UNDISPUTED ON FS1 Russel Westbrook if he's not I'm going bladada on someb
@melvinschannel1977 жыл бұрын
UNDISPUTED ON FS1 Harden is the real MVP.
@ethancharles79177 жыл бұрын
Westbrook is putting up godly stats and is breaking records that were meant to be in "unbreakable". And now he's winning games too, 31-7 when he gets a triple double. I used to be on the Harden Hype train but Westbrook convinced me last night. #MVP
@cp31907 жыл бұрын
lol. what rubbish
@djfresh54737 жыл бұрын
Ethan Charles nothing is meant to be "unbreakable"
@hoyells43377 жыл бұрын
JAM Nice come back buddy. I would say that if I had absolutely no substantive argument either. WB is the MVP but for many, many more reasons.
@hoyells43377 жыл бұрын
JAM Nice come back buddy, the kind I would expect from someone who has no argument. WB is the MVP!
@CMCut7 жыл бұрын
Ethan Charles well rockets are 51 wins already and Harden's stats are better if you look at it not just by counting triple doubles.
@joshuashaver3237 жыл бұрын
Westbrook is only breaking records this year with a "nets" type team. Without Westbrook OKC has 20 games and is the BOTTOM seed. Westbrook MVP by a long shot
@melvinschannel1977 жыл бұрын
Joshua shaver Not really.
@russell94117 жыл бұрын
Joshua shaver I don't see okc winning 20 games bruh lls more like 10 no way they win. russ leaves and bench already pathetic sheesh lla
@badaxtion18787 жыл бұрын
Joshua shaver you give them 20 without Russ? You're really nice
@nets4life3777 жыл бұрын
Melvin's Channel You kidding me?
@AnDr3w0667 жыл бұрын
without harden houston is out of the playoffs by a long shot.. your point?
@charlessmith69587 жыл бұрын
Russell Westbrook is the most disrespected player in NBA history. Russell Westbrook has almost as many triple doubles this season as Jordan and Lebron have had in their entire careers. You can't diminish averaging a triple double for an entire season after 60 years of nobody doing it because it doesn't fit your narrative about Westbrook. Russell Westbrook is the MVP. Shannon grow up, Lebron can't even average a triple double in the weak East. And finally, how is being a top 5 seed in the West not qualify as winning enough?
@black_savage967 жыл бұрын
Charles Smith I'm pretty sure Lebron could average one but that wouldn't do his team any good tbh
@Dolemite197 жыл бұрын
It was I, Dio!! who piped your girl typical LeBron excuse I can but I don't try but I want to be called the goat
@FootSoulgerz7 жыл бұрын
truth
@blackanimelover187 жыл бұрын
LeBron could easily average a triple double if he felt like it, LeBron's game is to make everyone else better. The dude already averages 26, 8 and 8 while not taking the regular season seriously.
@samogh29317 жыл бұрын
Charles Smith Well no idiot wants to average a triple double. Has westbrick been to 6 finals won 3 titles won 4 mvps?? Idiot don't compare that brick to Lebrons greatness
@TGBIGBOSS7 жыл бұрын
RUSS HAS TO WIN THE MVP, his numbers are astronomical
@DeMarvelous_DeChosen7 жыл бұрын
TGBuckets Colin Cowherd, Mark Cuban, and Stephen A Smith are all shook asf rn because Russell WESTBROOK proved last night he is the MVP
TGBuckets he should be mvp though but he also clearly statpads
@pfunk427 жыл бұрын
His numbers aren't as great as Kobe's 06' season. Kobe didn't win the MVP....and if the same criteria which was largely used by the voting media to deny Kobe that MVP is used here, then Russ shouldn't win either. Remember the criteria? "The best player on the best team".....what happened to that? MVP voting is a joke
@unbiasvsbias39557 жыл бұрын
pfunk42 It can be argued who had a better season individually between 06' Kobe and Russell. The main difference was Kobe's team. That 06' squad was absolutely horrible but kobe somehow pulled them to the 6th seed. And you do have a point in "The best player on the best team" which ruins the true meaning of being an M.V.P
@stopbeingakeyboardkillermo41127 жыл бұрын
Westbrook MVP!!!
@janembajenemba86127 жыл бұрын
StopBeingAKeyBoardKiller&MousePadMobster! girl you fine af
@Black____7 жыл бұрын
+priincxsstierra lol, these cats be complimenting most likely men..
@stopbeingakeyboardkillermo41127 жыл бұрын
@priincxsstierra-Catfish? She is I and I is her don't hate me because im pretty and like sports, i have an athletic dad and 3 athletic uncles and my momma ran track.. So you can put that catfish comment in your pipe and smoke it. BTW Westbrook is MVP!!!
@r3ddeucefellows9977 жыл бұрын
StopBeingAKeyBoardKiller&MousePadMobster! haha I like that!!!
@stopbeingakeyboardkillermo41127 жыл бұрын
@ priincxsstierra - I just was setting the record straight,you said i was cat fishing. Which i'm not, so a lie unchallenged, can become the truth. That's why i responded to you, Westbrook is MVP!
@shaneparker47387 жыл бұрын
is this the MVP race or the "best team record" race ??
@kohsmoger15677 жыл бұрын
Both teams of harden and Westbrook wouldn't make the playoffs without either of them but harden is leading his team to more wins.
@greatestofalltime1237 жыл бұрын
how can you be the most VALUABLE player if your team is trash how valuable can you actually be, Westbrook by now if anyone watches basketball is forces these numbers he takes the most shots has a terrible shooting percentage, and makes most of his assists when the shot clock is in the bottom few seconds and he dishes it off for another player to shoot
@richardcollins93967 жыл бұрын
Westbrook should without a doubt win MVP. what he is doing is amazing. replace westbrook with any average point guard thunder would be a lottery team. it is MVP not most valuable team. harden has a much better team around him. Westbrook is more valuable and a better leader than james harden. Westbrook has a lot of young players around him that he is haveing to lead and teach. it is harder to lead a young group still learning the basics, because college is a lot different than NBA, than an older more experienced group. Hardens has a much older more experienced team to lead than westbrook.
@melvinschannel1977 жыл бұрын
Richard Collins That's because his usage rate is the highest in the league!
@david46547 жыл бұрын
Replace Harden with any average point guard and the Rockets are a lottery team.
@richardcollins93967 жыл бұрын
harden is amazing im nkt saying he isnt im just say westbroom is better and more valueable. rockets would still make playoffs with an average point guard. they would not be in the 3rd seed but they would be in playoffs because of the amount of shooters they have. if westbrook had good 3 point shooters he could dish it out to when he drives they would be a lot better. if I had to choose a pg to build my team around it would be westbrook because I think he is a better leader. kd left he stepped up and made thunder a lot better than most thought they would be after kd left.
@KenyanFleming917 жыл бұрын
+David no his coach has a pretty sustainable system bro
@russell94117 жыл бұрын
David of course no average point guard is leading their team to victories lls
@TwiiziOG7 жыл бұрын
LaVar is MVP yall trippin
@brianzzz75207 жыл бұрын
Kobe24Lakers mvp for hyping up his trash sons
@selfmadeboss45067 жыл бұрын
Kobe24Lakers lmao
@larskk1017 жыл бұрын
K
@hunterXhamster7 жыл бұрын
Kobe24Lakers Lavar would get back to back unanimous MVPs and average a quadruple double
@FiRe247107 жыл бұрын
Kobe24Lakers sounds like something a bronsexual would say.
@andrewgoering67387 жыл бұрын
This year there have been over one hundred triple-doubles! You know what that says to me? Russ is making the whole damn league better!
@_IAmTheSC7 жыл бұрын
not to take away from Harden but Westbrook is the MVP
@AnDr3w0667 жыл бұрын
he doesn't deserve it over harden
@AnDr3w0667 жыл бұрын
WillSoTrill TV nice argument.. thank you for failing
@AnDr3w0667 жыл бұрын
WillSoTrill TV so you still have nothing smart to say so you throw childish insults. You failed again but hey stay mad
@AnDr3w0667 жыл бұрын
WillSoTrill TV still mad? Yeah it must be because you have 0 counter argument. Stay mad
@AnDr3w0667 жыл бұрын
WillSoTrill TV still mad throwing childish insults. It must suck not being able to defend your points because you know you are wrong. Stay mad kid
@liangliang64427 жыл бұрын
A 3 point shot is easier to assist but harder to make to get the assist, layups/dunks are harder to assist but easier to make the shot.
@kefkapalazzo17 жыл бұрын
Liang Liang I'm not following
@liangliang64427 жыл бұрын
There are two different parts to an assist, the pass and the shot. To assist on a three, you can just dish it to your left or right and then your teammate can do a pull up jumper. To assist on a layup or dunk, you have to pass the ball through a body or 2 (unless its a fast break or ally oop) which in my opinion is more difficult than just throwing the ball to someone with no one in the way. Now, I believe making a three point shot is harder than making a layup...sooooo. You have an easier pass for a harder shot, OR a harder pass for an easier shot.
@jessicasims28537 жыл бұрын
clint capela is catching 5 oops a game damn near. WTF are you talking about SMH
@liangliang64427 жыл бұрын
if you can read... "unless its a fast break or ally oop" smh
@potcomadman0117 жыл бұрын
Good thing Houston takes an insane amount of threes so Harden can fill up that assist column
@brianmarcus28487 жыл бұрын
Westbrook hands down much love for harden but w.b DESERVES solo mvp
@curtismynameheard46287 жыл бұрын
Rafael Torres true
@clampzzz7 жыл бұрын
curtismyname Heard u already know
@thegoats23greatestsggreate527 жыл бұрын
Westbrook MVP in my opinion
@mikeclayton51827 жыл бұрын
No need to say "in my opinion" if it's a fact
@Dario.9917 жыл бұрын
I like your nickname, appreciating both greats. I wish more people would.
@thegoats23greatestsggreate527 жыл бұрын
***** yea man....ppl think if u love MJ u hv to hate LBJ or vice versa... its crazy...just accept it for what it is...
@ObeyLu7 жыл бұрын
Lmfao shannon sharpe perspective was so off lmao Wtf is this dude talking about it pisses me off
@Manny-gb3dk7 жыл бұрын
Hi My Name Is Broussard be dickriding tf outta Russ
@russell94117 жыл бұрын
Timothy Julien no he likes russ he just wants LeBron win mvp
@gloedup1507 жыл бұрын
He don't know basketball
@yaboy14147 жыл бұрын
The Orlando fans was Callin him the MVP!!! Crazy!!!
@Rushking207 жыл бұрын
Orlando has nothing everyone is their MVP
@alia77507 жыл бұрын
ralph finnie I went to Orlando for a vacation and the people there were chanting MVP at me.
@utilize3eyes7 жыл бұрын
rushking20 #TerribleTowels Real recognize real
@TheJoeGizzle7 жыл бұрын
Russ is MVP; Chris Broussard should have his own show eventually.
@GalacticAstroparticles7 жыл бұрын
- *Trash Team argument retort* : Many players have been through that, in these kind of teams. No one has ever come close to averaging a triple double AND 30+ points AND get in the playoffs in a TRASH team. With 30+ points and 10+ rebounds OR 10+ assists he would be a legit candidate. He is doing *both* AND his team is 31+7 when he does it. AND he is the most exciting player this year to watch.
@jordancole56717 жыл бұрын
jordan avg . 30 ,8 ,8. 88-89 lebron is avg 26 ,8, 9 now harden 29, 8, 11 now bird avg. 24, 10, 8. 89-90 wilt avg 24, 24, 9 67-68
@blackadam067 жыл бұрын
+orestisDisturbed No one's ever "come close" to doing that on a "trash team", that also got into the "playoffs" huh? Oh really? Is that right? I'll just throw just one person's name into this conversation: 1989 MJ: 32ppg 8apg 8rpg on 54. FG% * CHI Bulls were 47-35 that yr, and were STILL maturing into a solid playoff team. Now if that isn’t “close” to avg'n a triple double, then what is? It’s amazing to watch you millennial fanboys come on here, and boldly make such ardent claims about the game’s history, while being UTTERLY CLUELESS about it. And what makes comments like yours even more egregious, is that your generation is supposed to be “OF” the information age LOL!! Which means you have access to FAR MORE INFO than ANY GENERATION preceding you. It's scary to see one generation CONSISTENTLY DISPLAY such blatant ignorance...SMH
@lonzoball25927 жыл бұрын
blackadam06 edgy oldhead
@blackadam067 жыл бұрын
+Lonzo Ball More like an astute observer...
@russell94117 жыл бұрын
jordan Cole russ 31-10-10 and he doesn't have shooter, no bench
@bossstatus911umad7 жыл бұрын
Let me put this to rest: harden is having an outstanding season and would win MVP any other year. But Russ is having a HISTORIC season and deserves it this year.
@bryanparnell47527 жыл бұрын
Why is Shannon hating on Westbrook so much? I mean like damn.
@FiTZxFaDed7 жыл бұрын
Bryan Parnell he not hating its a debate show. someone has to make the argument for disagreement and agreement.. the same how Shannon backs Lebron and Skip disagrees. that's how they create their content.
@Prophet2937 жыл бұрын
Because it's a debate show and each man has to take a side? Is it really that hard to figure out?
@utilize3eyes7 жыл бұрын
Enoch K. You live under a rock
@enochk.17287 жыл бұрын
Doesn't even make sense
@MrPangahas7 жыл бұрын
Maybe he was just saying Shannon takes side for the sake of taking side and most of the time it just comes out as hating or in the case of Lebron fanboying, coz most of the time he doesn't really have a compelling argument on why he's on that side of the debate.
@d_exiled_1arisen3857 жыл бұрын
Russell "The Savage" Westbrook is NBA MVP hands down.. what NBA all star PG or SG has averaged a triple double?! come on man!!
@jackjelf077 жыл бұрын
'obviously he's not playing with pippen or rodman' WAIT WHAT? DID SKIP JUST GIVE MJS TEAMMATES CREDIT?!
@Hidden-Secrets7 жыл бұрын
just give westbrook the mvp. thunder lost durant and they are still winning in the WEST. im not even a westbrook Fan but he deserves it.
@RicoPointer7 жыл бұрын
Having better players doesn't mean you shouldn't win MVP. Duncan, Bron, Jordan, Magic, Bird all had some of the best teams of their era but still won several MVPs.
@SugaFree23877 жыл бұрын
i just dont understand these so called basketball fans, russ is putting up numbers no one thought was possible and to add to that its 2017 not 60s and yet people still find way to degrade Russell's like wtf
@JDefoe18827 жыл бұрын
so Harden's 54 p, 17 a, 16 r is forgotten or what? And he did it in a time when the Knicks still had hopes for the playoffs. Orlando has nothing to fight for. That Harden's tripple double might easily be one of the best regular season performances ever.
@brysoncoles9127 жыл бұрын
Listeroman was his team down at the bottom of the 4th?..did he hit the game tying 3 to take it to OT? did he takeover OT to win after coming back in regulation to tye it up to take it to OT where his team won the game?
@brysoncoles9127 жыл бұрын
Listeroman I'm asking?
@JDefoe18827 жыл бұрын
well Harden didn't let that happen because he played great from the beginning... I'm not saying Russel's performance wasn't great it was unbelievable but saying Harden's performance was worse because he didn't take a game to OT isn't really a great argument in my opinion.
@brysoncoles9127 жыл бұрын
Two l's in his name not one...Lol!!!
@brysoncoles9127 жыл бұрын
Let's just be real n frank...nobody is checking for Harden like they are Westbrook n that's just what it boils down too fan or no fan...I'm out
@Chris-ss6rb7 жыл бұрын
Russell Westbrook sealed the MVP. Period
@deandrewhite17317 жыл бұрын
It hurts me to my heart to said it but i think Russell Westbrook might be better than Allen Inverson
@arobrobinson60847 жыл бұрын
Deandre White u lost your damn mind Iverson was a better defender
@thehighlightmonster10577 жыл бұрын
Iverson could defend Mario Chalmers
@projectnarrows7 жыл бұрын
Deandre White no way dude no way
@Filmssentials7 жыл бұрын
Deandre White No.
@sqho5327 жыл бұрын
Deandre White Stop. Until westbrook can lead a team to the finals as the only star on the team and take a game off another team undefeated in their conference, just no
@KIONBROWN7 жыл бұрын
I was a James Harden guy for MVP but this guy keeps making me change my mind. This is no easy decision at all. This might have to be the year of the Co-MVP
@sethmarie7 жыл бұрын
It's hard to argue against Westbrook for Mvp now.
@guwapdcfinest58687 жыл бұрын
His season more impressive then currys last year
@russellthegoat38947 жыл бұрын
chris broussard is the man. hes always so coherent with expressing his thoughts and does so in a way without attacking the other guy. WESTBROOK FOR MVP. He has the spirit of jordan kobe AI magic. He is a goat.
@derrickjones35057 жыл бұрын
Rockets would still be a playoff team without Harden.. OKC would be a lottery pick without Russ. Individually, Westbrook clearly is having the better season. Just because Harden's team has more wins, doesn't mean he should be MVP.
@king_rich00884 ай бұрын
The year after kd left okc and Westbrook won the mvp that season was by far the definition of mvp. Cause if he wasn't there that okc team isn't even close to a playoff spot
@JerseyzFinest2017 жыл бұрын
Westbrook for MVP!!! 💪🏼
@klass-janlavine30237 жыл бұрын
Chris Broussard teaching Shannon Sharpe some knowledge on Basketball.
@RedPhill247 жыл бұрын
No disrespect to Harden but I Think Westbrook is the mvp. His team will make and Westbrook is the main reason. To average a triple double for an entire season is special.
@SteveTKO7 жыл бұрын
WestBrook should win it or have both Harden and Westbrook win it. I can't not believe how amazing this guy is. That team shouldn't even be in the 8th seed talent wise and he's gone beyond that. This dude the MVP and top 3 in the league. 1. LeBron, 2. Harden 3. WestBrook.
@Rozie3697 жыл бұрын
Russ haters be like: "the record isn't fair, they went into overtime so he had more time to score"
@jacoby3107 жыл бұрын
I'm with Chris 100%, people have been downplaying triple doubles all year because Westbrook has been an absolute monster and almost normalized triple doubles. You look back 5-10 years ago, triple doubles were few and far between and were viewed as an uncommon single game feat. If someone got a triple double you'd be like "wow he played super well that game". People are trying to rationalize this unheard of feat by making excuses for why he's able to get so many. It's honestly so frustrating to see the hate he's getting for being so great.
@momenkhan88387 жыл бұрын
if chris broussard is willing to give russ the mvp than everyone but colin cowherd should also
@hoyells43377 жыл бұрын
COLON COWARD and DARK CUBAN don't have votes! That's why they crave attention.
@kohsmoger15677 жыл бұрын
Thinking about it I am convinced Westbrook deserves mvp. I have been saying harden all season, but can't anymore.
@user-nm2hb5lg6z7 жыл бұрын
my favorite player in this current NBA era for the last few seasons..he is ruthless
@mrkennyfernand7 жыл бұрын
Russell westbrook will be the MVP. James is doing great but.... MVP WESTBROOK = 50 WINS (43 WINS 8 GAMES LEFT) + 4TH OR 5TH SEAT + AVERAGE A TRIPLE DOUBLE + PASS OSCAR ROBINSON & MAKE HISTORY Come on people open your eyes. with KD 55 wins 15-16 season without KD 43 wins 8 games left to go. this man deserves it.
@Kidkinsey7 жыл бұрын
and last year Okc was said to have the deepest team in the Nba, KD left, but the other pieces are still there, Roberson Adams kanter oladipo etc
@Kidkinsey7 жыл бұрын
***** oladipo kanter and Adams are trash??
@jtaddeo867 жыл бұрын
C'mon Shannon, seriously? You can't talk about how the Rockets have less talent and then go on to name all the talented players they have (Ryan Anderson, Lou Williams, Eric Gordon) that are all probably equal to or better than the supporting cast Westbrook has. Who else on the Thunder is supporting Westbrook offensively? Oladipo is inconsistent. Adams has no shot outside the paint. Kanter has some offensive game, but nothing all that special. Roberson may as well not even be on the floor when they have the ball. There is not one player on this Thunder team that you can look at and say "This guy can handle the scoring load if Westbrook has an off night". If Westbrook does not get the MVP this year (and it should be unanimous) then the award is meaningless. Show me one single player more valuable to the success of their team than what Westbrook has done this year.
@354allday7 жыл бұрын
jtaddeo86 you named a bunch of journeymen none of those guys like they're all stars Harden just makes them better Westbrook doesn't make his team better
@354allday7 жыл бұрын
Daz exactly dude got lottery picks on his team but he's somehow surrounded by d leaguers
@jtaddeo867 жыл бұрын
Journeymen? Lou Williams was Sixth Man of the Year in 2015, Ryan Anderson has been a very effective outside shooter his whole career and Eric Gordon has averaged double-digit points in every season he has been in the league (averaging over 16 a game this season). I wouldn't call those journeymen in the sense that they're scrubs. It doesn't really matter how many teams they've played for. Both Gordon and Lou Williams are averaging more points per game than Oladipo (OKC's 2nd leading scorer) and Anderson (13.5 ppg) isn't far behind Oladipo. Not really arguable that Harden has more talent on his team.
@jtaddeo867 жыл бұрын
They got Kanter to complement KD and Westbrook because it added more of an offensive inside presence, and Kanter averaged 13.8 ppg and 7.8 rpg in his last full season before the trade. Now that KD bailed who else is an effective outside shooter? Not Adams. Not Roberson. Not Kanter. So you basically have an inconsistent Oladipo and who else shooting from outside? Teams can pack the paint because of a lack of an outside threat besides Westbrook. Harden has much better shooters, especially behind the three point line, in Gordon, Anderson and Williams.
@jtaddeo867 жыл бұрын
Okay, but what does them being journeymen have to do with anything? Shaq played for six different teams, which makes him a journeyman, but that doesn't change the fact that he was one of the two most dominant players every to step on an NBA court. Just because players play for multiple teams does not change the fact that they're still crazy talented. They may not be franchise players, but they're still valuable. And Westbrook is averaging over 10 assists per game, meaning he does set his teammates up to get easier and better shots. Still doesn't change the fact that he's playing with less talent than Harden.
@dustinsmith47772 жыл бұрын
Its crazy how much there opinions have changed on him now. Now they hate on him and bash him almost every day on undisputed. Can't shoot, can play d, nobody wants him, just pay him 47 mil to stay home, and this and that. And I'm not saying they're wrong.
@user-yh3cy8tj1d7 жыл бұрын
If they win then he's the MVP, if they lose then the triple-double is overrated, he's a ball hog and a stat padder. Just give the man his props he deserves the MVP this year.
@adambarett86297 жыл бұрын
mvp is a stat award now
@YoRoyalFlynezz7 жыл бұрын
Why is Shannon steady stuck on this 5th seed argument? What's the difference between 6th and 5th bruh? Either way you don't have Home Court Advantage! So what's the point of using the 5th seed as a barometer? Plus you looked mad foolish tryna discredit Russ at the end when you were actually complimenting his ability even more without trying Lol
@shaneparker47387 жыл бұрын
Russ is making history. if he don't get the MVP it will be talked about as the biggest snub in NBA history
@babychrisbreezy7 жыл бұрын
We still having this debate. It's been clear for months now that Russ should be the MVP. I haven't heard one legitimate argument why he shouldn't be MVP. Only thing I've heard was hate and disrespect towards Westbrook
@e84fresh7 жыл бұрын
Yep! Just like they used to do Kobe.
@isaiahgoatcelticshardflop69397 жыл бұрын
Russ and Kawhi Co-MVP! much deserved!
@JDefoe18827 жыл бұрын
I am convinced that LeBron would average a tripple double in Oklahoma as well....
@tylerwilson39097 жыл бұрын
Westbrook would be unstoppable if he was lebrons height
@kambuibomani2317 жыл бұрын
Then leave midway through the season to REST his nerves.
@nets4life3777 жыл бұрын
tyler wilson Yea but then he would be a little slower.
@tylerwilson39097 жыл бұрын
+Nets 4life even if he was a little slower he would have a greater impact with lebrons height And he already averaging a triple double now and plays with that aggressive mindset do you not think he would be better just 3 to 4 inches taller
@jarodrochell13107 жыл бұрын
No he wouldn't. Maybe he could but he doesn't play hard during the regular season, he wouldn't keep it up for 82 games, or however many games he ended up playing
@Jerf0nTheClerf7 жыл бұрын
lmao Sharpe at the end of that. He thought he asked a question that was going to go his way, and everyone went the opposite. That was amazing
@YourFriendZay7 жыл бұрын
Shannon is oblivious to the mechanics of a basketball player. All he knows is statistics
@gregorydaniels86077 жыл бұрын
that first guy that spoke on westbrook made my skin grown with perfect analyst on russell and all those that seem to find everything wrong with this guy season that he having
@dalezop7 жыл бұрын
Russel could drop 82pts 10ast 10reb and they still would consider James Harden for MVP
@gabrielmosqueda96487 жыл бұрын
Westbrook for sure should win MVP he's been scoring triple doubles this whole year no doubt he shouldn't win MVP and he's putting up points too give the man what he deserves!👍🏼
@tyreesetoomer137 жыл бұрын
James harden has had 2 50 point triple double this season and was 4 points off 57 there making it a big deal for no reason
@craigbloggs68727 жыл бұрын
This is Westbrook's second 50+ post triple double as well.
@tyreesetoomer137 жыл бұрын
Craig Bloggs exactly why are they making a big deal like he's the only one that's done it
@craigbloggs68727 жыл бұрын
Because Westbrook got more points, I would guess. When Harden did it, it got news, so why not give it news when Westbrook did it?
@Manny-gb3dk7 жыл бұрын
tyreese toomer 4real, now watch if Harden has a amazing game they're going to say he's the MVP
@trajanhammons70997 жыл бұрын
tyreese toomer he also had 17 and 15
@xXViiCTiiMiizzEDxX7 жыл бұрын
He literally said "you cant tell me theres not times where you just say im going to make this shot about a shot 8 feet outside the line" lmfao
@BlackKoshinomi7 жыл бұрын
Westbook is the MVP because he's the only good player on his team . Literary that's the only argument here
@RicoPointer7 жыл бұрын
So Giannis and Paul George is MVP as well by your logic
@alektoledo44367 жыл бұрын
What Paul George doesn't have the same record in the weaker east and antetoukompo also has Middleton and possible rookie of the year Brogden just stop
@ZombieZifiction7 жыл бұрын
and he's averaging more points and rebounds..
@AIexsantgo7 жыл бұрын
Black Koshinomi he's not only the best player on his team, he's the best player in the NBA right now. This season he's been better than every other player in the NBA NO ARGUMENT!
@harrygarris69217 жыл бұрын
He's not the only good player, he's just the only star. Oladipo, Kanter, and Adams are all good role players.
@azaznogalesaz7 жыл бұрын
Westbrook reminds me so much of Allen iverson
@gtrsaint86393 жыл бұрын
spot on
@phlyghstaff99657 жыл бұрын
Westbrook got the Kendrick Lamar verse, MVP. Easy. Clinched.
@adambarett86297 жыл бұрын
so skip says he shoots a ball from 8 feet beyond the 3 pt line and hes not a great 3 pt shooter but he willed the ball in? but when lebron hit the banker in washington after hitting 3 in a row before that it was luck, cant listen to skip
@broadwayblack57827 жыл бұрын
Westbrook is playing lights out his numbers are crazy but idk man I'm rocking with harden his game is more smooth it doesn't seem Forced in my opinion.
@Ph3nom19987 жыл бұрын
Bobby Brooks Do you ever wonder why ? Because he's Steve Nash on steroids on this system. Both Harden and Westbrook ain't winning no Championship so let's give it to the more valuable player
@pie4life20127 жыл бұрын
You don't have to force anything when 2 of your starters can score 20-25 points any given night and you have a bench player who can get you 30.
@King_Kunta7 жыл бұрын
pie4life2012 put james harden on the thunder and enes kanter is avg 21+ a game. Harden will bring out the best in these players, he has done it thousands of times.
@thebeast123337 жыл бұрын
YoungDrizzle215 Kanter would average that with Westbrook if he was a starter but he's not.
@kdentonjm7 жыл бұрын
Harden game is always forced, check out his games against top teams mainly the Warriors
@SMCandLS7 жыл бұрын
Broussard is always schooling Shannon about basketball love when he comes on the show
@f0xetris6487 жыл бұрын
i have never clicked faster on a video
@inunyjah7 жыл бұрын
N_oct ive seen this comment 17 times today
@SaimuKala7 жыл бұрын
Harden and Westbrook should be Co-MVPs. 29/8/11 around 55 wins 32/10/10 5th seed around 46-47 wins if you don't win the MVP while putting up these kind of stats it's a crime. Especially when Steve Nash won the MVP while putting up 19/4/10 and winning 54 games.
@pepsi11827 жыл бұрын
next James Harden will get a 60 pts triple double with a 40 point comeback in the las 5 minutes of the 4th quarter vs the Trail Blazers.
@MegaExci7 жыл бұрын
Winning over the 14th place of the east in OT is the new way to clinch the MVP.
@thomassowell33247 жыл бұрын
My problem with Chris Broussard saying that Westbrook is fine to neglect to contest his opponents shots 'because when he gets a tripe double they're 31-7' is this... Westbrook isn't just doing this in games where he has recorded a triple double. He is doing this in all games. Perhaps they'd have a better record if his rebound numbers were down but he played some perimeter defence. I totally get the fast break argument of having the ball in Westbrook's hands as quickly as possible, but how many points per game does that account for? It's a broken strategy because they're giving up as many as they are getting at the other end. A triple double is impressive because it's a statline that shows a remarkable level of overall ability. However, that statline is skewed because his rebound numbers aren't a reflection of his rebounding ability. They're a reflection of how effective OKC are at padding his rebounding stats. For balance, Harden's assist numbers are also skewed purely based on the fact that he gets an awful lot of assists from ridiculously basic passed to excellent 3-pointer shooters. Every player in the NBA can make those passes, but Houston shoot such volume from downtown with very good shooters. 11+ assists a game isn't necessarily a reflection of creative he is. Getting back to Westbrook, I also think his statistics are a lot to do with him not just being the number 1 option on the team, but more to do with the fact that he is the only option on the team. It's professional basketball and every player at NBA Level is top tier. Take Westbrook out of OKC and Oladipo probably becomes a 23/24ppg player. Even without Westbrook, they're going to still score 80-100 points most nights - somebody has to score the points. Look at how Saric has blown up since Joel Embiid has been out. Look at Love when he was in Minnesota. It's the nature of the game. Westbrook is taking a ridiculous amount of shots. He should be scoring a riduculous amount of points. That said, the consistency of his performances have to be commended and this isn't a knock on him. He's clearly had a great year. I'm just presenting the other side of the argument because his biggest fans seem to think that anybody with an alternative opinion on him is 'hating'. It's clearly a toss up between him and Harden for MVP. I go with Harden because i think he makes his team mates better and i think his way of playing is contributing to how well Houston have been playing, whereas i sometimes think Wesbrook's style might be counter productive to the overall capability of OKC as a team. He's still been great but i think we are a generation of stat obsessed fans and the Triple Double fixation is incorrectly giving him the edge. If Harden averaged 2 more rebounds but 1.4 less assists per game, he'd be a shoe in for MVP even though it would probably lead to his team being worse off - the 2 rebounds would probably be uncontested but the 1.4 assists could account of the team scoring 4-5 points per game less. And that's where the Westbrook argument falls down for me. He's the MVP of the stat chasing generation. He's not the MVP of the league.
@lawrencemerriman87687 жыл бұрын
Jonny Harrison That argument is dead to me because usually on a basketball team the center or PF will grab the board and pass to the PG (Westbrook) who should be near the 3 point line from playing perimeter D. if you wanna make the argument Russel runs faster than a passed ball i think you need to re-evaluate your stance.
@thomassowell33247 жыл бұрын
Lawrence Merriman I'm on the same side of the argument as you. I think it would be better for him to run in transition and have Adams or Kanter grab the board and pass to Russ while he's on the move (maybe neither are reliable enough when it comes to quickly getting the ball to Russ) I was simply saying I understand the logic in doing what they do but I already stated that it's flawed, and even if you take the speed element out of the equation, I still don't think they'd rack up more points on the transition than they give up by Russ giving PG's near enough open jumpers. I just can't believe people are impressed by this tactic. People are valuing some padded uncontested rebound stats over playing actual defence (iirc, 8 of his rebounds pg are uncontested). He's basically playing real life basketball in the same way I play MyCareer mode on 2K.
@siji37502 жыл бұрын
what is hilarious is they're saying the same negative things chris brousard said others were saying about russ, today
@TheHknight997 жыл бұрын
ESPN Preseason NBA Rank (5.) Russell Westbrook (8.) James Harden (36.) Steven Adams (48.) Victor Oladipo (80.) Enes Kanter (86.) Eric Gordon (89.) Ryan Anderson (92.) Clint Capela Nobody was saying Harden has a better team at the beginning of the season. People were thinking the Rockets weren't going to even make the playoffs and OKC was going to be the 4th or 5th seed. Westbrook might be putting up these incredible numbers, but he's doing it at the cost of his team's success and his teammates' success. It looks like Harden has more help, but in reality his play makes his teammates better whereas Westbrook has unequivocally made his teammates worse. What's better, taking a bunch of average teammates and making them great? or taking a bunch of ok teammates and making them above average (at best)? #HardenMVP #Hockeyassists
@EmperorBeastKaido7 жыл бұрын
TheHknight99 what system is harden running? What system is WB running? Like they said it was the same system that was ran in Phoenix that made Nash a 2 time MVP.... WB on the other hand doesn't have that kind of system and especially that kind of 3 point shooting around him.... people forget that now in this league you NEED 3 point shooting, it is a must have. But OKC doesn't have any perimeter scorers that Russ can kick the ball to, therefore harden has more help than WB does....
@brandenbenton93227 жыл бұрын
0ne0fN0ne you make a good point but it's not like harden is having a Nash year hee literally 2 rebounds from his own triple double average himself and everyone thought even with the lose of KD the thunder would make the playoffs the rockets were projected to be 11th and their the 3rd best team in the league thanks to harden's production
@atlien19887 жыл бұрын
TheHknight99 The Rockets have two guys that come off the bench that can drop 30pts at any given moment. They also have arguably the best 3pt shooters sans the Golden State Warriors. And that ESPN ranking means what exactly? That's only ESPN and it doesn't even account for the rest of the media that covers sports (although they are the biggest factors). Besides, it's not like the rockets' players (old and new) never shown the ability to play this good. Last season was a byproduct of turmoil from the coaching and locker room. The Rockets were not that bad; are we forgetting that majority of this roster was on the team that finished 2nd in the West 2yrs ago? Did that not happen? The point about the players thriving in D'Antoni's system is a very very valid one. It's extremely beneficial to guys that can shoot and space the floor. It is also better suited for a player as good as Harden. He's not the passer that Steve Nash was (look at his turnovers), but if you can pass the ball, you'll look great (not that he was never great before this system). It actually plays more to his strengths and give him more room to operate. Even if we took a player like Kobe (prime) and plugged him into this system, he'd easily average 8-9 assists. Kobe once averaged a career high of 6.9 assists in the triangle offense where the objective of the offense is to keep the ball free flowing or favors passes from the post (although the triangle can operate from any space on the court).
@kingamos12997 жыл бұрын
Branden Benton harden would have to get more than 200 rebounds to average 10 res
@brandenbenton93227 жыл бұрын
Tierre Jevon alright answer this question for me... when has the NBA ever have the MVP to player who's team probably won't win 50 games and probably will get eliminated in the first round depending on match up... if the thunder were in the 4 spot I wouldn't be making a case for James but he's taken this team which isn't much better then the thunder and put them in the 3rd seed in the hardest conference in the NBA
@williammariah26307 жыл бұрын
Russell is the Goat wait till he start getting rings he wont stop. The Jordan Effect
@bigbucks99407 жыл бұрын
We all know he's not getting it because of where he is. he should get it but harden does to.
@thehighlightmonster10577 жыл бұрын
Where is he at?? Hes not barely in the 8th seed hes winning enough to get Mvp fax
@pie4life20127 жыл бұрын
Well said, I've hated all year how people say he's not winning. He hasn't been under .500 all season. That is winning
@Gboog2167 жыл бұрын
pie4life2012 That's The Same Thing That Happen To Harden. When Curry Won His First MVP. Harden Was Having The Better Year But The Warriors Were 1st And Harden's Team Was Second And Harden's Team Was Garbage
@thehighlightmonster10577 жыл бұрын
Harden had dwight so i wouldnt call them garbage
@bigbucks99407 жыл бұрын
SPEAK IT !!! FACTS
@followerofchrist40607 жыл бұрын
i think its downplayed because westbrook has a triple double nightly and i guess the haters might not actual be hating they may be bored
@Whoknows2857 жыл бұрын
I rather have 55 wins then 2 rebounds more and 2 points
@qwerty-rh6ht7 жыл бұрын
I would rather have 16 wins in playoffs than 55 wins in regular season
@PMKru7 жыл бұрын
Ruslan Valer FAXXX! Preach They Dont Think
@jacksonmiller17807 жыл бұрын
i wouldnt, in 15 years will you remember russell's triple-double season, or james harden winning 55 games?
@baronbolanos66787 жыл бұрын
with Westbrook's team that's impossible the fact that he's even in the playoffs bouta take the 5th seed blows my mind
@Manny-gb3dk7 жыл бұрын
Ferdinand Herrmann I rather have Championships then averaging a triple double, Brossard be naming all these like Jordan,Magic,Lebron etc but all of them have championships.
@josephskinner15167 жыл бұрын
He got it. Making better decisions in the fourth, and pacing himself better. His play is resulting in wins.
@Danielcooper337 жыл бұрын
Sure give Russel Westbrook the MVP. Its getting boring when all the talk is surrounded by triple doubles. But its not gonna mean anything when they get knocked out in the first round. Just gonna be a big waste.
@Seif97ify7 жыл бұрын
They need to change the name of the MVP to ''triple double award''.
@xxplosive79457 жыл бұрын
Lonzo is going to average more triple doubles than Westbrook and Robinson combined!- Lavar Ball
@harrygarris69217 жыл бұрын
I know Harden is a better team player and contributing to more wins, but what Russ is doing is historic and what Harden is doing is great but it's not historic. We need to get over our collective bias for players on better teams and just award the MVP to something historic this season. No one's going to remember or care about Harden's 2017 season in 10 years. But Russ's triple double season will be remembered and talked about probably for hundreds of years.
@RicoPointer7 жыл бұрын
Didn't harden already to this twice as well. This doesn't change anything, Harden still MVP. Winning is better than stats when it comes to being The Most Valuable.
@thagod45197 жыл бұрын
Serious question, do you think okc would have still clinched playoffs without westbrook?
@inunyjah7 жыл бұрын
RJPointer you hate like harden won 20 more games. and harden has sweet lou and eric gordon
@RicoPointer7 жыл бұрын
Houston doesn't make the playoffs without Harden either, plus having better players doesn't mean you shouldn't win MVP. Bron, Jordan, Magic, Bird all had some of the best teams of their era but still won several MVPs.
@lordfinesse41737 жыл бұрын
Most overrated argument ever..winning should have maybe a little bit of a deciding factor but MVP is an INDIVIDUAL award. Lets stop acting like Houston doesn't have a better roster. I'm not saying they have a GS Warriors roster but its damn sure better than the Thunder. Secondly they hit it on the head, a lot of what is happening is Dantoni. Harden is PERFECT for that run and gun, no defense kind of system Dantoni loves to run...
@o_shok7 жыл бұрын
RJPointer well sorry bruv Westbrook is mvp
@Nousername07 жыл бұрын
I like this show better than first take now. it's more calm, and everyone let's eachother say their point
@OGGOAT237 жыл бұрын
Jeez comebacks against Mavs and Magic. Foh
@damian22497 жыл бұрын
Artur Vasiljev Didn't the Warriors made a comeback against the 76ers lmao
@OGGOAT237 жыл бұрын
Joseph Lloyd yeah the 0-4 record shows
@TheRealH2dut7 жыл бұрын
Artur Vasiljev yeah because curry is the only player on the warriors.
@Thechocolate1307 жыл бұрын
Jeez comebacks vs the 76ers at home. FOH
@hvllacozy26347 жыл бұрын
Says the person who's team gave up a 3-1 comeback in the Funals with homecourt advantage
@apostolostvable7 жыл бұрын
Westbrook by far. And that shows how great this year's race has been
@cetinHo877 жыл бұрын
In every discussion the OKC team gets talked down to the ground with having no talent. Whats wrong with you? Dirk Nowitzki is playing 19 seasons and has barely had the talent OKC has now. Besides 2 seasons with Tyson Chandler, he never played with a center of the potential of Adams for example. Give Dirk the Team Russ has and he would have made them a WCF candidate.
@inunyjah7 жыл бұрын
cetinHo87 dirk had steve nash
@cetinHo877 жыл бұрын
Russ had Ibaka, Durant, Harden, Jackson and numerous serviceable role players. Whats your point?
@atlien19887 жыл бұрын
nah, but Dirk has played with Steve Nash, Antwan Jamison, Michael Finley, Tim Hardaway, Antoine Walker, and Nick Van Exel in the same damn season. Dirk has always had talented players around him. Even when they won the chip he had 6th man Jason Terry, Caron Butler, Jason Kidd (one of the greatest facilitators of all time, arguably the best rebounding guard in league history, and a great defender even at 38...check the 2011 playoff run), and Shawn Marion. Dirk has always had talent and he don't need to pair a top center next to a 7ft Superstar PF. If he would have gotten better at interior defense and rebounding, the Mavericks would have been even better and had more opportunities at the title Instead of the 2 they got.
@Kirbystare19925 жыл бұрын
cetinHo87 terrible argument dirk had a 67 win team in 07 and lost in the first round
@dylanmcdoogal92327 жыл бұрын
Brian Scalabrine would be the MVP If he was still playing. Dude would average a triple triple in the first quarter.
@Commandosoap7777 жыл бұрын
Why do we give Westbrook so much handy cap ? Like Shannon said if he gets 4th seed he should get MVP which makes sense but now we're bring it down to 5th?? Smh if triple doubles didn't exist yall would not even consider this
@bomberbcm7 жыл бұрын
To be fair Shannon early on said that he'd give Westbrook his vote if the Thunder got the 5th seed. Personally my magic number is 50 wins. Anything less than that and I think Harden deserves it. OKC could pull it off they just need to be more consistent and stop playing down to their opponents. They should have blown out the Magic.
@LuckyLefty927 жыл бұрын
Commandosoap777 but, they do...
@melvinschannel1977 жыл бұрын
bomberbcm Harden deserves it regardless because his stats come within the flow of the offense. Westbrook takes over the team & doesn't allow anybody else to shine. He's literally getting triple doubles to elevate his own status.
@bomberbcm7 жыл бұрын
Melvin's Channel Okay but why should it matter how he gets his stats if his team wins. For OKC Westbrook is the offense bc most of his teammates are defense minded big men. He has to carry the offense. I just feel with the weight he has too carry on his team he needs to do more to win than Harden. So if he can bring them to the found seed a spot right under Harden that is enough for him to be MVP.
@momenkhan88387 жыл бұрын
shannon said 5th for mvp 4th for unanimous
@Nike-yt5ij7 жыл бұрын
I don't know why people in the comments are hating on Westbrook. Just enjoy this while it lasts ,because who knows when we'll see a triple double season again.
@Whoknows2857 жыл бұрын
If Westbrook could maximize his mates not only himself they would easily be the 3th seed
@melvinschannel1977 жыл бұрын
Ferdinand Herrmann These are facts bro. He's having a very good, but selfish year. Techinically his supporting cast is better than the one that he had last season. Russ & Donovan aren't using the role players correctly.
@Guardsgotgame117 жыл бұрын
you just said 3th...opinion no longer matters
@TheRealH2dut7 жыл бұрын
Ferdinand Herrmann they are maximized. I'm amazed that he even averages double digit assists.
@brysoncoles9127 жыл бұрын
RapCityMusic Lmao!!!!
@ericgarcia36407 жыл бұрын
It's hard to maximize trash
@nickwilliams71827 жыл бұрын
Used to think harden but after last night Brodie clinched it💪🏽
@cookiestastegood1237 жыл бұрын
james harden is mvp
@Braannxo7 жыл бұрын
Westbrook*
@mtthew1237 жыл бұрын
If your going to argue how important winning games in for the MVP than shouldn't it go Steph, Kawhi,Harden than Russ?
@OGMillyMillz7 жыл бұрын
The Thunders suck.
@blackcobra19817 жыл бұрын
OGMillyMillz Thunder. They don't have a (s)
@mtthew1237 жыл бұрын
OGMillyMillz and Russ is carrying them
@hoyells43377 жыл бұрын
OGMillMillz Thunder is singular NOT plural in this case! Is that a Yankees hat? Go Knicks/Nets ..... straight to the lottery.
@thehighlightmonster10577 жыл бұрын
You suck
@ovocasey7 жыл бұрын
OGMillyMillz I was gonna disagree with you and write an argument but then I saw that you spelt it as "Thunders". I don't feel like wasting my time lmao
@trulykustom7 жыл бұрын
Damn right he did
@colangelog097 жыл бұрын
In regards to what type of assist is harder, a layup or dunk vs a 3-pointer or jump shot, I agree that a layup is harder cuz its usually in traffic. But to play devil's advocate, 3 pointers are made at a much lower percentage, so how does that work?
@plpa82507 жыл бұрын
Westbrook numbers are godly. But leaving your guy uncontested to get more chances at rebounds feels like it's up there with points shaving.
@curtismynameheard46287 жыл бұрын
James harden deserve he much more officiant than he was 2yrs ago but Russ he taking over his team he is really going for it
@watz09517 жыл бұрын
Its a slight debate at the moment but If OKC gets 50 wins regardless of playoff seeding Russ deserves the MVP hands down