bloodied sword of speed as main hand? not thrash blade?

what about Hanzo sword 1.50 speed ? must be better than the daggers for human in off -hand?

@@user-vv7vl1hg8e no combat potency

@@blvckhxle.666 its moy about combat potency, its about the ap scaling. Dire nail has 22 ap on it. You still need a fast oh for instant procs but dire nail stats top everything

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My exact reaction ahahahahahah

Melee hunt prio

@@janakipejov3667 too fast

@@janakipejov3667 Melee hunters want slower weapon speeds

i am tanking with that shit so hard whenever we go back to molten core

15agi > Fiery > +4dmg

You and the 3 other tank rogues 😂

@@Xound_ As one of those 3, can confirm :p lol

Lol

@@EWeazy Rogue tank 3/4 here, where dat guide at?

the 4th rogue tank here

Yeah you will never get the full 5 stacks of saber bleed in pvp, and the added combo point from mutilate just can't be beat

done it and its actually decent

the page with 10 different weapon comparisons does NOT count any set bonus on the claws, just the individual items.

They're both about the same, I think simonize said he favors fiery though. But fiery no longer procs deadly brew or combat potency

The reason why you'd go assassination is for the deadly brew procs of deadly poison and instant poison; for tanking, we immediately lose all of that, and the combat tree, while it provides blade flurry, doesn't give anywhere near the dps increases that assassin does. I tried out a build I set up with some other rogues last night, and it really seems like swords for tanking isn't going to be viable. Combat gives us next-to-nothing for tanking, and because of flesh wound taking the same slot as deadly poison, we lose out on the benefits of running a deep assassin + combat build. Between all of this and the fact we need to have uptime on 2-3 finishers at all times... even with rotations locked in, we're not doing nearly as much DPS as we should be between missing key runes and focusing on uptimes. This also screws our already abysmal threat generation compared to other tanks.

It's safe to spam, reapplying saber slash doesn't mess with the tick timer.

*needle and toxic rev. from gnoma

Needle is trash its MH Only and speed is way too fast

@@felixs2034 oh true sry

Usable prebis yea, as BiS it is as the name states > trash

Also is inventor's focal good because it's boosting poison damage?

I suggest you check out the rotation section of the video to answer that question!

just didn't make the top 10 thats all. get yourself an inventor's focal sword and vibe

@@SimonizeShow done and done, now rocking dragon cry and inventor's focal along with the three piece set. Let's see how much I pump next week!

I'm wondering this too. Rogue tanks this phase go rather deep into combat for blade flurry. You pick up relentless strikes ofc in assassination. But if you go with saber build you don't need opportunity anymore and can thus have more points to go for a weapon specialisation in the combat tree. Does this make weapon fist/sword spec viable? Also is aggression and weapon expertise worth it now? Especially if your not human.

Im pretty sure you need to go combat... You cant use deadly brew rune as tank, so the poison talents become less potent. Wild strikes becomes more potent with a swords tanking spec. Adrenalin rush also helps greatly to apply 5 stacks of the bleed to your target and in a combat swords spec you can talent +21% eviscerate dmg/ 3% saber slash dmg (and bleed dmg?) What i dont know: can the talent sword specialisation trigger from a wild strikes hit?

@@TheFuchao my gut says relentless strikes is gonna be better than adrenaline rush

Still using deadly brew and I think speed and poision procs are more important

Thanks to weapon normalisation (AP Bonus is the same for slow and fast weapons) slow weapons can be fine.

I just tested it and I almost don't see a difference in sinister Strike dmg numbers between Legnionairs blade and STV Sword.

@@harryhirsch1571 Wow okay thanks! Did not know that's how it worked

poorly

I would say mutilate is still better in general, saber slash pulls ahead slighty in some fights. Both specs are not hard to play, for me mutilate is more fun bc we use daggers and have high burst

There's no way ur gonna keep up blade dance, slice and sice and rupture with a 1 CP builder that costs as much as mutilate

Would want to use refresh rune not carnage

​@@chumbucket6184he wouldnt need to maintain rupture with a sword build for the carnage buff

​@@Meathole7i was thinking of deep combat adrenaline with enought point in assa to get 2/3 slice. With that it is doable to keep blade and slice uptime and spamming saber/SS when not refresh needed. U wont really press evicerate anyways since u cannot get Relentless strike for energy refill so just using SS is better

​​@@chumbucket6184 not rupture needed since we have saber bleed, and also combo point isn't really an issue with HaT since we don't spam evenom like dps rogue, just samming SS and Saber for big boosted dmg + sword proc could be the way. U also use riposte on cd who deals good dmg for a 10 energy proc

Humans get +5 to sword skill which is quite powerful.

nobody understands your question. yes saber slash is better than sinister strike.

No. You use saber 2 get to 5 stacks. Then use sinister until you need 2 refresh saber bleed. Sinister slash instant dmg is better than saber slash.

Speed scales differently, but keep in mind that these are simulations. You will be fine with both

Yeah, just requires a melee weapon like Sinister Strike does, whatever you have will work fine

I think you want something quite slow for your mainhand tho. 2.4 or slower

i was wondering the same, in my opinion it should be the best Pre-bis for Sword Rogue

@@itisSalvador pretty sure he knows what he's talking about

Not in the top 10

@@seanreinholtz2611 i'm sure he knows, he has more then enough proof to be trusted, but still, doesn't sit right with me, since trash it's the best sword for fury warrior, and not even top 10 for rogues as Simonize just told us. but checking other phases and also checking normal classic wow, sword rogue and fury warrior always shared the bis/pre-bis loot ( if not orc ), also rogue always sim better with the most slow possible weapon on MH, in this case its being recommended a "fast" weapon for MH. something tells me that the sims are not scaling Saber slash/Sinister strike damage correctly with slow weapons, it should hit a lot more with a 2.7 speed weapon then with a 1.7 speed one ( like 70% more )

I guess a logical explanation is warriors always benefit way more from extra attacks than any other class due to the rage mechanic ​so the trash blade/epic fist go way to the front of warrior bis lists whereas for rogues and melee hunters doing most of their damage from yellow attacks and extra white dmg just being a small bonus it's not as great @@itisSalvador

Poison procs (since fewer mutilates, which is an ability using both weapons instantly)

I believe since a lot of dmg comes from poison fast weapons are "better" but trash blade is still decent for pre bis and easy to get, other options include WSG sword and the blood moon sword if you have tokens saved up or can start running blood moon again (rip)

Just bought one for 950, kept it and just equiped and put 15 agi on it befor raid yesterday couple our later this 😮

Lol was about to buy one too, thanks IAM too Late now 😂

@@lukasmischlich1178 @spapp34 i mean its still a great offhand your not grabbing sword specialization anyways

That's what sucks about investing in items that are .9 % better than the next best thing.

@@cameronharris7558 got it dropped :') and decided to keep it

Mildy irradiated rejuvination potion i assume.

I was using swords like a week ago it’s good white sabre slash and carnage

i mean idk, variety is good but daggers are still just more fun/satisfying

and the same speed 1.7

cause swords are better

Because it does more damage then saber slash. You just want the bleed stacks up from saber and then go to sinister

May as well play retail lol

@@victorlicata9103 Cataclysm is nothing like retail

also whats the reason for using SinStrike over SaberSlash?

@@snadzer1991 because it does more dmg, it hits harder then saberslash, so if you have 5 stacks of saberslash, there is no point to use it again, only to refresh the stacks to not drop them. Saberslash does 100% weapon dmg, sinister does 100% weapon damage + 52 dmg ( rank 7 lvl 46 )

@@snadzer1991 this

Its really bad for rogues

​@@chiefkeeflover8035 shhh 🤫

you can still stay mutilate build my friend

Not under the conditions I was using for making that comparison.

of course carnage works with saber slash

What do you mean they plan to implement a weapon skill?

@@jacobfernandez813 in phase 4, you will be able to choose 2 types of weapon to give it 5 expertise in any class/race and also you can trade them on the fly, you will be able to have +5 on what you have equipped. they did this to take out the racial advantages so ppl can choose what race they want and have no disadvantage.

@@itisSalvador Oh wow! I really hope this is confirmed! Thanks for keeping me in the loop!

@@jacobfernandez813 It's confirmed.

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Yea that’s correct.

Yes it does you just missed the point of the starting rotation

Sinister strike does more dmg than saber slash, so after 5 stacks, Saber is only used to maintain the bleed.

lol been that way since 2004... if you aren't a rogue player, you hate rogues

we don't do that here

no one cares for a rogue tank anyways

Nope really bad

Currently twisting Seal of command and martyr is completely irrelevant for pve a lot more has to change for it to over take exo spam. Twist isn’t back cause it never went anywhere you just couldnt twist those two seals… it changes nothing. Between Seal of righteousness criting and martyr wanting fast wep prob better to twist Marty and righteousness if no crits for exos. And you could already do that both ways too. Crusader strike buff goes hard tho

why does it not have the consistent damage when they both got the exact same cooldowns? Swords dont go combat.

@@TheDraakheated daggers proc poisons more often as it looks now

SS does more damage than slash for the energy cost. Use slash until 5 stacks then use it to refresh

No I just recorded this video at 2 AM and forgot to say I was having fun

@@SimonizeShow are you having fun?

Normalized. Sinister strike and saber slash are normalized attacks

I was combat daggers in classic and now being assassantion daggers in SoD is such a breath of fresh air imo after playing it for a couple weeks.

not gonna change anything with that little dps increse though ^^

weird flex but ok we havent even seen 1 :(

@@W4lkst4rhaha sorry for the flex😅 praying you get one next lockout!