S4#15. BOOM FURLERS - The Shocking Truth. Portofino 52 Update.

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8 күн бұрын

Are boom furlers a "HAZARD that NEED to be avoided at all costs" or a fantastic addition to your boat that users will NEVER GO WITHOUT after learning how to use them?
This is the dilemma that we have been investigating for the last few months with information from the manufacturers and the experienced user of them....
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@winding1000 7 күн бұрын

Hello, I own a 56 ft mono hull sailboat with a new carbon fibre mast and boom with in boom furling . In the past two years I have sailed approximately 10,000 miles with this new to me system . 5000 miles of hard ocean sailing from the eastern Mediterranean >Lagos, Portugal >Horta>Nova Scotia. The in boom furling system we have is from Leisure Furl New Zealand which is an entirely different company than Leisure Furl USA, Our system is powered by an hydraulic motor at the aft end of the boom attached to a carbon fibre mandral. Having an electric motor is another option but we already had an hydraulic system on our boat . Two comments in your recent episode I would like to address . 1: the manufacturer says “ no need for a topping lift”. From my experience , this is partially correct. In light to moderate winds with flat seas the topping lift is not necessary when furling the mainsail . One the other hand , if you are making an ocean passage in bumpy windy conditions a topping lift is critical when you are reefing. The topping will pull the boom the up as the hydraulic boom vang pulls down. This keeps the boom steady at the proper angle. Without the topping lift ,as the boat hobby horses in the seas the hydraulic vang can compress somewhat due to the boat motion and the weight of the boom. As you furl ,you risk having the mainsail moving forward on the mandral due to the angle of the boom changing and then the sail potentially can jam up against the the gooseneck / mast. We always have a person at the mast to watch the furl in those offshore conditions. 2: the manufacturer says if you have a problem with the mainsail ie. power issue etc “ just drop the mainsail down , easy” . Usually this problems arise in adverse conditions. Because the sail is not attached to the mast with mainsail cars / slides , but instead a bolt rope attached to the main luff, when dropping the mainsail it can easily get out of control , especially when one is short handed in windy conditions . The chances of being forced to lower the main because of issues should be minimal. Overall , I am very happy with the in boom furling system . It is simple as easy to use but there is definitely a learning curve . Slab reef is foolproof but more effort. I hope this information is helpful and looking forward to the launching of your new catamaran, congratulations.

@barefootdoctorssailing8567 6 күн бұрын

Thanks for those im[portant details, Winding! I was led to believe that a hydraulic vang will hold the boom at the same point and avoid vertical pounding in waves... Your experience is that despite the hydraulic vang you still got significant movement to ruin the 87* angle? Raffaele is talking of having a camera on the mandril to be able to see how it is furling if you are short handed or very rough. Certainly containing the dropped sail if the Furler stops working when the weather is bad would be a major challenge.... Great to hear your feedback after such extensive sailing with a boom Furler - thanks very much!

@winding1000 6 күн бұрын

@@barefootdoctorssailing8567 Yes, that has been my experience.

@barefootdoctorssailing8567 5 күн бұрын

Thanks - we will try to check that out and hope that our works without that problem.... Fingers crossed!

@WillN2Go1 8 күн бұрын

You have the right approach to almost anything: You spoke with the people who make them. (The one's that didn't want to talk? Avoid their product. Why don't they want to talk?) You found people who have them and like them. I've sailed and replaced, splice reefing lines. At sea on long voyages chaffing is rampant. So fewer lines is a huge improvement. Looks like a great set up. And less weight on the mast or high up? Always a plus. That pendulum effect is significant. Hold something like a ceramic coffee mug over your head and wave it around . It's weight is insignificant compared to your's-- and yet you can feel that movement being compensated for in your knees. Just waving your hand nothing is going on at your knees. I've got Selden in mast furling on my 46' Hunter. During the sea trial the previous owner cranked it out of the mast, groaning and screeching. Okay. I remembered what he told me. For insurance I had to hire a captain to go down the coast with me. He refused to follow any of the instructions I'd learned, and immediately jammed it. No main sail for 400 nMiles. I found it unreliable as well. Two riggers, who know more than I will ever know, came on board. Said they were a problem, but got it to work... Neither of them mentioned tightening up the rig. I later found out about this and did it. My dock neighbor has the same rig and loves it. Okay. I have a positive case. Then I said I'm not stepping off this boat till I sort this. A bit of this and that and I figured it out. Now it's 100% reliable. I can unfurl furl, reef. Love it. (If I sell my boat, I will make sure the new owner is proficient before I leave.) Uninformed opinions? Often negative and pervasive. I don't have a sailbag, jacklines, reefing lines. My sails are 20 years old and in great shape. They're always stowed out of the sun and rain, no mildew spots. I'd need a really good reason to switch to anything else. Many many people have default attitude of nay saying. There's a KZfaq couple that has a lazy jack 'solution' that spreads them out a bit more by using an attachment to the stays to open up the spread. It's very clever. I've craned my neck looking up at a lot of sails going up and down with the stays getting 'hooked'. This has taught me a couple of things. First, I've yet to meet anyone who's seen this video who thinks it's a good idea. Second, jack stays are an endless problem with battens. No one bothers to solve the problem (except that couple.) I sailed on a boat where I'd yell, 'stop' because a batten was about to hang up. Before it would clear that person would always press the button just enough to catch the batten. He can't simply be nuts, can he? My girlfriend's boat has lazy jacks. Someone says, 'stop, wait.' She stops and waits. So simple. One thing I love about sailing is you absolutely can fix something in a novel way that works. Sometimes you later discover there's a different, better way and you go with that. But just coming up with a fresh idea that works, even if it's not the best way is still exciting. I don't know anything about boom furlers, so I won't say yeah or nay. But you've done your homework. Downside? It's more expensive. You only have to buy it once. Can't wait to see it working on your new boat.

@clivestainlesssteelwomble7665 8 күн бұрын

👍🏼 thank you for that explanation .. I think a lot of folks forget that sail handling on a performance vessel gets more difficult ... that's more so as we get older and accidents happen.

@barefootdoctorssailing8567 8 күн бұрын

Thanks Will for all that great info. In mast furlers seem to be on every charter monohull here in the Med so clearly they have solved the problems effectively now! WRT battens - why don’t they just keep the tips 1cm inside the leech and avoid all this hassle? Good communication between the up haul and viewer people is critical - and a bit of predictive anticipation helps too!

@Lighthouse6b 7 күн бұрын

I had two boats with Liesure Furl boom furlers. On was 49 feet the other was 64 feet. Obviously, I liked them. The sail must be loose and the boom must be at a correct angle or the sail will roll forward and jamb against the boom. On the smaller boat , I had no problems. On the bigger on, I did have 2 problems. First, the plastic shieves could not handle the loads and I replaced the with alloy shieves. The second problem was a sail loft problem. The battens would push through either end of the batten pocket. I had power winches and could easily reef the sail by myself with no difficulty. You can reef the sail at any batten by placing the batten at the bottom of the boom. Both the boats were purchased more than 20 years ago and I’m sure that the technology has improved over that time.

@barefootdoctorssailing8567 7 күн бұрын

Thanks so much for that great info and confirming the good points of the boom furlers and the potential rough points. Leisure furl has certainly been operating for ages so has fitted 3000 boom furlers (they say) so clearly they work and folks keep going back to get more!

@johnsmith4066 7 күн бұрын

Our previous yacht had a boom furler, but for the current boat we went for single line reefing (both 47- 50 feet aluminium monohull yachts). The boom furler never jammed or caused an issue, but there were two problems with this system. The first was only being able to reef when into wind and the second was a heavier than normal boom (this creates more momentum when gybing). One point I would make, is do not confuse simplicity of operation with overall simplicity. The former is excellent for in boom systems, but the latter is much worse. Also remember very large expensive boats with a reasonable sized crew have no option. They must fit an in-boom or in-mast reefing system. The sails are too large to handle otherwise. This is why in-boom systems are popular on expensive boats. It does not necessarily follow that this is the best system for a 52 foot yacht irrespective of cost. Good luck with your decision.

@barefootdoctorssailing8567 7 күн бұрын

Thanks John. Yes it is a difficult decision but the Maxspar system seems much more simple and easy than the others and eliminating the lines and direct drive to the mandrel reduces jamming risk. However, we will see when we are out on the water and as always - TIME WILL TELL!

@SailingREHAB 6 күн бұрын

Its a Slam Dunk for us ! We luv our leisure furl for our 14M performance Cat Cruising. Sure older technology but once you understand it you would never go back. Soo easy to raise and lower and Furling for me is a single handed operation even in 40 kt winds in the middle of the ocean. Low windage is a massive feature. We are only 9 Ton light so on a windy day we enjoy the ease of motoring into a crowded bay without being blown sideways 🙂 Number 1 thing to remember in the tropics is dont leave it rolled up for weeks / months if sail is rain wet. Always dry the Main sail before rolling away if leaving your boat for extended period because you dont want a moldy sail ! All the best ~ Paul

@barefootdoctorssailing8567 5 күн бұрын

Nice to hear from you again, Paul!!! Hope all is well on SV Rehab too! Nice to hear your good info about the Leisure furl working for you well! Advice taken on board - thanks!

@ianphillips3225 6 күн бұрын

Have a 52 foot boat with hydraulic vang and hydraulic carbon boom with boom furling. Main thing is the tension on the halyard when furling ( 1 loop on the winch); the correct boom angle ( raising and lowering) and a good tension of the clew which is snug and flat through the foot. Learnt my lessons with it the hard way, but totally confident and happy. Lastly, the most important this is patience in operation. Have a routine and stick to it.

@barefootdoctorssailing8567 5 күн бұрын

Thanks Ian confirming that your Furler is working well! What brand is it and do you have any trouble with the hydraulic vang changing the angle of the boom in waves as several others have described here?

@ianphillips3225 5 күн бұрын

@@barefootdoctorssailing8567 a NZ liesurfurl. Hydraulic vang is Rechmann/Holmatro. You can get a sensor fitted to the vang to give the precise and accurate boom angle. Mine runs into the B&G system. I also take the rake out of the rig by relaxing the backstay when raising or lowering the m/sail. Not ever instructed to but I just feel it all works smoother when the whole rig is at its perfect angel and there is no stress in the sail. Not ever seen any deviation of the angle when it’s set. ( I don’t understand why anyone would wait until conditions were that extreme to be trying to furl or reef a sail). Also use Harkan Sailkote every few times on the luffcoard when raising. Works a treat. Every time I’ve had a problem has been through impatience and not sticking to the routine. The other small trick is when furling, and you want to move the furling sail back in the mandrel? Use a bit more tension on the halyard as it passes over the winch. Normal is probably the pressure of squeezing toothpaste. Harder to move the luff back on the mandrel is about the pressure of a firm handshake. All the best.

@barefootdoctorssailing8567 4 күн бұрын

Very interesting Ian! We'll try that trick out and see if it works with the Maxspar!

@terrybaker8349 4 күн бұрын

We have a 43' cruising monohull. Originally fitted with a Hood boom furling system, we replaced the mast track with a Liesurefurl due to the Hood (plastic) track failure (UV damage). We took the opportunity to significantly over engineer the system and move to a 10mm bolt rope, which is more commonly used on yachts 2 or 3 times our size. This eliminated damage to the boot rope (previously 6mm) and allowed reefing in light to moderate breeze at all points of sail. Have using the boom furler for over 20 years and other than respecting the operational requirements (ie 87*) have no problems. One key area that you video didn’t mention is the ability to reef to any size. We sailed from Fremantle to Bali in 2022 and got hit with a 50 knot tail wind for 36 hours. Reefed the main to 10% sail area and continued sailing in a safe and controlled manner. A slab reef would have seen much more sail up or needed to be taken down completely. Between our boom furler main and a very heavy cloth stay sail we can sail in any weather.

@barefootdoctorssailing8567 4 күн бұрын

Thanks very much for that reassuring info, Terry. We did mention in our previous video about boom furlers, the freedom to have almost any size sail with the boom furlers, but I forgot to add it into the Pros this time! Thanks for the reminder!!!

@user-hv8ir2ef6r 8 күн бұрын

Brilliant and much needed video! You have saved so many people 100's of hours of research and frustration. Now all we need to remember is "Get Smart", Maxwell Smart, nice wqy to remember MaxSpars. Btw if you dont know who Maxwell Smart was and youre buying a large yacht, youve done very well hahaha

@barefootdoctorssailing8567 8 күн бұрын

Glad you liked it snd yes we are old enough to know Maxwell Smart!!!! Thanks!!!

@richardhill3035 7 күн бұрын

Just a comment that might make it easier to hoist the sales on your current boat where the battens get caught on the lazy jacks. The best and simplest solution I have seen for this, is to have them connected to the sail bag/boom on clips so that they may be easily detached and taken forward to the mast just before you raise the sail. Just take one side forward and keep the wind a little in the sail so that it’s this ‘clear side’ that the sail raises on. Then once sail is up just clip them back on. I saw this once on a test sail and it changed things completely for me. So simply. Hope this helps.

@barefootdoctorssailing8567 7 күн бұрын

Hi Richard, yes that is a great way to go and we did a similar thing on our 42 foot cat - pulled the leeward Lazyjacks forward to the mast during hoist and then replace after the hoist. It does work well but is just a hassle and you still have to be on the cabin top to do it....

@intnsbiker 8 күн бұрын

Another great informative video! A good choice and the customer service is definitely a critical factor. I've seen it work well on the Kinetic 54 but I don't recall the brand they use. keep these update videos coming! 👍

@barefootdoctorssailing8567 8 күн бұрын

Glad you liked it! Yes Randy and Lenny gave us their feedback on their experiences with their Kinetic 54 boom furler which was great!

@spacewalktraveller1 7 күн бұрын

Thanks for the videos, I really love watching you go through the build project of the Portofino 52. I can't wait to see her in the water and watching you both take off on your new adventure. I really wish you both the very best.

@barefootdoctorssailing8567 6 күн бұрын

Thanks for watching and we'll keep them coming!

@clivestainlesssteelwomble7665 8 күн бұрын

Nice one docs... And excellent input from WillNgo.. Learn what works and how it works.. The only sail form that i can think of thats simpler but doesnt apply in this case is the wharram type wing sail .. James was always very conservative/safety minded with his sail plans. The fact they zip round the masts and the masts require no spreaders means they need less standing rigging anyway The other form is the high performance biplane rig like that found on the NZ catamaran Cool change. There's also the Hitchiker series of cats and a couple of specials built by Dazcat Atlantic Marine that just use double furling fore sails... the latter was chosen for a wheelchair sailor/explorer. Effectively giving a single mast double wing rig...

@barefootdoctorssailing8567 8 күн бұрын

Yes Wharrams made cats accessible to everyone and a cheap and effective round the world cruiser! Amazing boats win their time….

@mangowalter8239 7 күн бұрын

I’m in totally agreement with getting a boom furller and the company you chose. You and Eli’s safety is my prime concern and I’m convinced this will keep you both safer. There’s no doubt you will master how it works and soon it will become second nature to you both!! Stay safe my friends 😊❤

@barefootdoctorssailing8567 7 күн бұрын

Nice to hear from you Mango! Thanks very much for your ongoing support!

@MrJerobona 7 күн бұрын

This a great episode! I always wanted a boom furler due to lower weight on the whole mast, better center of gravity, but never got to experience it and heard so many issues on jamming sails! This video answers almost everything! Thank you! You could even do a second one with more details!

@barefootdoctorssailing8567 7 күн бұрын

Glad you enjoyed it, Jero and we definitely will do one with the real thing and showing how it operates....

@MrJudgementday99 8 күн бұрын

Hi, Firstly another great and informative episode. Our experience is very different, we have had some great conversations with Jørn at Furlerboom, his English is not 100%, but better than our Danish. Personally I would recommend you visit Limassol, I have never been to anywhere with nearly as many in boom furlers and some very knowledgable people. I suspect a bit like you have experienced we found when talking to owners, they said it is a different concept and took some thought for the first few times, after that everyone said it is the best investment they have made in their yachts. We are convert, unfortunately unlike you the people making our 54 footer hat the idea and are vigorously pushing us away from them. Our yacht won’t have a kicker, so that may affect things

@barefootdoctorssailing8567 7 күн бұрын

Hi and thanks for the comment and info. Shame we did not get any response from John at Furlerboom but glad you had better luck. Glad your investigations about boom furlers from users was the same as ours and glad the horror stories that are on the internet are very likely to be purely due to inexperience and poor guidance before use..... Sorry to hear that your boat builder is not supporting your desire - but it seemed like Rapido did not support it either with their boats. Probably over time, more users and better designs will prove to the unbelievers that they do work, they are great and very reliable - even in mast furlers are now very standard on mponhulls in the charter fleets of the Med and that is to inexperienced people... Good luck with your discussions with your builders - it is your boat after all and you pay the money and take the risk. Our experience with the other boats we have built is when we have gone with the "experts" advice about what to do or fit, in the long term, our decision would have been better. To retro fit a boom Furler later is very expensive and wasteful of all the unneeded equipament....

@orlandoaliceamendez4362 4 күн бұрын

Thank you very much, just got a lesson 101 in Boom furls , Been watching for a couple of years all the channels waiting to retire to just buy and sail. Thanks very much I appreciate it.

@barefootdoctorssailing8567 4 күн бұрын

Great to hear, Alice! Good luck with your search for the boat to go sailing in - just remember to go early with a smaller less ideal boat which is much better than delaying as you try to find the ideal one, as often your perceptions change when you are actually out there doing it...

@limericcntelosnet 8 күн бұрын

Great information, even for a novice. Really enjoyed the video... again. Can't wait for the new boat.

@barefootdoctorssailing8567 8 күн бұрын

Thanks Crystal- we can’t wait either esp to test all these things out!!!!

@crowdfundcrew 8 күн бұрын

Great info, I heard bad things about mast fulers too, but SV Delos has one and they haven’t had many issues with theirs over 10 years of world traveling. Enjoy the convenience! Donate for a Dream

@barefootdoctorssailing8567 7 күн бұрын

Thanks for the comment guys and yes, in mast furlers have a worse reputation than boom furlers because when they jam it is impossible to get the sail down. Having said that though, every second monohull here in Turkey has an in mast main Furler so clearly they work reliably enough!!!!

@user-gi5gn3li2m 7 күн бұрын

Fantastic informative video guys! Thank you! Not having the battens get caught on the lazy jacks and being able to reef single handed-seems like a boom furler is a no brainer! Looking forward to more updates on the Portofino 52

@barefootdoctorssailing8567 7 күн бұрын

We hope so, GI!!!

@carlnelson4413 6 күн бұрын

Make sure you use a sailmaker with experience in the chosen system. These are difficult sails to make right since the leech has to have minimal stretch or the sail won't roll well after a few years of stretching and have terrible shape because it will bunch on the mandrel. I gather you will have a hydraulic boom vang that you can adjust from the helm to tension the leech properly. Ask hard questions about how your chosen sail cloth will work with the boom. If using a dacron, consider two layers of cloth on the leech (but only if there is room in the boom for the extra rolled cloth thickness). If using a laminate - what delamination risks exist if the sail is partially rolled (e.g. reefed)? Also ask the sailmaker about luff tape wear. I've known several people with roller boom systems (Leisurefurl) and they they had to replace their luff tape once a year - a real challenge in remote areas. I never quite understood why the luff tapes wore so badly - I assume because of the way the feeder and the rolled sail interact. One sailmaker I knew made customers sign a form before he'd make a sail for a a LeisureFurl where the customer took all responsibility for luff tape wear. I don't know if the problem is unique to LeisureFurl or can occur on all furling booms.

@barefootdoctorssailing8567 6 күн бұрын

Thanks for the detailed info Carl! Hope yo are well and enjoying your sailing escapades! We are getting a One Sail main that is a moulded laminate (melted together) so they say that it won''t / can't delaminate and should last 7-10 years (depending on use and care... ) They are working with Maxspar directly on the set up and I will check up on the luff wear issue - hopefully only a Leusirefurl problem - but we will see! Regards!

@SailingSeahorse2026 7 күн бұрын

Thanks for another informative episode. Making well educated decisions by talking with the people that manufacture and warrant the products 👍

@barefootdoctorssailing8567 7 күн бұрын

Glad you enjoyed it!!! Nice little cameo on the way...

@ahminmabed5166 6 күн бұрын

Awesome video guys. One of the best. I fully understand your reasoning behind the boom furler. Safety first. I'm a born again boom furler convert. Good on you for thinking outside the square. PS...this is the second time KZfaq hasn't put your video in my feed.

@barefootdoctorssailing8567 6 күн бұрын

HI again Ahmin. We are getting many people saying that they are being unsubscribed and not getting feeds. Just check if you are subscribed because what I think is happening is that folk that are already subscribed, hit the subscribe button again but this UNSUBSCRIBES them! Check that you are still subscribed and have the notifications bell ticked or you won''t be notified....

@ahminmabed5166 6 күн бұрын

Just checked and it says that I'm subscribed. Who knows

@barefootdoctorssailing8567 5 күн бұрын

Not sure then but check the status each week for subscribed and that the notifications bell is active and if it still doesn't work, let us know. I don't know if KZfaq are very supportive, but if it continues, we will need to contact them!

@juergenzenner4219 8 күн бұрын

Fantastic episode! Thank you both.

@barefootdoctorssailing8567 8 күн бұрын

Our pleasure, glad you enjoyed it Juergen!

@murraysmith8989 Күн бұрын

I agree totally with an earlier comment regarding the difference between apparent simplicity and overall simplicity, specifically because the motor buried deep inside the device. It will eventually fail. It is difficult to inspect and difficult to pack/adjust/clean. There is a geometric point where this becomes easier…..and that may be with the larger sizes.

@barefootdoctorssailing8567 Күн бұрын

Thanks Murray, yes we will need to see how easy the motor is to access, service and replace ourselves - good point!

@latitudeash 7 күн бұрын

If the sails are in a load position..I.e. the wing is pushing on the sail, it stands to reason if you try to drop it it might get jammed. But if you sail into that wing and unload the sails and than drop the sails the system is 100% safe and very easy, I’ve been told. I would have a boom sail, but I am a poor guy and no boat. I enjoy via a small iPad window you guys sailing. ❤

@barefootdoctorssailing8567 7 күн бұрын

When you are poor guy with no boat (as I was in the past), sail on other people's boats and let them pay the costs..... There are lots of sailing opportunities, some free, some costing money and some where you get paid. Good luck changing your path to "rich guy sailing the world"! (Even if rich is in experiences and happiness...)

@stephenbradshaw5311 5 күн бұрын

Thanks Guys I just installed a Leaisure furl on our Cat for exactley the same reasons safety as Ive nearly been bounced off the boat trying to put in a second reef. One small drawback is the boom now has a lot more weight and if under power and their is a swell the boom wants to sway and im putting on a preventer otherwise there may be too much load on the mainsheet to stop the boom swaying around. However we are newbs to this and maybe a combination of topping lift and mainsheet will be enough, happy to hear from waht others have done to counter the boom rolling around.

@barefootdoctorssailing8567 4 күн бұрын

Hi Stephen. TO reduce the swaying, certainly a triangulated preventer would be the go and if you set it up for easy use eg clip on one end and fast tie off with cleat at other end perhaps. I have also just used a rope looped around and tie it with a reef knot that you can tighten but that can be hard to undo with lots of strain. Is your Leisure furl the NZ one with hydraulics at the outer end of the boom? Our motor is at the front end so no weight problem...

@rodlynch2319 7 күн бұрын

My last boat was a Beneteau Oceanis Clipper 473. I really wanted a Main furling as a priority because I never want to rely on crew, almost always sail solo. The boat I bought was in such good nick I bought it even though it had standard main with sinble line slab reefing. No problems dropping th main ot reefing at all by my self. The only complaint was the cars a bit tight on the mast track and I had to use a boat hook to pull th last bit of main down. Sail was a stronger fabric and super strong reefing points. Would definitely choose the same system again rather than sometime troublesome furling. Heard of a few people get in trouble in gale conditions with furling.

@barefootdoctorssailing8567 7 күн бұрын

Hi Rod, yes those stories of problems are what have always put folk off furlers. Main furlers used to jam a lot more, it seemed but now they are everywhere in monos in the Med so I presume they must have solved the problems - about every second mono has one here!

@ianh2674 7 күн бұрын

Good discussion folks and good choice.

@barefootdoctorssailing8567 7 күн бұрын

Thanks very much Ian! Are you keeping well and still in Dubai?

@ianh2674 7 күн бұрын

@@barefootdoctorssailing8567 hi folks, yes all good thanks and indeed still in dxb

@barefootdoctorssailing8567 6 күн бұрын

That's good to hear Ian!

@TheSailingFamily 7 күн бұрын

The question you need to ask is: to what load (how many tons) can each of these systems operate up to? Will they put that in your purchase contract/warranty? If you don't reef in time, are you really going to want to drop your entire mainsail on your coach roof without lazy jacks - and how will you go up there to lash it to the boom in those conditions? Buyer beware: You must reef early and before these systems are overloaded or you have a real mess!

@barefootdoctorssailing8567 7 күн бұрын

Good point Seth. We will check out the specs and make sure it can take the loads! Presumably the max loads are on the mandrill/ gooseneck connections…

@MonkPetite Күн бұрын

Prevention of overpowering the rig is normal for everyone that knows sailing. There must be no question about loading up any rig. That’s for fools.

@TheSailingFamily 22 сағат бұрын

@@MonkPetite Not if you are racing or want to enjoy a performance cat properly. My point is there are stronger alternatives to consider and a buyer of a furling system should understand the limitations of this design. The main weakness of any furling system is the minimal loads they can bear. For example, a Karver Reefing system is used on Gunboats and HH Cats because it is incredibly strong (stronger than the sail or mast will be) and very lightweight, which allows you to load up the rig if you want without fear.

@MonkPetite 20 сағат бұрын

@@TheSailingFamily your correct on the fact that if a furling system is installed on a race/ performance boat you must pick the right one. Obviously most are heavy and submit more inertia to the mast. As you its wise to pick the right system for a boat type. But if you look at “race” boats most of them do not have a furling system on the main. You find on bigger boats a canoe type boom that works like stack pack/ lazy jack. Personally I do have Selden mast furling system on one of my boats. It’s working but….yes a big but. Sometimes it does not come out the way it should. We blame the stretch sails for this. Needless to say the whole rig must be overhauled soon. As it is sailing we roll in the sail even sooner than later and keep a keen eye on the wind prediction. My other boat is racing boat and has a rolling boom. It’s fun as te sail wraps around it. No furling system can beat that.

@danielbalderas2819 7 күн бұрын

Hello Barefoot doctors, my Name is Daniel Balderas a new subscriber, I have a wonderful 👍 comment to your wife. Your wife looks like Lisa Vanderpump. She is currently on a T.V. show with Gordon Ramsay Food Stars. Your wife and Lisa Vanderpump could be a twin sister (s). I was amazed at their resemblance. Good blessings with the new boat building.

@barefootdoctorssailing8567 7 күн бұрын

Wow, thank you Daniel! Lovely compliment for Eli. Eli has been described as looking like a few other movie stars in the past eg Grays Anatomy star and a few days ago, she was asked by a stranger "Was she famous?" Very kind of you!!!

@braddonbuckley8629 7 күн бұрын

Excellent insight into the pros and cons of boom fullers. Looks like you have made the right decision and I’m sure it will all work out perfectly..

@barefootdoctorssailing8567 6 күн бұрын

Thanks Braddon, when you have never used certain bits of gear before ,you just have to ask questions, make a decision and over some time it will become clear if it was the right one...

@nromanov2150 6 күн бұрын

Keeping safe John And Eli If the Boom furlers keeps you safe go with what keeps you safe and brings you home every now and there

@barefootdoctorssailing8567 5 күн бұрын

We miss you too, Guys!

@garrykennedy5653 7 күн бұрын

We have used furling booms and love them

@barefootdoctorssailing8567 7 күн бұрын

Great to hear that Garry!!! We will be joining your tribe soon!

@johnrathbun2943 8 күн бұрын

Good choice for going with the boom furler.

@barefootdoctorssailing8567 8 күн бұрын

Thanks John!

@seawench555 7 күн бұрын

Well my Darlings uv answered ur own ? For a man of his knowledge, skill and statue to give u both 2 days of his time to explain his product, it's simple hey. We go with MaxSpar the Carbon boom. I've got a few $ I can give, if u need it. Also with Raphael being there, if he's happy with this boom, he will offer them to his future clients, win win. I like the fact u can hoist and lower the main without power, if something fails, touch wood. Great to see ur smiling faces, I'm getting crazy excited for u both. Please stay safe in these dangerous times. Lots love ur Sea Wench 💞🇦🇺 an so boys and girls read the instruction manual, don't just put in a cupboard!!! John. Baby boat but she's ur Baby. Barefoot Bounty here we come

@barefootdoctorssailing8567 7 күн бұрын

Thanks for your support and love as usual Karlene! We're excited too and really look forward to testing these systems and seeing how the boat sails!

@dietmardurr5285 5 күн бұрын

You are describing the boom furler with so much enthusiasm - I don’t want to stop… the only question I do have in mind about that is: why do you think it shall always be easy to go into wind with a multihull???

@barefootdoctorssailing8567 5 күн бұрын

Hi Dietmar, Nice to hear from you! I'm not sure what you mean by "easy to go into the wind with a multihull". The question that I put to Enrico was whether it was ESSENTIAL to head directly into the wind to furl the sail with a boom Furler because some of the other brands say that. Gioubg iuntio thug wind directly is unpleasant and a nuisance because you have to turn your engines on. If the Furler can reef off the wind at 45 or 60* then the jib can keep powering the boat forward so no engine is needed and you do not get the terrible waves and crashing of motoring directly into the wind. I hope that answers your question but going into the wind is horrible on a monohull and a catamaran so neither are pleasant but it can be done....

@dietmardurr5285 4 күн бұрын

Hi Eli&John, thank you for your answer. Yes indeed, I just wanted to remember, that I can be the most critical maneuver to try on a multihull - depending to the weather conditions… as you‘ve been talking about safety: I would always prefer to have more then one option - like the RYA is teaching not to leave harbour without plan B - to me it seems to be impossible to leave harbour with a boat that is only working on plan A. Trying to reef the mainsail at a late moment with already too much breeze and a noticeable seastate at 45-60 degrees to wind as you described - you may risk a lot! And in case you let the main come down without furling - how do you take control of the sail!!! And if you can get the sail under control, you’ll have no possibility to give it the needed reefing … On a small sporty sailboat- that is no big issue, the manufacturers right into the documents that the boat is built for circumstances up to 6 Beaufort - like on a J/70 - no reef - no problem - in case, drop the main and let one of the crew have a seat on it to control in harsch moments… boy, but with your beautiful and enormous sail size… you’ll have to be magic I think 🤔. I‘ve been invited for sailing on a very beautiful YYachts Y7 in the bay of Palma de Mallorca in 2022 - equipped with a sophisticated boom furler and we had much under 10kts true - it took the professional crew about 20 minutes to get the boom into the exact angles that the system was allowing them to hoist the main - the discribed 87degrees is a must - not 85/86 nore 88/89… and no plan B…. Please allow to bare in mind…. At the end I didn’t order the Y7…. I‘m on a multihull now too - and I ordered it for good reasons with classic reefing possibility and lazy bag. But there are always a lot of different ideas out there - all the best for you and the order decisions, Dietmar

@barefootdoctorssailing8567 4 күн бұрын

@@dietmardurr5285 Yes Dietmar, those experiences are what made the decision difficult. We are told that with a hydraulic vang,. we can get the boom to that angle without any "problem". There will be an electronic sensor to confirm the angle and wooden batten as plan B. However you are quite right about the problem of handling the sail if you have to drop it in high winds. We will need to have a plan of how to contain is when dropped... In severe sea states we would be heading directly into the wind under motor, but in milder conditions, I like to continue to sail using the jib to hold our course at 40* to the wind and the motion is much more pleasant than crashing directly into the swell into the wind... We will see how well it works and it was a really big decision for us!

@dietmardurr5285 4 күн бұрын

Well - we all do get experience only by experience 😉 so please take care and let us know in future🙏

@G11713 7 күн бұрын

It might also be good to have a rotating mast as well so that the sail remain in alignment with the boom and you won't necessarily have to go up wind to deploy or reel in the main.

@barefootdoctorssailing8567 7 күн бұрын

Hi G, thanks for the comment and great thought that would be chosen by some folk. The rotating masts are significantly complex and more needed for pure performance and racing boats. We are getting the boom Furler to make it easy for us so are wanting to keep it simple and easy (and reasonably fast...) so do not want a rotating mast. Perhaps if we were 20-30 years younger, who knows?

@dulls8475 2 күн бұрын

I removed it on a yacht we bought (profurl) and was an excellent improvement to go back to slab and jiffy reefing. Would never have it on a boat for safety reasons.

@barefootdoctorssailing8567 Күн бұрын

Interesting - Thanks for that info - did you have much experience using it and in what ways did it cause trouble?l

@KANALOAWWP19 7 күн бұрын

Excellent choice! Much better sail shape when you have to reef in my opinion.

@barefootdoctorssailing8567 6 күн бұрын

We certainly hope so... Thanks for the comment.

@gbsailing9436 8 күн бұрын

Hi John and Eli, Great episode again as always. I’m loving your 52 updates! As sailors, I think we (you both and myself) could be considered on the same page - although you are both more eminently more experienced than I. No doubt you have asked a lot of questions, many of which I have in mind, which weren’t covered in this short video (clearly not your fault). If you could address them for either your Patreon viewers s or the KZfaqrs that read the comments that would be great. Let me know if you think some of my concerns are silly, not well thought out (perhaps due to a lack of knowledge which you have after your discussions), or not warranted and delete those not necessary. Ok so here are my thoughts: 1. You made the important point that the Maxfurl system needs to be taught or learned (which apparently takes some time.) to increase proficiency and expertise. Will you be able to do a couple of test or ‘experience’ sails with someone to help speed up that learning process for you both prior to taking delivery of your yacht - as the ‘angle’ issue seems a little critical? 2. You have a “small boat” according to Enrico. Will the ‘Brake’ that is fitted to your ‘small’ boat be ‘rated’ for your boat or are the brake systems the same size for all booms regardless of length? If they are ’sized’ accordingly, what assurances are offered that the brake on your boom will handle the greater lift generated by a cat over a monohull as a cat doesn’t not heel and lose lift the more it leans? What pound (Neuton meters?) rating will the boom’s brake you buy have? 3. Maxfurl stated that their sails are oft raised multiple times a day - due no doubt to the ease of the system over a traditional system - typically this is also due to them being installed on racing yachts. Given that, what system of protection does the system have to stop dust/salt and grime getting into the tray and sail? Does it have a cover to help stop UV degradation to sticking, sail cloth, and other materials, and how does that work/look? Can a system of small water nozzles/jets be fitted along the inner boom sides from simple hose pipping to allow spraying of fresh water onto the sail as it furls to help reduce NaCl crystalline hardening and build up by keeping salt crystals moist and dissolved until the sail is in a more stable and fixed state? I know this would add some complexity to the build and running system (the tubes would only need to be small), but it would allow for ease of sail washing and help sail longevity by reducing chafing from salt crystals, I believe. Have Maxfurl ever created such a system, or do they think it is not warranted as you could just use a hose when furling, etc.? 4. What is the maintenance regimé like for the motor and bearings, etc. Can this be done by the owner of must they be done by a registered mechanic trained in the system? What if any ancillary care/maintenance should be done by the owner to reduce servicing of the system? I apologise for my many questions. I’m sure your patrons would be asking much the same. Perhaps if you answer the questions once and just copy and past the answers where needed that might make it beneficial for all concerned. Loving you guys and your content as always. All my blessing going forward with you build and as always: Fair 💨’s and following 🌊’s. 😘

@barefootdoctorssailing8567 7 күн бұрын

Hi Garth - quite a list! No 1 - we will be having the sailmaker from One Sail coming to Dubai to test sail the boat so they will run through the process for the boom Furler. I will then video it for everyone else to learn from too... The angle is critical but because we will have a hydraulic vang that can be set at 87* it should take all the doubt out of the angle thing. 2. I think our motor is the same for the bigger yachts so it is probably oversized - so no worries in that regard. Given that they have built these for much bigger boats and they are carbon, I expect the strength to be over what is required. 3. Yes it does have a cover to protect from dust and UV, WRT salt, I believe a simple rinse with fresh water hose is all that is required and there is no need for internal watering systems. Also there should be no chafe as the dial wraps around the mandril (pole) and does not rub on anything with the outer cover just keeping it protected.. 4. Maintenance - electric motors require minimal maintenance so perhaps some grease in the rotating bearings only. We will confirm when we get the instructions from maxspar... Certainly no registered mechanics needed. Hope I covered all the issues! Keep well Garth and keep the dream alive!

@gbsailing9436 7 күн бұрын

@@barefootdoctorssailing8567 Yes sorry about that. Thanks for sharing all the info.

@ashleykerlin 7 күн бұрын

@barefootdoctorssailing8567 You and Garth covered several of my questions. I asked you about this topic a couple months ago so really good to see you diving into it! The idea of a built-in wash down spray is interesting as you could rinse down more effectively as you bring the sail down than with a hose once furled. I could see a regular routine before lengthy mooring periods of conducting a rinse down, then hoisting the sail again to dry salt-free, then stow and cover? I′d imagine horizontal battens for a boom furler would allow more effective sail shaping and performance than possible for mast furling (being more common for charter sailers who wouldn't be about sailing hard). And hard to understate the stability benefits of moving all that weight down low. Especially in swells when moored? Thinking about complete power loss like after lightning strike. Button operation means power. So need manual brake override obviously. Is there a pulley (maybe at the far end) for manually winding the sail in a power outage? Or maybe just ability to attach a simple bar to the end to wind with, capstan-style? Is there a manual/physical lock when partially reefed to take the pressure off the brake during extreme sailing events? It's easy to understand the critical nature of the boom angle. Simple household roller blinds can be enough of a pain if you get the alignment wrong! Would the mast camera you fit near the furler need to be able to pan or would just wide angle enough to cover all boom positions? Thanks for tolerating all the wishful thinking sailer questions!

@gbsailing9436 7 күн бұрын

@@ashleykerlin I apologise for my misunderstanding of the alignment issue. I thought they were talking about in relation to the wind when you drop the sail, not about the vertical alignment. Now the points about the boom vang makes sense. I'd occasionally (every ½ doz.raises) be INOXing the runners when you raise the sail so to keep the dropping of the sail nice and easy. Sails and material will always absorb salt in a marine environment so I'd certainly like to install a watering system - or at the very least talk to the manuf. about it. Those BIG sailing yachts they install their booms on can afford to replace sails at will. The rest of us, not so.(often)

@barefootdoctorssailing8567 7 күн бұрын

@@ashleykerlin Hi Ashley, catamarans need fully battened mains hence the in mast furling does not work. Yes the best cleaning process is to hose the sail and then hoist till dry and then store. You are right in that there are many high weight things that are removed with the boom Furler - reef Iines, topping lift, Ladyjacks and boom bag. Also the windage is drastically reduced.... The need for manual backup if the power fails would be good and I will check with Maxspar. I don;t believe the brake needs an extra lock as it works with much bigger sails. The hydraulic vang should allow very good control of the 87* angle, we understand The camera would on focus on the front of the nmandrel where the sail is rolling in to see if it is straight or migrating forwards or back... Hope that covers all the questions, Ashley!

@TerryKeever 7 күн бұрын

Good info. Thanks for sharing. I'd wondered why one rarely see furlers for the main. The first one I saw looked like it was a great innovation for a short handed crew. I thought maybe it was just not anough advantage for the cost. Like how he came out to talk to you and answer questions.

@barefootdoctorssailing8567 7 күн бұрын

Thanks for the comment Terry and yes, it shows a lot of integrity for Enrico to give us "small boats" his time like that.

@sxmNice 5 күн бұрын

A big advantage to boom furlers you omitted is that the weight of the sail is kept down. This is significant in heavy weather (righting moment) and for stability on the hook (especially for monohulls)

@barefootdoctorssailing8567 4 күн бұрын

Thanks Mr Nice, I missed that benefit so should add it to the list of Pros!

@sxmNice 3 күн бұрын

@@barefootdoctorssailing8567 "Mr. Nice"... I like that 🤩 Did you figure out the "sxm" part?

@barefootdoctorssailing8567 Күн бұрын

@@sxmNice No I didn't - which I why I just used Mr NIce... What is it?

@sxmNice 21 сағат бұрын

@@barefootdoctorssailing8567 sxm is the airport code for St. Maarten. The Dutch side of St. Maarten is referred to as "sxm" by the locals.

@richardsimpson2599 4 күн бұрын

I think you are building my perfect boat!

@barefootdoctorssailing8567 Күн бұрын

Glad to hear it Richard! We hope it will be the perfect boat for us too!!!

@kirkb3473 5 күн бұрын

Enjoyed the video & look forward to seeing it in action! Do you guys have a splash date yet?

@barefootdoctorssailing8567 4 күн бұрын

Thanks again!

@petedearden5219 Күн бұрын

You don't get sail battens stuck on lazy Jack's as you don't need lazy Jack's. The sail never needs controlling as its neatly furled. We have a sailtainer inboom furled. Once you learn how to use it you won't look back. Furling in high wind is difficult so as with any sail reef early.

@barefootdoctorssailing8567 22 сағат бұрын

Good points, Peter….

@karelvandesande9848 7 күн бұрын

Much better sail shape and longer sail life is the most important advantage.

@barefootdoctorssailing8567 6 күн бұрын

Good point - thanks!

@stephenburrows4250 6 күн бұрын

Enrico, the Italian Raphael... 🤣..., awesome stuff! Raphael had a look on his face at one stage like he was talking to himself... 🤣🤣

@barefootdoctorssailing8567 6 күн бұрын

Exactly! :)

@RobertFullStop 5 күн бұрын

I'm sold on the boom, not so much on the hydraulic vang.

@barefootdoctorssailing8567 4 күн бұрын

Hi Robert, I have never had a hydraulic boom but clearly the advantage (if it works properly) is that there is no topping lift and the boom does not bounce up or down in swell. We will see...

@OnTheFlipSide 8 күн бұрын

Well, I guess the only thing to do is sacrifice myself and come test sail with you.. for you! 🤣🤣

@barefootdoctorssailing8567 8 күн бұрын

Of course you do!!! Essential sea trial assistants!

@geofferyrobertson6608 7 күн бұрын

well presented video gang ! real good info

@barefootdoctorssailing8567 7 күн бұрын

Appreciate that, Geoffrey! Thanks for commenting.

@KirkThomson 7 күн бұрын

Great episode! Thank you for all the fantastic and indepth advice.

@barefootdoctorssailing8567 7 күн бұрын

Glad you enjoyed it, Kirk! Bit controversial challenging the big fellas but the truth is the truth....

@fountainvalley100 7 күн бұрын

I always start with the assumption it will break and plan accordingly. The brake won’t work so there needs to be manual reef points for use with gaskets. The motor will fail and there needs to be a manual crank point to turn the mandrel.

@barefootdoctorssailing8567 7 күн бұрын

Good points - we'll need to check how they are set up for those breakages.

@dc1544 7 күн бұрын

I like the in boom furling. Only drawback I see is the canvas will be a bit lighter which means replacing sails more often. When replacing the sail then you do all maintenance on the system.

@barefootdoctorssailing8567 7 күн бұрын

Hi DC thanks for the comment. I'm not sure why the canvas needs to be lighter as the surrounding cover can be made to fit thicker materials. And we asked the sail maker (One Sail) if the boom Furler changed anything in the sail and they said it is exactly the same material, just cut specifically to suit the Furler... So I don't believe the material will be lighter or shorter durability.

@dc1544 6 күн бұрын

@@barefootdoctorssailing8567 Then I think you have the better option.

@barefootdoctorssailing8567 6 күн бұрын

We hope it will work well but only in Jan next year will we see!

@jockknots848 7 күн бұрын

Great information you guys. Thanks heaps. Hope to use it at some stage .....the when is still up in the air.

@barefootdoctorssailing8567 6 күн бұрын

Glad it was useful Jock and good luck with your search!

@davidpearson7817 7 күн бұрын

Reefing? How does that work? Outhaul adjustment? Is that possible? Thx

@barefootdoctorssailing8567 7 күн бұрын

Reef by rolling down to any batten so the batten maintains the foot length and out haul on the clew like any main... Also see more detailed answer to Jack Wickman.

@wazalymn3150 7 күн бұрын

Great review. I to have been investigating boom furling. So enjoyed your review. As your building a Portafino, wonder if you can do a video of the factory, especially how they bend the complex curves of the hull plates. Additionally, when they fair the boat before painting, will they put bog on the plates and fair this off to ensure smooth surfaces for increaed speed? lastly whats the estimated weight of your portafino. When i spoke to them, they were very heavy and hence wont be a performance vessel. more like a lagoon, house boat, but sailing is performance poor?? thoughts??

@barefootdoctorssailing8567 6 күн бұрын

Thanks for the interest Wazal and they bend the AL with an "English wheel" -0 I have shown this is a previous episode but can't remember which one... Will do it again for you! Raffaele expects to use minimal bog to fair the boat - 1 mm or less... The original weight of the boat was 18.5 tonnes but we wanted them to make it lighter and change the hull shape so it should come in at 16 tonnes. We were concerned about the performance so had the computer system done to produce the polars which showed very good performance (thin shallow hulls, lifting boards, powerful sail plan) so we should be able to sail above 12 knots easily and without stress, and often sailing at wind speed! Although the polars said speeds of 20 knots was possible, we are not likely to want to sail that fast and will reef down for comfort and safety... So in summary, NOTHING like a Lagoon / house boat etc.... Check out that Episode: kzfaq.info/get/bejne/prmYnZqU2q3Lk2Q.html

@MK-gr9qz 7 күн бұрын

Good episode and probobly a really good choise🤟

@barefootdoctorssailing8567 6 күн бұрын

Thanks MK, we hope it is a good call and we will see when the boat is launched!

@nortonmolly 7 күн бұрын

If you look at most modern super yachts they have in boom furling. Did you contact Southern Spars in NZ. They have had over 30 years of experience making and perfecting their furling booms.

@barefootdoctorssailing8567 7 күн бұрын

Hi Norton and yes many big boats have the boom furlers.... Raffaele looked at all the major providers and how they worked but I don;t know how far he went with Southern Spars....

@geniexmay562 8 күн бұрын

Very useful info. Would it also give Eli the ability to reef on her own?? I can only imagine there is a lot of friction/potential chafe on the luff tape with salty sails. What sort of main sheet traveller have you decided on?

@barefootdoctorssailing8567 8 күн бұрын

Yes, with this Eli as would be able to reef single handed! I have not heard of luff friction being a problem as the sail is not under tension when hoisting and when under strain, it should not move… Raffaele is recommending an electric self contained line traveller to avoid tails from that too…

@waltervanderboor 8 күн бұрын

We looked into a system as offered for the boat we're looking at. And at 280K euro its quite an investment. Hence I asked some other experienced sailors with such boomfurlers about their experience. And most of them were quite positive. The once less sattified mostly complained abut the space the hydraulics take as they wanted to use that space for something else. I disagree with your statement that at heavy wind the boom is going left to right. in fact there's enough pressure to keep the boom on one side of the boat unless you go into the wind to set a reef. And with a boom furler you keep it that way. In fact with the good systems thats where we see the real advantage. You can reef without changing course with the sail under any angle when the wind picks up. Hence we are 99% sure to go for that. but note we are looking at a hydraulic furler. not something with a line. The boom furler also requires a boom vang to keep the angle correct which can add to the costs significantly. Hence m opinion: go for it as it adds to your safety and takes away the sail getting stuck in the lazy jacks

@barefootdoctorssailing8567 8 күн бұрын

Thanks Walter for the detailed info! What is the $280 for- mast and boom furler or just fitting the boom furler? The Bamar winch that is driving our boom furler is electric (I thought) but the vang will be hydraulic…. So I don’t think we lose any space. The flogging main occurs when we are reefing in rough and windy conditions as we have to have the boom free to avoid filling with wind as we tighten the single reef lines on the Leopards. Even with the boom out at 60* in large swell it can flop back to the mid line…. When we drop the sail completely we can triangulate it and lock it down but we keep it free during reefs to speed the process up… We will probably also have the foresail furlers without lines too as you say - so much easier! Again, I thought they were electric but will have to find out…

@waltervanderboor 7 күн бұрын

@@barefootdoctorssailing8567 I had some questions John, but we’ll address them later. The price quote makes it look like it’s 180k extra for the carbon mast and 280k for the furling system. Btw have you looked at the latest safety system “watchit” it’s an undeep water/collision avoidance system with AI. It’s 6k usd including installation.

@barefootdoctorssailing8567 6 күн бұрын

Wow $280 for the Furler seems very high.... We will try to look into the Watchit system too - thanks!

@waltervanderboor 6 күн бұрын

@@barefootdoctorssailing8567 I double checked it’s 133,400 for the mast and 279,000 euro for hydraulic power pack and boom.. definitely a talking point

@barefootdoctorssailing8567 5 күн бұрын

WOW, that is a lot. Perhaps the electric boom Furler with the Bamar electric winch makes it cheaper as we do not have to pay anywhere near that amount.... Definitely under $100K...What brand is the quote from?

@PeterAcrat 8 күн бұрын

👍Boom furler. Great choice

@barefootdoctorssailing8567 8 күн бұрын

Thanks Peter

@dajobra 4 күн бұрын

We had in-mast furling and I hated it with passion. It never sailed good in any configuration. I really like you can always get the sails down with in-boom, but how good does it sail? How does it compare to a square top main?

@barefootdoctorssailing8567 4 күн бұрын

Thanks for the interest and the comment. The sail makers tell me that the sail shape is excellent with the boom Furler. We cannot have the full square top main because the diagonal batten that holds the square top up would not roll into the boom. So we are getting a rounded top which is almost as good but we lose about 3-5m2 of sail area - not a lot so should still perform really well.

@frankstocker5475 5 күн бұрын

It all depends on what kind of sailing you are doing. If you plan to go blue water sailing I would stay with slab reefing.

@barefootdoctorssailing8567 4 күн бұрын

Thanks Frank for the comment and we will see over time how it all goes! We'll keep you posted but it will be an expensive error if it does not work....

@kimblemooney2757 7 күн бұрын

Carbon fiber boom is a good idea - why not get a matching mast?

@barefootdoctorssailing8567 7 күн бұрын

Hi Kimberley, that was one of our other big decisions. The reason we stuck with aluminium mast was because of the easier repair ability off the grid, more resilient to bangs and dings, less problems with lightning strike (and cost). Maxspar was happy with make both together but we needed the toughness of AL.

@Panoramix0874 Күн бұрын

A slab reefing mainsail with a lazy bag is super easy to use, I never got the point of a boom furler. It adds complexity with no real advantage IMHO.

@barefootdoctorssailing8567 Күн бұрын

Yes it is all about personal choice. I have been on the top of cabin tops and had a crew person almost hit off the boat by the boom (as he had done something wrong... ) We have also had the slab reefing lines jam, get twisted around the boom and gear on the back of the boat, so it would be nice to avoid that - as long as it is not just other type of challenge we face in the tough weather....

@Panoramix0874 Күн бұрын

@@barefootdoctorssailing8567 the trick is to mark the halyard, keep the reeflines with some tension and get on the roof only when the sheet is tensioned. With lazy jacks there is no need to battle the sail. On a well set up boat, you can take the 3rd reef in the dark alone without preparation whereas with a furling boom it needs to be done with real care to avoid jamming it. Also, in case of real emergency (thunderstorm), you release the sheet and the halyard and the main comes down. On the positive side furling booms look neater but even if I like a good looking boat, ease of reefing matters to me!

@rickutecht9951 7 күн бұрын

Okay thanks!

@barefootdoctorssailing8567 7 күн бұрын

Our pleasure! How close if your completion date for your boat now?

@ChrisHarding-lk3jj 3 күн бұрын

From an engineering aspect there is no reason a perfectly reliable boom furler. Using a hydraulic powered furling system makes the most sense. Hydraulic power is the best way to power just about anything on a boat and it is easy to build in redundancy by having a hydraulic pump on each motor and an electric hydraulic pump.

@barefootdoctorssailing8567 Күн бұрын

Thanks for that Chris. Folk we have talked to with the hydraulic systems complain that the hydraulics "get in the way of other systems on the boat"....

@Skippernick1957 7 күн бұрын

Sparcraft South Africa make a great boomfurler which they have fitted to Balance cats.

@barefootdoctorssailing8567 7 күн бұрын

Thanks for letting us know, Nick! There are many makers now popping up as the demand grows and Raffaele did the research around the world.

@rickutecht9951 8 күн бұрын

Can the boom furler handle a Square Top Main?

@barefootdoctorssailing8567 8 күн бұрын

Hi Rick, the boom freer has to have a modified square top (makes it a round top) as the diagonal batten that keeps the square tip out cannot be used as it will not fuel. We only lose about 3-4m2 of sail area,

@markpeter1968 8 күн бұрын

In mast furling would be my pick. In boom is still brilliant tho #edit, everyone that has boom furlers swear by them.

@barefootdoctorssailing8567 8 күн бұрын

Thanks Mark! The in mast furlers don’t work with fully battened sails so that is why cats tend to have the boom furlers.

@latitudeash 7 күн бұрын

Get my cabin ready I’m coming along….lol..😂

@barefootdoctorssailing8567 7 күн бұрын

DubaI JAN 2025!

@RGF56 6 күн бұрын

@@barefootdoctorssailing8567 You will have a que off the end of the jetty 😂

@barefootdoctorssailing8567 5 күн бұрын

Yes probably! Should be a lot of fun though so we will be allowing folk to come and see the boat around launch date so it will be very exciting!

@latitudeash 5 күн бұрын

@@barefootdoctorssailing8567 - we are very excited to see what you purchased. I will be very green with envy, but happy for you both. That said, I am a virtual sailor and will be sailing via my iPad 🤪😂🤣

@barefootdoctorssailing8567 4 күн бұрын

Glad to have you along!

@kimblemooney2757 7 күн бұрын

From experience boom furlers increase risk because they fail at the wrong moment and you have a hell of a time trying to reduce sail

@barefootdoctorssailing8567 7 күн бұрын

Hi Kimberley, yes if the motor / brake fails, you have to drop the sail completely. The Bamar motor is the best on the market and used on all the Superyachts so hopefully our "small boat" should hopefully not put excess strain on the mechanism...

@claudiof.barbano5530 8 күн бұрын

Worth to upgrade from standard to furling boom? Big question

@barefootdoctorssailing8567 7 күн бұрын

We will see Claudio, won't we? If it works as well as they say, to keep us safe and make our reefing easy and fast, then it is worth the money....

@claudiof.barbano5530 6 күн бұрын

For a new boat I would also get. The question is if its worth the upgrade for a boat with a normal boom @@barefootdoctorssailing8567

@barefootdoctorssailing8567 6 күн бұрын

Yes on an existing boat, you have to throw away the main and boom and pay full price again.... Tougher call!

@latitudeash 7 күн бұрын

Boom sailing = sailing for the lazy sailer. I am lazy and all for a boom sail. The sticker price is the only thing I would bulk at.

@barefootdoctorssailing8567 7 күн бұрын

One of the boom Furler companies pushed the far that the boom Furler allows you to continue sailing into your later life..... So lazy or less functional!

@paulstephens5229 7 күн бұрын

Why in boom furling and not my preferred choice in mast furling?

@barefootdoctorssailing8567 7 күн бұрын

Hi Paul, good question! In mast furling means you can't use fully battened mains so catamarans usually go with boom furlers...

@paulstephens5229 7 күн бұрын

@@barefootdoctorssailing8567 Thankyou, everyday is a school day, I’ve seen upright battens in a mast furler but that was on a monohull. Of course you’re building a catamaran, looking forward to seeing this. Great video by the way.

@barefootdoctorssailing8567 7 күн бұрын

@@paulstephens5229 Yes in mast furlers can be used with vertical battens but the sail shape is not as good for cats, hence the full length horizontal battens and boom furling...

@Antipodean33 5 күн бұрын

Doctors, doctors of what exactly?

@barefootdoctorssailing8567 4 күн бұрын

If you want the full story, go back and watch our Episode number 1 - but in short I am a doctor of medicine (specialist family doctor and internal physician) and Eli is a PhD in Philosophy (metaphysics, counselling)...

@mkoss5 7 күн бұрын

What about a mast furler Distint shores used the mast furler they are a u tube channel

@barefootdoctorssailing8567 7 күн бұрын

Hi MK, yes mast furlers are good for monohulls but because catamarans need fully battened mainsails, the in mast furlers do not work...

@Kingsoly 6 күн бұрын

Bionic better than in mast in my opinion-

@barefootdoctorssailing8567 6 күн бұрын

Yes that certainly seems to be the case for cats...

@jackwickman2403 7 күн бұрын

You didn't ask about the issue of having no outhaul when reefed. If you stop lowering with a batten just above the boom, does that give you enough foot tension? How do you control the foot tension? How do you flatten the lower part of the sail? The point where the sail leech starts to wrap around the furler mandrill will have highly concentrated stress. If the leech creeps closer to the mast when reefing then things get even worse. Is the entire mainsail leech reinforced to handle this stress so you can reef to any point, or just certain spots? With a slab reefing mainsail the reefing clews are heavily reinforced to deal with the stress concentration. Does this point of concentration magically disappear when a boom furler is used? Where does it go? Booms have had outhauls for many years. Have they been unneeded all this time? Do you have an outhaul when the main is fully hoisted, or is that also not needed? Please ask the furler designers about this and also ask your sailmaker what they think. If an unreinforced leech is stretched out and distorted by this stress concentration, will you have a situation where they blame each other, or both blame you? Is this question irrelevant due to new super sail fabrics that can survive anything you do to them? Please don't ignore this question.

@barefootdoctorssailing8567 7 күн бұрын

HI Jack, when you reef with the boom Furler, you roll the sail down until any one of the battens is at the bottom of the mandril. This maintains the foot length and maintains the sail shape that you can adjust in the usual ways (boom up or down/ mainsheet in or out). The leech should not creep forwards or the rolled part of the luff will jam - so the 87* angle controls that and (I presume) the rolled sail has enough friction to not have any movement... Clearly the tension is taken over larger areas than with a single rope in the reefing points. Imagine how the jib Furlers work without a reefing point and the strain is taken on the pole and the whole length of the sail - same principle…. As the sails do not tear or fail, clearly they are made strong enough and do not age any faster ( I have been told). There will be an outhaul on the clew at the foot as usual and this would be used to change the shape of the sail in different wind conditions (if you want). The sail maker, mast maker and boom Furler company are all talking together and guaranteed that our "small" boat will have no troubles from using the boom Furler. However we will ask them the questions and ensure that they warranty the items between themselves and not put it on us.... Thanks Jack for learning us to this risk!

@spacewalktraveller1 6 күн бұрын

Distant Shores, the people who started documenting sailing many decades ago have just got a new boat. They have a mast furling sale on their new boat and one on their old boat. I'm sure they could give you lots of practical advise about them if you reached out to them. I wish you all the very best.

@barefootdoctorssailing8567 5 күн бұрын

Yes thanks for that info. We have been flooding them avidly for years as they also built an aluminium boat (although we forgive them for having. monohull) that has a lifting keel and is beachable - two of the essential features we were looking for but struggled to find in a cat! So yes we love their channel and because they are a mono, they have in mast furling and cats need fully battened mains so we need a boom Furler...

@elizabethmadrigal4389 6 күн бұрын

Advantage over mastfurling?

@barefootdoctorssailing8567 6 күн бұрын

In mast furling is mainly for monos as they can't b4e used with fully battened mains that cats need for sailing... Hence in mast is not an option for us.

@RGF56 6 күн бұрын

@@barefootdoctorssailing8567 How many times do you have to answer that ! Read the frigging comment people 🙄

@barefootdoctorssailing8567 5 күн бұрын

It's OK, RGF - we're glad that folk have the interest!

@elizabethmadrigal4389 5 күн бұрын

@@RGF56 read your aggressive comment!

@RGF56 5 күн бұрын

@@elizabethmadrigal4389 Well had you bothered to look through the comments it was addressed at least 5 times !

@kirkb3473 5 күн бұрын

Enjoyed the video & look forward to seeing it in action! Do you guys have a splash date yet?

@barefootdoctorssailing8567 4 күн бұрын

Yip, Jan25... Duplicate post which will help our analytics so thanks!

@kirkb3473 5 күн бұрын

Enjoyed the video & look forward to seeing it in action! Do you guys have a splash date yet?

@barefootdoctorssailing8567 4 күн бұрын

Us too, thanks Kirk! Splash date is Jan 2025...

@kirkb3473 4 күн бұрын

@@barefootdoctorssailing8567 Very cool, coincidentally our catamarans might share the same birthday! Ours is scheduled to splash Jan. 25th, 2025 : )

@barefootdoctorssailing8567 Күн бұрын

@@kirkb3473 HI Kirk,with the Houthis disrputing shipping to Dubai, ours may be delayed :((

@kirkb3473 Күн бұрын

@@barefootdoctorssailing8567 ugh…yes that is a big risk in that region right now, hopefully its done before the season starts in the Med though!