Sabatons - Armor for the Foot

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Knyght Errant

Knyght Errant

Күн бұрын

In the next video in the series we will discuss the armor for the foot, known as sabatons or sollerets. We will see how they function and how they interact with arming shoes.
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@Poor_Wayfaring_Stranger
@Poor_Wayfaring_Stranger 7 жыл бұрын
So I googled the band. Ended up here. Subbed.
@KnyghtErrant
@KnyghtErrant 7 жыл бұрын
Metal. \m/
@Poor_Wayfaring_Stranger
@Poor_Wayfaring_Stranger 7 жыл бұрын
Metal.
@Sir_knight_trooper
@Sir_knight_trooper 4 жыл бұрын
Chodeinger METAL
@tommylyeah
@tommylyeah 3 жыл бұрын
*\M/ E T A L*
@thatoneguy7603
@thatoneguy7603 2 жыл бұрын
Listen all a y'all these are sabatons.
@L.J.Kommer
@L.J.Kommer 6 жыл бұрын
THEN THE WINGED HUSSARS A... Wait a second.
@shoother2257
@shoother2257 7 жыл бұрын
There is a power metal band named after these...
@cryo2156
@cryo2156 5 жыл бұрын
SHOoT hER that's what I thought of when I saw the title
@Anonymous_Eyeballs
@Anonymous_Eyeballs 5 жыл бұрын
But oddly enough most of their songs are about WW2
@clitcrusader4897
@clitcrusader4897 5 жыл бұрын
Not "a power metal band" but "the definitive power metal band"
@clitcrusader4897
@clitcrusader4897 5 жыл бұрын
Also there is a band named after most things on earth, there is a (insert metal genre) band named after a specific ship from halo that I don't think was even mentioned in the games, shadow of intent.
@nadirjofas3140
@nadirjofas3140 5 жыл бұрын
@@clitcrusader4897 I couldn't find the band.
@meleesdebehourd6495
@meleesdebehourd6495 8 жыл бұрын
Nice FOOT-AGE. Well well well.
@danielthompson6207
@danielthompson6207 8 жыл бұрын
+Mêlées de béhourd That pun had a great foundation!
@Drayran
@Drayran 8 жыл бұрын
1:12 These long tips on Gothic-style sabatons were an asthetic extra copying Reneissance shoes. They were removed before battles, duels or any kind of combat since they are totally impractical. Anyways great video!
@KnyghtErrant
@KnyghtErrant 8 жыл бұрын
+Drayran Yep, the ones with the ridiculously long toes were removable, like this extant example (s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/736x/55/b6/ec/55b6ec70244da645810b2d4569579e77.jpg). I wish I did, but I don't have nearly enough time to go in to detail on the later armors as I'd like or these videos would be much longer than they already are. Interestingly though, while the fashionable wear of pointy toes on civil footwear came and went a few times during the Middle Ages, the most concentrated period of extravagantly pointed toes on shoes is centered around the late 14th century and is not contemporary with Gothic sabatons. I always found that kind of interesting because martial and civil fashion are almost always so closely intertwined.
@Drayran
@Drayran 8 жыл бұрын
+Knyght Errant Ha, sorry for being that picky. It must be a real pain to prevent every possible comment like the one i wrote. But I thought I pointed this out real quick, since someone not to familiar with the topic could get a wrong idea. Yeah, it's always interesting how the degree of reception of the past and the specific period varry in certain periods. F.e. the reception of antiquity in armor design in the 15th century. In southern Germany armor became more slim and curvy to meme the ideal body. In Italy the overall concept of armor didn't change too much, but the design really evolved (f.e. the "alla antica" style).
@KnyghtErrant
@KnyghtErrant 8 жыл бұрын
+Drayran Oh don't get me wrong, I'm not criticizing your comment. I welcome comments like that to supplement my videos, because like I said I just can't get to everything. Please don't take it as me being offended. I appreciate your clarification, because you're absolutely right, in the absence of me saying something, people can very easily get the wrong idea.
@DrewsCoolStuff
@DrewsCoolStuff 4 жыл бұрын
THANK YOU!
@-NGC-6302-
@-NGC-6302- 2 жыл бұрын
I thought they were long so they would stay in stirrups better. Might be a misconception I learned as a kid.
@Tysto
@Tysto 2 жыл бұрын
It's incredible to me that so little exists of armor from the Middle Ages. These were very expensive & prestigious possessions. It seems like they would have been proudly passed down thru the centuries intact.
@Anglo-Saxon9
@Anglo-Saxon9 6 жыл бұрын
I finally know where the band Sabaton got their name!
@jurtra9090
@jurtra9090 3 жыл бұрын
Through the gates of hell As we make our way- Oh wait, wrong channel!
@albinotatertot
@albinotatertot 8 жыл бұрын
I think it's kind of funny and somewhat ironic that the plates that allow for articulation and movement are called "lames". lol
@puffinpillow9419
@puffinpillow9419 4 ай бұрын
"lame" in French means a strip of something like metal or wood. It also means "blade" which if you think about it is a strip of metal too. pronounced "L-Ah-m". I've noticed a lot of armor descriptions are French in origin
@illoney5663
@illoney5663 5 жыл бұрын
The articulation in high quality plate armour is just absolutely stunning.
@angelsfallfirst7348
@angelsfallfirst7348 5 жыл бұрын
For the grace, for the might of our Lord!
@japeshovel3707
@japeshovel3707 4 жыл бұрын
For the home of the holy
@angelsfallfirst7348
@angelsfallfirst7348 4 жыл бұрын
@@japeshovel3707 For the faith for the way of the sword,
@danielthompson6207
@danielthompson6207 8 жыл бұрын
I was sent here by Matt at Scholagladiatoria and, after these first two videos, I'm impressed! You give very detailed presentations on this stuff, which is hard to find on YT, and I'm looking forward to watching more of your videos. I have one question that has actually been on my mind for a while now but I can never really get a solid piece of information on it; How long on average would it take for a squire to fully arm his knight? From my research I've learned that it would be incredibly difficult, if not impossible in some cases, for a knight to get into his full suit without assistance so I was wondering into what sort of time frame would the whole arming process fit.
@KnyghtErrant
@KnyghtErrant 8 жыл бұрын
+Daniel Thompson For what I wear, I can get into everything on my feet and legs, and put on my mail shirt, but then I require assistance for the breastplate and arms. With someone helping me through the whole process, especially someone who is familiar with my armor (as any good squire should be :) ) it takes about 15 minutes if my arming garments are all already on and we're focusing on going fast. Probably 20 minutes on average, I will time it next time though :) (that actually sounds like a good video idea!)
@danielthompson6207
@danielthompson6207 8 жыл бұрын
Knyght Errant Ah that's not a very long time at all, and thanks for responding :) I agree that a good squire should be incredibly familiar with his knight's armor and how he fits into it, as well as how to clean and maintain it; otherwise he might not be squiring for very long! That would be a good video I think, the timing of getting into/out of everything and it would be a fine addition to your armor series. Another question was about transporting armor to and from battles; Do you know if the armor would be put on before setting out to a battle and ridden in the whole way, or put on when they got close to a pitched battlefield?
@KnyghtErrant
@KnyghtErrant 8 жыл бұрын
+Daniel Thompson Later armors could take more time to put on as they got more complicated or had more components too, so my estimate is specifically for what I wear. It's unlikely that people were going on forced march in full harness. If you were lucky enough to have full harness you would have put it on in your camp and ridden to the battle field as a more likely scenario, but the modern notion of the medieval 'pitched battle' was more the exception than the rule. Especially during the Hundred Years War the English much preferred small village and town raids called 'chevauchee.' The full scale pitched battle was not the most common type of fighting during this period.
@danielthompson6207
@danielthompson6207 8 жыл бұрын
+Knyght Errant That's as I suspected, I never did care for the theory of fully armored troops basically living in their armor (as modern shows like Game of Thrones would have you believe) and so-called pitched battles never made much tactical sense to me either. I'm going to do some reading about these chevauchee raids, and large scale Middle Age warfare in general as I'm not so educated on that subject either. I belong to a HEMA-type group and we focus on Iron Age Celtic/Northern European so I'm more familiar with small, mostly unarmored raiding parties. Thanks again for the reply and again I am really enjoying your channel, you've inspired me to learn more and that's always a good thing!
@Theicemonkeyjr
@Theicemonkeyjr 8 жыл бұрын
These videos are like crack to me, absolutely fascinating detailed looks at armour, thank you for making these and too a high standard!
@docstockandbarrel
@docstockandbarrel Жыл бұрын
Good stuff, appreciate the explanations.
@GermanSwordMaster
@GermanSwordMaster 8 жыл бұрын
Those vids are very valuable. Keep em coming :) !
@gentlemanzackp6591
@gentlemanzackp6591 Жыл бұрын
I forged duck feet armor, then i also forged segmented with a tri-hole for attaching spurs on the back plate. both worked well but you need to realize it does get awkward walking in them on different kind of terrain. For instance, on gravestone paths small stones travel between plate and you'd find yourself walking to the side lean on some wall or fence posts shaking stone out. till this guy mentioned sometimes knights would have chain maille sewn all over bottom of feet riveted eyeholes to each segments. this helped them run or give chase bandits or hooligans' in winter time. they were also padded with compacted wool between leather insole and maille. like today. there was 100's kinds of footwear and each had their opinion on which were best ones. I've seen leather soles that was thickened by maybe 4 layers and had brass hobnails around heel and ball of foot. many variations!
@Cyrillius1
@Cyrillius1 7 жыл бұрын
I have to make some of these for a cosplay, and your video was very useful! Thank you :) These are a very cool looking piece of kit
@jared925
@jared925 8 жыл бұрын
Another enjoyable and very informative video. Can't wait to see the next.
@KnyghtErrant
@KnyghtErrant 8 жыл бұрын
Jared McClelland Good news, there's a reply button for you now! ;)
@jared925
@jared925 8 жыл бұрын
Knyght Errant finally ha ha
@alexandarvoncarsteinzarovi3723
@alexandarvoncarsteinzarovi3723 6 жыл бұрын
I really do love the pointy versions of it they add a lot of flare to the foot wear, but I have a very soft spot of the riveted chain mail & gothic plates, they are so stylish,
@KincadeCeltoSlav
@KincadeCeltoSlav 8 жыл бұрын
A Very Informative and Well Explained demonstration! Very Much Looking Forward to the next! I am Very Pleased to make your acquaintance, Sir!
@foofad
@foofad 8 жыл бұрын
Your videos are awesome. I'm starting to make my own armor, and one thing that I notice is that a lot of the resources online omit a lot of the minutia that you cover. So thanks!
@noahnipperus7320
@noahnipperus7320 Ай бұрын
Is it just me or does it seem like the inseam lock mechanism should be rotated 90 degrees
@IkarusZmedieval
@IkarusZmedieval 5 жыл бұрын
Wow. Facinating historical invention.
@vimtheprotogen2855
@vimtheprotogen2855 8 жыл бұрын
Keep up the good work man
@alexandarvoncarsteinzarovi3723
@alexandarvoncarsteinzarovi3723 6 жыл бұрын
At Peleș Castle here in Romania, several of the armors kept there have sabatons with Italian style, at least I think it is, the one with the pointy spike head, I know there was lot of work with them as there were a fashion trend for the knights at the time, but your at the very least look comfortable, but just as functional, more so even.
@fredmore6214
@fredmore6214 3 жыл бұрын
Ian when the men didn't have the heel plate how did the sabaton stay on their foot? And: Why did some of the soldiers think they needed armor on their feet? Will you please do a video on what kind of metal was good to use for making the foot armor?
@KnyghtErrant
@KnyghtErrant 3 жыл бұрын
Hi Fred. In the absence of a heel plate there would have been a leather heel strap. In the 16th century they sometimes integrated the sabaton directly into the rest of the leg armor. I can't speculate on how common foot injuries were, but sabatons were worn with enough frequency in some form to suggest that the people who relied on the equipment found them more useful than not.
@moondonghwa
@moondonghwa 4 жыл бұрын
Thank you! really helpful to design
@samwallace2770
@samwallace2770 8 жыл бұрын
Just found your channel and I'm loving the videos. Very clear while still being incredibly instructive. Thank you! Is there any chance we could see the sources for the images you're referencing?
@KnyghtErrant
@KnyghtErrant 8 жыл бұрын
+Sam Wallace Hi Sam, thank you. 90% of the images I'm showing can be found on www.manuscriptminiatures.com its sister site www.effigiesandbrasses.com
@samwallace2770
@samwallace2770 8 жыл бұрын
+Knyght Errant Thank you! That's a huge help!
@tiggle5485
@tiggle5485 4 жыл бұрын
*FOR THE GRACE FOR THE MIGHT OF THE LORD* 🐴⚔️
@deadsp3ctre
@deadsp3ctre 3 жыл бұрын
FOR THE HOME OF THE HOLY
@furioustexan1263
@furioustexan1263 2 жыл бұрын
@@deadsp3ctre FOR THE FAITH, FOR THE WAY OF THE SWORD
@fivenightsofcheese4374
@fivenightsofcheese4374 Жыл бұрын
Amen.😇
@hery19741
@hery19741 4 жыл бұрын
Brilliant video, I learned a lot so thanks for that, and i have now subscribed as well :-) Take care.
@ogyrfiwargf
@ogyrfiwargf 6 жыл бұрын
Now imagine Sabaton's song named "Armor for the Foot" xD
@vysheslavuzumati1269
@vysheslavuzumati1269 2 жыл бұрын
I have some suede desert boots I wear to work, the new job I have required me to wear steel toed boots, me being me I bought some sabatons and put those on top of my boots to make them steel toed. Genius absolute genius.
@AlastorTheNPDemon
@AlastorTheNPDemon 8 жыл бұрын
You should get a basinet with buck teeth carvings! Oh, and your sabatons look like adorable Devonian creatures.
@therealliam4217
@therealliam4217 5 жыл бұрын
Subbed!!
@ethanchiasson9956
@ethanchiasson9956 5 жыл бұрын
earned my sub thank you
@amicableenmity9820
@amicableenmity9820 7 жыл бұрын
Sorry if someone already asked this question, but for those very long pointed sabatons, I read that the tip could be removed after dismounting. Would the tip of the foot then be exposed?
@KnyghtErrant
@KnyghtErrant 7 жыл бұрын
Yes, many survivals (not all) have removable toe caps. There's a full sabaton underneath them, the toe extension just goes on over the shorter toe lames. Here's a photo of the same survival in both states: Without - www.pinterest.com/pin/182325484890442979/ With - www.pinterest.com/pin/182325484890442980/
@amicableenmity9820
@amicableenmity9820 7 жыл бұрын
Knyght Errant Thanks man!
@TheFeanor74
@TheFeanor74 8 жыл бұрын
TY for this great series. I wish you would make a corresponding series for a full set of mail armor. How would mail protection for the foot work? Is it a small piece of mail covering your feet that is connected to the mail legs/chausses? Or is it a single piece of mail covering your complete foot and leg that is hold at the hip (perhaps attached to the arming doublet)?
@KnyghtErrant
@KnyghtErrant 8 жыл бұрын
+Fingolfin74 It seems as though mail feet were an extension of the mail chausses, and then secured over the shoe using lacing. It also seems like mail chausses (post 1250, when they are shown as no longer open down the back of the leg) were likely slit from the calf down and then laced closed once put on to get a nice tight fit over the calf. Otherwise you'd never be able to get your feet into well tailored chausses. Here's a statue where you can see some of the detail of the lacing on the foot (www.noorderwind.org/images/sag/malien/mail_chausse_roland_detail.jpg).
@TheAssassin409
@TheAssassin409 7 жыл бұрын
when walking, how much of the sabaton touches the ground? are you clanking away, or is your foot tall enough to keep the edges off of the ground? do you ever feel that the tip on your sabatons impedes on running, or that it catches on things when you walk?
@Floridabum1
@Floridabum1 5 жыл бұрын
I can't imagine the pointy, long toes helping in combat, especially when it comes to running.
@TheCompleteMental
@TheCompleteMental 3 жыл бұрын
They didnt wear them in combat
@WolfyAteUrSocks
@WolfyAteUrSocks 4 жыл бұрын
In your experience and from what you know of other armor, do you find that the sides of the sabatons often touch the ground? Even if it's just to scrape a little due to the flexibility of the shoe/foot? (I'm writing a book--your videos have been extremely helpful)
@Kurogumo
@Kurogumo 3 жыл бұрын
Not unless they are loosely fitted.
@WolfyAteUrSocks
@WolfyAteUrSocks 3 жыл бұрын
@@Kurogumo Thanks!
@louispawel8326
@louispawel8326 8 жыл бұрын
3:34 shows how the crown knot is done correctly. A crown knot is an absolute must in case of exposed bindings on armour. Cuz loops will get opened by bushes, gras, sticks... Many people think it would be hard to open such a crown knot - it's not, as you can pull one lanyard up and the crown knot will flip up to be easily opened. Old salts also know that :) Keep it in mind for further videos but especially for yourself. And... keep it up! Your videos are a pretty nice presentation :)
@KnyghtErrant
@KnyghtErrant 8 жыл бұрын
Louis Pawel Thank you, I will definitely give it a shot. Much appreciated.
@KnyghtErrant
@KnyghtErrant 8 жыл бұрын
Louis Pawel Just wanted to follow up with you on this. Upon further review I'm pretty confident that the Philip the Bold sabaton fragment is showing a square knot. I've experimented with this and it works pretty well for pointing the sabs.
@louispawel8326
@louispawel8326 8 жыл бұрын
Knyght Errant Erm... right square knot seems to be absoloutely correct. My "Lion"-Translator is kidding me.
@mandragoradravgis
@mandragoradravgis 6 жыл бұрын
So what kind of impact or injury are these reasonably exxpected to absorb?
@cryo2156
@cryo2156 5 жыл бұрын
If you wear these will the Winged Hussars arrive?
@KnyghtErrant
@KnyghtErrant 5 жыл бұрын
Coming down the mountainside.
@sarcastichamsandwich5413
@sarcastichamsandwich5413 8 жыл бұрын
This is utterly fascinating. I've been relatively new to your channel, so I don't know if this question has been sprung up, but I was wondering: who was allowed to wear armor in the Middle Ages? Was it socially acceptable for people (with the money, of course) outside of knighthood, an occupation in guarding, or nobility to buy armor for themselves?
@KnyghtErrant
@KnyghtErrant 8 жыл бұрын
+Emnuzuse Alor The later you go in the Middle Ages, the more accessible armor is to people with less wealth. The major barrier for the bulk of the time is money. I'm unaware of any laws that forbade certain classes to wear armor. By the time plate armor becomes common, it's normal to see depictions of gentle born men-at-arms who are not necessarily knights wearing it. By the later parts of the 15th century plate armor seems to be even more obtainable further down the economic food chain. Wealthy lords could also purchase armor to outfit their less wealthy troops and servants.
@sarcastichamsandwich5413
@sarcastichamsandwich5413 8 жыл бұрын
Great info and quick reply. Thanks, man! That question's been on my mind lately. You've cleared it up nicely. c:
@reggulus652
@reggulus652 5 жыл бұрын
I heard from Lindybeige that the heel plate makes it difficult to walk in (in his video where he has his own sabatons made.) What do you think?
@KnyghtErrant
@KnyghtErrant 5 жыл бұрын
I've found that I don't even notice my heel plate after a day in armor.
@jenny666barnish
@jenny666barnish 6 жыл бұрын
Hi there! Great video. I just wondered; some lames overlap from the toe section uppermost and some overlap with the toe being underneath. Is there a right or wrong way and why are they different? Many thanks
@Firebow353
@Firebow353 6 жыл бұрын
I was wondering at the direction of the lame articulation as well, as I thought I'd seen some as in the video, some in the reverse direction, etc.
@Captain-Electro
@Captain-Electro 6 жыл бұрын
They are like rollie pollies for your feet!
@jordanreeseyre
@jordanreeseyre 8 жыл бұрын
From your experience wearing sabatons do you find that they impede twisting motion of the foot much? I have seen Dr. Tobias Kapwell posit that some styles for knights focused on foot combat may have riveted the lames to connecting leather and wondered if this was a reason.
@KnyghtErrant
@KnyghtErrant 8 жыл бұрын
+Rokoman The sliding rivet articulation in my sabs permits some twist. I've not found it to be inhibiting. One area where I've heard leathers will shine is in particularly muddy situations where sliding rivets will tend to get more gunked up.
@medicinemandude8426
@medicinemandude8426 8 жыл бұрын
Another great video! I just have a question. Wouldn’t the soft leather soles be quite slippery to wear? Especially for a man weighted down by armour, on uneven grass, or wet mud. Also, wouldn’t it be easy to step on something sharp that would just go straight into your foot? Theoretically speaking, of course! :)
@KnyghtErrant
@KnyghtErrant 8 жыл бұрын
+MedicineManDude It's noted in some accounts that people may have wrapped cord around the bottoms of their shoes to create makeshift treads in certain situations. Without doing something like that they are more slippery than modern footwear of course, but they're not nearly as bad as people assume them to be. Because the soles are nice and soft, you get pretty good purchase on the ground. Yes, I suppose if you stepped on something very sharp it could potentially go through the sole.
@medicinemandude8426
@medicinemandude8426 8 жыл бұрын
Thanks very much, and keep up the fantastic work! Cheers!
@dimitrizaitsew1988
@dimitrizaitsew1988 6 жыл бұрын
From your experience: does it hurt when you step on sharp rocks?
@PieterBreda
@PieterBreda 8 жыл бұрын
Nothing beats modern shoes and soles. Image walking in slippery grass or mud without a sole pattern. You will slip all the time. And even nails on the soles (don't know if they did them in in the middle ages), you will slip on hard surfaces. The sabatons are a nice piece of work by the way. Really smartly made.
@ohauss
@ohauss 8 жыл бұрын
+Pieter Batenburg But there is such a thing as too much grip. For some moves, it is good to be able to turn the foot on the ground without lifting it, thereby changing your facing while keeping one foot stable. With too much grip, trying that can be rather awkward for the joints.
@lughfiregod16
@lughfiregod16 8 жыл бұрын
+Pieter Batenburg Part of it is that with modern shoes you tend to put weight on your heel. When barefoot or with a light shoe, you put your weight on the ball of your foot. Though there _are_ modern thin soled shoes that would likely work well enough.
@KnyghtErrant
@KnyghtErrant 8 жыл бұрын
+Jane Murphy Historical shoes have been studied for wear patterns, and it reveals that the normal gait that historical people used for walking was likely still heel to toe much like us, but when you're running or sprinting or doing something athletic, then yes absolutely the weight shifts to the ball of your foot.
@lughfiregod16
@lughfiregod16 8 жыл бұрын
Knyght Errant Yes, that is what I meant to say, I just worded it badly. :)
@louiscyfer6944
@louiscyfer6944 6 жыл бұрын
how bad is it to walk over rough surfaces or rocks and twigs on the ground with a soft soled shoe like that?
@christophermann3156
@christophermann3156 8 жыл бұрын
so I'm wondering, is there any historical example of protection on the bottom of the foot? I ask because with as much effort as medieval armorers put into providing truly complete protection, I can't imagine that something that basic would be overlooked. Or were caltrops and the like just that absent from late medieval battlefields?
@KorKhan89
@KorKhan89 8 жыл бұрын
+Christopher Mann There's no such thing as complete protection. Then as now, armour is always designed to create an ideal compromise between mobility and safety. All medieval armours therefore had gaps and weaknesses in them, be it in the armpit, the back of the leg or in front of the eyes. In the case of the feet, the ability to walk properly took precedence over absolute coverage, since metal soles would have been too much of a hindrance. The same goes for the palms of the hands.
@spinnetti
@spinnetti 7 жыл бұрын
Nice! Where can I get some of those?
@dimitrizaitsew1988
@dimitrizaitsew1988 6 жыл бұрын
Why do the shoes have such soft soles? Walking and marching in them over hard rocky ground must have been a painful thing. I imagine stepping on a sharp rock, a broken off arrowhead or a caltrop could lead to injuries.
@ekzpo3876
@ekzpo3876 6 жыл бұрын
You have to remember that a lot of people walked around barefoot more often than they wore shoes, and that most shoes people did wear were very thin like this, so everyone had really hard and rough feet. Like how people that now run marathons on paved roads barefoot can handle it. Although, I do agree that an arrowtip or caltrop could be a major problem, especially if walking in formation with a visor down and not being able to see the ground.
@christopherdavis7069
@christopherdavis7069 3 жыл бұрын
Can you do a video on the visored kettle helmet?
@Vykkylou
@Vykkylou 6 жыл бұрын
What we really need, now, is a video on how to make the shoes.
@Qutut
@Qutut 8 жыл бұрын
I have one Question about Sabatons, or more precisely, the shoes. Do they have any grip on slippery ground? Because they look flat in the video, so wouldn't you have difficulties walking up a hill when it's raining (or on slippery ground in general) ?
@KnyghtErrant
@KnyghtErrant 8 жыл бұрын
+Qutut It's noted in some accounts that people may have wrapped cord around the bottoms of their shoes to create makeshift treads in certain situations. Without doing something like that they are more slippery than modern footwear of course, but they're not nearly as bad as people assume them to be. Because the soles are nice and soft, you get pretty good purchase on the ground.
@lennyAndlemon
@lennyAndlemon 4 жыл бұрын
you should have been playing sabaton in the back ground as you talk about sabatons
@Hephera
@Hephera 7 жыл бұрын
Hi Ian. I stumbled on this video while scouring the internet for some kind of explanation for the, as you say, comically elongated sabatons seen on 15th century gothic armour. I understand shoes of that style were in fashion at the time but would sabatons of that sort completely decorative and only for rich nobles to show off to eachother or would they ever have actually been used for combat? I cant imagine even being able to walk on uneven ground with a toe that long let alone fight for my life. and even if they were only used by mounted soldiers surely one would want a sabaton that did not interfere with your ability to run away or fight should you be de-horsed. Do you know anything about this?
@KnyghtErrant
@KnyghtErrant 7 жыл бұрын
They are definitely a fashion statement, but they are also part of real war harnesses. They would have been used exclusively in stirrups, so not for fighting on foot (as you obviously can't really walk in them effectively), but in most cases they are actually a cap on the rest of the sabaton that can be removed if needed.
@Hephera
@Hephera 7 жыл бұрын
Knyght Errant interesting. Thank you!
@alexamerling79
@alexamerling79 2 жыл бұрын
Ah so this is what my favorite band is named after...
@agnault
@agnault 7 жыл бұрын
How was armor chain & plate kept from rusting historically?
@KnyghtErrant
@KnyghtErrant 7 жыл бұрын
Polishing with abrasives and natural oils to remove rust, more naturals oils and waxes to help prevent more rust. Mail (chainmail) was routinely tumbled in barrels with bran (the husk of natural grains) to abrade rust off of the rings.
@TheNielsvenema
@TheNielsvenema 7 жыл бұрын
After doing some research I see 2 types of sabatons, 1 type is as yours where the first part (toe) ends up UNDER the second. I also see types where the first part goes on TOP of the second. Thinking of a horizontal impact, the "second type" seems more logical. Are both types historically correct?
@KnyghtErrant
@KnyghtErrant 7 жыл бұрын
The majority of the survivals out there show a toe plate overlapping the next lame of the metatarsals, so the toe on top. There are a few exceptions, but one thing to keep in mind is that virtually all surviving sabatons are from continental Europe. This is in contrast to what appears to be the norm in England, where the plates often lap in the opposite direction (toe under the next lame). Beyond direction of overlap though, there are a lot of ways that sabatons can vary.
@nielsvenema1538
@nielsvenema1538 7 жыл бұрын
Knyght Errant ok, thanks a lot for the explanation!
@Firebow353
@Firebow353 6 жыл бұрын
Thank you for that clarification!
@GermanSwordMaster
@GermanSwordMaster 8 жыл бұрын
You could have added the info, that those long points on late gothic sabatons, like on Sigismund´s harness, are detachable :)
@KnyghtErrant
@KnyghtErrant 8 жыл бұрын
Blank- blade You're right. They are detachable, likely worn only when mounted and detached if you need to walk or fight on foot. There's a lot of little things I'd love to talk about in each video, but I fear they'd all be 30+ minutes long if I did that! ;)
@GermanSwordMaster
@GermanSwordMaster 8 жыл бұрын
Knyght Errant True. Limited time. As i said in my other comment, awesome work, keep it up ! :) Love your kit :) ! I had the chance to talk with a german top-armourer, whos a friend of mine about the sigismunds-harness, standing before it. Its a magnificent sight. Breathtaking work of art. And such an inticricate construction, with riding plates at the armpits and other fun stuff ^^
@Waldemarvonanhalt
@Waldemarvonanhalt 6 жыл бұрын
Knyght Errant are there any shoemakers in particular that you would recommend?
@KnyghtErrant
@KnyghtErrant 6 жыл бұрын
High end shoemakers are ANA Period Shoes and NP Historical Shoes. More affordable options are Simurlan Shoes and Historical Footwear by Fra.
@Waldemarvonanhalt
@Waldemarvonanhalt 6 жыл бұрын
Knyght Errant Thank you. I've bought from Ana before and was considering NP next
@modernclips3868
@modernclips3868 7 жыл бұрын
Sapagi in Russian, and also many crusader knights in the desert had to cut the long sharp bits off so they could run away from enemies and....the longer the sharp point on the sabatons, the higher the noble status.
@keggan519
@keggan519 8 жыл бұрын
"Medieval Puzzles" and "Guns, Germs and Steel." I have those books as well... And they just happen to sit next to each other too.
@ikksksknsk4720
@ikksksknsk4720 8 жыл бұрын
I've heard that Guns, Germs, and Steel isn't highly regarded among academic historians. I've seen people refer to it as "Guns, Germs, and Generalizations."
@annedebroeck2451
@annedebroeck2451 3 жыл бұрын
Are these specifically an English style or were they common in continental Europe too?
@KnyghtErrant
@KnyghtErrant 3 жыл бұрын
These are actually more of a continental style than an English style. These were made before Dr. Capwell published his research on the details of English armor, and it turns out that there was likely an English preference for leather articulation as opposed to sliding rivets in sabatons. He asserts the reason for this being the English preference to dismount the men-at-arms and fight on foot. Leathers get gummed up a lot less than sliding rivets do when they are in the dirt. The overall look of the sabaton would be roughly the same in both England and the continent, it's more that what's under the hood might differ from one region to the other during this particular time period.
@annedebroeck2451
@annedebroeck2451 3 жыл бұрын
@@KnyghtErrant Interesting. Is it reasonable to assume soldiers in continental Europe would have worn the style with leather articulation if they fought on foot?
@KnyghtErrant
@KnyghtErrant 3 жыл бұрын
There are so few surviving surviving sabatons from the period that it is almost impossible to know for sure. The most well known survival are the pair of sabatons from the then child Dauphin, the future Charles VI of the France, in Chartres, and they are built like mine.
@TheCompleteMental
@TheCompleteMental 2 жыл бұрын
Ive heard the plate on the heel limits range of motion. Can you verify this?
@KnyghtErrant
@KnyghtErrant 2 жыл бұрын
I've never noticed any meaningful limitation from my heel plates. They should be closely fit to a proper medieval style shoe. Sabs are one of those pieces that are kind of tricky to get right though.
@leeschao3743
@leeschao3743 8 жыл бұрын
Great video! just wondering where can i get those shoes?
@dimitrizaitsew1988
@dimitrizaitsew1988 6 жыл бұрын
You can buy medieval clothing on many websites like this one: historicenterprises.com/
@hacheurdepoulet
@hacheurdepoulet 8 жыл бұрын
Y'ello, I was wondering if you found any proof of some sort of historical crampons for the battlefield... I keep falling down, it's quite annoying :p
@KnyghtErrant
@KnyghtErrant 7 жыл бұрын
Off the top of my head (I don't have a source handy) I want to say I recall reading accounts of judicial duels where a combatant tied cord around their shoes to provide some makeshift tread.
@pauloinventostube7533
@pauloinventostube7533 Жыл бұрын
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@angelocoppola5295
@angelocoppola5295 6 жыл бұрын
complimenti sei molto bravo tanti saluti angelo coppola ti saluta andrauss
@planesrift
@planesrift 7 жыл бұрын
where can i get those shoes?
@KnyghtErrant
@KnyghtErrant 7 жыл бұрын
I made mine.
@planesrift
@planesrift 7 жыл бұрын
Aww. :( Those are some sexy looking shoes!
@MrHusang23
@MrHusang23 4 жыл бұрын
I wonder if it's possible to use sabatons as weapons? If you're on horseback & able to take out your foot from the stirrup quickly, maybe you can kick someone in the head with it? And if the sabaton is pointy enough, maybe it can do serious damage? I don't think knights used this method, but still...
@KnyghtErrant
@KnyghtErrant 4 жыл бұрын
Perhaps in a moment of extreme desperation, but I think unless very specific and rare circumstances align, there is almost always a better option. The reason they're pointed has far more to do with fashionable footwear than anything related to them being used offensively.
@isildu
@isildu 8 жыл бұрын
Do you wear socks underrneath them?
@KnyghtErrant
@KnyghtErrant 8 жыл бұрын
isildu No. You would wear the wool hose shown in the previous video. They have attached feet.
@isildu
@isildu 8 жыл бұрын
Knyght Errant Thanks, I didn't get that part of it. It does seem to me that the ankle joint is unprotected, being above the sabaton and beneath the greaves. Am I seeing this right? (by the way, I love your vids, so keep them coming)
@KnyghtErrant
@KnyghtErrant 8 жыл бұрын
isildu The points of the ankle are pretty well covered by the saddle at the bottom of the greaves. There is some gapping at the top of the instep of the foot during certain ankle positions but it is not an easy target. This gap was sometimes mitigated by small patches of mail. You can see in example in the greaves video here: kzfaq.info/get/bejne/f9B2m5qclqmwip8.htmlm
@PJDAltamirus0425
@PJDAltamirus0425 8 жыл бұрын
+Knyght Errant Why would you what absolutely not gap at the foot? Being able, the adjust your feet for dirrent swings, get better pressure, etc. It would be like trying to make the elbow and wrist joints rigid, hurts the fighter more than it helps
@gokmasahala3032
@gokmasahala3032 5 жыл бұрын
TANK'S FOR YOU TECHING ME ..YESUS KRISTUS MENGASIHIMU SAUDARAKU (INDONESIA )
@willek1335
@willek1335 8 жыл бұрын
Hi. I'm refer to 1:30 and knights wearing no protection at all. Looking over statistics of effigies of German footwork I've noticed they, unlike the English and French often choose to wear neither mail nor plate. Just the shoe. I couldn't find any answer in the comments or other videos talking about this. i.imgur.com/5SovSbm.png?1 I'm curious weather it was a "fashion" thing by the German artists, because it's strictly a regional prevalence. It seems rather strange to see them start with mail, then some choose to move over to no apparent armor at all. I'm also thinking I'm reading it wrong somehow. Thank you for any help.
@KnyghtErrant
@KnyghtErrant 8 жыл бұрын
+Wille k The same trend is reflected in artwork. It seems that for every illumination of man in harness with sabs on there's another with just shoes. It's a good question that I unfortunately don't have a good answer for.
@willek1335
@willek1335 8 жыл бұрын
My only guess is that they strapped textile over their sabatons to mimic civilian foot fashion of the day in Germany. As you can notice, I'm grasping straws here, so I guess I'll just have to suspend my judgement for the future.
@KnyghtErrant
@KnyghtErrant 8 жыл бұрын
Wille k I wouldn't necessarily think that. In a lot of the images or sculptures where they depict shoes they appear to just be shoes in place of sabatons. When armor mimics civilian dress it may take on a similar shape but it's generally still identifiable as armor. I think they're just literally not wearing sabatons in a lot instances.
@sleak9783
@sleak9783 4 жыл бұрын
The Ian McCollum of armor
@popeyethepirate5473
@popeyethepirate5473 4 жыл бұрын
I see why they needed squires
@grimreapybones2875
@grimreapybones2875 5 күн бұрын
Weird, most fotos of sobatons on the internet are of sabatons that have the next piece underlaping the previous where as these are overlapping the previous This is also how I designed mine, an my gauntlets are the opposite, underlaping
@Apollo_Vanron
@Apollo_Vanron 6 жыл бұрын
Looks like cyber mites
@sukuicarp605
@sukuicarp605 5 жыл бұрын
i legit thought that its a new fan made music video.not like a literal meaning of sabaton
@iordanchis2437
@iordanchis2437 3 жыл бұрын
Why is it that every history enthusiast no matter his age, has old furniture in his study? Old bookshelf, old rug, old couch.
@KnyghtErrant
@KnyghtErrant 3 жыл бұрын
Does wood = old?
@iordanchis2437
@iordanchis2437 3 жыл бұрын
@@KnyghtErrant no ofc not. But the design of it is not modern / contemporary. Neither is the design of the rest of the furniture from what I can see. It's not like a bad thing. I believe that the hardwood bookshelf from the background holds better then an IKEA one for sure. I just found it to be an interesting observation.
@briceonyoutube7215
@briceonyoutube7215 2 жыл бұрын
Why use this instead of a pair of super thick leather boots?
@Usammityduzntafraidofanythin
@Usammityduzntafraidofanythin 8 жыл бұрын
I guess by the 14th century people realized 'we can make hinges?!?!'
@KnyghtErrant
@KnyghtErrant 8 жыл бұрын
+No Free Will Hinges were a feature in metalwork long before the 14th century. :)
@Usammityduzntafraidofanythin
@Usammityduzntafraidofanythin 8 жыл бұрын
Knyght Errant In middle ages? Really?
@KnyghtErrant
@KnyghtErrant 8 жыл бұрын
Chests, doors (indirectly on a lot of belt buckles). Hinges predate the medieval era by a long shot. They're on Roman Lorica Segmentata They're even mentioned in the Old Testament of the Bible.
@Usammityduzntafraidofanythin
@Usammityduzntafraidofanythin 8 жыл бұрын
Knyght Errant So any old village smith had no trouble making a hinge?
@KnyghtErrant
@KnyghtErrant 8 жыл бұрын
Sure, there's nothing too complex about forging out a hinge. I would imagine it's a normal task for any competent blacksmith. It's really just the end of a piece of metal bent around a pin. If you have interlocking hinges, you'd just have to file out the notches where the two hinges go together.
@thegodzillaAlchemist
@thegodzillaAlchemist 2 жыл бұрын
Then the winged hussars arrived………..oh wrong sabaton
@cucumbersman1059
@cucumbersman1059 6 жыл бұрын
Now try putting that onto a roblox character.
@JoaoFelipe-gm3pq
@JoaoFelipe-gm3pq Жыл бұрын
Through the gates of hell As we make our way to heaven Through the nazi lines.....
@GregTom2
@GregTom2 6 жыл бұрын
... That's probably someone's fetish.
@hugehappygrin
@hugehappygrin 6 жыл бұрын
Your explanation of the sabatons proves that the World of Warcraft idea of just picking up looted armor and just wearing it, is crap.
@cesarandrade1987
@cesarandrade1987 6 жыл бұрын
You want to make people grind for specific armor sizes and shapes in a already grindy as fuck game? That's why you are not a game designer.
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