The idea is noble, but I cannot think of anything the ANC touched that is still working.

I work with a government clinic. Lightbulbs are not getting changed. Benches are broken. The money is allocated at treasury level but it never arrives at the clinic. 75% goes to cadres and their staff salaries, only 25% goes to medicines and equipment. NHI is just going to make more money available to steal. the nice private hospitals they are planning to take over will end up being manned by rude, poorly trained and lazy nurses. Maintenance and upkeep will be abandoned and the nice places will just become the new shtty places like the current public hospitals and clinics. Also, everyone keeps talking about how unfair it is that taxpayers get private care... if I take you out to dinner, buy your outfit for the evening, pay for your transport, pay for your hair and make up, pay for your hotel, pay for the movie, pay for your safe return home and give you pocket money afterwards... how is it unfair to you that the next day I choose to go to another venue without you? It is MY money! Taxpayers are already paying for everything given to non-taxpayers for free like free electricity, education, water, RDPs and more.. so how is it unfair to people who contribute nothing that the worker wants to spend his money on private care? On top of that, the people voting for the corrupt government that is stealing are the non-taxpayers to begin with!

Please vote the ANC out!

The timing makes it suspicious.

Cancel the R350 grant and redirect that money to the health system.

The fact tht they will deduct from our PAYE tax to fund this is shameless

Eskom, SAA, Denel, Post Office, Transnet, NHI get ready for the medical aids to collapse and the Dr's to leave!

Get ready for Health-shedding. We know what happened to every other SOE & department the ANC reached into.

There are NOT ENOUGH PEOPLE PAYING to fund the NHI bill. Too little people are employed (thanks to the #ANC). The people paying for medical aid at this point will not fund the NHI and pay for a medical aid.

The NHI funding will be deducted from your Tax, that would be even higher when you get your salary. (Investigations regarding the affordability of the National Health Insurance (NHI) reveal that each formally employed South African would be required to contribute R1,500 per month via a payroll tax to fulfill the Department of Health's funding projections.) And everything else on Tax goes up!! How are we suppose to make a living. Apart from the fact that everything that goes in a Fund or what ever, always ends up as Corruption.!!! The State hospitals could not be looked after. Now they want to implement a NHI Bill.?? ANC stood for 30 Years, what have they acomplished so far???

2 weeks SA. Just 2 more weeks until you can save yourself.

ANC will steal all that money!!!

Let's make sure that as soon as the President's signature lands on the NHI Bill, it becomes compulsory for every minister in government to only seek medical attention in South African public hospitals and that they first and foremost are subject to this bill.

This will sink the economy to the point where everyone will be living below the bread line.

VOTE THE ANC OUT 🙏

This dude is what is wrong with our country

Can anyone talk about the latest numbers from the UN Refugee Council that say there are 3,000,000 (yes million) refugees in South Africa from Zimbabwe and a further 2,000,000 refugees from Mozambique. How do we pay NHI for these people? Get your house in order first before you make plans to BREAK more things!

The “tiny” percent of population referred to by Cosatu is the tiny percent that pay taxes. Our tiny personal tax base funds govt coffers.

They don’t even take care of existing clinics 😢😢😢😢😢

Everything they touch they destroy. Name one thing that the ANC has done right?

Nehawu clearly seeing money for its leaders if NHI is implemented...

And what are you going to do when everyone cancels their medical aid?😂

People please do not be ignorant. Its all political. Now I don't have medical aid just to make things clear. I use public clinics. My daughter was born in a public clinic. Retreat MOU to be specific. 1. The money that is supposed to upkeep public facilities is not managed properly. There is a lack of staff equipment is not repair or serviced to name a few. 2 Where will the money come from? People's taxes. VAT etc, 3. Regarding VAT for example on consumables will technically raise prices on on foods. Technically making us not afford food anymore already food does not last a whole month. 4. Fix the Public health system first. These people when they get sick you will not see them in public hospitals because theyknow that they are ran down. I have to fxxx stand in a line for 4 hour to be assisted. Let them fix the heath system first before jumping into things that they have not done research on

Medical professionals will flee and we'll be left with scammers. It's gonna be a tragedy 😑

First show us that you can run an NHI by running our current Public hospitals as it should be operated. At the moment there is no state hospital that is under ANC control that are running up to standard. Show me one, just one state hospital that does not struggle with mismanagement of funds and corruption, theft etc.

*_The ANC has absolutely NO REPSECT for tax payer's money. They think it's an endless money pit that they can misuse. This is NOT the way to run a country._*

You can't build a house without a foundation and expect it to stand the test of time just as you can have a bill without having proper facilities and staff compliment and proper funding! How have these issues been addressed to make these institutions sustainable over a long period. Continue chasing your tax paying citizens and you will soon have no tax base as those who are contributing will be leaving SA.

More empty promises the uneducated masses will fall for😂😂

We have loadshedin Health shedding Water shedding what more in this country 😮

Those who can emigrate, please save yourselves. This country is going down the drain.

ANC HAVE DONE THIS FOR YOUR VOTES, NOTHING WILL CHANGE ..

Cut the salaries of the big government agents and use that money for the NHI

See, everybody had clever things to say UNTIL Prof Alex started talking about how this grandoise dream is going to be funded. There's no such thing as a free lunch!!!!

Wow so trade unions 'tax rebate and medical aid must be redirected to NHI' Why on earth would I still contribute to the medical aid then? The blatant truth is you have to raise taxes and not to the point where the tax is equivalent to what I paid in medical aid it would have to be triple cause I would have to fund all the other people than before.

Why Anc led government doesn't tell or give citizens the results of NHI pilot projects that happened few years ago. What did they learned ?

Gov. Says there is no money to employ doctors and nurses sitting at home,,,,, now who will do the work

Remove hospital tenders

If for one second you think the ANC can pull an NHI 😂😂😂😂😂 off you are a fool not these self serving thieves Mbulula will not be moving around in a G wagon he will have a helicopter 😂😂😂

If what is being contributed for Medical Aid is channeled to the NHI , that means the same tax payers who were paying for private Health Care will start paying for public Health Care (In addition to tax that they were already paying for free public services to work, and the tax also will be increased) , am I right by saying this ? Why do I feel like the government always burdens the tax payers at every given opportunity , just to make things that they have either broken or have stolen the money for , work ? It's a sin to be a tax payer in this country. We really are in the last days.

The country as we know is gone. Zimbabwe here we come

I pay tax and I pay my medical scheme for private Healthcare . I am not interested in making use of free health service which is sub standard which I have already paid for as a taxpayer. State hospitals will still be without medicine, sheets, blankets, broken equipment, delapidated dirty facilities, lazy obese incompetent nurses and staff run by unions. All government departments are in a mess like Dept of Education, police services, Transnet, Spoornet , ESCOM, DENEL, all State owned Enterprises, SAA, and even the military has gone for a loop. The health service will remain a shithole service.

Anc is confusing now😮

What a time to be a medical student lol Once i graduate i am leaving

Yes BEE will go on a feeding frenzy,they must be rubbing their hands together,saying soon we will have a feeding frenzy

Maybe the majority needs to breed less.... Have 1 child per family not 6

I am really shocked and confused about the office advising Ramaphosa . There's a problem with Nsfas and now the issues of health facilities and services is coming up. Most government hospitals are a mess. The condition is very bad. Maybe the president must take time and understand the difference between public and private

When I watch any discussions in government and government policies I drink every time someone refers to 1994 or apartheid

So Money that is meant to be paid back to tax payers for paying too much on tax (tax rebates) must be used to fund NHI + People paying for medical aid- Words from Mavuso

The healthcare system in South Africa is in a dire state, primarily due to extensive corruption within the ANC, which has siphoned funds from the health sector for years. Despite their claims that these issues stem from 30 years ago, the reality is far more current and pressing. The government's new plan to dismantle private medical aids and redirect those funds into the public sector is alarming. Given the government's track record, there's a valid concern that these funds will disappear just as previous resources have. This move appears to be a desperate attempt by a struggling party to exploit the mostly unemployed population, extracting money that many simply don't have, to further enrich corrupt officials.

This is a disaster. Low earning people are already drowning in debt due to inflation. Our health service is a nightmare already in so many ways, and now a bill is signed before fixing first the problems in government health centers that are in a mess.

Our public clinics and hospitals perform poorly due to lack of equipment what government do.

Another bill being signed , with what supporting structure ,to an effective and a fruitful implementation in sight. Medical fraterinties ,sectors,facilities, infrastructure, cannot make it a reality, with no upgrading to cater, for the influx ,since medical aides will be effected by this policy.

I am so tired! Yho!

Ramaphosa cant even understand the process that goes into buying a loaf of breat.So this is so difficult for him to understand.

this Nehawu guy would never go to a public hospital

Mabuso is a Mamparra

Let the new incoming president cancel the act or bill

Once again there are promises made to the poor of our country....that will never be delivered....disgusting.

Will the foreigner contribute, or will it just be SA citizens being drained.

Only 10 percent of pleople in SA pay tax. Only a small fraction pay for medical aid. How can they pay for NHI for the other 90 percent?

“Not being totally honest”. Indeed.

They should Focus on creating Jobs for people to afford food and healthcare. How do you focus on giving people health care when they are Starving This is just a front for Votes because they don’t even know where the money will come from.

Health Shedding coming to a hospital near you!!!

Private hospitals charge exorbitant prices for operations n stay. Medical aids make huge profits. Government must control pricing of services. That's how it's done in India in the private sector.

This is inequality. How can all have access if all are not contributing? We must also equalize equal access for equal contributions. All must contribute the same for the same access.

So this basically means there won't be any private hospitals left....

The timing is perfect. The timing is not the gist of this discussion. What matters is Universal Health Care for all. Policy comes first, followed by Law and finally systems are put in place and current health wellness infrastructer pivoted appropriately. Vote wisely.

From this, the only thing i get that the health system will follow the same model that is not working under the NHI and might also perpetuate the problem. instead of using the NHI to address the imbalances that are within the health system. We need to recognize that our health system is not holistic and that is what causing an overburden in public health institutions. a proper reform must aim to improve the entire health system and not just a portion thereof.

My questions is what is the difference between the NHI bill and the free health from state Hospitals, and what are the costs that are involved with the NHI bill ,and will it affect the private use of medical aid .?

Tax paying should be allowed to vote for these bills that we paying for

I am happy for this as your medical aid has become far too expensive to afford. My only concern is why has the government hospital caplapst and why. I don't see maintenance taking place when I go there. Why is there no correct systems in place that this has happened and will this lack of maintenance and medicine continue. It will only work if corruption stops in the government system. Otherwise it is great to give free health. I do battle after I have retired.

Bad idea ☹️☹️

It is very imperative that in such discourse, well informed people should be invited for both side of the arguments, it can be that you bring a Prof one side and a unionist on the other side, unless there's a certain narrative behind. Its not fair

What needs to be addressed is the inequality that the country is facing.

President Ramaposa signed the NHI bill this afternoon and Mr.Mavuso stated clearly that it will be funded by the tax payers and GEMS medical Aid schem,my concern is how safe is our pension on this

Great stuff starve!

After 30 years of democracy, President Ramaphosa should have been focusing on signing the amendment to Section 25 of the Constitution, which would enable expropriation without compensation-a crucial step towards addressing historical injustices and redistributing land. Instead, the focus has shifted to the National Health Insurance (NHI), a policy that doesn't threaten the economic dominance of the minority (white monopoly capital), but rather undermines the interests of the already disadvantaged black working class. The NHI is problematic for several reasons. Firstly, any initiative involving a substantial fund inevitably invites maladministration and embezzlement, given South Africa's history of corruption and financial mismanagement. The establishment of the NHI Fund could become another vehicle for siphoning off public money, detracting from its intended purpose of improving healthcare for all. It’s revealing how differently initiatives are treated based on who supports them. When President Zuma attempted to sign a nuclear deal with Russia to address our energy crisis, he faced fierce opposition and was nearly politically destroyed. Yet, Ramaphosa’s NHI, despite its flaws and potential to harm the poor, is met with a more favorable reception, it is engaged openly and argued simply because he is seen as a more palatable leader. This double standard highlights the inconsistencies in our political landscape and raises serious concerns about the genuine priorities of our leadership. Instead of implementing a flawed NHI, our efforts should be directed towards more pressing issues like land reform and ensuring financial accountability. South Africa cannot afford another mismanaged fund that ultimately fails to deliver on its promises to the people.

Tax burden that "everybody" faces? Psss off man

Goodbye to our salaries and pensions. Already there is no staff, no medication,, no working equipment in clinics and hospitals inspite of large amounts of taxes taken from the few working people. No increments for staff members . Few workers will insure the whole world population including the consumer officials who are doing this for theme in the first place. We are finished. Majority is unemployed but will be covered, from what funds?

Uneducated ministration is a problem in this country.. Seems this guy has a 3rd grade education

In 2 weeks time there will no longer be a South Africa.

So what I am hearing is, the Nurses association. Is under the impression that I will continue paying my current Medical aid payment as Tax instead? So I will get to pay the same amount, but because I am white male over 30, that I can expect the limited treatments? As further reparation payments? So what is going to stop me to just pay the amount my expected services is worth to me?

What this guy from Nehawu doesnt seem to realise is that medical aid is a choice - a very expensive one, but a choice. Its not a tax. Many people would not pay a medical aid if the government facilities were kept up to standard and well mainfained and funded - they are not. You can bleat on as much as you want about the "minority" who are on medical aids but its your comrades who made us make that choice by the mismanagement and plundering of our health system. We need to wake up people, a government that wants to control what you say, what you see, when you are allowed to have healthcare, etc. is not a government anymore.

Fix existing hosital and employ more nurses and doctors. The fact that some of the people are paying medical Aid Schemes does not mean they have money. We need best hospital for all citizens.

Establish. Operationalise. Learn. Finetune. Don't be paralysed into inaction.

While the NHI Bill's signing is a positive step, swift government clarification on its implementation is crucial. Uncertainty can create more problems than the legislation itself.

Another major indicator of how inept and uncapapable the ANC is at running a country. They are day dreaming and seem to be on some smoke cloud million miles away from reality.

So not fair on us who have been paying medical aid. 😢

Are all the Primary health care facilities coping with the current workload and target populations they service? Are all public health facilities well resourced? Are all patients awaiting operations getting the service on time? Its like people are forced to use or fund a system they don't want? This initiative is a noble idea but if one person must pay for their medical aid then subsidies NHI is like the N1 toll fees for GP or SA drivers only while many other commuters from outside SA pass on N1 for free and no invoice followed them to their residential address. If the government fund NHI and my current salary is not compromised because l am taxed it will be fine. If everyone coming outside SA will pay for their medical bill its fine because when l travel outside SA i am made to take a short term health insurance.

True saying we become like children as we grow older and clearly demonstrated ANC is seriously enjoying playing games like children. We need some grownups to either discipline them or supervise them. Place your vote where it counts to make a grownup difference. It realy is time to put a full stop to the ANC apartheid and equality costly games now.

This will be the final nail in the coffin for SA. This will be a disaster💯💯and should contested by all means. Shoving this NHI B.S. down our throats is not on. We work hard to be able to afford private healthcare and not be at the mercy of this failed state. NHI is a mess in the U.K. How the heck will it work in South Africa with a broader population that's unemployed, not to mention corruption.

They can not run hospitals currently. Who will pay for this. They should have a pilot hospital and make it work first on a small scale, do one hospital in every province test it first before wasting money.

Government currently are unable to manage and maintain public health institutions , now the funds are running out , so let's put our hands in another countries cookie jar,, extremely disgusting,,

Experience doctors pay is around 45 k or more in surgery

This bill wont work. It will shut down eventually.

When they done we will have dololo left, just look at the current state of everything they run its destroyed!

Is vat not included?. Everyone who buys bread pays tax

Start with all government workers before coming to the private sector...

Absolutely

Why do people with degrees not have the capability of understanding basic accounting skill 4:07 We don’t have money. The more you tax the white, the white man is gonna leave. 30 years of blaming apartheid has got us nowhere.