RX 7900 XTX Event Recap, EVGA RTX 4090, 12VHPWR Updates, Q&A | The Full Nerd ep. 237

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Join The Full Nerd gang as they talk about the latest PC hardware topics. In this episode the gang covers all of the details surrounding the RDNA 3 launch event last week, EVGA's prototype RTX 4090, the updates to the 12VHPWR situation, and of course we answer your questions live!
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00:00 - Pre-show
07:21 - Intro
13:16 - RDNA 3 Event Recap
58:09 - EVGA RTX 4090
1:12:02 - 12VHPWR Updates
1:46:31 - Q&A

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@TecLabbyRbuass
@TecLabbyRbuass Жыл бұрын
Thanks for mentioning our work. If you need anything, let us know. Best wishes
@dev9619
@dev9619 Жыл бұрын
Brad’s mic is so bad lol
@8bitbunny_VR
@8bitbunny_VR Жыл бұрын
it is yeah.
@HCGonzalezJr87
@HCGonzalezJr87 Жыл бұрын
This episode the popping and sibilance was pretty bad. Headset could be going bad.
@dev9619
@dev9619 Жыл бұрын
@@HCGonzalezJr87 true! I’m not one to complain about stuff like that usually but this episode was a rough listen with that.
@user9267
@user9267 Жыл бұрын
@@HCGonzalezJr87 It's compression from the stream
@danbeaman1115
@danbeaman1115 Жыл бұрын
Please sort out brads mic.. almost unwatchable
@nexusyang4832
@nexusyang4832 Жыл бұрын
In Japan, at many of the US bases there is a sign at the front gate in English that tells everyone the number of days since the last DUI incident. The longest I ever saw was 37 days until it reset as it is usually in the single digits. Wild.
@mxthunder2
@mxthunder2 Жыл бұрын
I have 3 nvidia engineering samples from nvidia. 2 very early gtx280's and a gtx260 with all 240 SPs unlocked, and a display port on it.
@WovenSilver902
@WovenSilver902 Жыл бұрын
I'm using the native adapter I got with my Gigabyte OC until my cable mod cables come. No issues, I've OC/Benchmarked, played games, and haven't had any issues yet. I seen a post on reddit of a guys cable melting. He had previously taken a picture of it plugged in, and it seemed like his cable was seated with the pins still sticking out.
@FakeGordonMahUng
@FakeGordonMahUng Жыл бұрын
I'm really learning toward SOME connectors being out of spec and loose enough they wiggle out. I have only seen two 4090's now in person and the connectors are definitely very easy to wiggle lose even if fully seated or you think it is fully seated. My guess is people don't look at the connectors in the case once installed or reexamine once the case door is pushed on causing it to tilt or wiggle out just enough to cause the issues. Just pushing on the the two 12VHPWR connectors, one adapter, one native, I definitely think poor insertion is going to probably be at fault here. That's not blaming the end-user, as the connector probably should have been designed to anticipate previous build expectations. And if it changed that radically, further education should probably have been laid out.
@Goldenhordemilo
@Goldenhordemilo Жыл бұрын
Yoda be like" Part of the cool crowd you are.
@GameCookerUSRocks
@GameCookerUSRocks Жыл бұрын
Brad brought up a good point when he was talking about the power usage when gaming. I thought he was going to go further with the conversation. But the power usage would change drastically depending on what kind of games you play. With my 3090 I can be drawing 130 Watts on one game and well over 300 on another and depending on my graphic settings. It would be interesting if you guys did like a six-game test seeing what the difference is between different kinds of games. There was a lot of talk about the power usage of the RTX 3090 but after Nvidia released the drivers to better manage the wattage the GPU sometimes hardly uses any power compared to its max. If there is any bad grammar here it's because I'm using voice to text.
@FakeGordonMahUng
@FakeGordonMahUng Жыл бұрын
Resolution and game settings too. Generally, lower graphics quality and higher FPS can greatly spike power. Not a bad idea to revisit again though.
@TheGetFreshFlow
@TheGetFreshFlow Жыл бұрын
That headset mic is unlistenable. Please send him out an upgrade.
@afre3398
@afre3398 Жыл бұрын
I my country a 4090GPU cost 2.82 times more than a Intel 13900 CPU. You can actually build a pretty nice complete PC for for the cost of a single 4090
@nathanlowery1141
@nathanlowery1141 Жыл бұрын
Not just in your country bud. That is worldwide
@danbeaman1115
@danbeaman1115 Жыл бұрын
Please sort out brads mic guys.. cracking is unbearable
@eberger02
@eberger02 Жыл бұрын
Wholesale gas prices and electricity prices have been falling for weeks in Europe. At least in U.K. we are paying loads extra because the companies want to make lots of profit. I don’t know what the situation is like elsewhere in Europe but here we are suffering from greedy companies. Edited to add; peak wholesale price was back in the late-middle of September: around 23rd I think.
@marksironi3324
@marksironi3324 Жыл бұрын
Sorry Gordon, the centered start menu is the best feature of Win11. Try running a 32:9 display, start menu on the left is awful. I ran a tool to center the start button on win 10.
@FakeGordonMahUng
@FakeGordonMahUng Жыл бұрын
You're the third wide-screen person I've heard say that so that is fair but the vast majority of us don't run wide screen.
@xnitropunkx
@xnitropunkx Жыл бұрын
Dude brads mic is god awful how has he not upgraded that thing
@chrisbullock6477
@chrisbullock6477 Жыл бұрын
I will be upgrading my 6900XT because I'm 43, work and have the money and not persuaded by the youtube tech people. I will be going with the 7900XTX, possibly something from SAPPHIRE or a Gigabyte WaterCooled AIO version.
@TheDankelsall
@TheDankelsall Жыл бұрын
Most of this comment regarding disposable income is irrelevant, it's either a flex or convincing yourself, both of which should be kept to oneself. Enjoy the performance bump 👍
@GameCookerUSRocks
@GameCookerUSRocks Жыл бұрын
Just say you are a AMD fan boy. :)
@HCGonzalezJr87
@HCGonzalezJr87 Жыл бұрын
3090s from AIBs didn’t use the 12vhpwr connector, only the FE cards. Now, for the 4090 AIBs have to use it so that could explain why it wasn’t seen before.
@swdw973
@swdw973 Жыл бұрын
And the interesting thing, if I've read correctly, is that none of these connector issues have shown up on 4090 FE editions so far. Hmmmm.
@FakeGordonMahUng
@FakeGordonMahUng Жыл бұрын
The Nvidia FE cards didn't use 12VHWPR but the original 12-pin Nvidia connector that was a pre-cursor.
@divusharma
@divusharma Жыл бұрын
Wow 12VHPWR is now getting dedicated slot on full nerd after finding place on 4090
@vensroofcat6415
@vensroofcat6415 Жыл бұрын
The problem with AiB pushing the 7900XTX boundaries is within the power limits and connectors. And then the impact on price/performance. The "price" to get there may be too high. 3 connectors or picking the 12VHPWR crap Nvidia already got burned with? There is just no easy way to slip past that 150+150+75W limit.
@misterd4663
@misterd4663 Жыл бұрын
When I plugged my 12vhpwr in, I thought it was in, but it was not. when I checked again it was loose. The pin is so small and light it can easily fool you. I pushed it in and got it to set. When it clicked in correctly, it was really tight, no movement whatsoever. I could have easily missed this and ran this pc with that loose connection.
@FakeGordonMahUng
@FakeGordonMahUng Жыл бұрын
Yeah, I do lean toward this theory after 1) TecLab's tests, 2) Jon Gerow's tests 3) finally playing with a couple of 12VHPWR connectors. I do think can be largely solved with education in the end it looks like which is the good news. The bad news is maybe some of the male/female plugs may be out of spec with each other to make it far easier to not firmly plug them in.
@Keivz
@Keivz Жыл бұрын
Subscribed.
@joemama5906
@joemama5906 Жыл бұрын
Good lord please use a de-esser on Brads mic.
@CalvinJary
@CalvinJary Жыл бұрын
The real scandal with the 4090s is the loud coil whine. I sent mine back because of it. Back to using my quiet 2080 Ti from EVGA
@gregdaweson4657
@gregdaweson4657 Жыл бұрын
Lol, should have sold it, or better yet, worn headphones!
@twinnie7762
@twinnie7762 Жыл бұрын
Nearly every card has some sort of coil-whine and gets louder the more FPS you make. Just limit your card to - say 120 FPS - and the coil-whine ist nearly gone. And as a nice side-effect you save some money on energy-consumption when the game is not that demanding.
@hub1986
@hub1986 Жыл бұрын
nice show m8s
@MommaMolly
@MommaMolly Жыл бұрын
I think the amd card if you look at the specs of the asus tuf 7900xtx they are working on a different business model than nvidia. They actually stated as much that they were the base line.
@vaudou_
@vaudou_ Жыл бұрын
I think there will be cards by Sapphire, XFX and Powercolor that will be very close to lower level 4090s if not better in a few games.
@HAFBeast91
@HAFBeast91 Жыл бұрын
I think AMDs marketing should be "Here at AMD Radeon graphics, we believe the only fire in your house this Christmas should be in the fireplace, not in your kids PC."
@zeitgeistx5239
@zeitgeistx5239 Жыл бұрын
Lol these guys didn’t read Igor’s Lab. Because he got it to melt. And Igor taking the connector apart it showed that there were more than 2 design for the connectors.
@swdw973
@swdw973 Жыл бұрын
What people aren't thinking about either, is that there is a LOT of overhead left in power consumption for making a 7950 xtx that would push the limits. With the financial situation the world is in, price per performance might be more important over the next couple of years. And considering the XTX should equal or better the 4080 at 83% of the MSRP price is significant. And since Nvidia AIB's boards are hitting the streets at OVER the factory MSRP, this may become more significant if the AMD AIB's stick to the MSRP.
@Shallowleaf
@Shallowleaf Жыл бұрын
For the love of all that is holy in this world, can somebody PLEASE buy Brad a new headset? It has sucked for months, and now, unfortunately, sounds even worse!
@foxdart
@foxdart Жыл бұрын
Yeah guys for real, especially with the channel disappearing fiasco.
@12463trf
@12463trf Жыл бұрын
As someone who is leaning towards getting the 7900xtx, I'm really curious to what the other makers will do with it. Unfortunately, the ONLY Radeon GPU brand I've seen where I live, is Speedster..... Which looks like a knockoff, and I struggle to google precise info on it. :/
@chrisbullock6477
@chrisbullock6477 Жыл бұрын
I'll be going with either a SAPPHIRE or Gigabyte Watercooled Version. Remember the numbers they showed are baseline reference card numbers, not the AIB Partner Cards with improved thermals, transistors and overclocked.
@12463trf
@12463trf Жыл бұрын
@@chrisbullock6477 see, I've Heard* of these variants, but the only brand I've ever seen available in my area has been the speedster brand :(
@jellowiggler
@jellowiggler Жыл бұрын
people comparing the GCD without the MCD die sizes added is false. the total die space for everything that comprises the 'gpu' needs to be compared to the monolithic die. 7900xt(x) 308mm2 + (6*37.5mm2) = 533mm2 it's cut up into different units and processes, so the yield and cost savings are potentially much better. GCD is 5nm, MCD are 6nm. 4090 608mm2 4nm the Radeon is smaller but not by that much, plus you have to add the 'fabric' interposer which has to be considered at some level because it's not just a simple slab of silicon. Production note: Got to get Brad mic'd up better, that head set mic isn't helping him out any.
@FakeGordonMahUng
@FakeGordonMahUng Жыл бұрын
I think the argument AMD would make is the 6nm are lower cost and easier to have more flexible designs. They would also argue that the 4nm isn't really 4nm and is basically the same as their 5nm. In the end, street pricing and performance is what matters.
@jellowiggler
@jellowiggler Жыл бұрын
@@FakeGordonMahUng Very true. 4nm is just a refinement of 5nm. 6nm is refinement of 7nm. All at TSMC I believe. You can't compare names of processes from one company to another. None of it has to do with the actual measurements of anything anymore anyways. I was just tired of hearing AMD is 300nm and nvidia is 600nm. That's just not true. You have to take whole chip when counting area of die used in the product. It's 533 vs 608. It's just AMD's 533 is easier to make due to yields on small area chips and the MCD built in older process. AMD has to further assemble the different dies into a package though. That can't be free. In the end it's product vs product as a whole, as shipped to the user. Melting adapters and all! What a crazy launch season this has been! We've only seen the very tip of the high-end here as well. The show has just begun!
@thesupremeginge
@thesupremeginge Жыл бұрын
Prometheus > Aliens. Also, in win 11 there is an option to align the taskbar to the left, which I don't recommend because living in the past is bad.
@angel102ify
@angel102ify Жыл бұрын
only if you aren't doing anything. If you have it aligned to the left, then all your current open windows are directly in front of you.
@agenericaccount3935
@agenericaccount3935 Жыл бұрын
Absolutely degenerate
@thesupremeginge
@thesupremeginge Жыл бұрын
Also, FYI,.. I have seen Prometheus, but I've never seen more than clips of any other Alien movies.
@nathanlowery1141
@nathanlowery1141 Жыл бұрын
@@thesupremeginge if you had you would understand the probably intentional hypocrisy of his statement.
@nathanlowery1141
@nathanlowery1141 Жыл бұрын
Well played sir.
@AvengingN00b
@AvengingN00b Жыл бұрын
My 3080 sucks up 400W during load, the 4090 only 50W more and it's twice as fast, that's pretty good efficiency if you ask me it's just the 4090 is so freaking fast
@chrisbullock6477
@chrisbullock6477 Жыл бұрын
How short minded people are and forget so quickly that with the 6000 Series AMD were the ones to give you plenty of memory at 16gigs and fast clocks out the gate, while Nvidia was still gimping cards even with the 3080 series and 3070 cards. Not sure why its still surprising that the 24 gigs and 20 gigs with newer cards!?? Doesn't sound like its coming from people who plan on buying the 7000 series anyway so...yeah.
@firefoxo
@firefoxo Жыл бұрын
I agree. NVidia is very sketchy with how they distribute memory on their GPU cards.
@nunyobiznez875
@nunyobiznez875 Жыл бұрын
2:13:41 The position of the start menu is absolutely worth getting upset about. There's no reason M$ can't just give users the choice. But that's one of the reasons I use Linux, where everything is customizable, and I can literally add 20 start menus if I want, and place them in every corner of the desktop, or delete them all, and have none. But looking back at Windows, it makes even less sense that users have no choice at all about the start menu. You're paying for it, to only get whatever choice is dished out to you by M$.
@halrichard1969
@halrichard1969 Жыл бұрын
So much talk about the Reference design. Clearly there is alot of headroom left in the 7900 series cards. If we see three 8-pin connectors and a 500watt capability who knows what kind of performance we will see from the 7900 XTX.
@sacamentobob
@sacamentobob Жыл бұрын
1:38:00 - bad advice. When people look to your show for guidance on tech issues, and there's an ongoing tech issue, and you guys say it's not really something that you'd personally not be worried about - it will make some people think it's ok to just run it until shit hits the fan. Fire risk is not worth it until it is fully resolved and such safety concerns should not be downplayed.
@tdizzle684
@tdizzle684 Жыл бұрын
I wonder if AMD kinda it’s trying to hook EVGA. Their said our 3rd parties have the freedom to make them better than our reference design one of EVGA issues with NVIDIA.
@mikemoore5270
@mikemoore5270 Жыл бұрын
Yes, the 6900 xt is an animal at 1080p
@rehanabbas3223
@rehanabbas3223 Жыл бұрын
MAKE SURE YOU DOWNLOAD 3 APPS GUYS
@lexsanderz
@lexsanderz Жыл бұрын
Can you please say Radeon Deoxyribonucleic Acid 3 every time about AMD?
@swdw973
@swdw973 Жыл бұрын
If a 1mm difference is causing the problem, then I disagree with Gordon. It has NOT been properly designed. A little bit of slop should be part of the design. On the other side, people are checking the cables. I'd like to see testing with in IR camera on the board, socket and plug. The IR info would give you a better clue, but have not heard of anyone doing so. Anyone bothered to check for undersized pins on the boards? OOT size in pin manufacturing would also cause a high resistance connection.
@FakeGordonMahUng
@FakeGordonMahUng Жыл бұрын
Yes, but here's the thing: Is the slop with the connector or are some of the connectors on the cards and adapters slightly out of spec? Are we seeing a problem where some are pretty close but don't lock in, and some are right on and lock on tight? We simply don't know yet. As I said previously, this could very well be like USB-A to USB-C cables that was sorted out. Or it could be connectors are out of spec, or it could simply be a combination of bad adapters, out of spec cables, moving to a new connector after more than what, 19 years? We just don't know. I got to finally play with a couple of cards and connectors and there is a lot more slop, a lot less retention than what I'd like and am used to. If you want to see the connector in action under heavy loads with IR, Teclabs did that in its video. kzfaq.info/get/bejne/ntF-a5Sbt8fZoHU.html You can watch him abuse the cable and run 1500+ watts through it. I still more questions than answers but this I'm kinda thinking this might be solved with: vendors building these connectors to tighter tolerances and user education. It's even possible the consumers firmly connects the cable, there are no gaps, and then sandwiches that big-ass 40-series into a case which induces a gap.
@swdw973
@swdw973 Жыл бұрын
@@FakeGordonMahUng Not disagreeing with anything you said. However, I should have defined what I meant by slop. Which is a positive engagement and connection even when things aren't perfectly aligned. I work on instrumentation and control equipment in various industries. Connectors are designed this way. They manage to maintain good contact at angels and distance you wouldn't expect And when it gets too extreme, they simply lose contact. This is engineered into them. Combination of male to female pin / plug sizes, length of those parts, how the connectors fit to each other, etc. At a pharmaceutical company, I got called in because a machine quit running. We found a 40 pin connector that had never been plugged in all the way at the factory. Vibrations made it back out far enough to lose contact finally. There w3as enough current that a high resistance connection would have damaged it, but there was no sign of excessive heat at all. We reseated it, found other connectors that weren't in all the way and seated them too. This is just one example of a number of them I've run into over the years. So slop doesn't mean a loose fitting connector, but one built with a lot of tolerance for when they aren't seated ideally, and does not damage the connector or equipment.
@HAFBeast91
@HAFBeast91 Жыл бұрын
Gordon, you say AMD night have some nice advantages against Nvidia. Sure, but advantages don't mean anything if they can't get enough volume.
@vaudou_
@vaudou_ Жыл бұрын
With the chiplets they might have the volume this time. At least on the high end. Their yields are exceedingly good. That in turn might make for less low end parts but we'll see.
@HAFBeast91
@HAFBeast91 Жыл бұрын
@@vaudou_ Part of AMD's problem with 6000 series was production. Nvidia has the advantage of making just graphics cards and data center products, but AMD has to spread their allocation amongst their CPUs, data center processors, graphics cards, and being the provider of the hot PS5 and Xbox Series. Maybe now that demand is slowing on CPUs and GPUs, AMD will have enough supply to allow people to purchase the better value products they have on offer.
@skywalker1991
@skywalker1991 Жыл бұрын
consoles were the problem for Amd last gen , Amd allocated over 120k wafer to console gpus and only 10k wafers towards rx6000 series gpus , during pandemic TSMC was maxed out , amd couldnt get enough wafers , amd also had data center demand . maybe this time xbox and sony is staying on tsmc 7nm and now amd has 5nm for zen4 and rdna3 , this will help with supply issues.
@tanmaypanadi1414
@tanmaypanadi1414 Жыл бұрын
@@skywalker1991 the PS5 got a fab upgrade to 6 ish nanometre node, that enables them to shave some weight from the copper portion of the cooler too.
@darudesandstorm7002
@darudesandstorm7002 Жыл бұрын
@@skywalker1991 i wouldnt be surprised if amd moves the console tech to a better node soon for the mid-life console shrink that always happens. iirc, ps5 has already started migrating.
@sjneow
@sjneow Жыл бұрын
Gordon is trying to damage control for Nvidia so hard
@FakeGordonMahUng
@FakeGordonMahUng Жыл бұрын
That can only be the answer. There's definitely no discussion of facts here.
@sparkymark75
@sparkymark75 Жыл бұрын
@@FakeGordonMahUng 🤣
@sjneow
@sjneow Жыл бұрын
@@FakeGordonMahUng yup, a lot of "feelings" thrown in there
@FakeGordonMahUng
@FakeGordonMahUng Жыл бұрын
@@sjneow Oh, I thought you meant 12VHPWR. If you mean EVGA working out, eating right, running every day and lifting weights and then going by the cafe the ex visits everyday, yeah, I gotta say it has that kinda feeling.
@yamilabugattas3895
@yamilabugattas3895 Жыл бұрын
Seriously Gordon, a laptop is not a replacement for a proper PC. I'd rather use a PC that consumes less power (either through more efficient parts or underclocking/undervolting) than a laptop. There are ways to consume a more reasonable amount of power, you had a video a few weeks ago about eco mode and with just a small reduction in performance you could get huge savings in energy consumption.
@FakeGordonMahUng
@FakeGordonMahUng Жыл бұрын
If you want to want power efficiency though, it can't be touched. 180 to 280 watts total power vs desktop, monitor can't be matched. Also I don't care about power efficiency so I use a desktop.
@yamilabugattas3895
@yamilabugattas3895 Жыл бұрын
@@FakeGordonMahUng Well, if power is the only concern of course, but a desktop has a lot of advantages compared to a laptop, especially if you are working with it. But with the electricity bills rising as they are, if you can make moderate savings on power while losing a barely perceptible amount of performance, that makes a lot of sense. Not to mention the heat, which is about to become a problem in a few weeks (here in the southern hemisphere at least).
@FakeGordonMahUng
@FakeGordonMahUng Жыл бұрын
@@yamilabugattas3895 I just don't believe you can touch the total power consumption of a laptop with any desktop and the savings are significant and some may really want to consider that option. However, I have and continue to argue that total service life of a desktop and its infinite upgrade cycles also means the resources to build the desktop and its components should also be factored in too. It's just that no one looks at the overall foot print, just the immediate wattslage foot print which is short sighted.
@HCGonzalezJr87
@HCGonzalezJr87 Жыл бұрын
Less than 1% of users on Steam hardware survey have a 3090 or 3090ti. So no, not everyone is using these things despite them selling well.
@HAFBeast91
@HAFBeast91 Жыл бұрын
But there are more 3090 than ANY Radeon 6000 series. That is just mind blowing
@HCGonzalezJr87
@HCGonzalezJr87 Жыл бұрын
Are you exaggerating? The RX 6000 series, including all variants, account for over 1.25% of the Steam Hardware Survey for October.
@agenericaccount3935
@agenericaccount3935 Жыл бұрын
Idk. The hardware survey is a general notion but not a population sized metric. It relies on a small sample and statistically extrapolates. Call me when it is 1:1 k.
@GPStuntMan
@GPStuntMan Жыл бұрын
The problem is you don't know how to enjoy Vegas.
@GameCookerUSRocks
@GameCookerUSRocks Жыл бұрын
Saying that end users may not be connecting their power cords into the 4090 correctly is not condemning the end user. And it doesn't take away responsibility from the cable manufacturer if there were changes made that weren't authorized. I don't think Nvidia is at fault here though since they're following spec. An industry spec. Why does everyone feel guilty about saying user error? That still could mean that the cords are not easy for everybody to plug in correctly. Personally, I think that this is just a smear attempt on Nvidia. Yes that sounds like a conspiracy theory but the way the media keeps going on and on and on about this is what it seems to me. The media these days is useless half the time because all they do is keep beating a dead horse that few people care about. And if something's corrected they don't usually correct it in their old coverage which is not good for the consumer. I got my eye on a 4090, 4080, or 4080 Ti when they come out. Until AMD actually matches Nvidia in all features, drivers and do them well I'm not going to consider AMD.
@FakeGordonMahUng
@FakeGordonMahUng Жыл бұрын
I think because we need to still wait for the official answer and then go from there. I'm really leaning toward: new connector unfamiliarity, some slightly out of spec connectors possibly making an unfamiliar plug situation worse, plus large cards, and also a plug that isn't as robust as previous designs making it simply easier to pop out of the connector when closing the case door on it. The problem is no one is going to accept a nuanced reason with multiple issues to blame. Instead they will only accept the narrative they have decided on with no ability to change minds as new data appears. To be honest, I do not think fear of the 12VHPWR connector would scare me off at this point. Just make sure you have it fully seated and you don't move it out of place while closing the side panel.
@RyanApplegatePhD
@RyanApplegatePhD Жыл бұрын
The EVGA thing seems somewhat clear to me - seems like the last shot of "Hey consumers, look how much you've lost because Nvidia sucks."
@TerraWare
@TerraWare Жыл бұрын
Scott may have said they're going to kick Nvidia's effing ass but it seems he keep fumbling the ball. That's too bad.
@ajslim79
@ajslim79 Жыл бұрын
PLEASE buy Brad a decent microphone - painful to listen to also putting the headset mic soooo close to the mouth DOES NOT HELP at all
@user-xx8tn4kx4l
@user-xx8tn4kx4l Жыл бұрын
he's listenin wu-tang, no one can help him anymore😅
@GameCookerUSRocks
@GameCookerUSRocks Жыл бұрын
This is a copy and paste of a comment I made on another channel: You said mostly what I knew already but still a nice chat. 👍 That being said, if I was to spend $1000 dollars for a basic car I would just get the one that has all the bells and whistles for $200 more. 16gb versus 24 gb is not a deal breaker. 2.1? That is for rich boys and girls right now. Or none since there are hardly any displays that can take advantage of it. And it's annoying that AMD really didn't say that much that was worth anything to the average person. NDA? Why? It's not like Nvidia can go out and manufacture cards overnight to match. Nvidia already has their lineup anyway. Nvidia will always be ready to match AMD on any price point. That has always been their strength. Also I personally don't like how AMD takes shots at Intel or Nvidia. I want to hear a professional presentation like Jensen gives. I don't really recall him taking shots at the competition. That is one reason why I've shied away from AMD in the recent years. I was going to consider AMD if they could match Nvidia apples to apples but we're still at apples and oranges. I like Ray Tracing. I like how my GPU works fine with my streaming software. I like how my video editing goes. Etc.,etc. It's one thing to bring good rasterisation performance but when you've been using a card that's been reliable for years you stick with that brand. And the media across all spectrums doesn't really highlight the negatives of AMD products. They might say something at the very beginning but that's all you hear. But with Nvidia they just go week after week after week and it gets annoying. Like how people are still talking about the burning cables when there really isn't that many people that have complained about their cables melting. How many have complained? Was it significant enough to make such an uproar? It's nice to know that something happened but it doesn't seem like something that most people are going to even have a problem with. I could go on but people steal my thoughts all the time.
@FakeGordonMahUng
@FakeGordonMahUng Жыл бұрын
I disagree on thr 12VHPWR issue. It is serious and should be examined and discussed. Only by discussing it openly can we determine how serious and wide spread it is and whether it is a show stopper. At this point, I am leaning toward it not being a show stopper but we do need to see more information still and find out what can be done to prevent it for consumers.
@GameCookerUSRocks
@GameCookerUSRocks Жыл бұрын
@@FakeGordonMahUng Fair point.
@Roman00744
@Roman00744 Жыл бұрын
I'm sorry Gordon, usually I agree with you but this time I have to strongly disagree. Even if what you're saying is correct and it's because it wasn't connected properly than it's still the connectors fault because they didn't make it moron proof, + the no bending crap 3.5 cm F that it's still the connector fault. Design a better connector that doesn't have those limitations or leave it the good old reliable 8 pin.
@FakeGordonMahUng
@FakeGordonMahUng Жыл бұрын
That's actually what I said there in this video. The classic engineers assume everyone isn't a dummy, hence mentioning no, you have to also design for idiots like me. Getting to 600-watts on a GPU using 8-pins means 4 pin which is massive board space and wiring as well.
@Roman00744
@Roman00744 Жыл бұрын
@@FakeGordonMahUng well yeah you did say that but you also made it sound that it's the "users" fault for not connecting it properly and no fault with the connector itself. IMO it is a crappy connector as it is. 1. Too small for the amount of power 2. Too sensitive to bending and if you try and comply with the 3cm no bending rule there is no case that can fit it without a vertical mount. 3. Obviously the connection is not good enough (doesn't matter if because the users connected incorrectly or the design is not good enough) hence the melting connectors.
@FakeGordonMahUng
@FakeGordonMahUng Жыл бұрын
@@Roman00744 Well, except I explicitly say engineers can often overlook end users screwing something up and they should anticipate that. Most of the time they do. Dom also pointed that out as well. Again, we don't know what is up. I'm really leaning toward out of spec connectors being manufactured that may not firmly click in place or come apart with hard bends. It's also just very delicate. It's so dainty, I think people are also installing it in a case with it properly inserted, but the catch doesn't hold or the pressure of the case door being pushed up against pops it out slightly causing the failures we're seeing. As far as being too small for power, it can handle the power quite easily when properly designed and fitted. That has definitely been proven over and over again and more recently by Teclab and Jon Gerow. If it's electrically fine, then it comes down to just being too delicate too much of a change for people combined with companies possibly not building them quite to spec.
@wargamingrefugee9065
@wargamingrefugee9065 Жыл бұрын
First? First!
@rory-red
@rory-red Жыл бұрын
LOL its was a 3090 not 4090 goofs
@lummoxicide1502
@lummoxicide1502 Жыл бұрын
Rx 7995 XTX 😅
@warking4257
@warking4257 Жыл бұрын
evga is more of a murican thing, not in EU,i care less if they not doing gpu's
@Mynx31
@Mynx31 Жыл бұрын
RDNA3 might be good but the AMD presentation was shit
@starkistuna
@starkistuna Жыл бұрын
Low energy low enthusiasm , and the graphs were mega misleading, its like they were trying to hide benchmark results, no info on testing methodology , settings etc then they snuck fsr into everything and did not put numbers on raster fps just bars, I am sure its because their alleged 54% improvement is not global.
@multiplectico
@multiplectico Жыл бұрын
The guy in the TV with the headset NEEDS A NEW MIC. The "TSSSSS" with every "X" or "S" pronounced IS SO SO ANNOYING. Please guys, just send him a good mic with a pop filter.
@jaegerjaquez1944
@jaegerjaquez1944 Жыл бұрын
If the guys could please take a bit of constructive feedback. The "uhh" count is off the charts, love the gang and the content but it is becoming a rough listen.
@marcasswellbmd6922
@marcasswellbmd6922 Жыл бұрын
I love that the 4090's shite cable is burning up!! I love it in fact!! That is what they get for always trying to go against the grain!!! They should have just went with 3 8 pins!!!
@diegoaccord
@diegoaccord Жыл бұрын
Eww laptops
@garievolutionsoccer3218
@garievolutionsoccer3218 Жыл бұрын
amd can did it: more L3 catch: but nothing to do with this catch: nvidia: we need more catch: hahahaha i want: 64mb L2: and 1gb L3
@fofal
@fofal Жыл бұрын
you mean RX 7900 XTX Event cope lol
@stephanhart9941
@stephanhart9941 Жыл бұрын
Is Brad using a Mic or Rice crispies? Snap, Crackle,Pop! It's time to retire the headset bro. Watch Brian @TechYesCity to learn how to set up great audio economically.
@tanmaypanadi1414
@tanmaypanadi1414 Жыл бұрын
The yes man is good . ❤️
@joobaggs6886
@joobaggs6886 Жыл бұрын
Conso!es use about 200watts. Mate that to a portable usb c 15inch screen and you're under 250!
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