I find your discussions objective and realistic. It is a pleasure listening to you guys. I’m a Springbok supporter and most you had to say in this discussion is spot on.

I am also a South-African, and Springbok supporter, but I never miss a podcast from you guys. It's always insightful and entertaining. Great chemistry and energy between you guys.

These guys are brilliant. As a South African that was such a tough game to watch. England had us and I was dead quiet for 65min. They pick and executed a game plan to the T. Unfortunately for them we have quality in depth where it mattered. I had a feeling we might struggle to get up again after such a big game against France and that's the way it played out. We just managed to find a way. Respect to both teams.

Credit to Andy Goode for correctly analyzing the refs performance. I reckon Andy nails his analysis more often than not.

Billy should of been no where near that team big mistake by borthwick. ludlum should of been on the bench.

Boks supporter here... Hard Luck England! You really brought a great effort and must say WELL PLAYED! Tip of Hat to you and really looking forward to future of English Rugby! ....AND LOVE the ABs!! May the best team win as BOTH deserve a 4th title - just love playing the ABs! #History #RugbyHallofFame

huge respect for this honest appraisal of the game, especially with the narrative being pushed by most pundits and fans. England can be proud of their performance. As a Bok fan I breathed a massive sigh of relief at the end of that match...proper test match drama.

By far and away the most balanced, accurate, intelligent podcast in rugby. Stephen Jones and co - and matt williams and co - should watch this and learn.

This is the most unbiased and knowledgeable team on KZfaq.

A very fair and balanced analysis of the game. Great video lads.

Hey guys, As a Springboks supporter I really appreciate your honesty and insight. With 20 to go, there was no way we could win and I was congratulating my English mates for the better performance on the day!

This is honestly the best analysis of that last ten minutes and the scrums. I'm South African and we were REALLY shocked with the refereeing mainly in the 1st half. That doesn't hide the fact that SA were UNBELIEVABLY poor.

Elliot Daly has actually gathered a bit of a reputation for being able to put a hit in since the Lions tour of 2021. Fair play to him

Now this is what I call a real unbiased review. No bs about changing the whole scrum package just because of one controversial call. You get my love bois

Watching you guys is refreshing. Unbiased, open minded, jovial and realistic. A true pleasure. Best rugby podcast by miles. Some other "pundits" could learn a lot.

Billy V looked like he didn't want to be there!

I don't give a F... what people say, I watch this game now 3 times, England played very structured and bloody well. They keep all the South African gates closed except for one ( ONLY ONE MISTAKE ) mistake, and hereby I do not want to blame or shame, I want to highlight the gate that England open for the Boks to sniff a gap for the win. Freddy Stewardt should have NEVER kick the up and under and with this kick it to the stronger field position of SA. He should have kick it deep and in the middle. And that mistake / kick cost England the game and the final, So leave Ben o Keefe out of this, as he give 70% of the 50/50 calls to England. ( Especialy the first half ) England number 8 and Farrel and Stewardt were excellent so please give them credit. Saying this, if England win, Stewardt was hands down the man off the match. Now - Remember the Springboks have in every world cup since 1995 ONE BAD game, 95 France - Semis, 99 - Aussie Semis, 03 NZ - Quarters, 07 Tonga - Group, 11 Ausies - Quarters, 15 Japan - Group, 19 Wales - Semis and for sure now England in Semis,

Clear and informed discussion. All Saffa and English fans need to hear this to get an accurate perspective on the game and some of the more controversial elements that have fans letting loose on social media. The level of unbiased reflection is a credit to the presenters. Thank you.

These are the guys that should be on TV, objective a d unbiased. Bloodie hell those ausie and irish pundets just hate SA lol. So many pundits saying the way SA play is wrong and not good for the game but it's England that have been the kicking side for a while now. SA actually tries to score tries.

As Bok fan I must say I admire your fairplay, guys! Respect. Thank you for an unforgettable game!

Excellent analysis - and nice to see the referee being defended after all the criticism he had received.

Excellent commentary! This was an epic battle and England should be proud. Now to see if our team has the mental resilience to step up their game and wage the next battle against the All Blacks!

Thank you gents for the most balanced and insightful analysis of the game. Especially when looking at Ben O Keeffe - the man doesn't deserve what's come his way

Howzit boys, Bok supporter here. Thanks for a fantastic podcast; I have been looking forward to them as much as the games on the weekend! There have been a few battles in this World Cup, but the Bokke have been at war! Man, this has been the craziest lineup for the Bokke, and to face the All Blacks at the end is like meeting the final boss in a Video Game. Win or lose, I am so proud of the team, and I also look forward to the Haka, as it makes the hairs on my arms stand up. The bigger the challenge, the greater the victory! On a side note I think the Argi's want the bronze more than the English, it is going to be ON!!

As a Saffa, I appreciate the honesty here. I'm happy to admit that England was the better team on the day and the Boks, sneaked one by playing 12 minutes of rugby at the end.

Great discussion. Thanks. As a South African, I can say this, England outplayed SA for 60 minutes. South Africa outplayed England in 10 minutes, that mattered. Hats off to England, and respect to the team and the management. A game is 80 minutes, and what a game . Maybe next time England.

This channel has been so great all World Cup, Superb. The semi was tough, proud of England but SA did what they do best - grinding out wins. Congrats to them!

Absolutely spot on analysis boys. We can't blame the ref. ..I felt the momentum shift when England changed their front row, just hoping we could hang on but well done to the boks...I agree also that Sinkler has lost his edge compared to 3 or 4 years ago...Perhaps Borthwick needs a chat with Pat Lamb because both his 1st choice props seem to be going backwards since moving to Bristol....scrummaging and in the loose! Just my opinion.

I definitely saw the Springboks calm down when Pollard came on. He made a HUGE difference from minute one.

Obviously it was a devastating loss from an English point of view. The result wasn't what English rugby wanted, but it was the performance that we needed. I felt immense pride watching England during that game - a feeling that I hadn't felt since WC2019. It was a heroic performance. On another day, we could have edged it. For the first time, I feel Steve Borthwick is the man to lead us. I don't really have any concern with our backs, the talent is there and we will utilise those talents more going forward. Definitely more so when it's not as wet as it was on Saturday evening. We need some refinements in certain areas; i'd argue up front really. Our front row needs a lot of work, as does a succession plan for Jamie George. If England can get this sorted, I think that the forwards will considerably improve with decent coaching and continuity in selection. All in all, the future is very bright for England. Lastly, South Africa dug in brilliantly and deserved to win. If they do go on to beat New Zealand, (although I don't think they will), no-one could ever argue that they don't deserve it.

Andy speaking the real facts. Flippen love listening to you guys. Purely objective. Love love love

Bortwick was praised for that performance but he must take blame for choosing Billy Vinopola who is so laxs and no focus. What a joke sub.

As a Springbok supporter fair play to England. They dominated us for 65 min. Can be proud the team played with passion! I actually respected Farells will to compete.

Huge appreciation for the honesty from you gentlemen. 🙏🏾 It's always a little more clearer when you watch the match again AFTER the emotional high 😂 One thing is for sure...England gave us hell!! 👏🏾👏🏾👏🏾👏🏾 As someone who's been watching the awful press those lads have had, I truly hope this made up for that a bit! 😊 Poor Ben O Keeffe has been very poorly treated...he explained everything EVERY TIME so I'm not sure why the negative press! Anyways...the finish line is here and it's gonna be epic! 🇿🇦🇿🇦🇳🇿🇳🇿

Thank you!!! This is why I love watching you guys! You are the only ones that’s actually talking about that Ben clearly said he gave the penalty for the knee on the ground! That call was good 👌💥

I'm English This is all well and good, heroic defence, fronting up to SA wonderfully BUT this was based around a game-plan that actively avoided ANY running with the ball 4 years on from the 2019 RWC final, England have no backs moves AT ALL, they weren't even prepared to run off 2nd or 3rd phase Until that changes, they won't beat the best sides

This is the best discussion by you guys since the World Cup started. Balanced unbiased factual using your rugby knowledge expertise, to share with us how and why the game turned out like it did. Thanks from a Saffer. 🇿🇦

Really love the unbiased analysis of the game, well done boys

I agree it is a pleasure to listen to someone honestly reviewing what happened and the context provided is great.

Love the transparency and your views. You boys get it spot on every time. Keep it coming!

As a Springbok supporter England 🏴󠁧󠁢󠁥󠁮󠁧󠁿 was on their Game and Steve inherited the Mess that Eddie has left him to get the team back in Form with very little time your discussion is realistic on all Games played no matter what team was playing love listening to the show a Fan from South Africa 🇿🇦 👍🏉

When the boks played like that in 2019 it was bad for the game now its called spectacular,only people that where underestimating england saying their gonna get taken to the gutters where northerners,south africa was always cautious

This is the best unbiased commentary of the game guys well done and specially of the end an all the emotion on both sides

I have to say you guys are brilliant. It is very refreshing to see three guys have a open objective discussion and are always fair and level headed in your feedback. It certainly is currently one of the best channels to watch. You guys are top notch in your feedback and passion for the game. To many people are ruining the love for the game and I know there are issues that need sorting. Rugby is awesome, and is played in many different ways. That makes it exciting and different. I feel for the referees today. They deserve so much credit, the stress and the abuse they deal with is not fair. Decisions will go for you and against you sometimes. I feel for England, they played brilliant rugby on the weekend and the Springboks had to dig deep. I think the Springboks have shown this Stronger Together belief and it has pulled us through. I fear for the final. I think we will be dead tired and battered and NZ are peaking and playing brilliant rugby again. This is a great rivalry and I hope the game is great on Saturday. Keep up this great channel gents, you guys are a great service for rugby and fair sportsmanship.

For the Springboks it's not embarrassing, the coaches and players understand this 100%, one have to make immediate change, doesn't matter which game or level.❤

Sinckler always has his feet slightly too far back even at the set. Whether that's because of his previous back problems or not I don't know, but it just means he's now a pretty weak scrummager because he has no forward force from his hips at the initial shove.

Such a good channel. Clear, well thought out, and unbiased opinions. I'm a South African and I really appreciate what you guys do. Thank you for this.

I am a huge Bok supporter and I hate the way Willie Le Roux has the verbals not with just the opposition but with his own teammates. Choose just about any game over the last decade and he is mouthing off at just about anyone in ear shot, often, amazingly enough when HE is the one has just fumbled and shanked a kick or missed a tackle, not the other guys. I hope he is a nicer bloke in person than he appears to be to the outside observer like me. So what if England players have been over-celebrating on the tiniest of victories. The in the face celebrations are uncalled for, unnecessary and not in keeping with the ethos that the Bok team professes to be about. An ethos we keep being reminded of from Kolisi, Neinaber & Ersamus.

Man.... as rugby lover I've got to say this is the best show ever. Call it what it is (or was).

As always best analysis around. Jim’s Scottish but very even handed and bang on. I do think there is something wrong with the rules when all 3 of the most important games result in legitimate debates about refereeing. Although an England fan for over half a century, I think the French suffered the worst from poor decisions.

It is fantastic to see such impartial commentary. Thank you, it was great to watch.

Just one extra comment on the scrums, the first scrum where Ox Nche was on, Marler and Cole were both still on and it was probably the most or second most dominant scrum for SA. They are undeniably better scrummagers than Sinckler et al and were 50 mins into a game by this point, but it really does boil down to how destructive Nche is at the moment in the scrum. I am convinced SA starts with Ox, Bongi, and maybe even Trevor this weekend, to try get ascendancy from the start of the game

Farrells discipline was poor although he had a good game otherwise. He also should have been sent off for cynical play, caused Damian De Allende`s pass to gte knocked out of his hands while having advantage 5m out from Englands line. Don`t now how the TMO didnt advise O`Keefe, clear as day he lifts his knee.

Long term the Chessum brothers at lock for England with George Martin and Itoje covering lock and six to replace Lawes. Earl at seven and Mercer at 8 with curry able to cover the back row. England desperately need some better scrummaging props than Genge and Sinckler, being moody around the pitch doesn't cut it at test level, Ox Nche won that game when he came on and dismantled Sinckler.

Thank you to this podcast team! I can see the guys are bleeding after the semi final game but your commentry is appreciated! Your knowledge of the game and what was happening on the field is brilliant! Well done

Fantastic take on the game! Great Pod you have here and keep going.

Bok fan, England did everything right except win the game. Huge respect 🦌💂🏻

The ghost of Dombrandt wins? And where was Ludlam? Eddie had favorites... Borthers has some of the same.

As a South African, I appreciate the honestly from these guys.

Great pod guys. Very fair, and you actually analyse the game and rugby in general. So much better than GBrugby from North and South. There's been a lot of talk about scums. Watched France England WC 2003... I was really surprised at how quickly the scrums went.. ball in ball out! Historically the scrum was meant to be a restart, not the ludicrously dominant part of the game it has become. Is there a discussion in world rugby to be had about this issue?? Anyway cheers guys.

I was cheering so hard for England. You’ve got some excellent players, 3 brilliant first fives, best at drop goals and penalties and some great forwards.

Very interested to see how the 6 nations go 🏴󠁧󠁢󠁷󠁬󠁳󠁿🏴󠁧󠁢󠁷󠁬󠁳󠁿🏴󠁧󠁢󠁷󠁬󠁳󠁿

Absolutely the most humble and unbiased coverage I've seen on this match. Not easy when the stakes are so high. Salute you guys!

This could be the best podcast (is that what we call it?) ever. So level headed and accurate. I watch yourselves and quite a few others for many months now and this tops everything.

I think it's worth mentioning that England's game plan was the rugby equivalent of football's 'parking-the-bus' and not a style that should grace a WC final. I thought the breakdown play was outstanding from England and Ben Earl was like a man possessed but if the only way for a team to play is to bypass 2/3 of the team is a pretty sad indictment of their skills.

"Our strategy was to only play the last 10 minutes to be fresh for the final" 🙂

Great review thanks guys. Wish main line media were more impartial and realistic the way you guys are. As an Englishman I think my dark thoughts looking forward are this was Englands best performance. This was at something like 96% output, and we lost to an SA who were maybe ambling along at 75%. We have nothing more to give, and hence we are quite rightly down at no. 6 in the world. How do we get to no. 4 in the next two years? Who knows, but we will need at the very least 3 new props, 1 or 2 centers and 1 winger. Unless Steve finds them we have no chance of challenging any of the top 4. Steve and the English clubs have their work cut out.

Whether the boks win or not, one of the best things I discovered this RWC were your podcast. It's refreshing to hear unbiased, insightful and knowledgeable content. Hope you guys continue.

England kicked 41 times and could not score a try against a "flat" bok side. Not a pretty game to watch at all. Curry was a beast and all bloodied but cries over Wit Kant😂😂

So much respect to you guys and your view on Ben O'Keeffe, very objective, I thought he was exceptional. He blew an amazing game and it was one of the best referee performances I've seen in the world cup

The most objective, balanced, and insightful post match review, well done guys!

As a South African I want to thank you guys for being so objective and honest England were a better team but the game is never won until the final whistle blow credit to England but at 15__6 they kept their guard down never underestimate your opponents love your analysis well done

Genge going down on one knee is not an offence, unless it is deemed to be a deliberate collapse. How on earth can the ref conclude the action was “deliberate” ?. If not deliberate, it’s a re-set.

The English played some of the best rugby they were capable of and the Boks played close to their worst and they still won. Just shows you the insane difference between the teams that on their best day they couldn't beat us on our worst day!

Really excellent and unbiased commenty - so refreshing to see! Keep up the good work, guys

NOW THIS IS OBJECTIVE COMMENTARY!!!! Much unlike Justin Marshall.... Well done Gentleman.

Why is it, (feels like every bloody team we've faced) they bring out their absolute best performance in the past 2 years!? And other teams, not naming names, gets a waaay easier time at it. This weekend, I will 100% be supporting and screaming for the "Groen Kant"! GO BOKKE!!

Just funny how England celebrate every opponent mistake like they've just won the world cup. Pathetic actually.

Im not English but South African , truth is only 1 team deserved to win . England . ... South Africa needed to use scrums penalties to win . England lost but South Africa did not win. ... England need to learn to close shop. South Africa was down and out ,, and England let them back in. 5 unforced errors at the start of 2nd half.

I said it elsewhere. England dominated everything in the first 60 minutes - possession, territory, scrums, lineouts, mauls, breakdowns and in the air - but they didn't use that dominance to put the game away. They were too conservative to win the game. The Boks were dire in the first 60 minutes, their energy levels were low and their accuracy was non-existent. Once the bench came on, they upped the Boks' energy levels and accuracy, scored a try and were back in it. I get it. Borthwick has gone back to the basics, a la Rassie in 2018, and is looking to build up from there. But they really lost a great chance to be in the final

You can't say England played well, because they didn't play any rugby. Kicking the ball 41 times is not really playing is it? I'd say they kicked better than us maybe or maybe recovered their kicks better than us. And that is about that. We attacked, tackled, scrummed and defended better than them. Anyway, England loves a "heroic" defeat more than a victory.

Dreadful game, the ball didn't go through the hands to the wings once. Yes, it was wet but so what? They employed the brand of rugby I hate. Negative and plsying the percentages. Delighted they lost.

i wish Matt Williams could listen to this amazing analysis. Fair, accurate, non biased

Love this podcast ! Thanks guys 🙏🏼.. since this World Cup have been a huge fan 🇿🇦💚💛

To all the angry poms that were looking to come here for comfort go watch another podcast. This one isn't biased. The fact that they even admitted to Ben basically handing you guys the first half yet u still lost!!!!

At 15-6 Farrell puts a beautiful little kick into the bok 22. Arendse fumbles it and Eng get a scrum. 3 points to make it 18-6 and its all over. But they DIDN'T. Instead the boks get out and score 10 points and win. Its about a lot more than the final scrum.

Honest and fair review. Subscribed. In the Final analysis, England at their best in the World Cup could not defeat the Boks at their worst. ;-)

So refreshing to hear an honest unbiased review from people who know what they're talking about. Well done

French, Irish and English allowed to complain about the ref but not other countries. Also France kicked 44 times v NZ and Eng. Saturday 41 times. But if SA kicks 20 times it is not okay. Then they brought on the BOMB SQUAD to inflict more pain and to finish them off. In the BATTLE England battered, bruised, bloodied and beaten - look at Tom Curry's face. He was in a war. Almost beautiful in its brutality ! In 2019 final Softy Sinckler faked concussion as he was to scared to scrum. He knew Beast Mtawarira was going to down his career. Instead it did this to Dan Coles. Did not play for Eng. more than 3 years. Then the English said, yes but our best scrummager was off the park. Now after Saturday they say Sinckler can't scrum. Do you remember how Sinckler last year nearly collapsed when Gregor Townsend brought on two SA'cans in Pierre Schoeman an W P Nel !

I've just binged four of your podcasts and they're f'ing outstanding. Love your work.

If Faz would have kept his pie-hole closed - the ten yards brought the kick within Libbok's range and theres the ball game!

Great chat as always. Agree that there were a few decisions that seemed to go England's way in the 1st half. But nothing crazy to detract from the fact that the Boks were nowhere. A couple of times it seemed they got away with pulling down maul which I was surprised by.

England played a good game with more intensity than the boks, but they should’ve extended their lead. 15mim left on the clock was more than enough time to take the lead for the boks. England kicking game was putting us under pressure and then they did one to many, instead of keeping the ball nr15 kicked an up and under straight up and putting themselves under pressure, knocking the ball and scrum to they boks. England played well, but the boks(even with the lack of energy) was world class to hang in there, waited for the opportunity and scored. The game is 80mim not 65mim. Great game by both teams. Thank you for the great show!

So happy there is common sense here regarding the weather. Anyone whose played rugby in the rain know that it levels the playing field in a big way. England played well and I would never say otherways but my god everytime I mention the weather I get pelted from every side. Great chat chaps. Some really interesting points here.

Billy Vuniploa did not seem to be there on Saturday. He's given a lot to England over the years and it was a real shame.

Thanks for the honesty regarding the refeering & scrum calls.

As northern hemisphere pundits .U the only guys that is transparent.Lots of calls went against the boks but i can guarenteed u if the pitch was dry ,it would have been a totally different game .i aplaud u for your honesty

Pity these don’t do the commentating. The commentators never mentioned O’Keefe favouring England early on which lead to the Boks looking poor and you couple the wet ball and they lost heavily in first 30min. After some strong talks by Siya, Ref was more balanced and the fight back was on. I liked ‘OKeefe but after this game, he is off my list, the referrals have been great in the 2023 RWC, he seems to refuse to use this fix for poor / unnoticed decision. I saw too many tackles that were at least a yellow card up to this stage of RWC. Great review, honest and knowledgeable.

That was the best analysis of the game I have read or heard. Excellent. It was a cracking game.

The most unbiased review I have heard of this game....I know it's difficult to except defeat from the jaws of victory and usually the losing teams supporters usually finds excuses for the loss and it could have been South Africa.But these guys were on point in this review.Appreciated your honesty....thanx guys!!!!