out so I got a 3060 Ti instead. That's literally why Nvidia and AMD never release budget cards anywhere near the performance cards.

@@jasonlewis810 If you look at the specs, they largely match the existing 3050 Ti, with the biggest differences (TDP notwithstanding) being the VRAM and silicon used.

BUT we 100% needed extra versions of the 3080, 3070, 3090 and the useless 12gb non Ti 3060 before this probably according to Nidiva

It should also have launched at about half the MSRP... :(

IT NEEDS TO BE ILLEGAL FOR STORES TO RAISE PRICES PAST MSRP

@@greengamerguy623 That is an asinine statement if you know ANYTHING about how markets work. There should be a "cap" and in some products there are "gouging caps" but saying it should be illegal to raise prices of something above a "SUGGESTED retail price" is just stuipid

@@dralord1307 Yeah there should it should be like maximum 1.5 times past MSRP or something like that.

@@dralord1307 preach

@@greengamerguy623 you really dont want to do that because rather than increasing instore prices they will increase msrp. You cant cap msrp because new items and more advanced technology makes them more expensive. A good example is the rnd between the old 24nm and the new 5nm chips. If msrp is also limited the only products you will get are ones that break after a few months. Companies need to make money limiting one resource of income will only affect other ones.

All reviewrs get this "wrong" bios..but people can put this in there cards for free.

GN said the performance difference was 2~3%. Hardly a game-changing difference, though.

@@surpriseblueviana3803 obviously It's the same as adding 150mhz or something in afterburner

IT NEEDS TO BE ILLEGAL FOR STORES TO RAISE PRICES PAST MSRP

@@greengamerguy623 THAT'S NOT WHAT MSRP IS FOR ALSO WHY ARE YOU SCREAMING

Right, I bought a 2060 used for 300 bucks just months before it went crazy and over doubled in price... always wonder if that person kicks themselves for not waiting another month or two... either way I'm happy I snagged it when I did, came from an rx580 which ain't a bad card still with the way the market is... good luck to ya'll and don't forget about AMD CPUs with integrated graphics... I've built 3 pcs with them and they work really well for what they are... atleast get you up and running and then you can wait to find a good deal on a card

I built my first PC in 2019 and boutgh a 580 8gb because I didn't want to spend the $$ for a 20 series as it seemed way too pricey, even though I could afford it back then. Now I'm obsessed with PC gaming and stuck on w/my 580 kicking myself. LOL. 580 is still a good card but DAMN IT. Funny enough some 580s are selling for like $300 now (bought mine on salefor $150 3 years ago).

Compares to a 2060 KO which blows it out of the water

@@beemrmem3 Any standard 6gb 2060 does

@@Vorniforous Same here dude, couldn't be happier with this card, so much breathing room now.

We all have 😭

What is a MSRP?

@@yoshimitsu8643 Manufacturers Suggested Retail Price.

That is now! Prices are below msrp, and if u live in the usa ur cards are super cheap! I live in croatia and cards here are much more expensive than usa

The margin between the 3050's actual price and the 6600's actual price is very small in India as well. There is a massive performance gain in favour of the 6600 for just a little more and I feel Nvidia's AIB partners may have killed this card with their greed.

Yes but the rx 6600 is garbage lol

@@JohnDoeC78 then RTX 3050 has to be a joke while being worse than garbage.

My joke of a card is laughing at the 2080/3060 then. Fine by me. Maybe worry about your own rig.

That's insane, I just bought 2060 Super for about $550 USD.

same here i bought the 3060 ti to for $769 but 826 with tax which i that was so trash but then canceled cause i really thought to myself. why iam even buying this? there’s no games that i play that require a 3060 ti. if i end up do buying it i want to have the gear for it like 1440p i’m on 1080p and i’m used it since i was born with it.

@@masonbain7098 why didn’t u just get a 3060. Ti so u wouldn’t have to upgrade for a while

Graphics*

Now that companies have seen that people are willing to pay exorbitant prices for graphics cards there's no way in hell they are going back down.

Enjoy the new PC, Tom!

There is overall inflation building up fast and obviously the big tech companies are aware of the situation. Don't bet on prices getting back to normal - possibly ever.

The mid range middle class is going obsolete.

Not even 6GB, right before COVID + Mining. I paid 130$ for my GTX 970 and a few weeks ago I sold if for 200$ to buy me my current 3060ti

I wholeheartedly agree with you. Whats gonna happen to crypto if the net ever goes down?

@@billchildress9756 We talking the internet as an entire infrastructure? If something that apocalyptic happens chances are we're not using money anymore anyway and crypto isn't really the main concern of anyone still surviving. Fending off the cannibal hordes would take priority.

The 970 started out at 329 MSRP, this STILL isnt worth replacing it ffs.

because 3050 is the 2050 which never came out as it's specs lies between a 1660ti and super

Yep. This should be at the level of a 2060 or 2060 Super: not a 1660. Also, last generation was underwhelming, so (especially for the price) the performance should actually be higher: nothing less than a 2060 Super... at ~$200 USD. This card is not a good product: just better compared to something like the RX 6500 XT.

Good luck affording a 2060 though.

Man more and more do I feel like those days are over. I had a 980 Ti cost 630$ new and in a generation the 1070 took its performance for 200$ less. Turing kinda screwed all that up.

i think even HU got the same, basically they faked the review so... not JAyz fault but still he got numbers better than they should be

@@failomas1443 should i get since i have a 1050 ti

@@failomas1443 If im not mistaken HU tested the Gigabyte and Palit GPUs and not the EVGA one.

This is Nvidias doing, make it out to be a great GPU due to the better benchmark numbers.

@@mvmhunterkiller They did sent and email about it, LTT managed to work the correct numbers in while GN said they had just completed benchmarking and was less than 12 hours before they shoot the video. It's not like it's a huge bump 2-3% over the base card at best.

i have a rog strix 1080 ti oc 11g that i got for 400$ this thing is a beast. wont be upgrading for a very long time

In UK 6500xt in stock, and not only that, its on sale for 199 Pounds (tax included) so I checked exchange, its 260$ (tax included), reason people don't buy it there is no use for this card, there is no point upgrading if you have older sistem with pcie 3.0, and its like 90% of pc still runs on it, so people who have gtx 1060 or rx 570 or better there is no point to upgrade it, it will be worse then those cards...

1650 is a plain hot garbage. if you can, do upgrade it. Even this 3050 will be a good upgrade.

@@abdulbasitafzal8321 garbage for you. not for him

@@abdulbasitafzal8321 i wish i had a 1650 man, i still got a 1050 bottlenecking my 11400f :/

@@nicolasreveco3748 is that the ti version? Even if its not, believe me when i say you aren't missing out on much. Price hike aside 1650 is literally the worst card in its price bracket. Its like a 6500xt in disguise but worse. Dont even know what nvidia was even thinking. Also the gpu shouldn't bottleneck any more than usual. Are you playing any gpu intensive game? Coz if its valo or cs go than you shouldn't have any problem. Might want to reinstall drivers or some thing..

I bought the exact same card except msi. Also upgraded from a 1050ti. I'm liking the performance. I did overpay by like 75$ however it's better than overpaying by like 300$ lol

You were right and wrong at the same time. The 20 series is definitely better then the 20 series but it depends which one you get. For example the 3070 is better then the 2060, 2070, 2080 and on par with the 2080ti, the 3060ti is about the same as the 2080 and the 3060 is around the 2060 super and 2070 in terms of power. The 3050 is the weakest one and would be on par with the regular 2060.

@@darkhaven9119 I had a RTX2060 and I upgraded to a RTX3050 and my performance got a huge impact, I lost 10% FPS on every single game. Thats when I started studying about PCs and built my first two

@@darkhaven9119 Now I own a 6800 XT, I7 12700K, Z690, 64GB of 3600MHz... And my wife has a 2080 Super, 5600X, B550, 32GB of 3200Mhz I only game and she actually works with illustrator, rendering and yadayada

@@Eu.FelipeSaldanha I’m sorry bro and damn I didn’t realize the 3050 was worse then the 2070 considering they 3060 is on part with the 2070 and the 3070 is on par with the 2080ti.

@@Eu.FelipeSaldanha I just upgraded from a 2070 to a 3070ti. It’s amazing. If it weren’t for scalpers I could of got a 3080ti so I’m sad about that but I’m still happy with this card. Now I just need to wait for ryzen zen 4 to come out and I can upgrade my 10700k to a ryzen 7900x, my 32gb of ddr4 ram to 64gb of ddr5 ram and my m.2 to plce gen 4 and I’ll be all set lol.

gtx 16 and rtx 20 is the same gen, so comparison is one gen, still bs tho

They do that because consumers don't switch every generation.

@@Dunnbar still it's not right, consumers can do their own investigation but performance always has to be compared within one generation difference

Tbf to nvidia the card is kind of a competitor to the 1650. Also what else do you have to compare it to?

Pffft Dank Lulu u r a PEASANT

I had 1050 ti with stock clock 1350 MHz. It was simple zotac card without any OC or anything else. It went to 1800+MHz automatically when gaming. And I could reach it to 1933 MHz (highest for 1050 ti) if I OCed. I'd say OC edition / extreme/ Strix. They just have different fan and PCB quality. Other than that performance has no impact other than chip itself. Although I'd say you should go for good quality PCB if you're paying for 60 series card +. As it comes with more durable capacitors, VRM. And other factor is warranty and post sell service.

I would as well, but sadly the games I play aren't available on console

@@Xantium0 It's hilarious how I wanted to escape console gaming cause paying to play online is ridiculous. I bought a shitty laptop with a 1050 for school and was saving up to get a desktop, all while building up my game library. Then shit hit the fan and all those plans died. I'm thinking of returning to console but I already have a bunch of games on PC so it'd be a waste to not use em. In hindsight, I should've bought a way better laptop and just not even bother with desk. Oh well

Ha. Ditto. 2107 build with a water cooled GTX 1070. Still going strong. I do feel its starting to struggle with higher end graphics but for price/perfromance/age - its superb. Im looking around for components for a potential build at the end of the year but the 3060ti for example, is freaking $1650 AUS. Thats nuts.

@@Walamonga1313 ouch that sucks. Tbh I'd advise against consoles personally. You can do so much with laptops, outside of gaming consoles are just useless pieces of plastic tbb

@@bjornefellhanded9708 I'm looking at a 3060 rn for 1.2k. I'll probably get a case downgrade and get it to 1.15k but still

The price,that's why. A 50 series card was 150 before,this shit is 230 (though it's selling for 450 now)

@@joelshajan8706 you must have missed the sarcasm. lol.

@@shawnpaulzuccarellorizzo I guess I did

3050 is 69% faster than 1650 and double the vram but only 6% faster than a 1660s. I also upgraded from a 1650 to a 3050 and love it.

I'd still say that this card would be sensible in a laptop if you need more than the intel garbage offers but still want a good battery life.

in my country. actually its $500 for 3050.

GTX1080ti did cost only a little more when it came out and was about 70% faster then the previous generation...

@@TheExileFox I mean not really unless they got that 100 watt tdp down by lot.

Do you watch the rest of his stuff? It's a lot better than the stuff you'll never have your hands on and it'd help the crew keep making content

@@yeseldiaz3453 i watch a lot of his stuff but mostly video card atm .. still running an old r9 280 and i play ark .. : /

@@snakeeyesmahagee416 that's understandable. I hope you land a new one soon!

@@yeseldiaz3453 way things are looking will likely be next year .. maybe by then things will have finally settled down

If you rocking the z390 chipset there's no big reasons to build another computer! This is not happening only in GPU's... It's happening in a lot of stuff. CPU's, M.2's,.... If you have an Intel 9900k for example, changing to another generation you'll get a 20-40 fps increase ONLY. 3 CPU generations after and that's what you get. Andddd not to mention the insane TDP they 'drink'. They draw almost the double of the power. Double the power but only a 20-40 fps increase?!? Yupppp, it's that bad. Even the M.2 gen4 drives can be slower than M.2 gen3 drives. It's crazy! That chipset is gold. I may be exaggerating a bit but the truth won't be far from what I've said. Now if you want to run 4K... Those 20-40 fps can make the difference for sure. But I think the budget will be around the 4k mark rather. The GPU alone will hit the 2k. The 4k monitor will be also expensive...

only good upgrade for you would be 3060 ti

What's the best and cheapest out of all the 30 series?

@@Lucrativecris 3060TI is prob the best bang for the buck atm

@@mattmitch6 What separates the 3090 against the 3060ti i was thinking of getting myself a 3060 since it has 12gb of vram

@@Lucrativecris depending on your cpu and what youre doing will determine how well the card does, but if its standard use and gaming at 1080p; the only difference would be 10-30ish fps at ultra settings. And if you went 20 series. A 2070super is just about the same as a 3060ti with less efficiency

That would be difficult with game updates and driver updates so the FPS can vary and might not be accurate

An xbox series x is legit better then a computer with this garbage in it

@@justinburtonracing5135 but it’s hard to computer on a series X

@@buenomini that's why I have a Corsair i300 with a 3080ti 12900k and 64gb ddr5

@@justinburtonracing5135 ha nerd

I got mine with a strix b550 mb on the new egg shuffle for about $740. That's a $180 mb, so I still way overpaid. But it's much better than the rx 570 I was using on my main system.

Very bland game graphically lol. Oh it has ray tracing lol it's still lipstick on a pig.

LOL

It is fine so long as everyone tells us that is what happened. If they did not disclose this it would look far worse. People screw up, fortunately EVGA admitted it before people spent their money and before the reviews went live.

There was a vbios update pushed that gn and ltt talked about seriously increasing the performance so it’s a little less sad if you look at those charts

i just hope prices go down cause my 1050 is the only thing bottlenecking my pc atm

@@nicolasreveco3748 The 1050 is still a very good GPU for 1280x1024 gaming. I'm still rocking my over 13yo vmodded ATi HD4670.

The 1660 is not a good buy for gaming because it is horribly overpriced, but the cost is high because it is good at mining Ethereum...

Yes he did.

Maybe once Intel enters the market it will kill some of the demand, and prices will drop. I would love to update my gtx 1060 3gb, even with an rtx 3050.

@@erich6860 same here, even a 3050 would be a significant upgrade for me

@@MemestiffGaming same I’m still running a gtx 970

I reckon the gap would be severe...

@@MrExcessum The 3060 is roughly equal to a 2070S/5700XT so yes the gap is huge.

How exactly did Nvidia make AMD look bad via marketing ? I'm just curious

@@anonymouseniller6688 if you think about it 3050(250$ MSRP) vs 6500xt(200$ MSRP) the 3050 leaves it in the dust AMD was just trying to get any kind of gpu into people's hands for an affordable price, while NVIDIA can say "oh that GPU is a cash-grab that can barely run games, here come buy OUR cash-grab for only $50 more that actually runs like a semi-decent GPU"

Not in Asia its 900 $ here 😂.

same (3070) almost double the price right now if u can even find one

I have been waiting in EVGA's queue for almost 14 months now....😔

@@Mediocrity_In_Action They wont even let me in the 3080 12GB queue. If you are still in the original queue, it isnt happening....

@@andrewt.5567 It eventually will. I had a buddy just got his.

I bought a GT 1030 last January for $80 brand new from Amazon, to put in my first ever PC build (music production PC). A few months later I checked the price of the same card and it was selling for $130. Super happy I at least got a low end GPU for a low end price lol

Performance of all the latest gpu are super inconsistent and all over the place, so without testing 20+ games and all the new cards+older cards, its very hard to tell anymore. Plus reviewers only go back 1 generation and pick a few skews to test. Which for people even just 2 gens behind, get royally fucked and have to guess and just hope they're getting a big enough upgrade. I'm on a 980 Ti Classy. Some tech channels say its as fast as one thing, this one says/shows its even faster than that thing, others say its slower than X. Idk. Its just hard to tell anymore without actual 1-1 benchmarks. Id say if your happy with it, hold onto it and just save for the exact gpu u want and say fuck everyone else and buy what makes you happy lol

If you're happy with your card playing Zelda and Minecraft, there's no reason to upgrade,

@@virtualpilgrim8645 no, I run plenty of titles including current AAA at reasonable to great FPS.