You're so right man! It's too bad that jpen is irrelevant now with the bigger, plastic balls :(

Pen hold was history..

@@matahati6556 I disagree! Can we recall the last 2 JPenholders WTTC Single Champions? Kohno and Ono won the 1977 and 1979 WTTC Single. Ono did not last long but he was certainly the best player for at least 2 years. Kohno was consistently great for at least 10 years. Kohno retired after 1977. Do you know after 1989, the penholders were slaughtered by the Swedish and the Chinese national coaches said that to counter the Swedish players, a penholder must have the skills of the Great Kohno. Too bad, we have not seen a JPenholder who can match the skills and mental toughness of the 1977 World Champion.

I hope Jpen will return soon

@@bananaapple9698 Not anytime soon with the current balls

유승민이 마린이랑 왕리친과 잘비비는듯하네요

@IloIoIoIIoIloIIollIolIoIlolI They were playing with the 40mm larger ball in this match.

2004 아테네 안봤음?? 오히려 왕리친을 못잡아서 아쉬웠는데 뭔소리?

@@fnfnfgn8218 영상에 나온 대회에서는 왕리친 잡고 결승에서 왕하오한테 졌어요

왕하오와의 상대전적이...

Rsm forehand power is world best

I like to play with Jpen than Cpen

Pen holder

While I agree nobody wins an olympic gold by luck, US Open isn't really the pinnacle of table tennis...

@@jankay8569 You know what? Sometimes, not saying anything and keeping silent prevents you from revealing the lack of knowledge or even intelligence. It looks like you're referring to the current pathetic US Open that's essentially a village party for the US players and some third-tier international players. But back in 2004, US Open was still an official ITTF Pro Tour event that attracted all the top players from the world, including the Chinese National Team members. They were regularly participating in it prior to 2004, but they have allegedly decided not to in order to not reveal their tactics with only a few months remaining until the Olympic Games. Ryu won that event by beating Chuan Chi-Yuan of Chinese Taipei, but more importantly, he raised his world ranking to #4 to attain a very advantageous seeding in the Olympic Games, and the rest is history.

the first gen of c-pen holders uses forehand side block for the backhand as Liu Guoliang, Ma Lin, from Wang Hao to Xu xin I consider 2n gen of c-pen, using the other side to return backhands

Surely not. Neither of them hold positive record with Chinese penholders in the same period. Ryu for example, this match is his 1 of 2 victories against Ma Lin while he lost to Ma Lin 16 times. His record to Wang Hao is also 2:14. Chinese is always the dominant penhold national from 1960's to present, perhaps except late 1970's and early 1990's.

Waldner did the work for Ryu. Waldner defeated the favorite Ma Lin. Ryu would not have much a chance against Ma Lin. If you don't believe me, look up the h/h between Ma Lin and Ryu. Of course, Waldner did not do too good against Ma either but Waldner found a way to win on that particular day. It was very hard to beat Ma Lin in his prime.

@@benthekeeshond545 There's so many stupid things you said here I dont even know how to reply lol.

The fastest ever I think in the 2000’s

2 last legendary penhold players

Oh sang eun - kor

to wipe off sweat from their hands

rubadubwise NOt only to wipe off sweat. They make this action to have a better feeling about the table. like some kind of "communication", and have a relax.

+Joshxc They pick their nose and don't know what to do with boogers. So they just put them on the table.

Mash Monster

Touch wood :-)

この時代はグルーOKでしたね。 翌年からダメになったような気がします。

I think he defeatead Ryu years later when the korean was decreasing his level. Both in his prime Ryu was way better imo

@@ksojoel tabletennis.guide/alldata.php?name=seungmin-ryu-108098 tabletennis.guide/alldata.php?name=lin-ma-105648 Ma Lin was usually ranked higher.

@@ksojoel chronic knee injury held him back later in his career afaik

Besides, what's wrong with ML? Why is he so angry every time Ryu wins a hard point? Ryu did nothing against rules.

@@Geno_Whirl so many lucky point！

Tidak

다음 왕리친 경기때도 그럼 ㅋㅋㅋㅋ

during speed glue era yes...

ksojoel, How do you compare the two players and how did you get to your conclusion? Are you picking the better player by their losing record? I mean, losing more often. Have you checked to see their h/h results? According to you, the better of the 2 players possesses a near 1/5 L/W record against the weaker player.

@@christianadriananiceta2753 Not true either. Ma Lin triumphed over Ryu all the time. However, Ryu played a good match here.

@@benthekeeshond545 all the time? what ..

@@christianadriananiceta2753 Speed glue or not, when Ma played against Ryu, Ma usually came out on top. That is what I was trying to say.

41:17

Its what happens sometimes when you know the opponent is great.

@@Badkhela Ryu was a very good player but I wouldn't classify him as great. It would be unfair to compare Ryu to Ma Long, Xu Xin, or Zhang Jike. However, check out his h/h records against his contemporaries Ma Lin, Wang Hao, and Wang Li Qin. Let's say, he occasionally won.

@@benthekeeshond545 i see

TOM LIU Ryu earned bronze in 2008 and Silver in Teams 2012

Iii