Our world has minimized this issue so much it’s disturbing. Victims are told they’re insecure, jealous, crazy, that they should get mental help, they should be ashamed that the victim betrayed the betrayer (went through the betrayers phone, tablet or family computer etc.) It is unreal.

It's been 30 years after the betrayal. And I still feel it.

I still struggle horribly with complex betrayal trauma that was left unhealed from 25 years ago. No apologies, I was blamed, gaslighted. Descended into a hell on earth that led to alcoholism. My spouse told me just “to get over it”. “It” was 15 long years of intermittent disclosure (constant re-traumatization) and continued contact my husband never thought would come to light. I stayed to raise young children; that was a mistake. I’m a 66 year old highly educated woman who found the courage to leave and live separate and apart (since 2019). This has destroyed me; I will never be the lively, courageous, outgoing, passionate lady with such shine ever again. I feel so broken, so hollow and I do think about ending my life. Have been under consistent trauma therapy, have a life coach and psychiatrist. The physical manifestations of this trauma are there too: metastatic cancer, high blood pressure, depression, anxiety, digestion, sleep and focus problems. I decided to try new skills and hobbies- learning to sail, yoga, mosaics which help, but the deepest ugliest pain of unresolved betrayal, and the deeper hurt that my husband failed to work on himself and would not continue counseling showed me how terribly selfish he really is. The “bottom” for me was a complete mental breakdown. I was taken by ambulance to our local ER and admitted to the ER’s Behavioral Health Unit suicide watch. I’ve decided to author a book about the horror of infidelity trauma; it’s aptly titled “Madwoman”. Hoping to finish it this winter. This trauma is living in hell on earth.

I’ll never forget how the marriage counselor told me I had a part to play in the betrayal! WHAT A LIE!!! It’s like telling a murder victim “Well you had a part to play in your murder.” 🤦 It’s unbelievable!

Why is infidelity worse than murder? With infidelity, you leave your victim alive

When a partner minimizes the impact of betrayal trauma, that really can affect the person as well. Especially if they believe what they did wasn't full-blown "cheating" or damaging. Makes it very hard to heal with that person...

It takes thousands of lies to have an affair. From little white lies to big ones. It changed my life to learn that someone so "close" to someone else could do that. Everyone lies at times, but not like that. It shook me to my core when I found out.

From someone that is dealing with this immense problem that almost cost me my life, thank you.

My behavior has severly went from normal to psychosis after dealing with this. I am out of trust at this point.

Still feel it 36 years after, unbelievable pain

It's soul destroying. It's ruining me.

I found out 3 days after my husband passed away that he had a girlfriend 25 years younger, and that she may have been pregnant. 6 months later I found out everything he told me about his life was a lie (second marriage for both of us), and about 6 months after that I found out he had been having sexual relations with men since he was in his early 20s. It's been 2.5 years and I'm just starting to come out of this now. The manipulation was off the charts. Thank you for posting this video. Very informative.

when your spouse betrays you after 11 years when you find out you literally die your soul is mortally wounded

It’s clear to me this is what I’m going through. I knew the change in me was because of the betrayal, but I didn’t know it was an actual thing. I’ve never struggled like this before and it sucks because I feel I have no control over it, though I try my best to. I actually had a seizure in my sleep a month ago- never had a seizure before in my life. I honestly feel it came from the stress and constant worry

CW: trauma dumping I was betrayed by an important circle of friends a couple of years ago and it has changed me to my core. I used to be extroverted and a social butterfly and today I struggle with crippling social anxiety, shame and guilt. I’ve just recently started to name what I went through as a betrayal and it still feels like too dramatic of a word for it. I never got an explanation as to what I had done but can still feel like I deserved what I got, like I’m a rotten person, inherently bad. Through extensive therapy I have been able to accept that they chose a path, a course of action, that they shortsightedly felt gave them what they wanted, and when I was wounded in the process they felt that my pain was worth their gain. Naming it a betrayal was a big step for me, but I’m still far from fully healed. I really appreciate betrayal being categorized with other major traumas. I’ve been through some shit in my life, but nothing comes close to the impact this had on me and it feels good to have the severity of my pain recognized. Like I’m actually allowed to feel these feelings and to be broken.

I have been to war in iraq, i have lost all of my friends with the last one taking his own life last june but out of everything in my life that has hurt all of the pain of 53 years doesn't come close to how much finding out what my spouse of 17 years has done and continues to do to my heart and mind. Its torture nothing less

This guy cheated on me for 5 years. It didn't even know betrayal trauma was a thing. 20 years later I am sorting through the damage. Thanks for spotlighting this.

My betrayal trauma is from my mother. She was a good supportive mother most of my life. There were hints of her narcissism but they were few and far between. Then after she retired from working and lost feeling important and status and I got a chronic illness that made me physically less available to her, her narcissism became full blown. 13 years ago at the age of 76 she began to have vicious rages at me, gaslighting, crying and turning it around that she was the victim, all classic narcissistic behaviors. I had a nervous breakdown and went no contact 3 months ago. My pain is the pain of being betrayed by a mother I felt safe with and trusted all my life and she crushed my soul. There was no way to stand up for myself or have her hear me. I tried and was met with “I never said that. I don’t get enraged at you.” It’s been mind boggling frustrating and painful. Now when she is 89 she doesn’t have the support of her precious daughter. And no she is not demented. Her mind is perfectly sound. She doesn’t treat anyone else the way she treats me.

I think the reality is that someone who is in a “poly” or “open” relationship (at their partners request) and even pretends to be okay with it will probably experience betrayal trauma too…..I think this is why many people don’t like these relationships in the first place

My ex friend co conspired with my sons dad so that I would lose custody. It humiliated me to the core because I found out during the court hearing. If you think parents can’t lose custody based on lies they can. I’m so beyond grief. I have done nothing wrong and made out to be unfit. The justice system has winners and losers whoever has the most money wins.

I've experienced betrayal trauma several times over my 60+ years and now understand clearly what happened and what I can do to heal. I've carried the traumas within as my fault. I'm deeply grateful for your video.

My now ex loved and waited for his ex for 5 years in our relationship, and lied to me in my face! Used me for the love, money, and safety I provided, he used me as a bandage….. gave me breadcrumbs…. and I ended up in a severe betrayal trauma… weve been apart for a time now but im still traumatized….cant get over the betrayal….. that he used me… soo deeply… and lied to me and gaslighted me…. I dont know how to heal my nervous system… 😢

After a relationship of lies alcoholism caretaking gaslighting shift blaming, accus, and abuse. I found out that he had been cheating since the very very start, he entered our relationship or ready cheating and told me that person was a friend, who was shockingly messed up in the head enough to go with it and hang out with me because he demanded we all spend time together. Genuinely it is so sickening and I am so so traumatized. The things he did to hide the truth from me, I fought so hard when I had suspicions. He had other people lie for him and did the craziest things to get the attention and blame off of him and put on to me. When I found out he had been cheating the whole time, and I had the proof because the people finally told me the truth after I asked, I was so heartbroken I felt as if a portion of me died. To abuse someone else, destroy their confidence and sense of self, just projecting all of your actions onto them and punishing them for your own actions, while using them for their love, genuinely evil. I don’t think my heart will ever heal from this. I’m not close to the person I used to be. I used to be so confident. Thanks to him I no longer walk with my head up. I don’t even know who I am anymore. Being betrayed is horrible in and of itself, but having been punished the whole time for his betrayal, is another level of evil. And I can’t begin to except the fact that he have been cheating since the very start of the relationship. That honestly breaks me so much that I can’t even process it

This why I wish I would win the lottery and I wouldn't have to ever worry about this ever.

I understand why in some countries they stone cheaters to death. I think anyone involved in the process should be punished

The only thing we that live with trauma can do is support one another and lift one another up. I do not entertain any sort of relationship with people who have hurt me intentionally... even if they are family. It hurts like no other, but I need to save myself. I'm down to my bro, his family, my mom, and my sister. Some of them need to be left out, too. I'm trying, but it's gut-wrenching to cut out the only family I have left. The last people and things that are familiar to me. It feels so isolating and out of place. To be honest, I don't feel safe unless I'm alone or alone with my boyfriend. Sometimes, he doesn't even get. it. I'm tired of explaining why I am the way I am. The constant hypervigilances drains the fight out of me. I'm exhausted all the time. Being tired pisses people off because I work like crazy, but when I'm home. All I want to do is sleep and not encounter anyone, but my boyfriend. There's not a whole lot I enjoy anymore. I stopped having constant nightmares yrs ago, but every now and then, when something resembles the treatment I went through that caused the trauma (I've even seen it the wrong way and the person was not doing what I thought). It'll cause mightmares again. Not continually nightmares, but I have a little sequence of them. It's affected so many jobs... heck, it's affected every aspect of my life. I have bad days and good days. Today's not been such a good day. Emotions out of wack. The smallest thing that upsets me... causes me to feel like I can't breathe. I know this is a long comment. I needed to vent with words and tears. I'm tired as usual. So I'm going to wish for everyone to attain healing that last for the rest of your lifetime. I hope I get there. I'm going to need a lot of sleep, time to cry, and a lot of cognitive behavioral therapy sessions. I hope that God will bless all of us with enough healing that we can all enjoy life for once. Night all!

My ex wife was letting another man be daddy to my daughter while I was out of town working then be normal when I come home. Took almost a year to find out they had been doing that and my daughter wasn't mine. I went insane and almost killed a couple dudes and almost killed myself over the following few months and ended up going to prison for what I did to them guys. I tried and tried to get that dude even kicked in his back door and ran up in the house only to have those two dudes get in my way trying to get away and dude ran out the front door and gone. I went back in and did what I did trying to make them scream loud enough he'd come back to help them. I was even hollerin out the door asking if he's gonna let me keep going or come stop me. Even told him I'd stop if he came back. He never came back and I didn't stop. I'm not proud of that and wish I'd done something different and got him instead of them too but I don't feel bad neither because they had been helping him hide from me and felt like they needed to see what happens when the games they play and laugh about aren't games at all and have very serious consiquences. I ended up in ICU for 7 days because I had some kind of psychotic break down that shut my whole body down and started having seizures, hallucinations and beyond extreme anger that I couldn't begin to start to control. Still to this day I struggle with things and unfortunately probably always will. I didn't kill her because I didn't want to hurt my kids losing their mom. They had no understanding of what all was going on all they knew was that was their mom and I'm dad and naturally they loved both of us like any toddler and 3 yr old would. Me losing it was funny to her and make comments to provoke me AFTER what I had done and knowing what happened. I think she was trying to get me to kill her to be completely honest. I was never like that before, not even close. I was easy to get along with and didn't have a violent nature to me at all before then but it never went away once it got in me. It's like I'm not even me anymore.

This is me since 2009. Found out my wife betrayed me with more than one man. One she lied about all this time and just recently admitted to and then tried to lie about the other one smh. Ive been broken for all of these years from the betrayal, but more so the fact that I knew she was lying. Now it's even worse. This is the first I've heard of ptbs. This is me. Now I am starting to go thru it again with this latest revelation that she can still lie to me. I'm fking hurting man.

My husband cheated on me last year. Lies piled up, even he said sorry. I just caught him keeping unhonest about his affairs leading my broken-hearted. I don't know how to trust him again. Every his explain I doubt, every smile he might plot. The best part is he blames the betray on me.

I was betrayed by my ex wife 3 months ago. I can already tell it's something I will eventually heal from, but never forget or not feel it. I remember the date and time when it was revealed and she fled like it was yesterday.

Movies are what they are. This unfortunately happens daily in church and families and is devastating 💔

Does a sexless marriage cause relational/betrayal trauma? What would be the best approach to resolve the trauma if the partner does not want to change?

My first impression was to think you pegged Trump very well. For myself, this video has been a gift. Thx!

I was betrayed by my parents when young. Abuse (physical, mental and emotional) and abandonment. I picked a husband I believed would never betray me based on his family and religious background and for 20 of our 25 years he had built my trust up with him with a loving marriage then BAM @ 25 years he obliterated it all. Even my sister couldn’t believe it and she distrusts everyone.

What if it’s your whole family that’s betrayed, mentally, emotionally and physically abused you? The abuse is still happening and I feel completely broken. I do not trust or care what happens, I’m just too tired too.

Soul-crushing. My grandmother betrayed me in the worst way. After I lost both my parents at 8, she hurt me so bad by mistreating me, she was unsafe and physically abusive and played it down. I got abused by friends, intimate partners and colleagues are just so toxic to me. I'm so done with always being the bad guy when people keep mistreating me. 💔

I wrote a poem on all the forms of betrayal i experienced. People will NOT believe it.

It should be classified as a crime. I went through this years ago and don't wish that pain on anybody.

I’m starting therapy for this.

This is hard, a friend conspired with his family to remove from a joint project and I had invested years in this venture. It has been a struggle to forgive myself but I will do everything to heal and move on.

thank you for this information

Never let anyone in.

I had an internship in an emergency psych facility once. We had a few patients who were brought in by paramedics right after discovering infidelity from their partners. I will never forget the shell-shocked looks on their faces. Or how one of them completely questioned his own name and identity whenever we asked to confirm medical info. Some people do minimize the severity of the impact of this type of trauma when they say "get over it." You simply can't get over having something so fundamental as their trust violated.

It’s been six years this month. I was stalked by one of the women. I was a cutter as a teenager. It came back with a vengeance. I ended up in the hospital psych ward. I laid there for a week just wanting to die. Years later I have PTSD and still struggle every day. I chose to stay. Something I said I would NEVER do. I still don’t know if it was the right or wrong decision. I feel frozen in time.

when you think your partner ended the affair only to find out multiple times she never did i mean my wife is 100% a mid range narcissist type B she was the perpetual victim the smear campaign was horrible by the time i knew what was going on she had isolated everyone from me our inner circle of friends our family coworkers were all told that im a abusive husband psychologically abuse and emotionally abuse her... that im a alcoholic and a dead beat dad.... let me assure you NOTHING could be further from the truth but this is the malice you will witness when you are either disengaged from (discarded) or if you manage to escape she is using my kids as pawns in the courts right now i havent seen my children in a month at this point and she knows its the LAST line of control she has over me insidious evil fucking people

I experienced workplace betrayal from colleagues few times and I m so afraid after years still

Dang this does make a lot of sense.

When you suffer from it at the hands of a mental health worker it's not recognized.

I have a friend that slept with my girlfriend at the time and to this day he hides it from me and my other friends are helping him hide it. Sometimes the topic comes up mistakenly and they always hide it. It's been years and to this day I still find it hard to trust not just him but all of them. Its also painful whenever I remember that they're hiding something like that from me and also gossiping about it when I'm not there. Am I wrong in any way?

don’t waste another moment on them after the first hint of anything like this

Can what I’m feeling be betrayal trauma - even when the person who betrayed a trust isn’t narcissistic and no doubt thought they were doing the right thing? My adult daughter has betrayed a trust, in a number of ways, and it’s hurt so much. I think about it all the time, feel incredibly sad and cry a lot - for about a year.

Betrayal shreds you. But a good remedy is WEB research into the emotional incapacity of the betrayer(s). When you reach a position of utter contempt for their weakness, it re-establishes sanity and ennables your life to go forward. Bon courage, mes amis!

There is betrayal and there is betrayal. How it hits you, scars you, quakes or changes your inner identity a little, maybe we are all different. As a child I was told our world (the family's essentially) relied on nobody knowing I had been assaulted. Things were tricky, Mum had been away but suffered from residual post natal depression, with psychosis (Inc harming her children). That had settled but she was fragile. So, with nobody realising I had injuries, I started a life sentence of secrecy. I had PTSD from early childhood, so this tagged on. Things got much worse when the school said something was wrong. They had asked for explanations in each school year, this time it was an ultimatum 'take her to a doctor or we will'. I was warned again about silence but in the end the doctor noticed how quiet I was. He looked across at me. He knew. We were still not at disaster. That came days later. We were visiting a lady in our town hospital. He found me and off we went. Still okay. My dress unbuttoned at the back to the waist, a common kid's style back then. He unbuttoned it a little to look for bruises. Wrong area. I started to weep a little. Hell walked into the room. A new doctor, he terrorised me so effectively that I had a massive seizure that evening. My speech went for weeks. The senior doctor was being asked for financial favours by the junior doctor. I had become a cash card, and I had to be left with lifelong injuries. Everyone attended to me at home, my Mum as nurse. The psychosis started to stir. I had to recover and fast. My DIY repair was troublesome but yet again the school, mystified but not fooled, stepped in. Mending a child took resources, and class participation. But the fear was eased by all the love. It took 18 months but I left for senior school well patched. The first suicide, a young friend, came six years later. Full of guilt (he had been entangled in a posh, toxic home), a female family member refused help for treatable cancer. Just pain relief. Gone. I entered a numb phase and my career blossomed. My job involved visiting people. A couple had a difficulty but needed to see me. The difficulty was a family suicide and suddenly I woke up. I knew how they felt, how they struggled to do routine things. I washed up, he dried and the lady talked. Despair should be released not borne at its height. No platitudes, no mask. Just 'It will ease, I promise. Try to remember him gently smiling, not sad. We owe him that". The pain would not go, it would change. It flares up but in time it becomes a gentle sadness. I left having helped a little. Their son had simply been overwhelmed by despair. They were changed but went forward. I married, had a child. That concealed injury but back. The birth left me disabled. My son was fine but the disability increased, as predicted. My spinal cord had been injured. Now, forward many years. With minimal walking, I was okay but could not feel a pain in my lower body. I survived peritonitis, with surgery. Sepsis struck a year later. But heartbreak was approaching. My sibling wanted our parents to favour her in their will. They declined. She became more & more angry. I happily agreed to less, I was worn beyond caring. As a child my sister was adored. But Dad picked up his other little girl and that closeness remained. We were treated equally but loved differently by Dad. A boundary was smudged, worryingly. This annoyed Mum (correctly) but it went unaddressed. I kept a distance, I had to, the past was seeping into my life. The injuries were now known to my doctors. The bad one had wrought hell, the year before the peritonitis. But I had sent the Police, for irregularities. They went, uninterested. They were to go back. Death number three came out of the blue. He was finished but the price was dreadful. The betrayal: Dad would not be pushed. He left the money 50/50. Angry, my existence was obscured by my sister at first. My reason for my absence was never mentioned. 99% stuck at home, susceptible to repeat sepsis, not mentioned. Helping a little, grateful & happy to change the share, not mentioned. Instead 'a thief, a parent abuser, a sibling abuser' and more, the list put me into shock. A tearfilled apology followed. But gossip spread, I was a little seen, probable bad lot. At least I have quiet. But too much damage I think. This betrayal was the second to scar my soul. The first, My effective mother had seen every injury and doubled up covering up. She had left a child in great pain for weeks, occasionally unknowingly blacking out momentarily into adulthood. And chose to die, as if more heartbreak would help. Or overwhelmed. I never see my sister, I did not respond. Skirting a nervous breakdown, I am now simply too worn down with it all. My son lives happily married, many miles away. This branch of a House of Usher ends with me. They are safe. That feeling has gone for me but despair is out of luck. I am simply worn out. I stayed 'clean'. That is true survival. My sibling succumbed to how we were treated. That heartbreak, finally inescapable, was too much for words.

First time I have listened to you and you differentiate polyamory! Hitting subscribe! Then you also bring up chakras!

My ex wife of 22 years and three children had cheated on me it's been 2 years since and I fine it's still hard too get over it time to time

I developed an anxiety disorder when my Dad succumbed to late onset Alzeimer's and was assigned to a psychiatrist and was stupid enough to tell my sister her name. She made an independent appointment with this doctor to tell her all about me (she fucked off when our parents fell ill btw so her motives were ... pure malice). The doctor called me and lent me Without Conscience by Robert Hare explaining psycopathy. I am sorry that there is a void in my sister's brain and for many years kept trying to fix something that could not be fixed. A minor betrayal was a man who said he loved me, I had known him for 16 years, and abruptly disappeared. That for me was a kind of grief for a well loved person who was going through his own stuff at the time. So for me it's context.

I had to listen to this again. Since I first heard this message, something happened. I made an enemy in my recovery group because I wasn't interested in sex with this girl and her boyfriend the girl became extremely angry with me and began to tell lies about me and finally isolated me from all of my friends in the group, male and female. Then the climax came when this new girl sat next to me at a meeting and thought I was funny, so we laughed. At the end of the meeting three people spoke up and accused me of being a predator. There was no fighting back the liars as the whole group were mad as hell at me and just knew my intentions. For my sanity I left those people, a person can't protest his innocence because as soon as you state your case the crowd only hears the word "Predator". And that's what they again accuse you of. My best defense is to shut up and stay away, but it's a small mountain town.

2 1/2 years later and I still break down regularly.

I am 37 mother of 3 in a relationship for 12 years. About 7 years ago was when my younger sister started coming around more. I was happy to feel loved. That's when she told my partner of 4 years and we had just had our son and I had my tubes tied. Well she told my partner that i cheated (this never happened) (this is also not the first time she had tried to ruin my life intentionally. ) FF 5 years and she finally told my partner whom things have now gotten pretty rough between. That she had lied to him about me cheating on him. But when he would leave my sister would drug me and was allowing a bunch of men brutally rape me she had been drugging me with ghb and heroine. No I do not do drugs or drink. Well I did noticed different things that were just not right I ignored it she's my sister I should have been safe. This went on for 5 years. Now FF 3 more years to now. And well I just found out. C3ybui7tx??? WTF?????

Forgiveness Undermind's knowledge and understanding. Forgiveness should be used like sacrifice, very sparingly.

My mother betrayed mine and my siblings safety over and over again with abusive step fathers. Who yes, all abused us aswell. Each with a different *flavor* let's say.

Hi! I follow you because you provide some really great information that has been useful to me in my life. I’d love to read this article but I can’t seem to be able to access it unless I’m a therapist also? I’d love to read it if possible.

I have been lied about sent to jail on a lie cheated on in horrible ways and still lied too. As this has damaged me others claim they are the victim as they lie more and I truly think it’s insane. Someday I wake up I am ok others l wake up and I can trust no people at all and every one is a cheating lier 100% even if I meet someone new. I couldn’t even answer my phone for therapy yesterday because I didn’t trust my therapist

Reopening up the wound just so I can let the pain out, but it still hurts so much.

There are no societal implications. Thats why this is so rampant.

What are you talking about,... that betral is high in narsissum?? Not everyone that lies is a narcissist. 3:11 If my partner used drugs and porn, , it was a lie by omission.

There's a good reason why traitors are executed during times of war, a battle may be lost, people hurt and killed. etc.

What kind of therapy would help in this area.

My narcissist daughter has used and betrayed me and the family that was there when her loser father wasn't(which was all of her life, pretty much) But now he can't do ANY wrong and we are now the enemy. The worst betrayal

let me save you all some time.....they will never admit it and they sure as shit won't apologize. If you can accept these 2 things I think it will help. Took me 8 years to learn that. They will however blame you. enjoy

When those in authority abuse their power to obfuscate their own mistakes to steal from and persecute a disabled person they themselves have made homeless- yeah it’s traumatic but the worst bit is no one believes you.

it is one of the 10 commandments, it is effing serious

It's 22 years of hell I lived (still do!) with my husband who would never confess anything until I find evidence. A part of many lies about many other things, I caught him red-handed with porn and he told me everyone is doing it, get over it! As if it's not enough, he strategically ruined my reputation through non-founded lies and cut me off everyone I used to know to keep me under his thumb. He changed me beyond recognition especially due to his violent episodes. We came that close to divorce and he changed his mind suddenly halfway through.

Thanks

Vibration is the answer

Nice

you lost me and a bunch of others with "chakras"

Stings so goddam much

I do not see the article

Line up ,,,victims...

my betrayal trauma almost cost me my life now a guy lets me know he wants to kiss me and i have like a weird ptsd episode i want to be invisible and load my truck up and dissapear. Yup that is a weird ptsd episode. And now i at least understand why. Now working towards healing.

Try using a pop filter.

Please keep politics out of this topic! Those of us dealing with betrayal needn't hear the read-between-the-lines on your political views

Like many, you also confuse 'Betrayal trauma' with common infidelity or being set-up and taken advantage from by a Nascissitic/Sociopathic,, or even a regular person. We all get those betrayals from time to time. This is sad but not the definition of 'Betrayal Trauma'. You can not call every betrayal causing a trauma. The word 'trauma' is easily used these days. 'Betrayal Trauma' mostly referres to extreem childhood abuse. Read Jennifer Freyd. Your garden-variety of cheaters and manipulators also cause traumatic reactions but on another level of severity. They are mostly temporarilly in time. While the effects of severe childhood abuse are often live lasting by their impact. Children who endured this extreme abusive treatment of caregivers develope a 'Betrayal Trauma'. That's the real meaning of the concept. Not your version/interpretation of the concept. You take it much too wide which many 'therapists' do here on KZfaq. To catch as many fish as possible?

Don't put more fuel and blow it wild. 2 or 3 generations before all our ancestors had polygamy relationship they enjoyed it happily 😋.

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