S&S Diesel Motorsport Ford CP4.2 Bypass Kit Explained

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5 жыл бұрын

We've been seeing a lot of questions, and even doubts, on how the S&S Diesel Motorsport Ford CP4.2 Bypass Kit safeguards the high-pressure fuel system from debris as a result of a CP4.2 pump failure. So, here's the nuts and bolts of how it works, and why every 6.7 Power Stroke-equipped truck should have the original, USA-made, CARB-compliant, "Disaster Prevention Kit."
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@dnlpark Жыл бұрын

I hope something like this will come out for the recently recalled Jeep Ecodiesel Wranglers and Gladiators

@jonnyrocket262 4 жыл бұрын

why doesnt ford recall the part or at least make a new cp4 pump with guides so the plungers don't turn any more to create this problem?

@floydwilliams3321 3 жыл бұрын

That’s good information man

@aaronluper6430 4 жыл бұрын

Can someone help find me a install video

@tony17601 2 жыл бұрын

What is your opinion of the denso HP4 pump on the L5P duramax? Is it more durable than the CP4 and is it subject to a complete fuel system contamination in the event of a failure? Thanks.

@bluemaruder001 2 жыл бұрын

I am on the fence about adding this to my 16 Powerstroke. Do you have any documented failures of the CP4 using the Gen2 system to see if any debris actually made it to the rails, injectors, tank etc.

@SSfueled Жыл бұрын

This may come a little late, but there are documented reports of our kit working. Better than that, we failed the pump on our own truck just to be 100% sure it works in a real-world scenario. You can find that video here: kzfaq.info/sun/PLlq8CYbrVSmYzpCnWsUJQAWUbwSY6hhTZ

@twood2232 4 жыл бұрын

Great info

@GarageGeek 4 жыл бұрын

Does this work with the 2019 Ram?

@mainstreetmotorselkhart2920 4 жыл бұрын

Is this kit better than the Exergy INLET METERING VALVE with the upgraded screens?

@colinkensley 4 жыл бұрын

Hi will this kit work on the cp4 as found in the vw audi cars

@sdub300 5 жыл бұрын

Where are you seeing these failures, in the motorsport area or in regular work areas?

@landonleon5381 2 жыл бұрын

Is there a pump upgrade I can buy that wouldn't need the bypass disaster kit?

@4-LOW 4 жыл бұрын

What about the 2020 Gen 3 EcoDiesel in the Ram 1500?

@norman_sage2528 4 жыл бұрын

So, normally the lift pump feeds the bottom end of the cp4 first. In your system fuel travels back to the tank. Therefore, the lift pump feeds both the bottom end and the top end independently. Why couldn't the manufacturer build a pump that uses engine oil to lube the bottom end separately?

@sunsetblvdbagger6433 4 жыл бұрын

I use a exergy metering valve, keep ur truck above half tank add a good fuel stabilizer n fillup at a place that gos through alot of diesel fuel n ul b just fine.

@danielreynoso8981 3 жыл бұрын

Do you have a Disaster Prevention Kit for a 2016 Duramax?

@prestonosceola4092 4 жыл бұрын

Will this work with a FASS fuel system?

@levismith8 3 жыл бұрын

do you have something for the 2019 ram 2500

@floydwilliams3321 3 жыл бұрын

Any idea what pump is in a 2020 ram 3500 if not how Can I find out

@TimothyAppel1 4 жыл бұрын

Would this work for the BMW N57?

@bambikiller2011 Жыл бұрын

So when adding the return filter to the gen 1 kit is it as effective? How much more flow does the gen2 kit provide? Is it better to just go ahead and get a new Gen 2 kit and new fuel line?

@SSfueled Жыл бұрын

Adding a return filter assembly to an original bypass kit protects your return lines, tank, and supply pump. The one potential flaw in the original kit that we have seen a few times out of thousands sold, is that if the return circuit in the CP4 gets completely blocked with metal, there is a chance for some metal to back-feed through the bypass block and into the FCA. Our Gen2 and 2.1 kits move the split off point upstream from the pump to prevent any back-feeding even if the return clogs. We have not tested the flow of the original compared to the Gen2, but we have tested a stock CP4 with and without the Gen2 kit, and discovered that the Gen2 kit increases output of a stock CP4 from 3,000 - 4,000 RPM. If you want the best protection, get a complete Gen2.1 kit, but keep in mind that anytime the fuel system is open there is a risk of contamination. It may not be worth the risk if you can just add the return filter and get most of the protection of the Gen2.1.

@josiahvanopstal9435 2 жыл бұрын

Does this restrict flow in anyway? I’ve heard that on big pump & injector trucks obviously going for big numbers that these actually restrict fuel flowing. Any truth to this?

@INBINC 4 жыл бұрын

I installed mine today. Good product. Couple of things wish were addressed before hand..hope they help others. 1- instructions are almost identical to that of Accurate Diesel kit...meaning no torque specs provided...on something with high pressure..tightening without it feels subpar. 2- biggest time consumer was getting the notch and casting flash removed so the lower intake would sit without sitting on the metering unit. No instructions indicating how much to grind off. I was careless enough to grind away and make a small hole in the intake! Good thing for JB epoxy! By the time i was done the intake still sat on the metering unit...oh well keeps it from going anywhere ha. 3-follow the instructions and do not tighten the flange side of braided line until you have secured the line..lots of movement required at the end and dont want to end up tightening in wrong position. Just wish they made a single supply line that required no cutting. Just swap sensors and good to go. Good product and thanks for the extra orings.

@rvadventures 4 жыл бұрын

I was interested in this for both my trucks but to grind on my intake to make this kit work it's not the way I want to go. American made means it's correct from the developer and should be a bolt on kit not a customization application. Thanks for the heads up.

@pauljordan756 3 жыл бұрын

Are these available for GM LML Duramax?

@Mr42960 4 жыл бұрын

Forgive my ignorance. I understand you now supply fuel from the filter housing but how will that prevent fretted metal particles from being discharged with the high pressure fuel into the rails? Wouldn't a high pressure filter assembly work better?

@SSfueled Жыл бұрын

Great question. That would work great, yet to create a filter that can withstand extreme pressure has not been developed, if even possible. The required size to filter fine particles and not become a restriction would be massive due to the wall thickness needed to hold the pressure in. We have found that sending the case fuel back through a return filter directly after the pump works best.

@mikes7745 7 ай бұрын

So the kit protects against debris going back to the fuel tank, but doesn't prevent debris going from the pump into the high pressure rail and injectors? @@SSfueled

@SSfueled 7 ай бұрын

No, all versions of our Disaster Prevention Kit block off pump case flow to the VCV (which feeds the high-pressure plungers). The VCV is then fed with clean fuel right from the stage 2 fuel filter. We improved on this design with our Gen2 and Gen2.1 DPKs by adding factory quick connects for easy install and a return filter that contains the debris if a failure happens. What we failed to explain in our previous comment is that normally the VCV (volume control valve) is fed fuel from the CP4 case, which is where the metal is generated when a failure occurs. Our DPKs block off that feed port and feed the VCV independently from the case. The case is still lubricated with fuel flow and the plungers get clean fuel from the filter. @@mikes7745

@jforu33 4 жыл бұрын

How are we to see from 8 feet away??

@DS-TRUCKS Жыл бұрын

Can u go on powerstroke tech talk podcast?

@justinrice6924 4 жыл бұрын

Do they make a kit for the Duramax?

@jonmarshall272 Жыл бұрын

I have a couple questions for you guys at S&S. What is the micron rating of the return fuel filter you add? More importantly, when a hpfp fails, what micron range is the metal that is produced by the failure?

@SSfueled Жыл бұрын

Great question. We failed a CP4 on our test bench to get a debris sample for analysis. Particles found ranged from 0.675 micron up to 859 micron, with the average particle size being 20.3 micron. The Donaldson return filter we use has an official rating of 9 micron at 99% efficiency, yet further testing shows that actual efficiency rating for 9 micron is 99.575%, for 7 micron is 99%, and for 4 micron is 94.7%. Per the particle testing, 23.8% of the total volume of debris was under 8.68 micron, 20.28% was under 7.64 micron, and 3.12% was under 4.33 micron. This is a long answer to your question, but we want to present the exact data. In summary, 96.88% of the CP4 debris is 4.33 micron or larger, and our return filter is 94.7% efficient at catching the 4 micron particles and 99.575% efficient at catching the 9 micron + particles.

@jonmarshall272 Жыл бұрын

@@SSfueled i appreciate the long answer. This is the exact nerdy data I was looking for! Thanks so much!!! Keep up the good work!

@mikethemedic4141 10 ай бұрын

@@SSfueled At micron level would you expect to have injector and regulator failures?

@SSfueled 9 ай бұрын

We do not have enough data to give an exact size. Based on our in-truck testing, the 9-micron DPK return filter and factory Motorcraft supply filters were sufficient at containing any particles that could cause damage. We pulled and tested an injector and it was in perfect health.

@simpsonfarms7948 2 жыл бұрын

Will this kit hook up to the hs Motorsport aftermarket upper fuel filter housing kit?

@rangervapes571 Жыл бұрын

Yes, I have both. HS Motorsport system only removes the cheap plastic filter so no modifications affect the installation of the Disaster Prevention kit, regardless of manufacturer

@johnmazza9432 3 жыл бұрын

Doesn't the fuel need to pass through the bottom end of the pump in order to be pressurized ? And what happens when you restrict all that fuel that is fed to the bottom of the pump ? Doesn't that create some kind of back pressure that could cause damage ?

@johnmazza9432 3 жыл бұрын

@@SSfueled Thank you. Isn't there any way of filtering the fuel as it exits the pump and goes to the injectors or back to the tank ?

@stangrzeskowiak8734 3 жыл бұрын

Being from Alaska and pulling trucks and equipment in and out of hot garage two very cold outside air. You end up with a lot of moisture problems and freezing in the fuel. Is easily dealt with with a tank drain in the sump of the fuel tank. It seems like all the cp4 problems can be solved with a drain in the fuel tank that is just drained periodically to remove contaminants. Fuel containing water is heavier than fuel that doesn't so even that settles to the bottom of the tank overnight. If these guys drain to 1/2 gallon out of the bottom of the tank once a week or 5 fill ups they wouldn't have these problems

@heberclementiii6788 5 жыл бұрын

Great Video. I have a 2011 Dmax . I installed the Fuel savor Metering Valve by Wehrli. Do you guys make a kit for the Duramax or planning on doing so? Thanks, Heber

@Mebob2001 4 жыл бұрын

@@SSfueled what if you made a kit that placed a block in place of the metering valve, that went up to another plate where a fuel system saver went and a 2 mircon filter that than supplied fuel to the heads on the cp4.2? i know it would be a bit of a challange but it would help catch alot of the metal, mabey even integrate a sensor that if it detects any metal in the fuel it will give the driver a warning?

@dusttodust1522 4 жыл бұрын

SS Fueled I still do not understand what the fix is for the LML, can you explain a little further please? I have a LML.

@jforu33 4 жыл бұрын

Great video??

@yellow04 3 жыл бұрын

G-male Gun cp3 swap

@naten555 Жыл бұрын

You guys should make a kit for the Gen2 3.0 TDI in q5,q7, cayenne, touareg, and few other vw cars. That has the cp4.2

@manuel509rios Жыл бұрын

The bypass plate fits, I was able to adapt it to the 3.0 tdi, just rerouted the lines

@naten555 Жыл бұрын

@@manuel509rios metering valve won’t fit tho

@manuel509rios Жыл бұрын

@@naten555 the new version will fit not this one

@naten555 7 ай бұрын

@@manuel509rios are you saying the old S&S bypass plate fits (gen 1) but the new version (gen 2.1) wont? Or are you talking about the metering valve. I'm aware i need to get a 90 degree one metering valve to fit under the intake manifold.

@conniechapin9278 4 жыл бұрын

Why no make a way to keep the roller from turning. Thus preventing the failure.

@treesquatch9150 3 жыл бұрын

IKR just fix the problem in the pump

@johncooper9421 3 ай бұрын

How do you keep clean fuel in the bottom in the pump? The pump is cooled and lubricantes through the fuel coming through the system?

@SSfueled 3 ай бұрын

This is our original Disaster Prevention Kit that blocks off flow from the case to the VCV, and then taps into the fuel supply before entering the pump case. Pump case flow is not changed. We've since upgraded to a Gen2.1 DPK that taps into supply 25 inches up-stream rather than at the pump directly. You can find a flow path drawing here: ssdiesel.com/wp-content/uploads/2022/03/SS-Gen2.1-Bypass-Kit-Diagram.pdf

@johncooper9421 3 ай бұрын

@@SSfueled thank you

@DS-TRUCKS Жыл бұрын

Wow.

@steveholloway8576 Жыл бұрын

2015 ,6.7 do I have the 3 or the 4 ? Crew cab Platty

@SSfueled Жыл бұрын

All 6.7 Power Strokes use a CP4.2.

@masonburgess7122 Жыл бұрын

My S&S kit vibrates and hums at idle. Gets pretty annoying. Any solution to fixing this?

@SSfueled 3 ай бұрын

You're hearing the PCV venting fuel from the rail into the return filter. We added rubber isolators to mitigate the vibration. Please make sure that the the lines going to the return filter are not touching the brake booster or anything else.

@onthecheap6292 2 жыл бұрын

How does the fuel still get in to the crankcase of the pump to lubricate it and cool it how is it still flowing through there

@SSfueled 2 жыл бұрын

Great question. The bypass block feeds the case and the metering unit both. We have since redesigned our kit to have a Y further upstream from from the pump, to prevent any back-feeding if the pump case completely clogs with metal. Here's a great drawing that explains. ssdiesel.com/wp-content/uploads/2022/03/SS-Gen2.1-Bypass-Kit-Diagram.pdf

@onthecheap6292 2 жыл бұрын

@@SSfueled and the feed to the crankcase does that return unfiltered if the crankcase destroys itself

@SSfueled 2 жыл бұрын

@@onthecheap6292 due to positive pressure (roughly 60 psi) on the supply to the case it is not possible for contaminated fuel to travel back up stream to the Y portion. Return coming out of the case goes to our Gen2.1 filter head.

@TheRiverRat96 Жыл бұрын

Had the exact same question and was hoping someone asked it and got an answer. Thank you kind sir 👍🏼

@cowboyhog8641 2 жыл бұрын

How does this product affect your warranty?

@SSfueled Жыл бұрын

We can't claim that it will not void your warranty, as it is 100% up to Ford. We have had reports of pumps being warrantied with our kit installed.

@moosergs 4 жыл бұрын

I'm sure the man giving the information is very knowledgeable. But I did not understand much of what he was saying even though I kind of understand what the disaster kit does. I need some drawings!!!

@kilafranz 3 жыл бұрын

Will this void warranty? I have a 2020 6.7 f350.

@gradoisx2348 3 жыл бұрын

It really depends on your dealership. If the dealership agrees to install it i imagine that it would be okay. However if you installed it and then have a failure, they could blame you for introducing contaminates into your fuel syatem while installing.

@landongooding7461 3 жыл бұрын

Just trying to buy the damn thing.... why no link in the description?? Frustrating

@NycCitizen 3 жыл бұрын

The reason why there is low confidence that this will solve the problem is becuase it sends metal particles back thru the tank. The particles smaller than 20 microns will pass thru the lift pump filter and the particles smaller than 5 microns will pass thru the engine bay filter as the contaminated fuel recirculates thru the DPK fuel return line. This means that 4 micron and below particles will sand blast the rollers and injectors ....the wife spread failure will still occur via the large quantity of sub 5 micron particles that neither filter will trap. A 1 or 2 micron filter between the engine bay filter and the fuel pump will help trap 5 to 2 micron particles. But even then,you would still ha r a large amount of 1 or 2 micron particles thru out this system and that will result in the need to replace everything anyway. The best cure for co4 disaster prevention is to switch back to a gas truck and toss the deisel truck over the fence.

@ericalford6799 2 жыл бұрын

Is there any proof that it works?

@ericalford6799 2 жыл бұрын

@@SSfueled I have heard of failures with the gen 1 system so was wondering if this one was better

@ericalford6799 2 жыл бұрын

@@SSfueled have there been many reports of fails with gen 2? And what do they typically cost to get installed?

@dwelch4321 3 жыл бұрын

How is this different from the CP4.2 Fuel Reroute Disaster Prevention Kit - Powerstroke 6.7L, That Engineered Diesel .com puts out? They have a better KZfaq video. I get what your saying however I can’t see threw the metal and your hands.

@xenith0351 3 жыл бұрын

Please please please buy a lapel mic

@Jagshemasher 4 жыл бұрын

So fundamentally the design of the fuel pump is shit in the first place - the roller should have been designed so the could not rotate. Why isn't there a class action suit against the designers/manufacturers?

@Jagshemasher 4 жыл бұрын

@@SSfueled - You're being way too polite. One look at how this was designed with a roller bearing on a cam lobe and nothing to prevent the piston from rotating tells you its a disaster waiting to happen. A helical screw design would have been better - progressively increases pressure without pulsations. Surprisingly Bosch have made 60 million CP4's - it would be interesting to see the failure stats.

@treesquatch9150 3 жыл бұрын

The "lubricity" in the diesel fuel is not what it was in the "sulfur" days

@mikeparrish9364 3 жыл бұрын

Anyone who has had a Chevrolet diesel with a fuel pump failure should go to www.hbsslaw.com to join a class action lawsuit to get CHevy to own up to the problem.

@roughout 2 жыл бұрын

Get better audio and move your display in front of you so you don't keep turning the back of your head to the camera. I mean if you expect anyone to watch the video.