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No wonder most good trainers don’t post their good work. I see a lot of comments about pain. No, the horse is not in pain. Ryan is re-training him. We need the Ryan’s of the world! I am grateful for his leadership and willingness to endure online critics who never saw the horse in person. Thanks for the video.

I'm impressed that you didn't "cowboy up" , but adjusted your training plan to circumstances.

I like his comment: be prepared, not lucky

Shame a beautiful horse like this who’s clearly athletic and smart has been mishandled. I can’t stop looking at him, he’s just so handsome.

So glad you can show us how important it is to work with the horse where they are at. It's way smarter to adjust plans than it is to force a horse to do something.

If it were pain, as so many keyboard trainers have suggested on here, the horse would not have softened and done better after an hour. He would not have become unstuck at that last minute of the video. If it were physical pain, he would have just gotten worse. Mr. Rose was 100% correct in his approach in dealing with the mental and emotional problems in this horse. You cannot see in a video all the things that you can see while on the ground actually handling the horse. You cannot learn from watching what is happening if you are suggesting from a distance that you already suspect you know what is happening.

Hahaha I was riding my mare on the trails bridleless as we've done plenty times and I had closed my eyes to feel all her movements, totally relaxed and the next thing I knew I was on the ground and she was half way across the field 😂

I am so glad the owner hired you to work with her horse. This horse needs you Ryan.

Not a horse guy.... thank you so much for showing how this is done. I have had opportunities to ride but have a great deal of respect (and caution) for the size and power of these animals. The subtleties have obviously taken you many years to learn. My friends with horses have never given me the slightest glimmer of these sensibilities.

Thank you for sharing this. I love your systematic analysis. I love also that your Most Beloved Wife, Dr Emily, is a horse and human physio, and that as a matter of course possible pain is always ruled out first. You and Em are a terrific team, and here on You Tube we benefit from your combined wisdom even if Em isn’t visually present. I love your Patreon content, too. Great value.

The head shaking with the lateral flexion almost as if he has pain

I think both Ryan and the owner have been involved with enough horses to know to first sort out possible pain issues. Ryan is not an idiot and the owner is clearly a caring and devoted horse owner. I trust Ryan.

I agree about pain. A lot of bad behavior is from pain. Snaffle bits cause severe scarring on the roof and bars of the mouth. UC Davis discovered this many moons ago. It’s one of the worst things you can use. I absolutely love this man’s training..but what many trainers don’t and can’t out of lack of knowledge is the equipment.. I was an equine vet assistant for many years. Find a bit that your horse is happy with. A soft curb usually does the trick both western & English. Then make sure the saddle isn’t pinching or rubbing. You’ll need experts in that field to help if you’re having issues. Poor horses try to communicate their discomfort and pain…usually no one’s listening.

Def want to see part 3! Love this guy and watching him progress. I think he’s learning to trust more than anything. So thankful you can help him! Seems he’s been mishandled.

Yep, my young warmblood is coming to you in a couple months for this reason - can’t wait to see his progress!

You made the comment that we the viewers would like it if you got your cowboy on for the videos. I wanted to say o really enjoy your videos due to the fact that you DON'T cowboy the horse instead you teach them. So I just 2ant3d to say thank you on the behalf of the horses you work with and for teaching others that there are ways of doing without endangering you and the horse. Ride safe

I am a "reknewed" rider. I used to ride when I was young. I am now 52 years old and haven't rode in 20 years. The first time I rode, I got thrown. Then I bought a beautiful horse that was trained really well. But since I was thrown I was afraid. He got barn spoiled and now I am more nervous. I am now taking riding lessons. Its me, I am the problem. I am learning everyday and I can't wait to ride my horse. Thank you for your videos!

We do battle reactment and take a big deal of training horse to stay calm in many different disturbing circumstances, but at home to make the total battle experience is impossible, so the best practice when a horse is first time in the action we keep the new ones in between the experienced calm horses. This was the old days of horse training in my country (Hungary), as a foal learned everything from it's mom what life is like around humans, always learn new things in the company of experienced horses. I appreciate your lessons, we don't have this luxury anymore, learning from you, since we have a dominant young mare.

As a massage therapist I would gently massage his gums and lips, also pulling gently his lips (especially the corners where the bit touches) top and bottom in any and all directions, and check his A-O joint for misalignment. Most jumpers are ridden with a lot of mouth gear and have dead mouths as well as pain so your plan to work more with the bit is a good one. When I have a horse with similar reactions to the bit, I massage the gums and lips first then softly massage with the bit, and sometimes work his gums and lips with the bit in. Also check the masseter and frontal muscles for pain/tension.

Head shaking with bit, he’s not acting disrespectful

Gotta agree with momislazy, has this horse been vetted for any chiropractic issues? Teeth issues? If he was an ex-jumping horse, he may have jarred something out of whack. He looks like he's trying but having pain and can't do it. Especially with the shaking of the head after each time...

He truly is a beautiful horse

That horse is gorgeous! Nice work Ryan, great video

Something very common in show jumping and cross country is over-bitting, basically using a leverage or twisted wire bit (or both) combined with a tight drop noseband to prevent them opening their mouth. Which might explain his reaction to bit pressure in the flexing. He is expecting pain from the bit and proactively fighting it. Its not uncommon to see horses bleeding from the mouth during professional show jumping comps.

Very nice! What a joy to see him relax working with you.

Very cool and interesting series with this horse, I hope there will be a part 3. Might also be worth checking his teeth, they can often be a problem that is not immediately obvious, but cause pain to the horse. This horse is really gorgeous too, love the videos! 🥰👍

This is a beautiful, sensitive horse. What a good boy he is actually Great heart.

All that head shaking during and after lateral flexion to the right…something tickles? hurts? pinches? ears? neck? teeth?

One example for being calm is when I was at an endurance race riding a young warm blood and it was cool and windy at the start and the wind caught a hold of the tent at the register area and it flew off over our heads…there was about 30 horses standing around me and they all reacted and some began to frek out so I grabbed the reins of my daughters horse while I was mounted and said whoa loudly and since my large 17.2 hand horse stood there… all the horses looked my way and didn’t run off… lol … a similar thing happened when I was riding my appy out in the field with my family and my older daughter’s standard bred who thinks he is a stud did a loud blowout thru his nose and stood there like a clown watching the other horses run … one horse ran right into my horse’s ribs and I yelled whoa and the other horses stopped and looked while I laughed holding the morab and my lovely appy never moved… I miss her dearly…😢… she foundered right after a west Nile vaccine and had to be put down:( she was a wild mustang and was one of the nicest most honest horse I ever rode.

I really like this horse! Can't wait to see the progress!

Again so expertly done Ryan. The horse thanks you

Thank you for continuing to share updates on the progress. This is a very interesting horse to see your interactions.

Love watching Ryan Rose training sessions! My favorite horse trainer on YT! :) I've got to agree with everyone who says, this horse seems to have pain in his mouth. He needs to be seen by an equine dentist. Also I highly suspect he has ulcers and might be why his sensitivity around his flanks. I know it was mentioned in the previous video that he had ulcers and it was treated, but ulcers do come back. Might also be the reason why he started as docile for a month and then he transformed, as the ulcers kicked in. Changing owners/places and feed schedule can be a stressful situation to a horse, which would definitely cause it. (the ulcers). I'm sure Ryan has the knowledge and love to help this beautiful boy!

I enjoy seeing the process & I am glad you are taking it slow. Good for you!!

"Red lights" should include recognizing when a horse is in pain.

Had a horse at our yard that was a jumper, had ulcers , he became so dangerous even after treated he couldnt be ridden. He had the sweetest nature you could tack him up even hack out at a walk, but anything above that nope. So the big guy 17hh cross warmblood , became the best friend to any new horses that arrived . Vet had said he thought as the ulcers had been pretty bad, he wondered if pain rememberance was a trigger.

I would like to check the teeth and the stomach.. right side is typical also for stomach problems.. pressure and bending and all this stuff.. great work.. I love it 👍

It seems as though he may have pain in his mouth. Have his teeth been done? Head shaking…..throwing it up…..chewing. Something hurts.

You know when everyone is saying pain, regardless of.him being checked out a second opinion is good to have. Beautiful boy.

He reminds me of one of the geldings I have here and his responses are similar during ground work. Looking forward to the next video 😊

That looks like pain avoidance

So thankful for these videos, and thank you for giving us the Patreon information

loved seeing the progress and how you are working through his past issues and really taking the time he needs.

Teeth? Amazing to remember at this stage that we put each others life in our hands / hooves. Out there on the trail anything can happen and to have that bond of trust both ways is such an honor and responsibility. I love the sharing of senses and both of you knowing you are looking out for each other. I worked "metal free" for a while, (no bits or shoes), and to my surprise found the going was easy. Feeling the proper grip in the feet and easy head response felt good. Had the right horse. I have met horses who don't like the flapping bits of straps around their face. The bridle was ok when all the strap end keepers were sorted. Nice work Ryan. Thanks.

Love watching this.. i agree he looks in pain but also seems a bit traumatised.. i would be working with the signals his ears are giving off, would love to see release there

Poor guy seems to be handled wrong and was bullied.. Thank you for taking the time to open up a healthy communication..

I love the soft, patient way Ryan works with this horse. A very well known horseman used to always say “ never rush a horse” and Ryan’s willingness to meet the horse where he is and adapt his methods and timeline to meet the horse’s needs is commendable. I do want to comment on the horse’s very labored breathing even after it appears he’s been standing for a bit. I’ve only seen that type of panting breathing in a horse that isn’t sweating in a couple of horses I’ve known that had anhidrosis. It appears from the palm trees this is a hot climate - FL, AZ - where incidences of anhidrosis in horses are much more common than in cooler climates. His breathing is more like a racehorse after a race than a horse that is doing a little bit of relatively slow ground work.

He was ridden by a head set up that hurt him. Jumping horse you said??? His mouth was manhandled maybe.

Ryan is the real deal. He has helped me tremendously. He can read the horses so well. He helped me gain more confidence

Great video! Such a nice horse and glad you are involved! Looking forward to seeing the progress!!

Mesmerized by these videos!! You’re a real horse whisperer. Thank you for sharing your knowledge ❤

Riding a young (3yr old) nice and quiet and relaxed and he came unglued when the neighbor’s dog ran under his feet. Went from relaxed to upside down in a heartbeat.

well we learned alot today. I am glad he is working through it. Thank you for helping him out.

I hope you keep this series going. Have one with less baggage but more "electric" and this is very interesting to watch and learn from

Personally, I don't like the way his back end is moving at a trot or canter. Actually, on both sides, whether he goes right or left. I don't like any of his responses, especially with his head. This is an agitated horse. Not a horse that needs training. He's acting like this because he hurts. If he's been looked at by an equine chiropractor, I'd be finding another chiro. When this gelding's owner said people couldn't believe she owned this horse, wow, did that bring back memories. Years ago, 20 to be exact, I adopted a gorgeous horse from a rescue. Paid a handsome sum for her, too....and just like this owner, people couldn't believe I now owned this mare. Then the former farrier wanted to talk to me. He actually said, "I know she's beautiful, but she's not worth getting hurt over"...and it went on and on....the stories I heard that an equitation stable did to her were horrible. She was a horse in pain. I kept seeing something in the back end, when everyone else said she was fine. Well, she wasn't fine. Finally found a chiro...and my gosh, this horse was out all over...ribs, neck, pelvis. Her back end was sooo bad, we kept putting it back in place, then it would go out. The chiro said she had been out for sooo long, she wasn't sure she would ever be right. My vet knew the rescue, got in my face and told me to give her back, that I didn't cause her issue, the previous owners did. Gave her back, cried my eyes out. Stupid owner and the stable ruined a beautiful, beautiful mare.

Maybe he has some kind of orthopedic problem in his neck so the bending is uncomfortable or hurts? The head shaking when he is asked to do it is suspicious.

This horse has improved greatly since the last video- he is beautiful so I hope he gets to where he needs to be for his owner; your videos are enjoyable to watch and it is always amazing to see the transformation in the horses

Thank you for showing your response to him pulling that badly on the bit. Sometimes i feel like I'm doing too much or too little when they respond like that, but you showed a nice medium.

Awesome video Ryan!

I had an experience with an Arabian mare once where she bolted into a gallop with me during a riding lesson. She heard my trainer ask if I wanted to canter, I said no, but she anticipated canter, took off, and then started galloping with me. I was calm and relaxed for two laps and was trying to just ride it out but eventually I lost my balance and fell off. :)

I noticed this in the first video and see it here as well: This fella really communicates a lot with his ears. It's very interesting to watch. He's quite lovely and seems to be doing a lot of the normal things horses do when they're learning. He looks pretty when he bucks! 😁

Stupid tax I really think paid off: I decided to slowly and calmly lead my new lease into his stall when I knew he had dragged a few students in, bolting from pretty much the moment their lesson was done and they left the arena. Managed to step into the stall first, but was nearly run over. We’ve been working on following and yielding a lot since then and get better every time 😊

You have great videos and are truly talented, my wife and I love watching you.

A friend put a saddle on her horse and it had a strap that kind of tickled its belly, not a back cinch, and her horse bucked like crazy, and she got really hurt. Good to see how to be safe rather than sorry and get them used to things. Love the check list. Good to also hear the thought processes, why you are using the bit instead of the other tools.

The reaction was pain or discomfort. He has shown he is intelligent and willing and he is giving you very clear signals of discomfort and I’m at a loss as to why you are just ignoring him.

It's very interesting how his whole demeanor changed once you asked for lateral flexion with the bit. Looks like you definitely identified one major source of his body tensions and behavior issues. I think he has the potential to be a great horse; it's fun watching you help this guy sort through his troubles

Thanks for the videos.what you say about the Horse being able to pick up the calm in the person needing to be thaught i find realy interesting.that is definitaly something i havent thought of before and it makes sense.so thank you.i love when the Horse finaly comes out of himself and starts being a Horse again with all those innate atributes like willingness,curiosity and play.thats where joy finds its place .before he had a lot of brasses.

I gentle broke an Arabian and tries to use a bit, and he was not happy with a bit, so I used a hackmore and spent a lot of time getting him comfortable to the hackmore before I even got in the saddle. He was comfortable with the hackmore and got his trust so anything that you can do to build trust helps

Oh that was beautiful to see. I love animals. Just as a human needs respect ,so does a horse or any animal need respect. He is a really great trainer who reads the horse very well and understands the animal. As well as mentally of the horse of his emotions .

Has this horse seen a chiropractor? He's shaking his head quite a bit makes me wonder if his poll is out. Since he was a former jumper, I wouldn't be surprised if he had ulcers or was magnesium deficient.

Yep Ryan, had one flip over on his back. Reared straight up and came down on his back. Had we not been in a round pen with fairly soft sand, I’d have been mashed. As it was, I broke my left hand when the saddle came down as I put my hand up in defense.

It seems he's more challenged on his right side, both with the knuckle pressure to the ribs, and with his neck. Perhaps he needs a chiropractic adjustment? I love your videos Ryan! (watching from the UK)

Great video. He seems uneducated but not necessarily bad.

The resistance on the right side can be caused because the horse doesn't want the person on the right side. I5 also can be because people have pulled on his mouth before

Had loads of "oh shit" moments. Last one was in December when a wild hog jumped out of bushes - maybe 6 - 8 feet away - while I was cantering by . Let's just say I was very lucky that I stayed on.

Nice! Thank you

i ride a horse which is very introverted and sometimes she bucks out of the blue. we have checked her saddle she got a new one now and we checked her for ulcers and we had to treat her. But I am still not sure if these issues were the whole reason for her to buck. she is a very brave horse but she reacts to sound (street). sometimes i feel that she gets stuck just as you said in that video. Your videos really help to get new inputs in how to check and finding out where the problem is. really appreciate it!

Nice follow up video on this guy. He's definitely a little "stale". No doubt he wont take too long to recall and respond without get too upset. Following with interest.

Not surprised peoples first thought were pain...... I was thinking wolf teeth! But the way he softened and relaxed was really nice! 🥰🥰 After more than 40 years with horses (both work and hobby) I have several scary stories! 😅😅 But also stories so precious you must have been ther to believe them! ❤❤ Horses are phenomenal and they teach you new skills all the time!!!

Really pretty horse

I like the way you work with horse 🐎 Nanette

He's shaking his head; holding his right ear at an odd angle, as soon as the snaffle went in...an awful lot of mouthiness. Is that head gear bothering him, do you think?

Have his teeth been checked? Is it possible he has had a neck injury? I would ask a vet to have a look in his mouth at the very least. Try flexion without a bit in to see if he still shows pain on flexion.

You are right. As a view I’m slightly disappointed to have never seen things “go western” with you astride. On the other hand I really appreciate all the info you provide to help me never have to ride through “going western.” Luckily our gelding is fairly low response. He’s done crow hopping a couple times but quits instantly if put into a turn and those hops aren’t much rougher than his trot so even I don’t fall off. I find my own ways to end up on the ground 😂.

What’s always exciting, besides what I learn in the actual videos, are all the armchair trainers in the comments and commenters in the comment section. I guess it does help the algorithm.

I hear “he used to jump. A “jumping” horse. My limited knowledge says he wore a saddle. But as the video progresses, I realize he wore an English (?) saddle. Gentle, knowledgeable and caring trainer.

You’re amazing

I've definitely been in a situation where the horse I was riding was NOT connected with me & freaking out a bit, but I was cool as a cucumber. I'd taken over the Horsemanship program at my school & we were riding in the Pony Express parade. A lot of extra noises that our horses don't hear on a regular basis. The horse I was riding has been in the parade before. The ride itself was decent. He needed a few reminders of his manners, but nothing out of control or over the top. At the end of the parade, we had to stand still while the Pony Express Riders were being sworn in. My horse would NOT sit still. He kept dancing around and wouldn't listen to my commands. I was completely calm. He just wasn't connected with me or receiving my low energy. Now I know what kind of work I need to do with him before next years ride.

Yes, he softened a bit, that does not mean that he is not in pain. His expression, constant tail swishing and his general expression indicates pain to me. I hope I am wrong

I used to be in a mounted unit. I was riding a horse as part of his re-evaluation ride for injuring another rider. He'd broken her spine in several places. There is a standardized list of tasks we have to achieve to "clear" a horse post-incident. Part of clearing them is taking them on a group ride in a large ring and going through pace transitions for a set amount of time. At that time, it was a minimum of an hour. We were walking, he was the second horse in a line formation. The horse in front of us reared and ran. My horse then decided to demonstrate that he'd missed a career in the bronc riding circuts. He did this by bucking his way through a solid two-thirds of the ring. That was truly an impressive performance. I saw about half of it from the ground. I knew what I was signing up for when I agreed to do the evaluation on him. I'd known this horse for years. With him you were either fine or you wouldn't be, and there was no point in getting panicked about it. Seeing the front of his neck wasn't fully unexpected on my part. They did end up discharging him. Turns out when you have a horse that has broken more than one person's spine, they aren't suited for public service.

I started training an ardenner to be a wagon horse. She is really introverted and can blow up out of nowhere and she don't allow leading from behind. She took of 2 times with the pulling lines and lost all connection. Now we went to saddle training with your fundamentele training and she does brilliantly. It's a draft horse that doesn't want to draft 😂. But your training videos have helped a lot. So thank you for your help and InSite

Was riding a horse about 6 months ago that was very spooky before me and thought we had worked enough that it was safe but it definitely turned into a try to hold on. He spooked and bolted

Story time: My late gelding farted loud, spooked himself and pulled me off of my feet because I was lunging him. As soon as I got up, I was too busy laughing and he was looking at me like "I could've been hurt!" I just got my horse AJ and found he has a healed scar and two little scars on each side of his mouth where somebody was very rough with him in his mouth. He gets scared when I put his halter or hackamore on. I have gotten him to the point where I can deworm him with no issues and open his mouth, but as far as a bit, that is a no go.

I’m not really a riding guy, but I do like driving. I bought a “broke” Belgian, he would line drive nicely. First time I hitched him….disaster! I’ve learned through reading and you tube video’s, like yours, I am just as much to blame as he is. So for the past half a year I’ve been working on him and me. When you see the results of your training…..priceless.👍✌️

Get his tmj, dental, pole looked at. Something is off in his head region with that kind of reaction for lateral flexion

Just curious. What are his teeth like? Have they been floated at all? Edit: After watching you move his head with the halter and then the rein, he is hurting. Maybe check his teeth.

When you bend his head to the right, it makes me wonder if he has something going on with his teeth based off his reaction .

If he was once a jumper, what changed in him? Perhaps many of the people commenting are right, regarding a potential health issue.

Enjoying this and your process and narration. The reaction to the bit with right flexion and his head shaking after made me wonder if there’s some sort of pain. Teeth or trigeminal nerve? It didn’t seem completely behavioral to me, I though he really seemed a bit physically uncomfortable. Maybe I’ll find out in the next video.