I have the follow up video soon, and that useless piece of shit 'LITHIUM battery" is nothing better than a SCAM.. stay tuned.

I would have preferred doing the fit and power tests before the teardown, we can't be sure reassembly didn't mess up the alignment of the connecting clips, causing the trouble when plugging into the charger and fan.

I’ve got several of these cheapies, tested em with my heat gun... they do alright, but not as rated 🤣 I use OEM on heavy draw tools, cheapies on the lights, fan etc. no dramas so far, and saved lots of dosh

love that "do not disassemble thats problematic lets grab a screw driver"

Well I am a diy person not a contractor and I have 2 knockoff batteries different than the one you showed but while they dont last quite as long as the OEM batteries. I do not have the fit problems you showed mine click in fine and use them on recip saw and drill all the time . For DIY its great value in my opinion. My knock off batteries are 2 years old and still going strong

I've never heard such a biased comparison. Talk about prejudice! Funded by Ryobi? I am an electronic engineer who has designed battery chargers and many other electronic products. Your criticisms of the design of the knock-off are mostly just your bias. The knock-off looks like a more cost-effective design to me. How about you measure the thickness and width of the nickel strip and then calculate its resistance and the effect on the voltage drop, for example? The multiple spot weld are redundant - one will do almost as good a job as 4 because they have very short path length. 3 is no problem. I have several Ryobi and knock-off batteries and I find them very similar in performance. The genuine one probably? has slightly better cells but I can't tell much difference. Maybe my knock-off is a better one - they are not all the same... Perhaps your battery may be falling out because you didn't reassmble it carefully enough? I don't have this problem, it fits just like the Ryobi one.

I don't know if you noticed it or not but the genuine Ryobi battery BMS has a temperature probe as well!!

Your knockoff is about 1/4 the price and the capacity is about 6AH (not 9AH). That sounds like good value! Look forward to seeing your results. If you get less than 1/3 the cycles for the knockoff then it is good value. You should have a look at the catches to see why they were not grabbing! I have a knockoff Makita 5AH but its capacity was 3.8AH. However it cost 1/3 the genuine battery. I think this is good value.

Bought knockoffs once…what was I thinking! Mine felt light straight out of the box, so I charged them and then ran my blower until they were flat. I then tested my Ryobi batteries. I found that the knockoffs were about half of their supposed rating. Lesson learned, and thankfully I didn’t burn my house down.

To be fair you should have done the fit testing and endurance testing before taking it apart. I don't think It would have impacted the results much but doing it in the order you did does taint the results. I take that back. It sound like you are not doing real testing but have an agenda. e.g., You state it is your job to prove the brand name is better at 16:24.

I have been using “knockoff” units here for years. 6Ah and they last well, but the build quality of mine is way better than the one you pulled apart.

Degradation is always a factor in any lithium battery you choose. It comes down to a cost/proficiency equation depending on your job needs. Professional contractors obviously need more from their tools, but for the average DIY'er, there is no shame in a knockoff.

The only time I would ever consider a counterfeit is if I was replacing a battery for an old obsolete tool where oem are no longer available. I had a bad experience and fool me once, I learn quickly!

A fair test would be to spend the same amount of money on each of both types. In this case $299. Ie 4 knock offs vs one genuine. Only after doing identical tests can you determine which is the better value. Eg. Will 4 knock offs last longer than the one original ? As far as the quality of build goes, do those (thinner? - Did you measure them?) knock off nickel strips get hotter or make the pack more likely to fail or be dangerous ? You've raised some very interesting points including some non quantifiable ones which can't be tested. Thank you for all your work here.

My experience with these off brand batteries is that they do not last and the warranty is useless unless your failure occurs very early in ownership. What happens is that they sell a batch of batteries by "Brand" and then that "company" goes away. By the time the battery fails, there is no one to contact for warranty. The sellers come with another "Brand" and sell another batch, then go away. At least this is what I was seeing.

t would have been better to do all the testing first, before disassembling the batteries. That way it ensures that the disassembly/reassembly does not affect the battery performance. A connection may have gotten damaged when the were put back together. However your test do point out that you get what you pay for. In the real world someone who does not use power tools may get away by buying the cheap brand. A professional would not was their money on garbage. I did enjoy the review. The Ryobi is expensive down there at $ 299 AUD. They cost about $ 160 AUD in Canada ($ 148 CAD).

This is a great video. Thank you. Ryobi's battery line is extremely confusing. I wish someone would open them all up and tell us which cells are in which batteries so we can know how many amps a particular battery is capable of.

I've been using off brand 6 Amp hr batteries for over a year, happy so far with their performance and low cost

Thanks for the video. I have had different experience with the 3-4AH batteries. The Ryobi seems to be shoddy workmanship and the BMS seems to be allowing the battery level to get too low. I have to take the 18v batteries apart and charge them up when they are too low and then charge them up on the charger.

Might be the make of it because I have a few 6amp batteries and they click in just like OEM and get great run time. I've only had these a few months so I cannot comment on longevity. If I get at least 2 years out of them, I consider that a win 😀

I'm planning on trying to build myself a 6.0AH using 3D printed parts, an off the shelf BMS and LG HG2 cells in 2P. If that works, I may try building a cheap one with 3P M29's (which a local london retailer sells to pack builders for £1.66/cell plus tax and shipping). In 3P, the M29's should be able to manage 30A sustained, which *should* be ok. Might have to charge it with my imax instead of my ryobi charger, but that should be easy to print an adapter for. Could even throw in a balance charge lead...?

You could buy four eBay batteries for one Ryobi battery and still have change. Would have been great to test the battery before pulling it apart.

I've been using Ryobi 18V tools for over 12 years now and always been very happy with them. I JUST replaced 2 of my 4Ah batteries, which both had a date code of 2008. They took a charge just fine, but started to fade on high draw tools. They were ok on a screw gun or a drill for short use. But 12+ years on 2 Lithium batteries - fantastic! I waited for the Ryobi sale and got a great price on qty (2) 6Ah batteries, which go forever. I can't imagine the 9Ah. Great video - I will stay with the OEM Ryobi batteries. Maybe I'll get another 12 years!. I'm glad Ryobi has stayed with the exact same 18V battery connection for their tools all these years. My 12 year old power tools work just as well as the new stuff, and I continue to expand my collection with new Ryobi tools as I need them. I'm very satisfied.

This is how you go right buying the Ryobi battery! I have some decent & some "not so decent" 18650 batteries. They both seem to start out good on milliamp capacity. The main difference I can find between them is...after about 6 months of use, ...the knock off batteries will not hold a charge anymore. The brand named batteries will last 4, 5, 6 times or even more having a much longer life! I have a older Ryobi One+ tool set with a (P102) 24Wh Battery from 2009 it's still running strong with 80+% capacity! You do get your money's worth when you buy the real deal!👍

ya im curious about those batteries type mha on sleeve and that is a fuse on the ryobi on the side. mostly for a dead short scenario.

just woundering how much you were paid or (sponsored) by Ryobi as you can clearly see in this over biased review. you should disclose this to your viewers.

In our experience, the "on-sale" price of a genuine "standard size" Ryobi 4AH battery is too cheap to bother with any sub-par ripoff. $25-40 each is a common going rate here in the states when purchased in 2 and 4 packs around the holidays or other annual "sale" weeks.

Is that a second video ever going to come. I found this quite informative but it did perform a lot better than I was expecting and it would’ve been nice to see how that battery fitted prior to you stripping it not suggesting you’re not competent enough to put it back together properly but it would’ve been nice to see keep up the good work👍

interesting video, my own experience is that the big difference emerges when using products that need more power for a longer period, such as different saws, lawn mowers, etc Ryobi battery is a so-called "high energy" battery with dual terminals requires that the battery gives more power to products with brushless motors. maybe you can test that difference in your video next time?

I've used lots of knock off Ryobi 4ah batteries and have never noticed much if any performance difference. They're heavy at 4ah so don't think I'll be buying any 9ah. But don't see why there should be much difference

As time goes on I've found the fake stuff getting worse. For batteries, I'll buy original in store with warranty from now on.

Thanks for the video. I've been using Ryobi for a long time just that professional homeowner usage 😊. But when I saw the 299AUD/237US I thought I would comment. Here in the US that battery is regular price $159us. At that price a good value. But penny pincher that I have to be I wait for Ryobi days. The first 2 I bought were on sale for 2 for $199. Them last fall they went on sale for 2 for $179!! So I done in end bought 4. They are outstanding and really do make a very noticeable difference in run time both on brushed and brushless tools not to mention the real performance of the tool itself. Thanks Again. Lastly love Australia had an assignment there back in the 90s spent a month in Sydney and surrounding areas.

Thanks for the video. For curiosity, does the lamp and fan have the same current rating?

Not really a valid comparison after you've taken them to bits and reassembled them - should have charged both on the same charger and done the tests before you pulled 'em to bits.

This is right up my alley. I am in the need to replace my royobi batteries. I can live with a little less than rated grunt for most things. I can't live with batteries falling out of tools though. I am keen to see how these hold up. Do you happen to know if the knock off batteries will fit into the royobi cases by any chance? if they do, this could overcome the fall out of tools issue.

I sure wish you were available to me 20+ years ago when I had technology based Businesses! You & your equipment are quite impressive. Great work, great videos, & great commentary. 10+ my my book. Cheers!

It looks like an array of the ubiquitous '18650' lithium cell, used in many battery packs for not just power tools, but laptop computers as well. I would suggest that the 'knock-off' cost just as much to manufacture, but with lesser grade components, and the guarantees of the 'Ryobi' brand name ratings. The interesting observation is that of failure in a few years time, with similar use. The dominant characteristic is when the Ryobi item fails, and the price of the replacement cells, as a re-pack. In that circumstance, one is inclined to opt for the 'knock off' as a replacement...

For the money you save and the job you do at home I'll take the Knock-Off one and SAVE ME MONEY ! Each battery has multiple spot wields. As long as they make connection and work who cares.

Would love to see a test the run times of these 2 batts in a high load tool. My bet is the % difference will increase in higher load scenario.

The Ryobi one is of the newer type with the extra connector on the back to deliver more current to the new brushless tools, the difference is VERY big compared to the older ones.

OEM vs Knockoff... this should be interesting to see the end results.. its a question i have had many times.

I have had no problems with aftermarket ryobi batteries... But most come with no rubber padding on their exterior and are not as moisture proof so to speak as the genuine ryobi batts

You know very well that we want you to pull that pack apart! 😂😜

Haven't had any issues with my knock off falling out. Curious what the lifespan would be compared to the Ryobi

I would love to see that test

Making those 9ah Ryobi batteries available in the US last year for $40 each look better and better!

"will have a lot less cycles before it fails" < I think this is the key here!

Would love to know what cells are in the High Performance vs High Capacity Ryobi and which cells are in which. The latter apparently use Samsung 18650-20Q cells. As I understand it HP and HC Ryobi batteries of the same Ah will have the same run time but the HP can provide a higher peak current. Also, I am wondering why the HP has an extra 2 terminals at the base of the shaft. Why are not the 3 terminals at the end of the shaft sufficient to deliver HP performance?

Thanks Im convinced ill be buying original battery, what mah would be recommended to use for a dyson? ive ordered a ryobi adapter for it

Capacity test the cells from the cheapo

I have been using 2 knock offs , for about 9 months, used on a nail gun, couldn't be happier

"Look at that! Perfect fitment!" XP That made me laugh! 12:29

We have 8 "Ryobi type" 18V batteries, half are authentic and half are knock offs. You can tell they are knock offs with just a cheaper feel and they do last a little less, but for essentially 75% off the full price option its worth it. We've had them for a few years and they don't run like they used to, but the fact they are still going is impressive for a cheap battery.

I am a huge fan of ryobi knockoffs, I have done framing works great, used straight for more than a year, Will NOT buy expensive OEM

Left half the potential content on the table. It would be useful to know what cells are used. I'm thinking of rebuilding my ryobi pack with aftermarket cells, but I'd rather you tear your apart first.

I’m still waiting upon the next video, but this does help me in my idea. I do want to get a couple of the knock off batteries as I will ONLY be using them for my fan, light, and radio. I personally don’t care for the extra weight and would personally prefer to swap out the smaller battery on my actual working tools due to weight. I also would not trust the power inverter with a knock off.

Really ? I am using how you called this "Ebay knockoff job batteries" on all my Ryobi tolls no problem with them even after couple of years. Where orginal Ryobi 2Ah battery died after 7 months,and have to be replaced.

They should never be 100% charged. They should be at a storage voltage, so the ryobi should have been a higher voltage

Good luck on claiming on the dodgy eBay warranty in 3 yrs time

I own approx. 2 dozen of each type of this battery (OEM and aftermarket) and have had no problems with the aftermarket one's. However the OEM one's have required replacement numerous times. Plus I can buy 4 or 5 of the aftermarket batts for the price of 1 OEM one. So even if I went through 4 of the aftermarket to 1 of the OEM I'd still be ahead. But I don't. The aftermarket batts last and last and last, unlike the OEM Ryobi batts. I once thought that you could get more by paying more, too. I found out that YOU CANNOT.

I love this video and want to know more about the knock off. I would like to know the results of discharge test, the kind of battery cells that it actually has, and if this truly is a HP compatible battery as it's has two additional battery terminals in the rear of the battery. Most Knockoff's don't have those rear battery terminals. As of now, that 9ah knockoff is 1/3 of the price of the genuine Ryobi.

perhaps that something is the way you put it back together and blame build quality (your build quality)

76% reduction in build quality.

I have this exact knockoff battery and it’s the same with fitment on the tools, falls out of the tool at times and on my leaf blower this so called 9ah knock off battery only lasts a little longer than my 5ah genuine ryobi battery. It would be lucky to be any more than 6ah in capacity.. only had my knockoff battery 2 months and it’s a matter of time to see how long it lasts.. great video 👍🍻

It seems we dont see the Ryobi 9Ah batteries in Europe. I wonder which markets do get them. For most tools the 9Ah is rather too big, but for some gardening tools it would be great.

Hi kid its not to surprising that people go for the knock off 299 for a battery come on someone is taking the out of us all I get it with the knock off one it looked a bit shady for sure its a shame that companies just over charge for something that probably costs no more than about 40 to make in China anyway it would be nice if you could pull the batteries out of it to see what they are great vid kid keep it up enjoyed it.

Yes we already know that all these chinese knockoff clone batteries contain inferior and or untrustworthy lower quality cells. It does not move the needle forwards much to expent all your efforts being so thorough to prove that. Other than to help educate the more ordinairy consumers amongst us who are not aware of this. Especially for higher current draw situation. Which you didn' t test yet in this first video. But if you are really serious about this topic, then there are another 2 better options: 1) not for ryobi, but for makita 18v it is possible to buy a 'battery kit' from aliexpress. Which is all those clone parts except for the actual battery cells. Then you can source your own high quality genuine samsungs or whatever you like (and proper high current discharge version). And put them in yourself. For the fitment and quality or materials issue i would say at least the makit ones looks ok. Or you can modify your own shell. Some people with "decent' 3d printers can also print their own shells in a tougher plastic that will solve that issue. What I think is really the bigger question for these clone batteries then, assuming that you are competent and capable enough person to solve all these above issues. Thats all fine except the questionable BMS charging circuit pcb. Which is like... more hassles to stress test and depend upon i would expect. SO onto option number 2 then: 2) Maybe you can take an official but dead genuine battery pack. Or buy one cheaply on ebay. And just replace all of the cells youself. Then you get a genuine casing, clips. and a genuine PCB. You might have to throw out the battery contact metal, and replace that yourself. But that aspect should be fairly straightforward. The main question for renewing these official ones is if there is some little microchip on the official pcb which marks the whole battery as being a failed pack. And junks it / cannot restore or reset the condition. Because if there is such a firmware lock it could be pretty difficult to overcome, if the brand name used some closed or custom chip. That was proprietary, and a read-only type deal. So these are the ways to get around paying the full $300 whack for official batteries. Without sacrificing even half as much of the quality performance etc. So if you can find the justifications to make it worth your while to cover THAT... but of course these solutions require a lot more time and efforts. Modifying etc. And how easy it is depends a lot on which brand name system you are on. I would expect that Makita and milwaukeee are probably easier to do than something like ryobi. And I could not find a battery 'kit' for ryobi when searching today. Although it does indeed have open source 3d models for printing. You would still need a pcb for it etc. I did not investigate ryobi enough as i dont use them myself, only makita.

Is your leaf blower a HP Type tool? You can tell by the extra tabs inside the battery connector. Non HP have 2 tabs but the HP tools have 4 tabs. If it is a HP battery i wonder if the extra tabs are just for show and dont actually provide any extra current. All the tools I own are brushless but only my 184cm circular saw has the extra tabs inside.

I bought a similar Ryobi knockoff by accident, the pic was sketchy and didn't realize it. the only gripe I have is they fit too tight, at first I couldn't even get them out, had to put a small c clamp on the buttons and still had to bust a nut to get them out. i did the old machinist trick of sanding off the areas that showed contact marks. it was better but the dang buttons still have stronger spring tension and where the buttons click in they have a more angled gripper so they still hang. mine have a little different color scheme than these so probably different mfg. if I could just get them fitted better they perform great

Sick to death of paying exorbitant price for Ryobi batteries. Been using 'knockoffs' for 2 years now and never had a failure. More than happy to continue with the cheaper batteries, thanks.

Very biased. Cost vs quality is always a trade off. Personally the cheap version has never failed me.

Instruction on knockoff battery- DO NOT DISASSEMBLE .....I love your response- "that's problematic" I knew I was going to watch the entire video after that. Good job mate.

i got my 12ah Milwaukee battery from China (custom build with Sony vtc6 battery 21700), after my runtime test , it matches the capacity, (i use my genuine 3ah battery as comparison). after disassemble, the aftermarket one has a worse motherboard, just like yours in the video, thin leads, looks awful welding. But at the end of the day, i paid like 80AUD for that, which 12ah cost 249$ locally. But i only had it for a couple month, who knows what would happen in the long run. The takeaway is, it's great for people just starting getting into tools, then use this money to buy the genuine one. i am sure we're getting ripped off by buying the genuine one if we're just talking about how much it actually cost to make one, but we can make sure we're getting the warranty which is the most important thing, also a peace of mind, coz it is less like to catch a fire in your tool trailer/box due to poor design inside.

In regards to fitment of battery... You did take it apart, maybe your assembly was wrong? I'd of tried fitment before disassembly. Also I bought my 9ah official Ryobi batteries for $74 each on sale a year or so ago. Think I had to get 4 pack for that price.

You are so Biased toward Ryobi that you can't even see it. Come back when you can speak 1 sentence without going on a tangent about how bad the knockoff is before you've ever even tried it out!

I have a 2 amp black&Decker 20V knock off and it works great, better than the 1amp that came with my drill!

16:30 the 100 cycle discharge/charge test, was the video on this ever released? I can’t find it.

Wow, why so many hateful comments on such a good video? I sure would be curious if those HP pins on the clone actually do anything. If you do anymore testing with the LED light it would be a good idea to crack the two halves open, it gets pretty warm after running for a while.

Good afternoon Mr.HBPowerwall, I checked your page for the 100 charge/decharge results on the knockoff battery. Did you manage to get these done? I have a 18v Makita fan basically identical to what you used in the video that I use when I go camping once in a blue moon here in South Australia so these results are fantastic for me. I'm considering a cheap ebay Makita battery for the fan, not much amperage load on the battery from the fan at lowest-mid setting. I certainly wouldn't use a knock off in my power tools, but I think this might be good enough for cooling the camp tent over night and I am happy with roughly 30 odd percent loss A/H for a much, much cheaper price. I would really appreciate your opinion on my thoughts if you have the time. I also appreciate the video, good content thank you Sir.

I've got aftermarket 6ah one and it doesn't fall out. Makes a good locking click in. In fact my genuine, current gen Ryobi 2.5ah fluro yellow/grey with power gauges are the ones with poor quality. The snap in causes the tops of the battery to contact the inside of the tool, cracking it. Now I've got this one with a busted top, a wad of plastic broke off from this, and the other 2.5ah with a hairline crack about to follow suit. These days I'm easing these batteries in rather than snapping them in like they were designed to... The insides of the battery inserts on the tool should be terminated with rubber

Don't really have an issue with aftermarket batteries in most of my tools but I can tell you using them in a impact is where you will notice the difference. Two aftermarket batteries being used in my half inch impact had separated the bands from individual cells in the batteries from vibration

I bought 2 m12 6.0 generic batteries on Amazon for 19.95. They look and fit great. I took one apart and it has all brand new sanyo cells.

be interested to see how well the knock off lasts, I got 3 year old Ryobi battery that I last charge and used over a year ago (shoved in back of the drawer and forgot about) and it's still got charge and can't tell the difference between it and my few months old new battery. the follow up video out yet? I can;t find it.

Tldr: Light battery for light duty.. Then use you good battery's for your power tools. Yeah that's a fuseable link.

ive actually tried one. they work but mine stopped working after a year tempted to take it apart.

That is an interesting video. Where is your follow-up video on the multitude of deep charge and discharge for these batteries? Went to your KZfaq page and could not find this test. Please Supply a link. Thank you and best wishes

Sometimes these knock off batteries make sense. I have some 18v Porter Cable tools that are no longer supported (their tools are now 20v). Buying generic batteries keep me from having to scrap these older tools. So far the generic have held up way better that expected.

The big 6 amp and 9 amp batteries are for the big power draw tools. I feel the difference in my circ saw, 1/2” impact wrench etc. testing it on an led light isn’t very helpful. Although I do appreciate the time and effort it takes to buy these things and make the videos, so thanks!

I'm sure there are some electronic features in the original that doesn't exist in the knockoff batteries. Learnt that Milwaukees batteries has an automatic fuse that protects both the machine and the batteries from occurring faults on the machine. And that didn't exist in the knockoffs that I bought, which resulted in 2 batteries burned and the trigger switch for the machine got destroyed. I only found that out because I bought a new original battery and tested the machine before I found the damaged part. Only cost me 50 USD to buy a new trigger and the machine was worth it because it cost me 1,000 USD when I bought it.

How did the Charge/Discharge Cycle test turn out? I looked for the follow-up, but didn’t fine it. If these batteries performed as well as the 4 ah Ryobi batteries… and where reliable at least for a few years, I would pick up two to have as backup, and use while waiting for the Ryobi Batteries to recharge… or when I use multiple tools at once. All my best.

Here in NZ I have used Milwaukie KO batteries and they have performed as well as the branded ones .But 2 Makita 3ah batteries failed to charge after only 2-3 months of use.KO batteries are a risk but probably worth it

I have a 1 year old vanon 4ah battery and now it won't even run my circular saw with any working load without stopping on low voltage cutoff. There are no more amps left in it. My 5 year old Ryobi battery is still running strong with plenty of amps to power heavier duty tools.

I don't want this to come across the wrong way, but perhaps you should have tried the fitment of the knockoff battery in the chargers and the tools right out of the box and prior to disassembly. That way you know for sure whether the poor fitment is due to manufacturing or if something was slightly misaligned during reassembly.

My Ryobi original P103 battery finally died - the replacements were sold as a 2 pack for $150 - I bought a clone 2 pack for $60 . Are they as good - probably not but they still work fine and cost 35% of the originals.

Because of you tube I have just watched 2 video from 2 years back about VANON setting you up , now I've searched your channel and there was never an update , was there any news ? Did they make battery specially for your video? We're you silenced?

I stupidly tried the knockoff Ryobi and DeWalt batteries. Junk. Yeah, they worked I guess, but as you demonstrated, NONE of the knockoffs "snapped" in the charger or tools and that drives me nuts ! The big difference was the longevity. The knockoffs do not last and will stop accepting full charge too soon. Great video here, it I was already convinced based on my attempt at going cheap. Not again. They run the real thing on sale frequently, so I just wait for sales.

anyone see at 4:01 that the one bent red wire is missing insulation at the bend.

I had issues with 2 genuine 5 Ah battery, I might have left it overnight on the charger and both died on me. Not sure what happened but I lost the receipt(my fault) so there is no replacing. Tried to dismantle and tested the voltage for batteries, all good, must be the board fried or something. Those batteries are just so expensive...

Bought a cheap knockoff 4ah Ryobi clone. Problem was that my Ryobi chargers would not charge it. Vendor sent another one. At first, it too would not charge, but after sitting in charger for a while it finally charged. I do not have enough usage on it to give a good review yet. Was just giving a heads up on these cheap batteries.

Funny thing about Ryobi, they are widely known as bargain basement tools and batteries, only just above supermarket own brands and cheap Chinese knock offs from China. What made them so popular was they pushed the 'share a small number of batteries between a large number of tools' so much (probably only Worx pushes it more) it made them a prime choice rather than a cheap option...