Yes, they are narrow even in 2e width

Agree, and wide. Until they do I can’t fit my feet into Hokas. I’d like to but… Come Hoka get your stuff together and make a shoe shaped like a foot.

That would be sweet if they had a true foot-shaped toe box model.

And wider shoe frame.

Was thinking the same. Im all about Altra due to the wind toe box. Shoe is snug around the heel but gives room at the toe. Would love to try a wide toe with low ,Hoka like, foot drop of 4-5mm. If only . . .

I had altra olympus 5 and rerurned them I now use hoka arahi 6 and bondi and in my view both quality and comfort is above altra

Altra always break down on the bottom way to quick for me. Can’t justify the price until they fix QC issues

do you use the same size Hoka and Altra? I have Hoka and i would like to try Altra...

@@jada8331 Same size. Yeah. And they both fit well - although hoka is a bit narrow which is expected compared to Altra all shoes will be slightly (or a lot) narrower than altra in the toebox and in the midfoot. I see altra as a great shoe for less technical terrain. They tend to slip sideways when you run on a sloped terrain (sideways to the hill if that makes sense).

Just like Altra's, some Hoka models are cut wider than others. Models like the Mach and Rincon can be cut narrow for sure. I have found this Clifton 8 runs nice and wide for our customers. More so than some of the other Hoka models. If you were to dip your toes in the Hoka waters, I would probably start there.

They’re very hard, right?

@@_danila5185 which ones, Hokas or Altras?

@@NoNameNoLastName Hokas.

Thank you so much!!

Haha. Yes, I have a lot of shoes to keep track of when I do these videos. And thanks for the recommendation. I will talk with my video guy and see if that's a video we can do. We appreciate your support.

Thanks so much! We actually are going to try to do more comparison style reviews. They seem to help a lot of people and we really enjoy making them!

@Run Moore which do you prefer out of the paradigm 6 or Olympus 5 with cushion and all around shoe?

I hear you. They have a lot of shoes now they call "standard fit" which is not what got a lot of people in the brand to begin with. I got to see the 2023 shoes recently and they will have at least one new model that seems like a good step back in the old direction. Sort of a big step backward but in a good way.

@@RunMoore via olympus? or lp7

I'm an Altra fan too. I'd like to try the Hoka Clifton 9. But sounds like their toe box would be too narrow?

I also have the Bondis 8 but they fit narrow 😞 I hardly wear them but anyway which Torin you recommend for standing & walking all day)

​@@vicacosta466my knees, ankles, and feet, thanked me. The torin 7 is great. Just hard to find in sizes. I'm going to try Topo also.

Has the Altra helped?

I'm curious if the Altras helped as well. I run in Bondi 8 and I've been dealing with some gnarly PF...

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So glad you liked them, thanks for watching!

Every time I hear bondee, I die a little inside

Same though my ratios are more 60/40

You are not alone in that 👍

That is such a sneaky great shoe

Thanks for watching the video! Lots of people enjoy these comparison videos so I plan on making more of them.

Thanks for watching the video! I'm glad you enjoyed it!

Thanks for watching!

The world is more fun with more shoe options!

Thanks for watching!

Thanks so much! We had a lot of fun making it and the staff and I had heated debates over the Escalante vs Clifton. Thank you for watching.

@@RunMoore didnt try torin, but you surely misguided me with escalante after I used Clifton :))

@@DR-ti7yi the dudes, just giving general advice to help people. He’s not here to hold your hand and tell you exactly what you to buy that’s kind of to you. You have to use your own brain at some point he’s just here to help with general advice lol. He’s not your personal guide lol.

@@Dara-ih6jq he is here just to sell. You didnt use your brain at all :))))

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Thank you! We have tried to step up our video quality and it's great knowing it is not going unnoticed.

Thank you! Yes, along those lines. The Escalante 3 and Rivera 2 are so close in cushion now but then again the Rincon and Clifton are relatively close as well.

Thanks for watching! I actually did a Bond-eye/Bond-ee thing on the Bondi version 8 video.

@@RunMoore Thanks Steve, all good mate. Keep up the great reviews - love the channel.

yeah torin is just really not max cushion...not sure why anyone says so incl altra themselves

Thank you Carlos

Thanks for watching!

They dont last long, but they are comfortable (after your transition!!!) And the thing is, Altras will benefit your knees, back ancles and feet on the longer run when your grow old. Why? Because your feet naturally grow and have shape around Altra, Vivobarefoot or Xero Shoe. Hookas, on the other side do the opposite and trick your mind on the short runs

I've run in Altra's for many years and the durability and quality of construction has declined over the years and now I am running in Hoka's. For example, the Altra Rivera 2's that I have run a half size small, the tongue does not stay in place and I saw significant wear on them after two hundred miles. They are my lawn mowing shoes now. I started running in a pair of Hoka Mach 4's about five months ago and I love them.

@@ricksquires6218 Yeah but good luck when you get old with 5mm of incl on your heel muscles and knee joint, wjen you get older...

@@DanielOutdoors I am old (almost 66) and I have been running for over 30 years. The only major injury I've had is a meniscus tear which happened while I was running in the Rivera 2's.

@@ricksquires6218 jupp and I know plenty of runners, and old people too, wich alls problem is their balance when they reach 80. If you got hurt due to the Rivera is problaby because your muscles and joints under your feet, have an arch or bunions for running and walking with the unatural shoes all your life, apart from when you where born. The habitually shod foot has weaker intrinsic muscles and ligaments with less plantar fascia when you run AND WALK over time with barefoot stile shoes.. You see when the arch collapses, the muscles and tendons provide less elastic recoil - possibly leading to injuries. So if you didnt use the Rivera 2 as supposed, and straight went for a run with those (Because I know PLENTY OF PEOPLE like I said who has dont exactly that) have to take a break from injury. But there are those who follow instructions, from both Altra, Xero Shoes or Vivobarefoot, and Im one of them, and surely has gain 60% stronger feet, joints and muscles as well as improved my balance and reduced trouble pain.. Hookas are like pissing in the wind or weating your pants, because the trouble with those start later...

Are you looking for more of a road or trail shoe? The Hoka Arahi 6 is awesome for a road supinator. It has the same cushion as the Clifton so if that was enough for you and your mileage that would be a great one to try (wearing a pair as I type this). On the trail, the Olympus 5 is the only one that is going to have any type of supination support to it. It's a lot of shoe but as you know, it's awesome. I also mix the Hoka Speedgoats into my trail mix and while it does not have the lateral stability it has never caused me any IT Band stress from excessive supination. Hope that helps!

I give my two cents: For trail shoes, I tried many different things and just never felt comfortable in them, especially the width. Then, after watching an AT thru hiker talk about his shoes I tried the Altra 4. GAME CHANGER for me. They are so comfortable and the stack is plenty for "Rocksylvania" where I live and hike the AT. They are so comfortable I want to wear them all the time, but at that price I didn't want to wear them out. So, I actually searched for a used pair to use as daily wear shoes. I found a guy who bought several pair of Altra 1.0 shoes. He had 5 pair brand new still in the boxes because he didn't like them for running. I ended up buying 4 pair at $40 each. Now I have daily wear Altras for quite a long time!! :-) Good luck finding a shoe that works for you.

I agree with your assessment that if you are a big supinator the Olympus will give more lateral support. I also severely supinate but for me, even when I am doing higher trail miles, I don't have to worry about it as much as I do on the road. With the undulations on the trail, you are never really running and landing in the same spot. If I wear the wrong shoe on the road I know immediately. On the trail, I don't have to worry as much about neutral/stable-type trail shoes. Hope that helps.

Thanks so much! We have really tried to step our game up and I appreciate you saying it's noticed. We actually have been going through comments to find ideas for new videos. We can totally add that to the list.

Thank you! We appreciate it!

Good comparison models there. Lot of fun stuff to debate doing this.

hey have you made any progress on this? i resonate with you looking at the paradigm for over pronation and comfrtoable standing shoes.

@GandaBaer yes!! I went and bought the Altra Paradigms. I can't rave about them enough!! I broke them in on a shift and was amazed by how much less pain I have now, even after I take them off. I had been wearing the Hoka Arahi 6, but still noticed a ton of pain from my PF at the end of a shift. I look forward to buying more pairs of the Altra Paradigm shoe!! Again, thank you so much for your help and for checking back in!

@@courtneybayles8192 thanks for replying! That's awesome that it works out for you. What size shoe did you get? I find it's a little hard to find a detailed sizing chart for Altra haha. I've seen one chart say 1/2 up from regular narrow running shoe. Or measure the CM of your foot and add +1cm and that's your shoe size.

@GandaBaer I read they're a bit smaller than standard sizing but wider in the toe box. When I ordered my hokas, I read that they can be a bit more narrow, so I bought my normal size, but wide. The paradigm, I bought a half-size bigger, but standard width. They fit very similarly but the hokas feel longer on my foot at a size 9.5W than the paradigms at a 10 standard. The back of the heel in the paradigms also isn't as stiff as the arahis, if that makes a difference to you!

altra would tell you your arch should not be supported

The tricky part with swapping an insole in an Altra shoe is it changes the drop. Most over-the-counter insoles have a few millimeters of lift to the heel. Currex makes an insole for high arches that is zero drop. That would be a good one to check out.

This is what I’m wondering. Please compare the Olympus to the Bondi 8.

Hope you are healing up well! I'd definitely check out the Hoka Gaviota, it's great for flat feet and stability for knee health.

@@RunMoore Thanks Steve.

Thanks for watching! Everyone here at the store loves Altras!

Sorry to hear that. While we love the Paradigm, it isn't for everyone. It's nice to hear the Torin works for you. If you are looking for support and the Paradigm didn't work out, we recommend adding an insole to your Torin. A supportive insert such as a Superfeet Green or Currex Blue will do the same thing that the GuideRail technology on the Paradigm does.

Any shoes that are classified as stability shoes will help with plantar fasciitis. From Hoka, there's the Arahi 6 and Gaviota 5. From Altra, there is the Provision 8 and Paradigm 7. Some other popular options include the Brooks Beast, Mizuno Wave Horizon, and the New Balance Vongo.

Any shoes that are labeled as stability shoes work best for plantar fasciitis. The stability shoes that Altra offers include the Paradigm 7 and Provision 8. These shoes are built with a higher arch profile and Altra's GuideRail technology to keep your foot nice and supported. The stability shoes that Hoka offers are the Arahi 6 and Gaviota 5. Similar to the Altras, they have a higher arch profile. Hoka uses its proprietary J-Frame and H-Frame technologies to keep your foot supported.

Thanks!

I have had Topo and Altra shoes. I use them for walking. The Topo Terraventure has better built and the Vibram outsole of the Topo ( still in very good condition now) last longer than the Altra Timpson and Lone Peak. There are many reports of poor built/quality of the Altras , they are probably right. I alternate between the Topo and Altra , the sole of the Altra Timpson has gone within 1.5 years of walking ( I don't run , I am not young anymore and I am not overweight )

Same! I have a Mortons neuroma as well! Currently have the Bondi 8 in a 4E width. I would like to try a shoe for walking that has a wider toe box only(not the whole shoe)

@@davegoslingphoto after researching quite a bit i decided against the Atra because it seems they are poorly made and fall apart quickly. I have ordered a pair of "Flux Adapt Runner" which should be here around Friday, will let you know if they're any good. They are not "max cushion" but don't need to be since I am only going to be walking in them. I can't imagine that only about 4 brands make shoes that fit the human foot, seems utterly insane. Altra, Topo, Lems, Flux are the only ones I can find that aren't ultra minimalist barefoot type shoes. Altra is out for poor quality. The Topo Magnifly 4 sounds good. The Lems Primal Zen And the one I just ordered Flux Adapt Runner. The Topo Magnifly 4 is my second choice. One other possibility is the Oofos shoe just not sure about the toe box

I mainly want for working in so I don't think any shoe would last over a year. I just need more toe room.. But I want a really cushioned shoe... Love the Bondi for that.@@nunyabizz50

The Torin is a little softer just because it is not stable but its not a large difference

We are trying to do more comparison-style videos or just overall injury-of-foot issue videos in the future. Now, the easiest way to compare the Arahi and the Gaviota...Think of the Arahi as the little sibling to the Gaviota. The Gaviota is bigger, denser, heavier, more stable, and taller. The Arahi is lighter, more nimble, and less stable. They both are designed for pronation issues but the Gaviotas has more of it. The tradeoff is it weighs more and costs a few bucks more.

We appreciate your support for our channel! If you have been living in the Converse Chuck Taylors we would recommend looking at some models from Altra. They will give the closest flat sole “skate shoe” feel thanks to all of their shoes having zero heel drop and having a minimal stack height when compared to other brands. People with flatter feet have a tendency to pronate so we recommend either the Provision or the Paradigm. Both of these shoes are stable shoes that have a higher arch profile to help them provide more support for people with flatter, falling arches.

@@RunMoore thank you, I'll look into that brand.

I would try looking into the Altra Torin 6 wide. It is essentially a 2E for women's, which is a double wide. You would have to size up in the Altras though.