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Made with Layers (Thomas Sanladerer)

Made with Layers (Thomas Sanladerer)

6 жыл бұрын

This is the next step in the evolution of integrated Linux (+ realtime) RepRap control boards! The Revolve mainboard combines what would typically be a Raspberry Pi and a high-end Arduino-based RepRap mainboard into a single unit. Also, a new, larger MangaScreen!
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@toyotaboyhatman
@toyotaboyhatman 6 жыл бұрын
Man are hobby printers getting good.. and it's thanks to guys like this developing new boards
@TheSickness
@TheSickness 6 жыл бұрын
Nice that you helped him by pointing out the features
@SixOThree
@SixOThree 6 жыл бұрын
TheSickness1234 when my head's been in the code sometimes help need words too.
@JamieBainbridge
@JamieBainbridge 6 жыл бұрын
Finally, an OctoPrint LCD option which doesn't suck. At $109 this is a maker level product and that's really cool. We have another competitor for the Duet and Marlin 2 boards. Exciting times for 32-bit!
@Anyone700
@Anyone700 5 жыл бұрын
Too bad its not in stock and does not use 2660s. I could live with the 2130s, but not having them avaliable really kills it
@eclsnowman
@eclsnowman 6 жыл бұрын
Elias is a great guy, and his products have always seemed to be of the highest quality. I wish him the best with this new launch.
@edwardcasati3374
@edwardcasati3374 6 жыл бұрын
Given the reception that the board is getting, I think that it may be 'the next big thing', and that he will be successful. It should be a good base card to get us through the next ten years, just like the Ramps board pulled us through in the past. With the right user community support, this board could make him the next "Prusa' in the controller field.
@MakerFarmNL
@MakerFarmNL 6 жыл бұрын
Thanks Thomas for picking out this gem! This seems like the next big step in the evolution of the reprap electronics hardware, leaving the Arduino platform and entering the world of SBC's like the raspberry pi (and alikes) with many peripheral devices (Wifi / HDMI / SATA / M.2) on board already and with quality Trinamic CNC hardware integrated on the same board... Now we enter a promising era of giga tinkering :-) , GUI's and more capable and user friendly 3D printers in general! Very cool!!!
@citronski
@citronski 6 жыл бұрын
Dude, the board is 109 bucks. Until it gets into my grubby hands it will be 180 euros. Reprap needs cheap 32 bit electronics, not glossy multitouch hdmi displays.
@MakerFarmNL
@MakerFarmNL 6 жыл бұрын
It will be a matter of time before the price drops.. and the public opinion goes up on what is expected of a decent 3D printer controller board.
@vatterger
@vatterger 6 жыл бұрын
Karsten Kruse I agree with that, you need something that replaces the RAMPS (as an all in one) without increasing cost or complicating the firmware building so much, otherwise it's not going to get adopted by the large mass of printer builders. Redesigns of the RAMPS like the MKS Gen 1.4 are already a step in that direction because they increase usability, now imagine a sub 50€ MKS like board with an ARM M4, TMCs and half decent mosfets.
@Legendias
@Legendias 6 жыл бұрын
true story. chinese printers start at 120 to 150 euros - and they run! buying a board that costs more than the whole printer seems a bit strange. and humanity wants it cheap, that's a fact.
@vatterger
@vatterger 6 жыл бұрын
Tinkerman I would adopt a board like this if the firmware would turn the board into a little cnc like control station with mouse and keyboard support, a menu made for a notebook sized TFT and a light version of the cura GUI running on it so that it emulates all the functionality that would usually be provided by a PC connected via serial to the printer. The Revolve has all the hardware on board to do this, but it's instead programmed to use a small and slow to navigate touch screen with clunky touch controls ... bleh
@bryceswartzwelder4957
@bryceswartzwelder4957 6 жыл бұрын
Thank you Thomas for sharing. Another great addition to the 3d printing world is well on its way!
@kojote
@kojote 6 жыл бұрын
Finally. Real progress
@danielc.2963
@danielc.2963 6 жыл бұрын
I'm very excited to see this. I wanted to replace an old RAMPS Board in a 3D Printer of mine and this looks to be the best option. Thanks Tom for the coverage!
@brandonlangdon2358
@brandonlangdon2358 6 жыл бұрын
Glad this got covered, I had only heard whispers about it until now. I loved Redeem (have two) and can't wait to hear more about this.
@nolroz
@nolroz 6 жыл бұрын
Dat board!! oh my... and MangaScreen looks awesome too!
@davey3765
@davey3765 6 жыл бұрын
SOLD!
@MrMike-fn4hi
@MrMike-fn4hi 6 жыл бұрын
Nice find Tom! Sweet board for under $110. Can't wait to get my hand on this board.
@AERuffy
@AERuffy 5 жыл бұрын
Still waiting on this. Are we able to run klipper+octoprint at the same time on this?
@dantesingleton2253
@dantesingleton2253 6 жыл бұрын
As someone who owns both the replicape and the manga screen, I can say that I've been very happy with the performance and flexibility. I am definitely going to buy this new gen for my next build (corexy). Yes his presentation is weak but the quality of engineering is fantastic, well worth the premium. Also this board is not for everyone but as a linux enthusiast this is a must have for me. The community isn't as strong as arduino or marlin but a pleasure to work with. Also a note to the people who are skeptical he has always delivered, not one failure and i would know i got everything he started.
@edvinfernqvist8695
@edvinfernqvist8695 6 жыл бұрын
Dante Singleton do You think this board will be a better choice than a duet? Also building a corexy and uncertain about what controller to use
@dantesingleton2253
@dantesingleton2253 6 жыл бұрын
+Fernqvist Edvin Honestly it depends, I feel like the revolve (this board) would give more bang per buck @ 109. In terms of raw printing performance they seem to be in the same class. In terms of flexibility i would go revolve. In terms of ease and community i would go duet. I feel that in this price range It comes more to preference.
@edvinfernqvist8695
@edvinfernqvist8695 6 жыл бұрын
Dante Singleton where I live the duet will cost me 150 USD minimum to the price point for this one (if I can get it for 109) is really intreaging
@andresvargas6684
@andresvargas6684 6 жыл бұрын
AWSOME!
@oliverer3
@oliverer3 6 жыл бұрын
Would really like a follow up on this in the future if it's ever released.
@DocCleaner
@DocCleaner 6 жыл бұрын
Sounds great. Maybe I will use this to breath new life into my Anet A6 when it's available. I wanted to change the board and the stepper-drivers anyway.
@Ragnor13378
@Ragnor13378 6 жыл бұрын
This sounds really promising. I'm currently planing to install the new trinamic drivers according to Thomas guide and/or give the Klipper a shot for my prusa i3 mk2s, but now this sounds like way less hassle. Hope the switch to this board is fairly simple and is somehow documented for people like me not having too much of experience yet. Thanks for the presentation!
@harrycollins9650
@harrycollins9650 5 жыл бұрын
Any update on the availability of the board? The interview mentions "the software isn't ready", is this the hold up?
@GearDownForWhat
@GearDownForWhat 6 жыл бұрын
OMG as soon as you said 2130's I decided that I need one
@Bustinjoyd
@Bustinjoyd 5 жыл бұрын
Any word on if this is or will be available any time soon?
@sprechendemulltonne5051
@sprechendemulltonne5051 5 жыл бұрын
Is there any new information available regarding the release date? I'm still very interested. :) Has this Board also the software to run a hanging printer etc. integranted as the duet wifi?
@elitemachineworks1037
@elitemachineworks1037 5 жыл бұрын
Seems to have joined the ranks of the ever elusive Smoothieboard V2.
@ImGriffinP
@ImGriffinP 3 жыл бұрын
Indeed lol
@rickrack78
@rickrack78 5 жыл бұрын
can this board restart a print after switching it off or power failure?
@somewhereoutthere8801
@somewhereoutthere8801 6 жыл бұрын
Exciting stuff!! Especially if they manage to hit the 109$ pricepoint!
@MAYERMAKES
@MAYERMAKES 6 жыл бұрын
OK, thats it, I have to get this board for my printer.
@JefeInquisidorGOW
@JefeInquisidorGOW 4 жыл бұрын
Do you still have to run arduino and Ramps on the printer?
@amoose136
@amoose136 6 жыл бұрын
I’m fairly happy with going Einsy Rambo + RPi3 and 7” touch screen but single board setups like this will be the way to go eventually because of reduced total cost and a more compact electronics footprint.
@tomgray7049
@tomgray7049 5 жыл бұрын
Work on the anet a8?
@Thegasman-hc3zz
@Thegasman-hc3zz 6 жыл бұрын
Could I replace my xyz jr board with this?
@baileytaylor6731
@baileytaylor6731 6 жыл бұрын
What software goes into coding this board?
@dot-bob
@dot-bob 6 жыл бұрын
It kinda has that combo tv vcr feel to it.
@TheImmortuary
@TheImmortuary 6 жыл бұрын
As a beginner to 3d Printing, this is over my head lol.
@g4m3rl1k3
@g4m3rl1k3 6 жыл бұрын
What's the name of the song?
@D__N54
@D__N54 6 жыл бұрын
Super!
@jacksoni349
@jacksoni349 6 жыл бұрын
Competition for the DuetWifi, Sweet!
@jacksoni349
@jacksoni349 6 жыл бұрын
Christopher Tilley Okay, how so? Care to explain?
@jacksoni349
@jacksoni349 6 жыл бұрын
Are you speaking of the Duet 2 Maestro? Because of that's not a direct replacement for the DuetWifi. Also understandable about the software, I meant it as a generalization that it could be competition, you are taking it way too literally. Even other people are agreeing with my statement. I.E. Jamie, who is amazing. Statement still stands.
@jacksoni349
@jacksoni349 6 жыл бұрын
Where at? I haven't seen the news! Sorry wasn't trying to be hostile in anyway.
@mhe0815
@mhe0815 6 жыл бұрын
Nice, that should be a good budget alternative to Duet if you don't need to go too crazy. Seems like one will go into my AM8. Dat price is amazing for what you're getting. Now for Klipper to support automatic bed levelling with a BLTouch and then this will be very very hard to beat for the price.
@andrewculverhouse8914
@andrewculverhouse8914 6 жыл бұрын
Awesome thanks for pointing this one out, the BBB has sub prosessors (PRU's) that are real time if they use them it will be amazing (which of cause you mentioned they do in the video)
@goeland86
@goeland86 6 жыл бұрын
We already do use those same PRUs in the Replicape+BBB system. The path planner creates a queue of stepper paths in a shared RAM buffer that the PRUs then run through. When there's available space in the buffer, the planner adds more moves to the queue. It really does give a super smooth printing experience.
@andrewculverhouse8914
@andrewculverhouse8914 6 жыл бұрын
goeland86 I am so glad someone used the BBB for this. I am not a programmer (so would have issues implementing anything) but I designed lots of capes for the BBB and then had Kidd's and didn't follow through with them. The BBB is perfect for what your using it for, one thing I was looking at was closed loop sensing too, but the drivers you are using are amazing and almost do the same job. I will be buying 2x of these (possibly the capes as I have 10 Bbb's spare). But I must say please please consider the same product for CNC, if you can get that right and attach kit to spi and the i2c busses to make them manageable, wow will we have an amazing place to start making some incredible mills and routers.
@goeland86
@goeland86 6 жыл бұрын
So there's an extension project for the Replicape called Reach - that adds on a CAN and I2C bus, 2 (3? can't remember) TMC2130s, 2 extra thermistor & endstops and more. But the Reach has not yet been manufactured afaik, the development files are open though. If you'd like to get involved, talk to mcleod and theoanden on the Replicape slack :)
@fortheregm1249
@fortheregm1249 6 жыл бұрын
We really NEED this. If i had a choice i would have taken 2130s anyways, but I still would have much preferred if the drivers were not built in. plus keeps your cost down .
@israelcontreras5332
@israelcontreras5332 5 жыл бұрын
Just checked the board price....it's down to $99. I'm a bit of newb. But that seems pretty good for all this is offering. Newb question...does this use marlin as the firmware to control the printer? Or something else? I know it says it runs linux. But I didn't understand exactly how linux would or could be used to control a printer. Is this board exclusively for Delta printers?
@LeandroBelli
@LeandroBelli 6 жыл бұрын
Where can I buy one?
@CapApollo
@CapApollo 5 жыл бұрын
if you can manage like 4 printer with one raspi.. why?
@S00rabh
@S00rabh 6 жыл бұрын
109 for this is pretty good. What stepper drivers is it running with? It would be great for 3 color print.
@goeland86
@goeland86 6 жыл бұрын
It'll run 2130s. And there's 2 external driver headers. So you could run up more colors if you wanted ;)
@AERuffy
@AERuffy 6 жыл бұрын
Looks amazing, any chance of more stepper drivers for a Voron2 build?
@goeland86
@goeland86 6 жыл бұрын
John Jubei there's an extra 2 sets of driver pins on the prototype right now for external drivers, not sure if that's enough.
@AERuffy
@AERuffy 6 жыл бұрын
goeland86 that would be perfect for a voron2 build as it requires 7 for a single extruder build. This looks to be a duet killer
@StuffWithKirby
@StuffWithKirby 6 жыл бұрын
Maybe I missed it while looking over specs. Will this use 12v or 24v?
@goeland86
@goeland86 6 жыл бұрын
Both. It follows the same power schema as the Replicape - power circuits are rated to receive between 12 and 24V. You could use an 18V supply if you had one lying around and it would work. It will have on-board step-down circuits to guarantee 12V for fans, 5V to endstops & the rest of the logics system. The motors & heaters will get whatever voltage you put in, provided the total power throughput doesn't exceed 20A. Max power rating is then voltage dependent... 20x24 = 480W through the board. But that includes the logic (while not powering on should be less than 0.7A), motors, fans and heaters plus a few losses to be on the safe side. There should be a fuse on board to protect it.
@zora_tech
@zora_tech 6 жыл бұрын
So out of curiosity could I potentially buy this board and screen and essentially upgrade my Anycubic Kossel Delta printer to work with octoprint and have a touchscreen?
@oliverer3
@oliverer3 6 жыл бұрын
Zero Tech Theoretically it should work with almost any printer as long as you setup all the settings correctly
@goeland86
@goeland86 6 жыл бұрын
Yes, you can. As release manager and community manager for Replicape I've seen the use case where most folks start with updating their existing machines to get better controls on it, and then they decide to build a new printer from scratch to really take advantage of the board.
@OblivifrekTV
@OblivifrekTV 6 жыл бұрын
I Wonder if this will work on a Anet A8 ?
@mhe0815
@mhe0815 6 жыл бұрын
Yes, no reason why it wouldn't.
@goeland86
@goeland86 6 жыл бұрын
Actually I believe one of our community members fitted a Replicape to his A8 and has been very happy with it. Revolve will be a drop-in replacement for Replicape, and pretty much any standard electronics board (meaning any board matching the number of steppers, heaters & endstops)
@maikolrodriquez
@maikolrodriquez 5 жыл бұрын
C'mon i need updates. I need one.
@ovidiusiatat8370
@ovidiusiatat8370 6 жыл бұрын
Looks to me like Duet WiFi will have to decrease their price. This Revolt board is awesome and for some reason it appears to be $99 not $109. Only one question... will work with windows or Linux only?
@goeland86
@goeland86 6 жыл бұрын
So the Linux is onboard the Revolve. You can access it from any type of machine you like - even an android tablet, since you're accessing it through OctoPrint :)
@williamforbes6919
@williamforbes6919 5 жыл бұрын
As long as this actually releases, and manages to be a better value than Duet (that wont be hard) then I will probably buy one. The lack of updates is starting to bug me though.
@jaibee_lp899
@jaibee_lp899 3 жыл бұрын
Hätte es 8 stepper treiber die auch tauschbar wären ware es vtl ne investition wert. Der ansatz ist aber gut.
@wordreet
@wordreet 6 жыл бұрын
That's super interesting! I want one! :¬)
@brandonterry1517
@brandonterry1517 6 жыл бұрын
This board would be incredible for $109. I wonder if you could run Klipper firmware on it without a Pi...
@jakepF1D
@jakepF1D 6 жыл бұрын
I run Klipper on a Replicape + BBB. I imagine it could also run on the Revolve.
@brandonterry1517
@brandonterry1517 6 жыл бұрын
Jake Palmer Awesome! I've been wanting to try it. It looks like people have been seeing good results with it.
@wilsonmura5930
@wilsonmura5930 6 жыл бұрын
The idea of klipper is that all the hard work is done somewhere else, like on a PC or PI and latter that code send to a cheaper Arduino based controller for all the motion work. Sure you can make it work and sure it would very likely give you very good results but... again it's probable not what Klipper was intended for.
@aeaeaaaelxndrwtnb
@aeaeaaaelxndrwtnb 6 жыл бұрын
wilson mura this board is "somewhere else" and a "cheap Arduino", it's all integrated on one PCB for roughly the price of a pi+Arduino+stepper drivers
@jakepF1D
@jakepF1D 6 жыл бұрын
wilson mura This board could not be more ideal for Klipper. The Octavo chip handles the motion planning and Octoprint like a Pi, and the real-time step pulses like an Arduino, but in a single package on a single board. If they get the price down to $109, it will be the best 32 bit hardware at that price point.
@rickrucker989
@rickrucker989 4 жыл бұрын
Let's see, this was recorded in 2018 (from the date on their passes), and I tried to buy one today (April 2020), and they want me to leave an email so they will email me when it on sale, this sounds like vaporware.
@Bakamoichigei
@Bakamoichigei 6 жыл бұрын
Huh, interesting. Back in 2015, I paid $99 on Kickstarter for a Fastbot BBP-1S and it had a similar featureset with the exception of the built-in HDMI. (Though it does have a 50-pin FFC connection for an LCD+touchpanel.) It has 7 stepper motor drivers, 3 heaters, 6 endstops, 6 fans, 1 microSD slot, 1 Ethernet port, and 1 USB for wifi or a webcam... Only 3 thermistors (including the HBP's one.) and _one_ thermocouple though... So this board sounds like an improvement in that regard as well. I wish somebody'd write a laser cutter firmware for one of these fancy 'all-in-one' boards, with their web interfaces and stuff... That'd be the ultimate killer app for a $100 Cartesian robot controller board; really tune up those $400 Chinesium lasers and their abominable Moshidraw/LaserDRAW boards.
@goeland86
@goeland86 6 жыл бұрын
Redeem (the Replicape/Revolve firmware) can probably be configured to work for a laser cutter just fine. It would be easy enough to wire something together so that you control X/Y with steppers and then your E axis controls a binary output for the laser instead. If you're wanting to use the Replicape or Revolve in this way, create a feature-request on the Redeem github page.
@pen25
@pen25 6 жыл бұрын
Does it have pins available to add external drivers.
@goeland86
@goeland86 6 жыл бұрын
I don't want to promise anything, but I remember seeing 2 extra sets of pins for external drivers somewhere on the board. That may change before it makes it to production however.
@Exlr8Films
@Exlr8Films 6 жыл бұрын
Yes, you can run 2 additional external drivers if you want to
@z3alt454
@z3alt454 5 жыл бұрын
Is there something new about the mainboard?
@turk639
@turk639 5 жыл бұрын
week ago they finally made 10 prototypes that went out for testing
@Erutan409
@Erutan409 6 жыл бұрын
Maybe I'm a little out of touch with the newer tech out there, but how does have a cost advantage against a $35 raspberry pi and $12 Arduino Mega from Amazon?
@MadeWithLayers
@MadeWithLayers 6 жыл бұрын
a) Bottlenecks from the slow AtMega processor (think Deltas) b) Bottlenecks from USB (fine details) c) AtMega is at its capacity already. Prusa has needed to strip features from Marlin to have enough ressources for what the MK3 needs d) Most RAMPS use horrible components - this comes with high-end electronics
@Erutan409
@Erutan409 6 жыл бұрын
That actually explains a lot... Thank you :)
@goeland86
@goeland86 6 жыл бұрын
Andrew Metcalfe the pwm is actually handled by a separate specialize chip on Replicape, but the tricky bit was stepper command synchronization. Most boards use a real time firmware for this reason, so the loop in the program is constant speed. But it makes programming difficult, here you can write the math code as a normal python and c++ code which is easier to read and very fast to execute, and let a special unit execute instructions with proper timing
@goeland86
@goeland86 6 жыл бұрын
The project is fully open hardware, the design files are currently being developed on github. The PWM is a PCA9685 chip that is controlled by one of the GPIO ports. We use the ARM 1GHz CPU for computations and queue up the moves to be executed in a coordinated manner by the PRUs existing on the BeagleBone chipset (beaglebone black and beaglebone green have those, and they are known to work). The PRUs can access a shared buffer in the system's RAM, which makes data access latency a non-issue as compared to USB, and even SD card reading.
@goeland86
@goeland86 6 жыл бұрын
Andrew Metcalfe we've successfully demonstrated the reliability of the architecture in Replicape for 2 years now. This is just making the beaglebone superfluous. One thing that has needed workarounds is a speed limitation on how fast octoprint can pass gcode lines. We now simulate print from SD to pass the file handle to redeem directly, and this works flawlessly.
@EricMcCormick
@EricMcCormick 5 жыл бұрын
Any idea of a release date? The Replicapes are all gone and would like to buy something that isn't a Chinese knock off to control my printer
@dalewright7908
@dalewright7908 6 жыл бұрын
you think 32 bit is necessary for anything "non-delta" I mean I love the idea and faster is always better but just curious. that screen is gorgeous though!
@goeland86
@goeland86 6 жыл бұрын
I guess it really depends on how complex and how fast of a printer you're trying to run. The advantage of a 32bit board, even on a cartesian or coreXY is that you get smoother curves - as the speed at which it can do floating point number crunching is higher. So you can have much rounder edges, in a way. And if you have complex geometries, the path planner can optimize the acceleration curves in a more complex and print-friendly way than a standard 8bit board.
@williamforbes6919
@williamforbes6919 5 жыл бұрын
@@goeland86 Or we could get slicers which understand that G02 and G03 commands exist for the exact purpose of doing curves. Thousand of tiny line segments are not as good as using a native curve function. The printer firmwares support this, it is only the slicers which do not.
@user2C47
@user2C47 2 жыл бұрын
@@williamforbes6919 Not sure about other slicers, but Cura has a plugin for this.
@williamforbes6919
@williamforbes6919 2 жыл бұрын
@@user2C47 There exists a Lua plugin for Slic3r as well, but ideally we would see native support for this in programs like Cura since it already allows for CAD model imports. Cura especially could implement slicing without ever converting the file to a mesh internally.
@jacksat2252
@jacksat2252 6 жыл бұрын
Looks promising , but the software ?
@JTordur
@JTordur 6 жыл бұрын
It should be able to use the Replicape software almost as is. The beaglebone comes in an integraded version, which I think this boardd uses. I might be wrong. But this would be my assumption..
@goeland86
@goeland86 6 жыл бұрын
Correct. I'm the release manager for the Replicape images. There's a few minor variations on the firmware for the Revolve (different pin wiring I think), but we don't have the dev boards to test it out. The Revolve uses the same chip that's used on the BeagleBone Black wireless - the Octavo SoC. Revolve, like Replicape, will run Redeem as a printer firmware. We've been a bit too quiet maybe, as we've got our Slack channel for Replicape users and we use mostly the thing-printer G+ community instead of the usual forums... But do look it over, the feature list is not short.
@dantesingleton2253
@dantesingleton2253 6 жыл бұрын
Didn't expect to see you here lol. Keep up the great work and thanks for your previous help on the slack.
@goeland86
@goeland86 6 жыл бұрын
Dante Singleton you're welcome.
@devalopr
@devalopr 6 жыл бұрын
@goeland86 does the firmware support latest features like pressure advance [linear advance in marlin] ,etc and how good is the script-ability of it? i was planning to use Duet + raspberry pi for my 3D printer but i'm looking forward to use this if the software side is good
@AcrimoniousMirth
@AcrimoniousMirth 6 жыл бұрын
$109... well it’s more than I’ve ever paid for a board but honestly it looks totally worth it given how integrated everything is. Question: 24V support? And what wattage? I’m using a 350W bed on my main machine.
@MadeWithLayers
@MadeWithLayers 6 жыл бұрын
I don't have the full spec sheet in front of me, but I'd very much assume that it can handle at least 24V. A 350W bed @24V is only 14.5A, which is easy to handle for any quality board.
@goeland86
@goeland86 6 жыл бұрын
The replicape has a 20A limit for board + heaters + motors. It's safe to assume the Revolve will have at least that much power handling as well.
@darius9521
@darius9521 5 жыл бұрын
Can we BUY this yet?
@slayyou
@slayyou 5 жыл бұрын
guess not kinda sucks I need an new board and would like to use this.
@Abdega
@Abdega 6 жыл бұрын
“Ran a few kickstarters” Have you thought of using Crowdsupply for the Revolve? They are supposed to have engineers specifically on staff to help you with making it work and with helping you get the supply chain
@goeland86
@goeland86 6 жыл бұрын
Abdega he's run multiple Kickstarter campaigns before. This time he's trying to look at a different funding deal to potentially get the product to market sooner.
@Abdega
@Abdega 6 жыл бұрын
goeland86 Sounds like Crowdsupply might be a good fit then. It is meant to be streamlined for funding to product.
@Graham_Wideman
@Graham_Wideman Жыл бұрын
Now 2022, and the board is renamed to Recore. A newer video on this board that might be of interest: kzfaq.info/get/bejne/htyCp9JyptqvmZc.html
@Sandtiger2008
@Sandtiger2008 6 жыл бұрын
I want one
@cutterboard4144
@cutterboard4144 6 жыл бұрын
i'm not very impressed of all-in-one solutions. they are nice for selling readily manufactured products - whole 3d printers - but for makers they lack the ability to exchange modules for testing purposes or if they are defective. what do you do if one of the stepper drivers breaks?
@goeland86
@goeland86 6 жыл бұрын
Well that's the nice thing about modern stepper drivers - the current is controlled in SW so you can't really burn one out. And the whole component set is of a quality high enough that I've not heard of anyone blowing out a driver on their Replicapes... And even then you can still read the open design files for the board and find the step/dir pins to hook up external drivers instead. That's assuming you blow more than 2 or use the 2 external driver header pins as well.
@Grrizz84
@Grrizz84 6 жыл бұрын
If they hit $109 (or near to it) I'm in :)
@mrfurball
@mrfurball 6 жыл бұрын
Pizza is flat bread with crazy awesome yummies on top, flat bread is just bread
@goeland86
@goeland86 6 жыл бұрын
Call it norwegian humor ;)
@sniffle23
@sniffle23 6 жыл бұрын
Software and documentation were seriously lacking in the previous version, hopefully that changes with time.
@goeland86
@goeland86 6 жыл бұрын
Have you taken a look at the current state of the Wiki? We've tried to make user guides helpful. And the G+/Slack channels to reach the community when you need help have not let anyone down yet, as far as I know.
@sniffle23
@sniffle23 6 жыл бұрын
I haven't in quite a while now got rid of the previous board. Auto leveling on a corexy machine with anything other than an old school servo setup was a pain to get working properly. I had other issues that I don't remember it's been so long now. Again this was a statement about the past hoping that improvements had been made. And if they have great!
@goeland86
@goeland86 6 жыл бұрын
All I can say is that the best way for me to convince you is for you to revisit the wiki ;)
@jakepF1D
@jakepF1D 6 жыл бұрын
Hopefully you guys publish an extensive guide to the new settings before 2.1.2 is released. I tried running mine on the develop branch, but I gave up after spending an hour just trying to figure out how to get my hot-end cooling fan to turn on at 50C. For now I'm running Klipper on my Replicape while I wait for 2.1.2. I really love the hardware, but the software doesn't match up just yet. Regardless I plan to buy a Revolve because the hardware is just too good to pass up.
@goeland86
@goeland86 6 жыл бұрын
Jake Palmer so the develop branch is always way ahead of master and I'm trying to get us into a more frequent trouble down cycle to master with the release notes explaining how to configure the new features. Will make sure to double check everything in 2.1.2 is clear, but the changes aren't too big compared to what's currently on develop. The main new feature is a simulated "print from SD"to avoid the octoprint bottleneck when it reads gcode and waits for an ok back. Also the new upgrade flasher will preserve your existing configurations for WiFi, redeem, toggle and octoprint, so no need to reconfigure from scratch after an update
@spunkmire2664
@spunkmire2664 6 жыл бұрын
I'd like to see some mated controllers with some intel NUC hardware.
@spunkmire2664
@spunkmire2664 6 жыл бұрын
or even the lattepanda doodad
@goeland86
@goeland86 6 жыл бұрын
The problem with the NUCs is the lack of gpio ports. Not to mention on a printer you need real time processing... That means real-time os which is a major bottleneck on what apps can be written and run on it
@grogyan
@grogyan 6 жыл бұрын
👍👍👍Thermocouple support👍👍👍
@RJMaker
@RJMaker 6 жыл бұрын
109.00 Bucks.... I'll be really really surprised if they hit that target.
@goeland86
@goeland86 6 жыл бұрын
Everytime Elias has announced a target price publicly, he's managed to deliver at that target price. He's done the math right, and all the components are established supply lines so there's no ambiguity on that side. Where costs then may vary is negotiating the manufacturing costs, but he's got enough experience he can estimate what they are pretty well :) Plus it's backed by Seeed Studios in this case.
@LincolnWorld
@LincolnWorld 6 жыл бұрын
Would I be able to swap this for my original board in my make a bot replicator 1 and have it work? I'd love to bring that printer back to life and not be a makerbot anymore.
@goeland86
@goeland86 6 жыл бұрын
Definitely! As long as you wire things up properly and set the config right for Redeem there's no reason it wouldn't work.
@sethkrumm3302
@sethkrumm3302 6 жыл бұрын
Duet is still better... but $110 is a pretty attractive price
@ufohunter3688
@ufohunter3688 6 жыл бұрын
What's wrong with RAMPS + Arduino? Why kill the fly with a sledge hammer?
@MadeWithLayers
@MadeWithLayers 6 жыл бұрын
a) Bottlenecks from the slow AtMega processor (think Deltas) b) Bottlenecks from USB (fine details) c) AtMega is at its capacity already. Prusa has needed to strip features from Marlin to have enough ressources for what the MK3 needs d) Most RAMPS use horrible components - this comes with high-end electronics
@edwardcasati3374
@edwardcasati3374 6 жыл бұрын
The days when a controller board was asked to do simple computations to do some crude 3D printing are coming to an end. These days we expect advanced computations for speed and quality, advanced features like across the bed active leveling, friendly user interfaces, error recovery, multi-material printing, etc. The ATMega chip has been outgrown. Yes, a crude Anet A8 type printer for tinkerers can get away with older hardware, but realistically it is time to move on.
@ufohunter3688
@ufohunter3688 6 жыл бұрын
I guess I am a happy tinkerer with my Anet and Prusa MK2. When and if I out grow this in a few years, I will be moving towards a laser system. No point of buying a Ferrari to do 50 mph :)
@USWaterRockets
@USWaterRockets 6 жыл бұрын
What's wrong with what we have now? That's what candy-bar phone users said when the iPhone came out. Let that sink in.
@ufohunter3688
@ufohunter3688 6 жыл бұрын
iPhone is for techno-idiots who will bend over, take it, and like it. Let that one soak in. You wanna troll me? bring it.
@AthanCondax
@AthanCondax 6 жыл бұрын
This is a big deal. Trinamic drivers alone are a very nice touch
@S00rabh
@S00rabh 6 жыл бұрын
Would you know which one are those? 2100 or 2130
@MadeWithLayers
@MadeWithLayers 6 жыл бұрын
These are 2130!
@wilsonmura5930
@wilsonmura5930 6 жыл бұрын
Like I said on Hackaday if it's north of 100 dollars I'd rather stick with the MKS that came with my printer and use Klipper, I can get the same result with a PI 35U$D + TMC2130 20U$D.
@goeland86
@goeland86 6 жыл бұрын
Can you though? Also, Pi+TMC on MKS board may be cheaper, but you're still limited to speeds that the USB serial port can handle. Replicape (and thus Revolve) can generate paths more precise, smoother curves and generally finer stepper sync than you can achieve with an 8-bit controller board, because you don't have the USB speed bottleneck for stepper moves sync. The Replicape/Revolve can buffer up moves for the PRUs in RAM (so ~ 200MHz) and the PRUs run their loops at 200MHz - compare that to what an Atmel-based chip can achieve in the mega version, which is 16MHz.
@JasonDrennen
@JasonDrennen 5 жыл бұрын
Not to be mean but this guy is completely anti-climatic. You were trying to get him up there Tom it just wasn't working. With that said I see why you were excited this is amazing I am very excited to get my hands on one of these. Although I consider this a maker's board. Now if people didn't want to wait for that screen to come out a Raspberry Pi with octopi has this feature you can pick up a 7 in HDMI touchscreen display and set this up no problem. But thanks for showing us this board.
@hardgore5814
@hardgore5814 4 жыл бұрын
its 200$ !!
@kevin_delaney
@kevin_delaney 6 жыл бұрын
Shut up and take my money! 😃
@huchengguo3004
@huchengguo3004 6 жыл бұрын
I personally own one of those armed to the teeth fancy 32bit board, does everything he says, live 3d model viewing, on-board slicing, and such, but I really struggle to justify the need of a such board (for the price). I do the cad and I send it over via WiFi, and pick it up later. I ended up unplugging the screen because I never used it. I originally wanted faster speed, but there are so many other cheaper 32bit options, (stm32, teensy), this is not really a valid argument. we could just make an upgraded version of ramps with stm32 and it wouldn't cost any extra on hardware. Maybe this kind of mainboard is good for showing off at exhibits? but are you really going to let people touch your control panel? I really dislike when people use a board like this and present the printer as they have made this cool interface (no, you bought it). Thomas, could you think of some examples of potential users?
@goeland86
@goeland86 6 жыл бұрын
郭虎承Guo Hucheng the screen on the revolve is optional and you can disable the touch screen interface to gain performance. Also in this case, I've helped test and debug the code. He didn't buy the interface. The touch screen is helpful when you're at the printer and need to move things on the printer (i.e change filament) without having octoprint right next to it
@eyamnottier3411
@eyamnottier3411 6 жыл бұрын
Tell the guy to do a deal with Anet and replace the crap they use.....and maybe include auto level as default and not charge more for an AL board ...the firmware upload time is the same for the actual manufacturer ....and would remove the need to have separate stocks!
@goeland86
@goeland86 6 жыл бұрын
Better idea is to have the Anet customers complain about the electronics and suggest they get in touch with Elias instead... They won't budge if someone says "hey, here's an expensive replacement for something you're already shipping". If someone says "I won't buy it until you replace the crap with something decent like this" instead, they'll be like "uh, ok we need to do something about it"
@mrcpu9999
@mrcpu9999 5 жыл бұрын
So this project is dead?
@escknx
@escknx 4 жыл бұрын
I'd buy it for whatever price they ask, current development stall, Duet is super limited and slow development, ip cams, no 3d rendering, but upto 5 BL sensors support, how many people on Earth need that. Octo ecosystem is far better, these plugins, oh boy. But... does it look like the project is dead? Prusa + Duet killed them to keep pushing 90x interfaces?
@KawekSL
@KawekSL 6 жыл бұрын
Hate higly integrated stuff, for me still best combination is RAMPS like board + stepsticks + SBC with Octoprint
@goeland86
@goeland86 6 жыл бұрын
Well, to each their own. However the quality of the hardware he's produced generally means you don't have to worry about stuff blowing out and needing to replace it. See the responses to huhhman above.
@wishicouldarduino8880
@wishicouldarduino8880 4 жыл бұрын
I burn up too many things I don't need to burn them all up at once.
@electricload7696
@electricload7696 6 жыл бұрын
Nice Video! Have you seen any 3D printer based on PLC controller? If yes then where? If you know how we make 3D printer with PLC controller, help me i will pay your total fee.
@UloPe
@UloPe 6 жыл бұрын
Shut up and take my money!
@YaFunklord
@YaFunklord 4 жыл бұрын
I'd use this if it were possible to use it Python-free...
@kyzitemelos
@kyzitemelos 3 жыл бұрын
But it's high level Py bro?
@kfh13
@kfh13 6 жыл бұрын
This guy is terrible in presenting his product. Thomas did most of his work.
@goeland86
@goeland86 6 жыл бұрын
We can't all be engineers and salesmen at the same time... I know I couldn't convince someone to buy my software on camera easily!
@flippantfishtaco3132
@flippantfishtaco3132 6 жыл бұрын
What up Goeland
@rheller_82
@rheller_82 6 жыл бұрын
I thought he did fine. Plus his product practically speaks for itself if you're a maker.
@MadeWithLayers
@MadeWithLayers 6 жыл бұрын
I mean, Tesla and SpaceX aren't exactly run by a salesman, either.
@m3chanist
@m3chanist 6 жыл бұрын
He's an engineer, he's designed a very interesting bit of hardware. Not everyone is a Buckaroo Banzai.
@ThekingofBAC
@ThekingofBAC 6 жыл бұрын
Octoprint...No.
@goeland86
@goeland86 6 жыл бұрын
OctoPrint is the interface we chose for simplicity and because it's open-source. Do you have another preferred interface you'd like to see us integrate?
@acgkplh
@acgkplh 6 жыл бұрын
Matterhackers matterhackers matterhackers 👎👎👎
@citronski
@citronski 6 жыл бұрын
Thanks, we at Matterhackers value your support!
@MadeWithLayers
@MadeWithLayers 6 жыл бұрын
Well, they literally made the trip to MRRF happen for me and my assistant Daniel - which I totally appreaciate!
@Markus__B
@Markus__B 6 жыл бұрын
Hmm, smells sloightly fishy. Boards not even tested, offers Support for a not yet delivered KS Screen, not envolving software devs .. Is slicing onBoard really a thing? But maybe it´s the way to go. Looking nice, don´t offer too much setings.
@dantesingleton2253
@dantesingleton2253 6 жыл бұрын
1. No it's not. 2. Yes as it is linux based, the screen is just hdmi with usb for power and touch input. 3. Yes it has been since the first release. (Years ago) 4. It is completely configurable with a simple config file, no recompilation required/ needed ever.
@jakepF1D
@jakepF1D 6 жыл бұрын
On board slicing is extremely common. It's existed as a plugin for Octoprint running on a Pi (OctoPi) for quite a while. I own a Replicape which is an extremely nice piece of hardware, but the software and release schedule for it leave a lot to be desired. I now run mine with Klipper firmware, and I plan to purchase a Revolve and do the same once it's released.
@JeffDM
@JeffDM 6 жыл бұрын
If he didn't have a previous version I would share your concern. Replicape + BBB is a known quantity developed by the same guy. This board puts it all onto a single board plus adds a few more things.
@MadeWithLayers
@MadeWithLayers 6 жыл бұрын
Elias knows how to deliver hardware and I'm sure he has learned much from delevoping and producing the Replicape and original MangaScreen before this!
@goeland86
@goeland86 6 жыл бұрын
We've got an expanding group of developers working on the on-board firmware. At present I think there are almost a dozen regular contributors to the core of Redeem, though the path planner is mostly a one-man operation still.
@fnice1971
@fnice1971 6 жыл бұрын
just what I have been wanting :P
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