Runway Safety: Quincy, IL (2013)

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11 жыл бұрын

Quincy, IL. November 19, 1996. Under the mistaken impression that a King Air preparing for takeoff on an intersecting runway will delay its departure, the crew of an inbound Beech 1900 proceeds to land. The aircraft collide at the runway intersection, killing all 14 passengers and crew.

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@AviationNut 7 жыл бұрын

I watched an episode of air crash investigation about this crash. This was a really sad accident everyone on the United Express Beechcraft 1900C survived the accident but couldn't get the door open and leaking fuel finally caught on fire and all 12 people on board died due to smoke inhalation and fire, the woman pilot was begging thru her cockpit window for someone to help open the door from the outside but do to the accident the door would not open few people tried to open it from the outside but after a while the fire kept them back. The episode is in season 15 of "Air crash Investigation", the name of the episode was called "Fatal Transmission", it's here on YT if anyone is interested just type in search box "Air Crash Investigation Fatal Transmission" and it should pop up. The episode is around 45min long it's all about this horrible accident.

@flyinter1988 3 жыл бұрын

can you provide a link for the episode? please

@J.n.A.1993 6 ай бұрын

@@flyinter1988 did you give up waiting for the link and actually search for it? 🤣

@Vincentvuoto 10 жыл бұрын

The problem wasn't complex, it's basic non towered operating procedures. But no pilot is immune to simple mistakes. These vids are really good learning.

@petrasobotka6138 2 жыл бұрын

Surprised they did not make a call when starting to roll for departure…it’s standard communication when you were holding on the runway like that, especially for an airline…unbelievable.

@Harm10412 5 жыл бұрын

This is one heart-breaking accident. I'm at a loss for words.

@klavss76 4 жыл бұрын

2 pilots and no one is listening Traffic during takeoff, they weren't looking out for traffic either, no excuse for that

@DeltaFoxtrotWhiskey3 3 жыл бұрын

Especially on a non-towered airport where the pilots essentially act as their own Ground Controllers. It’s practically suicidal to stop or hold on an active runway at any airport and ignore the radio.

@jaysmith1408 Жыл бұрын

Apparently the crew of the king air was an elderly retired airline captain, and a student first officer. I’ll give them a minimal nod of understanding that radio communications can be missed, last flight of mine I could only make out two thirds of comms, but my captain picked them up. I figure the captain was too busy doing his first officer’s job, and not doing his.

@benthurber5363 2 жыл бұрын

Pay attention to the damn safety briefing! All people on board the 1900 died because of a stuck door... They all died because not one person remembered that there were three other exits other than the door they entered... including the flight crew and people sitting at those exits for the entire flight.

@gmccord1970 4 жыл бұрын

Never ever get onto a runway unless you’re told to do so and cleared by tower or at an untowered airport you announced on the CTAF your intentions to takeoff.

@erauprcwa 6 жыл бұрын

Won't belabor who was right or wrong, I think that's clear. Can we also note that as pilots, we must see the bigger picture and speak up when we see a possible incident. I wish the pilot in the Piper spoke up to the King Air to stop their takeoff roll. When flying to non-towered airports or just airports in general, don't sit back and be a passenger in your own aircraft, speak up, you can potentially stop another incident from happening.

@MicraHakkinen 6 жыл бұрын

As mentioned, the pilot in the Cherokee was inexperienced and thought the 1900's question was directed at him. He replied, incorrectly stating that he was holding ON runway 4 while he should have said SHORT of runway 4 (then again, if he had realized this important distinction, he also might have realized that the question was not directed at him in the first place). Had he replied correctly, this might have alerted the 1900 that it was not a response from the lined up King Air. At any rate, the Cherokee pilot was thanked for holding and I think it's reasonable to assume that at this point he is unaware of any possible conflicts. Perhaps he assumed that since the 1900 asked him if he was going to hold, there was still enough margin for the King Air to cross in front of the 1900.

@jaysmith1408 Жыл бұрын

The Cherokee replied that they were holding BEHIND the king air. They omitted ‘Cherokee’ and ‘behind’ was cut off by the 1900’s altitude annunciation.

@Kawijazz 9 ай бұрын

At the very least, had the Cherokee pilot used ‘Cherokee’ in his announcement, the airliner would have known it wasn’t the King Air. It’s extremely important to identify your aircraft by make in all instances, to mitigate potential issues.

@intheshell35ify 4 жыл бұрын

20 years of riding motorcycles taught me there is no such thing as a 2 way stop.

@Raison_d-etre 3 жыл бұрын

"On approach, Captain Gathje inquired as to whether the King Air would hold short of the runway, or depart before their arrival. After receiving no response, Gathje called again, and received a reply from the Cherokee that they were holding short of Runway 04. However, due to the ground proximity warning system sounding in the 1900's cockpit, only part of the transmission was received by the 1900. Contributing to the cause of the accident was the Cherokee pilot’s interrupted radio transmission, which led to the United Express crew's misunderstanding of the transmission as an indication from the King Air that it would not take off until after Flight 5925 had cleared the runway."

@danielrose1392 4 жыл бұрын

I thing the airport layout is also a contributing factor. Runway intersections mid runway are the most dangerous ones. Basically no way to go around or stop in time.

@DeltaFoxtrotWhiskey3 3 жыл бұрын

Wait, you mean when sitting on an active runway your supposed to listen to the radio? What a revolutionary concept. Also, non-towered airport means stay the hell off the runways. It’s like a portable toilet. Only stay in there as long as it takes to do what it’s designed for (take off or land) and GTFO as soon as possible, everything else takes place on the ramp or run up areas or the taxiway.

@kentd4762 Жыл бұрын

That's a great way to think about non-towered airports: use the runway and then get off/airborne as soon as safely practicable.

@MasterClassComments 2 жыл бұрын

I bet that guy holding short in the Cherokee was absolutely losing his mind watching this play out.

@SterlingCreekProps 8 жыл бұрын

Great video and reminder for communications. I'm curious if the King Air was on the appointed frequency and performed a radio check during preflight procedures.

@jaysmith1408 Жыл бұрын

They did, though only to call the original effectively position and hold, they neither called actual takeoff, nor reply to Great Lakes.

@bartofilms 6 жыл бұрын

That is sad. Just a few more words from one of the 3 pilots on CTAF could have prevented this. So it seems.

@427SuperSnake1 11 жыл бұрын

Some pilots simply should not be pilots!!!!

@danemania001 4 жыл бұрын

427SuperSnake1 they usually aren’t for long

@georgemorley1029 4 жыл бұрын

Perhaps non-towered airports with intersecting runways shouldn’t exist?

@abbysnowmist 4 жыл бұрын

George Morley My home airport is one and there has never been an accident.

@Raison_d-etre 3 жыл бұрын

@@abbysnowmist I don't know about this issue specifically, but just because nothing has happened so far makes no difference in whether it's safe.

@jadefalcon001 3 жыл бұрын

Any place that has strong prevailing winds in more than one direction would end up being precluded from having small fields if untowered airports banned intersections.

@georgemorley1029 3 жыл бұрын

@@jadefalcon001 Your argument is therefore it would take up too much space and cost a bit of money to either redevelop existing airfields or relocate them, so let’s not do it? I don’t accept that as ALARP. Or SFAIRP/ALARA.

@toStringy 11 жыл бұрын

Very interesting, and great video too.

@hatchettc182 10 жыл бұрын

from the looks of it the king air could not have been on correct frequency given the amount of times the beech 1900 stated positions, learned this first hand i was fortunate to keep scanning radios and noticed by the time i was turning base leg and heard atc responding to another pilot, i was landing at non towered airport. have to pay attention or pay with life

@terran3276 9 жыл бұрын

The King Air did state their departure and the 1900 did hear it. Seems the King Air was preoccuppied and was not listening to the radio. Plus the plane holding short added to the problem. When your on the runway or even holding you should be listening on radio so they can paint the big picture to what is going on. I nearly had a mid air at a tower airport when the controller cleared me and another aircraft to land at the same time. I was able to catch it by listening to the radio hearing another plane on final expressing concern. Dont listen for your number only but listen to all transmissions at a tower or non tower airport.

@keemez 9 жыл бұрын

Looks like TH could use a little work on comprehension skills.

@conqururfear 6 жыл бұрын

wow

@jakeatwood4440 3 жыл бұрын

Was the King air doing a run up on the runway or something because they Cessna came up being the or was that already complete and they were doing something else? I usually do everything I need to for take off while doing the run up and pre takeoff. Never on the active. Find it hard to believe that they would disregard the CTAF and not report what they are doing. Unfortunately as the beech airliner made consistent calls during their approach.

@davisx2002 7 жыл бұрын

that was brutal

@mikemalone4729 6 жыл бұрын

I flew there on my first night cross country.

@ggurks 4 жыл бұрын

there's a Air Crash Investigation episode about this crash

@adam1885282 Жыл бұрын

Intersecting runways at an uncontrolled airport, might be a bad idea. Also, usually there's an active runway but apparently this airport is a free for all

@mariusmustermann6856 8 ай бұрын

three runway airport, all of them intersecting and no tower? what

@NicholasLittlejohn 5 жыл бұрын

Yea, and saying "Student Pilot" would have cleared things up. Also, no runway holds. The most dangerous place to hang out.

@richardweil8813 3 жыл бұрын

New private, not a student. Wouldn't have mattered anyway. I agree that this was a terrible spot to do a run up unless one of the King Air pilots was monitoring the radio, and even then there's a risk involved. Perhaps a big part of the issue here was having two runways in use. With non-towered fields you can use any one, but people flying generally agree on the best given the wind conditions. (And actually the worst situation is when there is no wind.) It's too easy to say that afterwards though, and maybe the same kind of situation had been routinely handled a hundred times before.

@Roytulin 4 жыл бұрын

Two aircraft flipping crashed into each other and you still have to bleep out the cursing XD

@tiny_toilet 4 жыл бұрын

I feel for the Cherokee pilot. He made a mistake, but if you're going to blame him, you might as well blame the UAL crew for not picking up on the different callsign. The King Air crew is clearly at fault for at least 95% of this tragic incident. And then they didn't even see the Beech as they were taking off?! The lack of awareness is astounding. Still, the CVR transcript indicates the Beech had at least 6 seconds from recognition of the approaching King Air until impact, so I wonder why they didn't just veer off into the grass to avoid collision.

@rogerwilco2 4 жыл бұрын

6 seconds is not a lot in anything. People usually vastly overestimate their reaction times, as our brains also delay the awareness of our actions. Things we think we do immediately are actually done with big delays.

@tiny_toilet 4 жыл бұрын

@@rogerwilco2 We expect emergencies in the air to take 3 seconds to register. The CVR proves that at least one of the crew had already registered the imminent disaster with 6 seconds to spare. In other words, that reaction time is ALREADY FACTORED IN. They had 6 seconds to do something but didn't. I don't know if veering would have been the best decision, but, at least in retrospect, it would have given a chance at survival.

@12345fowler 5 жыл бұрын

no comment required, facts speaks volume. Those guys should never have been granted permission to operate any flying machine. So much carelessness. And the PP, what was on his mind when making such response knowing there was another traffic in front of hime. Do these people have a brain at all

@factshd4931 8 жыл бұрын

The yellow marked plane might take off in number 4 i think

@factshd4931 8 жыл бұрын

I mean 18

@DuboisWyomingAirportConstructi 3 жыл бұрын

I knew the pilot of the 1900. None of this was her fault, she was a great pilot. The fault lies solely with the stupid M Fers in the King Air and the dipshit in the Cherokee. Kate was a fine pilot. The Quincy runway configuration is very dangerous and didn’t help any.

@doctriestosew4333 Жыл бұрын

Sorry for your loss 😔