Saw 'Em Up: I rolled 1, 1, 2, 2, 3, 3. Let's assign letters to them to make things more clear: 1a, 1b, 2a, 2b, 3a, 3b. I have the following groups: 1a, 2a | 1b, 2b | 2a, 3a | 2b, 3b | 1a, 2a, 3a | 1b, 2b, 3b. You thought that was it? Nah, man. 1a, 2b | 1b, 2a | 2a, 3b | 2b, 3a | 1a, 2a, 3b | 1a, 2b, 3a | 1a, 2b, 3b | 1b, 2a, 3a | 1b, 2a, 3b | 1b, 2b, 3a. I deal 3 x 40 = 120 wounds before being kicked out. ...yeah, no. If statement: "You can make a group of 2 or more dice". "a" group = just 1. You don't resolve it twice, the same way you can't add to your characteristics or make bonus actions twice with other abilities. You exclude duplicates and anything you can't group with the others. Multiply the quantity of dice by 3 to get the damage. Aka: "Can you make a group? How many unique dice are in it? Deal 3x that number as damage. Ability resolved."

Another rules area commonly missed is for Ability Dice: 1. Quads and Triples can bs used for abilities that require less dice. 2. Ability sets cannot be split. *Quads turning into doubles. 3. Each set of ability dice can only have 1 Wild dice added.

I have a feeling I'll be thinking of this vid as one of the classics for a long time.

WGOT: "If you need to add additional words to a rule to make a ruling go in your favor you are likely not interpreting that rule correctly" Rule: "Reactions are things a fighter can do during an enemy fighter's activation" WGOT: "they can ONLY be used in an enemy fighter's activation" Also WGOT: "can is optional language... it is not a requirement in any sense of the word" All rules arguments aside thanks for addressing a lot of sticking points! The initiative, disengage, and objective controlling are all crucial rulings that may not be obvious to new players. Nice video and discussion! 😃

It is honestly amazing how many of these strangle little rules and rulings I've managed to be affected by during my short (for now) time spent playing Warcry. Good video

For 'saw em up,' I interpreted it to mean only 1 group could be made (or chosen, if you do roll a 1,2 4,5,6 for example) because if multiple groups could be made the ruling should read "for each group of 2 or more dice in consecutive order..."

I LOVE this video. I would legit like to see a 2 minute video walking step by step through initiative phase. I played in a tournament recently with a lot of ppl who places highly at NOVA and I think we all still messed it up lol

Stop yelling at me.

wait so just to confirm, I don't know if i'm getting this right lol. If you have initiative you can choose to let your opponent activate first but by doing so they don't gain initiative right?

re: monsta killas says "a group" not "those groups" as well as "that group" (meaning 1 group) instead of "those groups" implying multiples. so even if you could make 2 groups, you would have to pick 1 to select dice from. so this seems like a clear "pick one group of dice" to me

@wargamesontoast Saw 'Em Up: make "a group", not groups, therefore make one group. When you allocate dmg, it's for each dice in "that group", not another one. Also there is explicitly stated that you exclude any duplicates, therefore rolling 112233 counts (after exclusion if duplicates) as 123.

Question. Can you explain having someone pinned into a wall in more detail? Do you only have to touch their base an the opponents model has to be touching a wall. An that makes them pinned?

This isn't so much a rules question, but to me picking second for Hidden Vault seems advantageous because you have more information of the board state at that point in the match.

this video is ridiculously helpful

Nice video. May i suggest another misunderstood rule with khorne's reaction: When an attacker rolls critical hit, it adds one damage to the defender.

I absolutely did the Initiative wrong. Learned something new!

Of coursse You Mesin' wins. Otherwise OMDB would say that you count as having three timess the wounds, not count as three fighters. I can't imagine anyone trying to argue that in good faith...

The crit vs hit difference is news to me. Cheers for the heads up.

Rule question: shield of Azyr and Ignite weapon. IW counts a miss as a crit hit. SoA counts a critical hit as a hit. Does that work against the IW crit hit since that crit hit was originally a miss?

31:35 in your example of two groups of 1, 1, 2, 2, 3, 3: since it reads "excluding any duplicates" you would only have one group of 1, 2, 3. Good question about making two groups from 1, 2, 4, 5, 6 - but I still think you can only make one group, so you would go with the highest number of consecutive ordered dice: 4, 5, 6.

Pretty sure for Saw ‘em up it’s only one group. The wording of “if you can make a group”. The “a” suggests it is only one, not multiple. The end which says “each dice in that group” would suggest that if you do have two groups, you get to choose which one to use. So the example of 1, 2, 4, 5, 6 - you would choose the 4, 5, 6 group because it does more damage. The 1 & 2 end up not being used.

also another rule that came up when playing a game last week was do modifiers stack from abilities. For example, if a vigilor uses the guided lightning ability on a model for 1 attack against that model can another vigilor then use that same ability to add an additonal extra attack against that same enemy model?

Our group treat saw them up as follow: you can make any number of groups as long as they do not contain already used values so eg: with 111256 you can make 12 and 56 for 12 damage total but if you got 112233 you can only make 123 for 9 damage total as any other results would be duplicates

From my point of view the Damage Allocation fulfils the video topic description. Designer and a book editor used same word to describe different things: defining terminology, explaining using an example, and describing the algorithm... Also a FAQ does not clear that problem as the description there describes different thing. It affects the reactions for skinks and for some Chaos factions.

On that disengage rule does that mean you can trap flyers? I know it says you cant jump...but their normal move is fly right?

Did not know that about the person with initiative choosing who goes first! Another fun rule is in Skabbik's Plaguepack. "Pick this fighter, or pick a number of objectives visible to this fighter equal to half the value of this ability (rounding up). Allocate a number of damage points equal to the value of this ability to all enemy fighters within 3" of either this fighter or those objectives." But objectives have no physical presence so what does it mean for an objective to be "visible"? Answer I think is that like Saw 'Em Up the rules just don't cover it adequately. Is the objective the token? Is the objective the exact centre of the token? (for Saw 'em Up if I had to rule it, I'd say that it specifies "a group" and "that group" singular not "groups" so 1,2 and 4,5,6 would cause a max of 9 not 15. That also dispenses with the duplicate issue of having 1,2 twice. But you have to lean too heavily on "a group" to say that this is definitely correct, since that could plausibly be explained by poor wording not by intent. Still, I think it's the best we have)

I have an activation question. Let's say you have 3 fighters and your opponent has 2. A1, a2, a3 for you and b1, b2 for them. Round one, activate a1 - b1 - a2 - b2 - a3 In Round 2, do you have to activate each fighter in that same sequence or can you activate for example: a2 - b1 - a1...?

Question. So on the sticky objectives if i have 3 models on. An take control of it. Next turn i leave. My opponent has to put 4 models on the objective to take control of it?

I dont understand the initiative explanation. I've only played two times so obviously I dont know the rules well. But doesnt the core rules specifically show an example where one player has the initiative then after wild dice the player who does not have initiative creates a tie so they roll off? It says something like "the gambit pays off and player B now gets the initiative!"

Question for you. My Seraphon can turn two crits into hits with the reaction. My friend has an abilit that turns all hits into crits. So... which comes first? I would assume he would pick mine to go first because he can then completely negate my reaction.

i have a question; if you are playing a FFA with 3 or more players, could you then react to player 2's reaction if it's player 3's turn?

Csn we get a short video on cover rule

ive rewatched the part about initiative for a solid 30 min now and i still dont understand what the wrong OR right way to do it is. my head is spinning and i dont even know why. I feel like youre saying "most people say it works like X but actually it works like X, common mistake" I feel incredibly insane. What do you mean i shouldnt roll off after a tie? the rules even say you do. Im actually losing my mind here, holy shit please help me

Crits Aren't hits 0,o

First comment yay!

"Make a group" not make groups. So wouldn't that mean you pick A group for those Lil monsta killaz.

Love what you are trying to do.. but I find your explanations on initiative more confusing than the rules.. perhaps spend some time on real examples to help… and left here way more confused…