What about driving? Maybe she’s a cart Horse

About bucking, haha. As I mentioned below, I grew up with Paso Finos through a neighbor across the road from where I lived. He had a little stallion that he did endurance racing and team pentathalons (10 different events) on. We're out in a rural area and there are a LOT of dogs, because there's no leash law out in the county. Most dogs are content to bark and run to the edge of the yard, and that's the end of it. But this one guy didn't appreciate the horses riding (as was our right) on the edges of the road, and he'd open the door and send his big shepherd cross charging down. That dog meant business, and would--and at one point DID--bite the heels of one of my neighbors younger horses-in-training. Of course, the dog disappeared when the police were called. So, my neighbor did a little work with his stallion and me on my Ara-Appaloosa and him on that little stallion went riding down that road one afternoon. First, my neighbor told me to hang back a bit and let him handle things, so I held Horse back and let him run on ahead of me at a corto (medium) gait. That dog came charging out and made a bee-line for my neighbor's horse. He reached back, touched the horse on the back end gently with his palm and the horse kicked out so fast it almost wasn't visible, without breaking his gait in the slightest, and sent that dog flying back to the house hollering its head off. From that day on, try as he might, the man couldn't get the dog to leave the front porch when we'd pass. But yeah, he could touch the horse on his rump and he'd kick out to that side and never break his stride from fino, the slowest gait, up to largo, the fastest. If you weren't watching, you'd miss it, it was that fast.

@@skaarlet1449 99% of the time, it's not the animal, rather the owner of the animal. Your story proves that point, since the owner continued to leave the dog out, but the dog proved he was smarter than the owner by staying on the porch. Maybe someone needs to kick that owner to knock some sense in him. LOL

@@audreygregis8721 Yes, it is the owners that are the problem. A crazy neighbor one street over used to send his pit bull after horses that rode by. A teenager whose horse I boarded was half a length ahead of me when that dog looked like it was going to lunge at her horse's throat. There had just been an incident where a pack of pit bulls had taken a horse and rider down. My horse and I dove between her and the dog and I caught it in the neck with a western boot. The dog dropped and went back in the yard. The neighbor yelled about me kicking his dog. And I said don't command your dog to attack horses and we won't bother it. Then I added better that I kick the dog than my horse kick or stomp it. My horses didn't have a problem with any dog EXCEPT that dog because this wasn't a one-time occurrence. Riding horses in neighborhoods and on roads where people don't understand them is a risky thing. Another time a kid's horse that was really solid reared up when guys stood up in the back of a pickup truck hooting and hollering at it. Fortunately, the horse was barefoot so it didn't slip. And the child riding it remembered what I taught about what to do if a horse rears. People can be truly ignorant if not downright evil. The first thing I teach every person new to riding is what to do if a horse rears or it runs off. Even the best kid's horse will spook at something sometime.

It was this horses ear positions I found interesting. I did not see one time where both ears came forward, especially towards the trainer when she was facing him. They seemed almost pinned back, and not necessarily listening behind. I read that as defensive as well, seems she needs to build some respect and trust of humans.

Some horses have to be brought along slower yet can come together really amazing in the end- IF the time is taken.

Thanks!

Also, i like the assessment you did of her. I went to a World Class Paso barn last fall. Rode their stallions (who were hot but, once mounted did absolutely everything perfectly especially stop) and an awesome mare. Paso’s are wired differently than many horse breeds and aren’t understood by a whole lot of people, especially those who ride the more dull breeds. We recently had horse conversations on one of my facebook groups and one colt starter said he started lots of paso’s over the years. The one thing he loved about them is he felt they were the most sure footed horse he’s ever ridden and this makes them great for Mountain Riding. They aren’t necessarily a good horse to rope cattle off of due to their size.

@@rooirand100 Pasos are fantastic trail horses in mountains especially. They're like goats lol. No most are not big enough to rope a steer and stop it, but they can sure sort cows! Most Pasos aren't good at bucking, but they can drop a shoulder and turn quick enough to sling you off.

You never know, there are so many "online trainer's" who are making me really sick and are torturing horses because they don't know better. And they don't have any respect for horses!! Having the odasity to call themselves trainer's because the rode 3 horses. I am sure you know what I mean?? Sadly the internet is full of these jerk's. This would be typical bc she is from a rescue station or her mother.

@@horse-lover68 The audacity of you spelling it wrong

@@oldageisdumb E is my 3rd language so Sorry but we can write in German or French if you are able to do so???

@@horse-lover68 I think you missed my joke 😜

@@oldageisdumb and this is why Europeans consider Americans rude.

I couldn’t agree more . I have a similar horse. Taking it slow and creating a trusting partnership with respect goes a long way .

Paso Finos are special horses. They need a special owner who will appreciate all they are.

@@Sorraiamustang That's a good point, some horses chill out a lot once they gain trust with someone and trust takes time.

Breathing -- inhale and exhale -- at the canter / gallop is directly related to footfall and period of suspension. Different from breathing at walk and trot.

honestly the barn I rode at , this was so common that I never thought it was something wrong. Now I'm second guessing my riding experience and instructors . I think maybe it was us , or the owners. All of the horses did this. I am legitimately shocked and ashamed

My friends horse would always do this when cantering. We rode together nearly every day after school and I always wondered why he did this. You could hear him coming a mile off

Thank you for being a responsible horse owner!

I worked with a few. They can all learn new ways. They are a product of their environment (bad feed, segregation, half trained). They don't choose to be freaks, that is just all they are taught. Given the chance, they will be great horses.

@@MaxNafeHorsemanship thanks for saying that! Yes, Pasos are forward types and sensitive. Most of the Pasos I see in rescue were "started" and I use the term loosely to be potential fino show horses. Not many can do it to win at shows, so they're discarded. Fino is the fast feet, little forward progress. What the discards have learned is to be hot and scared. Any light leg on them only means go. SMDH

@@tracyjohnson5023 Not sure I believe in "forward" breeds. I have a half Arab and a QH. Their personalities are opposite of the stereotypes. "Any leg means go" just means she is sensitive. A trait I like. The QH used to buck, and the Arab will take a nap.

Right? Pasos usually aren't good buckers, really a crow hop lol. I've found where they get you is that quick dropped shoulder turn around 😂

Or a bolt. Pasos are hypersensitive. Slow and steady is the way.

I worked cattle on pasos for years it was more comfortable riding for five or eight hours on them

@@bethalvarez6956 right? In Colombia they used to use Pasos for everything that's what was available. Not sure about now.

That's horrible and abusive. Terrible idea to be hard handed on an already explosive breed probably due to inbreeding.

IDK if it's standard but this one in the video seems incredibly sure footed, like she could take a million small steps with the front legs and just a few long ones with the back legs or any combo under the sun she felt like. You see some horses kind of buck a bit and then stumble but this one always looked totally stable even when panicky. And she could move those legs all around so fast, it was almost like a cartoon level amount of speed.

Well, this has me doing some deep thinking. I've had a mule for years that I was convinced was half Morgan. But I have to say his attitude and movement are so similar to this horse I have to wonder. Hmmmmmmmmmm He is not gaited but I don't think that would be abnormal for a mule to not pick up that trait.

Horses in general are super sensitive about the poll region, as just a species-wide trait. A young foal of any breed is likely to flip itself over backwards the first time it feels poll pressure if it isn't prepared properly for it. It's just hardwired into the entire species. The tendency to be extremely head-shy does seem to be breed-specific, though.

That was a good move with that Hemp. I wonder if this level of sensitivity is a mineral imbalance that forms the personality. Or hormonal inbalance. I have two mares that are very sensitive. Both have made good progress with some sedative minerals and raspberry leaf. I've watched some Paso Fino trainers and Boy! Their methods leave a lot to be desired. Like breaking them to saddle super young. Continued sucess with your girl!

When a horse is "dangerous", it is because it is resorting to it's instincts for survival. It is SCARED. If someone gets hurt, it is their own fault for not teaching the horse it never needs to freak out. I just worked with a TB that kicked the vet. He never even thought about kicking me.

@@MaxNafeHorsemanship people cant teach a horse what they dont know themselves. However, you're correct. Most behaviour comes from fear.

@@dawnaustin4556 Maybe you can't a horse what they need to know, but you CAN teach them to think and figure out problems. If they are thinking, they don't resort to instincts that cause dangerous behaviors. A thinking horse is a safe horse no matter the breed or personality.

@@dawnaustin4556 Re-reading your comment, I realized what you said. The human is always the problem and seldom want to admit it, thus they don't learn what they need to know. That's why I like horses better. They are always willing to learn.

Sounds like you have been around a few of the so-called trainers that have no problem with taking the money but have the problem of actually doing what they were paid for.

Wow! That’s quite a critter!

Yes, fascinating combinations you have there! Enjoy working with her:)

It’s true

Ryan is amazing. He's right that you aren't going to take a sensitive horse and make them dull. They all have different personalities, much like us. It would be like asking you to change your personality. Comes down to working with what you've got, and having a very patient owner who is willing to put in the work. . This horse is going to be great with the right person.

Thanks for watching!

Yep that may make it a little trickier cos the start up time on one this hot goes so slow.

I wondered why they waited so long too when he said she was at the rescue all those years.

Great question. That would be very interesting. I can tell you I've seen horses that were born vicious. And all of them were Thoroughbreds of particular bloodlines known to have disposition issues. It is highly heritable. You can train them, but you can never trust them. After them, the next worse horse is either an orphan colt raised as a pet by a green owner or an abused horse. Both are made vicious by human error or evil. And those are just as dangerous unless they end up with owners they respect. A horse that does not respect you that also has a genetically bad disposition or has been abused is so dangerous it is unwise to keep it.

The human race has plenty of mentally unstable specimens and my guess is those horses fitted the same bill.

@@northernandyboy Yes, there are some horses that are mentally unstable, too. I knew someone who was gifted a previously valuable Arabian because it would randomly flip out in a manner dangerous to the rider.

I’ve found your videos pretty interesting and I’m amazed how much they relate to my current horse. He was a badly handed 3.5 year old (unbroken) who I actually decided I hated after our first few sessions. He was defensively aggressive and would rear right up for what seemed like no reason. Never ever thought I’d ride him, plan was to get him get him on a float and gone. 5 years later taken very slowly, trying to cover all my bases he became the safest and kindest horse I could have asked for. I’ve been thinking lately I might like to get another horse to break, so I’m pleased to find your channel😊

And to answer your question, I've never seen my horse buck, not even in pasture, she's just running xD

Just because a horse has been in training doesn't mean it was the right training or makeany difference. A horsecan be in training for 2yrs yet still have the same issues when that time is up because of incorrect methods!

It's what good horsemen do. They listen to the horse and let it tell them what it needs.

Yes. It is always best to avoid teaching horses to have bad habits like bucking. Of dozens of horses I've raised and started, only one did not accept a saddle and rider willingly. She was so sensitive that I used a bitting rig and then a bareback pad and then an exercise saddle trying to get her used to something on her back. I knew she would spin and buck, so I hired an exercise rider who also rode bulls. Then I told him exactly what she would do: jump forward, spin right, then buck a couple of times. And I asked him to ask her for nothing -- just not come off. And that is what happened and once and she was over it. That is what she did the first time anything was changed. Because I wasn't sure I could stay on her or get on her without assistance (tall Thoroughbred mare), she is the only horse I've ever raised that I wasn't the first and sometimes almost only person to ever ride them. She also ran off with a jockey after a work where she had already backtracked at a trot 1/2 mile and then galloped a mile and a half and then worked 5/8ths. She wouldn't pull up and between the jockey and me on a pony horse together we couldn't pull her up. So we let her go and she galloped out almost a mile. I loved that mare, but she was a challenge. She would also only take a stallion for one day in a cycle. If you didn't breed her on that day, you weren't going to get it done. (Normally, mares accept the stallion at least 3-5 days and often longer.) She wouldn't let anyone else catch her. And I had to stare right into her eyes and tell her to stand up so I could catch her. Very dominant mare. I owned her dam, delivered and trained her, owned her all her life and still have her grandson who is 22 now.

@@Growmap She sounds like a challenge but must have been worth it. There are some horses that really make us step up our game. Makes life interesting.

@@liamrooney5314 Yes. She was special. The stakes winning racehorses and some top barrel horses are the ones like her. They only work for someone they respect. And they are never kid's horses no matter how long they live. That mare was always running in the pasture even in her 20s.

"Gaited" -- NOT "gated." Horses have "gaits" -- fenced yards have "gates."