Sacrificing Hundreds of Tanks to Trap Hitler's Panzer Corps

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Жыл бұрын

The Soviet artillery rained down relentlessly on the advancing German columns of mechanized infantry and panzers, many of which were powerful Panthers and Tiger Is. Despite the barrage, the Second Panzer Corps, composed of elite Waffen SS Divisions, pressed onward to achieve their objective: encircling the entrenched Soviet forces at the Kursk salient.
Operation Citadel was the Reich's last gamble to stop the overwhelming Soviet counterattacks that risked destabilizing the entire Eastern Front. Failure would condemn the Reich to a defensive posture for the remainder of the war.
At Prokhorovka, approximately 87 kilometers southeast of Kursk, the Germans were greeted with an unexpected sight. An entire column of Soviet tanks had become bogged down, ironically trapped by some T-34s that had fallen into an anti-tank ditch constructed by Soviet infantry. It was an ideal chance to assert their authority.
As the tide of battle ebbed and flowed, both sides remained determined to prevail, their fates hanging in the balance of a brutal and unforgiving conflict…
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@TheCynical82
@TheCynical82 Жыл бұрын
"History has always been written by the victors". Russia won a lot of battles in WW2, but at very high cost.
@sunny_froyo
@sunny_froyo Жыл бұрын
What about all the history written by observers then??
@napoleonbonaparte937
@napoleonbonaparte937 Жыл бұрын
Quantity is a Quality in itself. Comrade Joseph Stalin
@danielpedersen2497
@danielpedersen2497 Жыл бұрын
The name of the video didn't make that clear?
@JDDC-tq7qm
@JDDC-tq7qm Жыл бұрын
A cost that they recovered from by obtaining Weapons Of Mass Destruction
@andrewthompson5728
@andrewthompson5728 Жыл бұрын
Pyrrhic Victory.
@daystatesniper01
@daystatesniper01 Жыл бұрын
And a LOT of the hulks from both sides are still there ,sunk in the mud ,buried along with thousands of fallen men
@thewise3551
@thewise3551 Жыл бұрын
Let’s not forget the Soviets invaded Poland in 1939 on the side of the Nazis effectively starting ww2.
@jantschierschky3461
@jantschierschky3461 Жыл бұрын
​@jebushypocristoshow is that Propaganda ?
@JDDC-tq7qm
@JDDC-tq7qm Жыл бұрын
And what you gonna do about it cry 😂😂
@navyreviewer
@navyreviewer Жыл бұрын
And then of course there was Finland.
@Ryan_lipp
@Ryan_lipp Жыл бұрын
Russia invaded and held more territory then Germany in the first year of the war
@jantschierschky3461
@jantschierschky3461 Жыл бұрын
@@Ryan_lipp after Poland surrendered
@smithwesson7765
@smithwesson7765 Жыл бұрын
Truly a monumental battle and regardless of the debate on which side was successful, Germany could ill afford the cost of men and materiel. Their losses during Kursk created a serious deficit later in the war.
@georgesotiroff5080
@georgesotiroff5080 Жыл бұрын
It sounds like a Pyrrhic Victory for somebody.
@johnneill5960
@johnneill5960 Жыл бұрын
The number 1 problem with Germany in ww2 was they took too much too fast and couldn’t resupply & replace troops at the levels needed . They went after too many fronts too fast .
@mikeypeinado383
@mikeypeinado383 Жыл бұрын
I feel like the sixth army was setup by Hitler it just doesn’t seem right as they went so deep in tettitory wen at the peak of extreme exhaustion awaited the onslaught of forced Russians endlesssly throw. To the Germans
@lucas82
@lucas82 Жыл бұрын
The number one cause was trying to take on the entire world I think. The second reason would be the severely limited reserves of natural resources they had even before they had even started the war. There is a reason Germany went to war with only one in four of their infantry divisions having been mechanized. The reason was not a shortage of trucks but rather a shortage of fuel. A huge chunk of the German armed forces went to war in Russia the same way Napoleon had some 130 years earlier, on foot and with horse drawn carts.
@markdsm-5157
@markdsm-5157 11 ай бұрын
part of that was because of Hitler's decision to basically bankrupt Germany before WW2. He had to go on a war of conquest. He had to keep pilfering Europe to keep it going. He needed the resources or the whole house of cards would crumble.
@RogerLareau-qx2cy
@RogerLareau-qx2cy Жыл бұрын
The year 1943 was a demoralizing one for Germany. Time after time ,they could literally see the main objective but couldn't reach it.
@Luftwaffe1935
@Luftwaffe1935 Жыл бұрын
If I'm not mistaken there was a tiger 1 with over 200+ hits from t34's and tank guns. Yet even with all that it still drove itself off the battle field.
@soupamage9897
@soupamage9897 Жыл бұрын
@cesarretamoza5243the Armour on a tiger was was so immense and it’s gun was good as well so it could just angle and stay at range and most shots would ricochet of or just die since their pen wasn’t enough
@Luftwaffe1935
@Luftwaffe1935 Жыл бұрын
@cesarretamoza5243 look up the tiger that wouldn't die it was hit 252 time's. The tank number was 231 of heavy tank bal 501. It's hard to believe but it's true.
@heinzdog9
@heinzdog9 Жыл бұрын
@@Luftwaffe1935 A lot of them were probably glancing blows or rounds that landed beyond their effective range perhaps.
@msresu
@msresu Жыл бұрын
yeaaah and there was a Jack and the magical beans ...you read too much fairy tales
@gavinjenkins899
@gavinjenkins899 Жыл бұрын
@@soupamage9897 A shell significantly warps the armor even if it doesn't make it through. 1 or 2 more in the same spot will break it if they were 76mms. The "tiger that wouldn't die" was overwhelmingly hit by much much weaker 45mm guns that weigh about 5x less each. You can see clearly the difference in size of dents in the photo and that the large ones are very few in number. Even then, the tank DID die. It's gun and all its systems and engine were ruined.
@isiso.speenie5994
@isiso.speenie5994 Жыл бұрын
80 years ago , just this last week. Now a new war is taking place around the same area ?
@fruckles
@fruckles Жыл бұрын
80 year cycle of human downfall. Seems to be a real thing, though, this time the fights been going on in Ukraine for almost a decade... with little down time. And everyone seems to be rooting for the nazis... I would say bad guys, but there really isn't a good side this time... if you know the history. ☕🥸🇺🇸
@paulwalker427
@paulwalker427 Жыл бұрын
and winning against nazis again
@terraflow__bryanburdo4547
@terraflow__bryanburdo4547 Жыл бұрын
​@@frucklesScary Nazis...everywhere😮 lol. Ukraine is as Nazi as a bat mitzvah....
@robinblackmoor8732
@robinblackmoor8732 Жыл бұрын
Yes sir. It is more or less basically the same dirt that was fought for 80 years ago. Humans are really a disgraceful species. Two groups of dogs would just pee on it and move on.
@GazB85
@GazB85 Жыл бұрын
@@fruckles The ‘Nazi’s’ aka Azov Battlion was around 1000 men strong at the beginning (2022) of the war, thankfully the majority were killed or captured in Mariupol. So saying that Ukraine or their military is full of Neo-Nazi’s is wrong. Also Russia too, stupidly has a load of Neo-Nazi’s in it’s military. Both countries are oligarchies run by very very rich people (Billionaires!), though Ukraine is more democratic than Russia.
@Hbok2ff
@Hbok2ff Жыл бұрын
Great video, thanks!!!
@richpontone1
@richpontone1 Жыл бұрын
Basically, Hitler placed 70 percent of his Armored forces of the Eastern Front to the Battle of Kursk, losing 50 percent of his tanks. But The Red Army lost more. Unfortunately for Hitler, he could not replace his losses but Stalin could. Stalin’s factories produced 2,000 T-34 tanks per month and in 1944, also produced 11,000 T-34 variants with 85 mm cannon that could destroy a Tiger or a Panther. These 11,000 Russian tanks were more than the combined German production of Tiger and Panther tanks. The Tigers proved unreliable as it often broke down, and the Panthers’ rear exhaust system often caught fire after overheating either destroying it or rendering it inoperative. Most German tank crews were not fully trained in working their new tanks, Russian crews were. The Stukas which could destroy Russian tanks were driven out of the air by superior Russian fighter bombers. This was the last gasp of a German offensive on the Eastern front. Fyi, while this battle occurred, the Allies had just invaded Sicily, a fact that Hitler was aware of.
@XYZ-bi9eb
@XYZ-bi9eb Жыл бұрын
the battle of Kursk was a soviet trap. after the nazi attack ground to a halt in the soviet defense lines, the soviets counter attacked and forced the nazis to retreat about 200 miles westward.
@realsinisterminister
@realsinisterminister Жыл бұрын
At a loss of lives tanks etc...........if it was just down to just how much the Russians lost it was definitely a victory ...........but with odds like that their was no way they could of won
@recoil53
@recoil53 Жыл бұрын
@@realsinisterminister The Russians held the field, that is one definition of a win. Even a tactical win. Losses, beyond the cost of human lives, matter more in the context of how much is available and how much a country is willing to accept. So it was both a tactical and strategic win for the Soviets, but at a high cost. In contrast the Battle of the Coral Sea was a tactical loss for the Americans, but a strategic win. The USN lost more and what they lost was more important, but the down stream effect (three IJN carriers out for Midway vs one for the USN) and the huge amount of carriers coming for the Americans (17 Essex carriers, 9 light fleet carriers IIRC) meant it was a strategic win.
@randysurline4651
@randysurline4651 Жыл бұрын
You are right.
@corbintodd9339
@corbintodd9339 Жыл бұрын
Ironic that Soviets say they saved Europe from the Nazis while simultaneously absorbing half of Europe against their will lol. “We are here to save you! Do not resist! Lmao
@tilohertel8523
@tilohertel8523 Жыл бұрын
27 Million death speak for themselves.
@corbintodd9339
@corbintodd9339 Жыл бұрын
@@tilohertel8523 so because Stalin conscripted everyone he could means they “liberated” Eastern Europe? Don’t liberators usually leave and let the former exiled governments return?😂 instead the governments in exile remained in exile until the collapse of the Soviet Union.
@tilohertel8523
@tilohertel8523 Жыл бұрын
@@corbintodd9339 That depends on the point of view. The Soviet Union was attacked and counterattacked later. Didn't all "liberators" of Europe remain on foreign soil till 1990? The Soviet Union as well as the Western Allies? It was a balance of power.
@corbintodd9339
@corbintodd9339 Жыл бұрын
@@tilohertel8523 remember when every Western European country that was conquered by the Nazis and liberated by the western Allie’s was returned to the former governments? Because we were actual LIBERATORS. We didn’t set up puppet governments in france, Belgium, Norway, Luxembourg or Denmark. The Soviet Union effectively annexed all of Eastern Europe. It’s literally not even comparable. Many in Eastern Europe even considered the Nazis better than the Soviets.
@ageingviking5587
@ageingviking5587 Жыл бұрын
Great stuff D Ds . Thank you for posting.
@chikomz
@chikomz Жыл бұрын
Your videos are typically so well researched, that I was somewhat surprised at the mispronunciation of 3 Soviet generals' names (Valutin/Vatutin, Korev/Konev, Rumistrov/Rot(d)mistrov).
@douglasherron7534
@douglasherron7534 Жыл бұрын
Same with Manstein. In German "ei" is pronounced like "eye" not "ee", so it is Mansteyen not Mansteen.
@MichaelR58
@MichaelR58 Жыл бұрын
Good video , thanks for sharing , God bless !
@tilohertel8523
@tilohertel8523 Жыл бұрын
The battle of Prokhorovka is said to be the largest tank battle in human history. The losses were horrible.
@craftpaint1644
@craftpaint1644 Жыл бұрын
The T-34 must be the most hard tail suspension Tank since the Mark 1.
@paulwalker427
@paulwalker427 Жыл бұрын
christie suspension...
@lyntwo
@lyntwo Жыл бұрын
Who held the battleground at the end of the battle? How can one win against such a foe who even when defeated, by all tactical measure, still holds and then sends new armies and hundreds more tanks? The actual history of the battle may not match the official narrative but the display of the will of the people of the Soviet Union and Red Army cannot but be honored. The rise of the tide of Victory was but briefly stalled but the tide was not stopped. Prayers for all. Prayers for us to remember.
@recoil53
@recoil53 Жыл бұрын
Which does not mean it is wrong or insulting to get real casualty/damage figure, which is what Russia contends.
@napoleonbonaparte937
@napoleonbonaparte937 Жыл бұрын
Yes, Thanks to the sacrifice of Russian, British and American people during the second World 🌎🌍 war that this world get rid of German, Japanese and Italian barbarism for good.
@kittymervine6115
@kittymervine6115 Жыл бұрын
I will say that the will of the people of the Soviet Union was very strong. But also, there was the same poor thinking as on the German side. Both nations had the "Not one step backward" rule. Which they followed up in a very forceful way. Even the family of Paulus was put in a concentration camp, as he had surrendered. The Russians found a hard road to Berlin, and the Germans were impressed by their willingness to send in so many soldiers to slaughter, though mentioning in their war diaries that the German tactics and ability to lead themselves when all officers were killed, made the Russian tactic made things far harder for Russia than need be. Both armies were poorly served when the leaders Stalin and Hitler took over leading the war from their experienced generals. Both armies were very brave, and the losses on both sides are staggering. Hitler went in knowing from his own war games that Germany could not win. Stalin, learned to trust his generals more, and that was a plus in victory.
@moodswingy1973
@moodswingy1973 Жыл бұрын
Gay 😂
@mikeohagan2206
@mikeohagan2206 Жыл бұрын
even a meat grinder can break down if you cram enough into it.
@lib556
@lib556 Жыл бұрын
Good vid. I'm a little confused by the thumbnail which shows a Canadian soldier circa 1985 - 1998 standing by a Sherman tank target. It really caught my eye as I thought, for a second, that might be me. Similar build, hair and beret. Then, on closer inspection, I see he is wearing glasses. Also, the back straps of his webbing yoke are incorrectly attached to the butt pack ( not being fed through the small plastic buckles intended for that purpose). This was a very common error but one that I was very fastidious about. Anyway... weird.
@Superplums
@Superplums Жыл бұрын
LOL i've never been in the military but I KNEW that guy was a Canadian 🇨🇦
@recceeboy1237
@recceeboy1237 Жыл бұрын
Yep wearing his fabulous field kit, i remember that my pockets held more than my web gear. Looks like pet range.
@lib556
@lib556 Жыл бұрын
@@recceeboy1237 82 pat webbing was a big improvement over 64 pat 'panzer grenadier' stripped down with no pouches. If that is Petawawa then it's definitely not me as I was never posted there.
@sticksbass
@sticksbass Жыл бұрын
that german sitting there shaking his head said it all; war sucks.
@davidkinsey8657
@davidkinsey8657 Жыл бұрын
Operation Zitadel was not a German victory. They achieved none of their strategic objectives. The fact that the Red Army suffered more casualties than the Wehrmacht is irrelevant. The Soviets could afford to lose more men and machines than the Nazis, and often did. Zhukov was ruthless and more than willing to trade the lives of his men for victories.
@richardmiddleton4634
@richardmiddleton4634 Жыл бұрын
And it's that systematic Russian disregard for the lives of their soldiers that led to their current demographic collapse.
@rightcheer5096
@rightcheer5096 Жыл бұрын
@@richardmiddleton4634That and the resumption on a mass scale of abortion, outlawed under Stalin, and the onset of AIDS, which spread to the blood supply. The Russians might have survived two or three of these problems, but factoring in the mass death of WW2, the Revolution and Civil War, alcoholism, and Marxist anti-meritocracy, and you have the Russia we see today...,
@alsanchez5038
@alsanchez5038 Жыл бұрын
No, they cant afford it. But they do it.
@realsinisterminister
@realsinisterminister Жыл бұрын
And there we have the heartlessness of the Stalinists and the Hitlerites...........exactly the same but one of them sided with the winning side......
@maplesirup24
@maplesirup24 Жыл бұрын
If you are going to try and look smart by not calling it Citadel at least get the spelling correct “Zitadelle”.
@lellolatina8157
@lellolatina8157 Жыл бұрын
The Thumbnail got me like: Goddamn Wirbelwinds
@tricknfa
@tricknfa Жыл бұрын
That "to date" was perfectly ominous.
@JanChvojka
@JanChvojka Жыл бұрын
No, Battle of Prokhorovka was not biggest tank battle. Biggest tank battle was battlo of Brody (1941) almost 3500 russian tanks vs 730 german. Majority of russian tanks were lost.
@GazB85
@GazB85 Жыл бұрын
The battle of Kursk was the biggest, involving 6000 tanks.
@JanChvojka
@JanChvojka Жыл бұрын
@@GazB85 even in that perspective was Battle of Dubno-Brody-Luck bigger - more than 5000 russan, 1500 german tanks
@Marin3r101
@Marin3r101 Жыл бұрын
​@@JanChvojkawhy are you lying? You just said 3500 vs. 730 That is not 6k or more. Do maths much?
@ussearchandrecovery7518
@ussearchandrecovery7518 Жыл бұрын
​@Marin3r101 He is talking about two different battles. No need to be rude and accusatory. We can just as easy knock your reading skills and be justified, while your comment is not.
@damianousley8833
@damianousley8833 Жыл бұрын
The Russian tanks lost were mainly T 26 and BT 7 tanks that had poor armour. Mind you, the Soviets had 20,000 tanks at the time of the start of Operation Barbarosa.
@NeilTheHippy
@NeilTheHippy Жыл бұрын
"One death is a tragedy, one million is a statistic." ~Joseph Stalin
@MrReymoclif714
@MrReymoclif714 Жыл бұрын
Cute.
@dipanjanbhattacharya3131
@dipanjanbhattacharya3131 Жыл бұрын
Fit for a person having no records for human rights.
@dipanjanbhattacharya3131
@dipanjanbhattacharya3131 Жыл бұрын
Same mindset of Alexander, Napoleon, Chengis khan,Taimur.Russia 's Putin has same mindset at this moment. I am not talking about the defeated German 's plight after the war,but of his own country men that suffered at the hands of Stalin then and Putin now.
@slaakattak
@slaakattak 10 ай бұрын
Farmers killing each other for Stalin and Hitler...utterly catastrophic.
@paulheiting6484
@paulheiting6484 Жыл бұрын
Ah yes, I remember that battle well. I took out a dozen T34's, armed with only my trench shovel. Remember, if you read it on the internet, it has to be true. :)
@teabagmcpick889
@teabagmcpick889 Жыл бұрын
Russia has a long record of barely scraping a draw (or just avoiding being wiped out) & claiming it as a monumental, historic victory. Borodino is the obvious example but there are doubtless many more.
@duanepigden1337
@duanepigden1337 Жыл бұрын
Then there’s the countries that loose and call it a win. Also taking credit when they were only a part of the whole.
@LittleNala
@LittleNala Жыл бұрын
Not just Russia. here in the UK, we tend to think of Dunkirk and The Charge of the Light Brigade as huge, moral-boosting victories!
@recoil53
@recoil53 Жыл бұрын
@@LittleNala All those French soldiers that held of the Wehrmacht left behind on the last day - British soldiers who were afraid to cross the open beach to get on the boats they were assigned to suddenly found that they'd rather cross a beach under fire than get captured by Germans. Don't get me started on the idiocy of light calvary charging artillery.
@chrishorner7679
@chrishorner7679 Жыл бұрын
Silly remark re Dunkirk.
@LittleNala
@LittleNala Жыл бұрын
@@chrishorner7679 I wasn't being too serious. I just mean that growing up in the UK (I'm now 68), I've seen various forms of media expressing what a triumph Dunkirk was. In fact I think 'Triumph' would have been a better word to use - it plainly wasn't a victory. We gave up, ran away (probably the best decision in the circumstances), and spent the next 80 years calling out the French for being losers (and worse). It has never seemed fair to me. If The Channel hadn't existed, could we have really defeated the Blitzkrieg before it reached London? Maybe...
@JDDC-tq7qm
@JDDC-tq7qm Жыл бұрын
Lost more men and equipment but still went all the way to the German capital 🇷🇺💪
@waynelittle646
@waynelittle646 Жыл бұрын
With help from the USA and Britain
@dingus6317
@dingus6317 Жыл бұрын
@@waynelittle646 Yep without lend lease both Britain and Russia would be speaking German.
@edbeck8925
@edbeck8925 10 ай бұрын
How are things in Ukraine working out for you? My great uncle was in the merchant marines. He basically did supply runs to Russia to deliver supplies. Even things like tires and butter
@episodebeats2817
@episodebeats2817 Жыл бұрын
When you have more warm bodies than your enemy's bullets.
@Dartheomus
@Dartheomus Жыл бұрын
If you throw enough meat into the grinder, eventually it will clog up!
@dovidell
@dovidell 11 ай бұрын
It is often mentioned that historical battles are written ONLY by the victor , this might be one case where previously undisclosed information can shed new light on what REALLY happened ( remember the Katyn massacre , and how the Brits and Americans disbelieved the evidence of Russian " handiwork " )
@larryjohnson7591
@larryjohnson7591 Жыл бұрын
I hope that historians will be able to find more photographs and such of the Kursk battle so that someday the truth may come out.
@VK2FVAX
@VK2FVAX Жыл бұрын
Either way. Tactics aside. Russia threw all their best young men at the Germans and won. This needs to be remembered. Not tactics. Not politics. Men died. Families suffered. Both sides had a great cost and only one side prevailed. This is what needs to be remembered. It's not about the glory .. rather the human cost and who won.
@timmcgrae8678
@timmcgrae8678 Жыл бұрын
Stupid af what you say
@andrewwood6285
@andrewwood6285 Жыл бұрын
Yes. Also remember the more things change the more they remain the same. Something to keep in mind when looking at Ukraine today.
@TheBestDog
@TheBestDog Жыл бұрын
Ironically, the side that prevailed lost the war. 🫨
@jameswest7945
@jameswest7945 Жыл бұрын
The Allies lost
@recoil53
@recoil53 Жыл бұрын
Russia does not want the real human cost stated. They insist it is an insult and revisionist (without irony!) to do so. That has to be an insult to the uncounted dead.
@postpwnmalone
@postpwnmalone Жыл бұрын
that thumbnail tank is what i think of when I start beating tanks with AA online
@roebuckpayne
@roebuckpayne Жыл бұрын
Ironic Minimizing heir losses only minimizes their sacrifice and, therefore, their importance in the war.
@christinavonrassler5464
@christinavonrassler5464 Жыл бұрын
In German the second vowel "does the talking" and the first "does the walking" the exact opposite of English. Thus, LEIB in would be pronounced with the long I rather than the long E. Great video.
@dkolosov
@dkolosov Жыл бұрын
Nikolai Vatutin, not “Valutin”.
@jimcronin2043
@jimcronin2043 Жыл бұрын
The bottom line is that the Germans had an objective to cut off the salient and it was not met. That puts the victory in the Russian column, regardless of cost. The Russians did not shirk from heavy casualties.
@indosuprem2296
@indosuprem2296 Жыл бұрын
Sacrificing Hundreds of Tanks ? oh i understand so like 999 tank then?
@July41776DedicatedtoTheProposi
@July41776DedicatedtoTheProposi Жыл бұрын
Van Manstein( spelling?) had cut to the core strategy, hit them firstest with the mostest. Failure to strike before the ditches and minefields, fuc.ed the Nazis. The Russians were helped immensely by the British and American Ultra intercepts; the Russians had nearly the complete Order of Battle, and still it was close.
@hypothebai4634
@hypothebai4634 Жыл бұрын
Plainly Germany won at Kursk. Had they not how could they have defeated the USSR in the Second World War? May the rewriting of history continue forever!
@MartinMartinX
@MartinMartinX Жыл бұрын
So its the truth, history repeats it self indeed !
@RS-vu3df
@RS-vu3df Жыл бұрын
What a subtle joke on 9.28, showing the EU counsel and talking about the Kremlin.
@Minalkra
@Minalkra 7 ай бұрын
I don't understand either of the extremes here. Was it a Red Army victory? Yes! Was it a battle that had huge losses for the Red Army - due to leadership failures or communication failures? Yes! Was it a terrible scene of slaughter? Yes! Does pointing out that the Red Army suffered HUGE losses, many of which might not have been entirely necessary for the success of the defense of the USSR from the Nazi scourge, in some way diminish the valiant troopers defending their people from the barbarism that followed the German conquests? No! Did the Germans do massive damage? Yes! Did it matter? No! Is the monument a lie? ... depends on the wording but frankly, even if it downplays the losses, it still deserves to be there. It was a victory for the USSR, regardless of the losses, and should be noted as such. The only nitpick is what those losses were and that's splitting hairs.
@Empriction
@Empriction Жыл бұрын
Ah sherman with shredded frontal armour, not like US learned anything about upgrade from Soviets or Germany.
@waynelittle646
@waynelittle646 Жыл бұрын
Loss of food would have sealed the fate of the soviets (unless helped by foreign powers fighting for communism) The soviets got enough food from the USA to feed its soldiers for the rest of the war, 12 million boots , 60 percent aluminum and steel, a lot of tin , 90 percent of railway equipment ( the soviets would never have been able to conduct offensives so fast and transfer their main armies to critical points , 300000 trucks were given , 65 percent of aviation fuel and much more apart from 15 percent tanks ,aircrafts Soviet sympathizers say "only 15 per cent was given to USSR"
@wade998
@wade998 Жыл бұрын
Not von Mansteen it's von Manstein, like a stein you drink beer from!
@rogergoodman8665
@rogergoodman8665 Жыл бұрын
Lol! The Russians sure don't like being reminded of how many of their soldiers were slaughtered by the Nazi's on the eastern front. Modern Russian soldiers fight exactly the same way as their grandfather's did in this battle....Poorly.
@brooklynbummer
@brooklynbummer Жыл бұрын
Stalin did not care about the troops. Soldiers and tanks were easy to replace, just keep throwing men and tanks at the enemy until the enemy is exhausted. It appears, that Putin is still following Stalin’s tactics, in the Ukrain.
@TRUMP20Z4
@TRUMP20Z4 Жыл бұрын
INTERESTING.... TY xo
@michaelthomas7178
@michaelthomas7178 Жыл бұрын
My research concurs with German Statics.
@AtlanticCanadianAstronomy
@AtlanticCanadianAstronomy Жыл бұрын
Would be ao terrifying being in a tank that is also vulnerable to machine gun rounds. Imagine several mg42 open up on your tank shredding every1 inside. Tankers are such brave men
@gavinjenkins899
@gavinjenkins899 Жыл бұрын
None of these tanks at this time were vulnerable to machineguns. Maybe they could jam up the tracks or the bearings so you couldn't turn the turret anymore, if lucky, stuff like that, but not get inside and hit you. You might have to bail out, THEN get shot possibly, but inside any of these tanks you should be fine from MGs. T34s, Pz IVs, tigers, KVs, all would effectively resist even 50 cal machine guns, let alone 7.9mms
@OGPatriot03
@OGPatriot03 Жыл бұрын
I agree with the Russians on this one. - The people who want monuments honoring the dead removed are insane, so too anyone who thinks Germany only lost a couple of Panzer 4s which was stated at one point in this video...
@ralphhofmeier8840
@ralphhofmeier8840 Жыл бұрын
the Russian loss was 10x higher compare to the Germans. The strategic goal was not reached, but the Russians had massive losses…however, even the Nazis destroyed in overall more than 41,000 T34 alone….they still kept coming….
@Maltinis
@Maltinis Жыл бұрын
@jebushypocristos With the help of UK and USA
@dp-sr1fd
@dp-sr1fd Жыл бұрын
Any memorial honouring the dead in such a conflict against fascism should be left alone.
@Cpxxxx1
@Cpxxxx1 Жыл бұрын
@@Maltinis sure honey, 1944 the war was already over for Nazi Germany, but keep dreaming.
@OGPatriot03
@OGPatriot03 11 ай бұрын
@@ralphhofmeier8840 Fantasy numbers lmao
@marvinbrock960
@marvinbrock960 Жыл бұрын
The fact that modern military commanders still aren’t learning from these major WW2 battles just boggles my mind…. More and more and more tech… more tech.. more tech… pfft… All that tech is shot after the first few real engagements.. it’s depleted and can’t be replaced easily… The Russians have taught this lesson over and over again… Easy and cheap? to Build, easy to transport, and most importantly, easy to train green troops on…
@keithwalker3460
@keithwalker3460 Жыл бұрын
no mention of the panther the dilay of the start and a over use of the Tiger your so , narrow in you reserch
@ronmarvicsin7709
@ronmarvicsin7709 Жыл бұрын
If anybody could comment. My dad was with the Flying Tigers during WWII. While writing a paper on the Manson family trial the, Judge Older was a pilot with the FT. Was thus Col Older’s father?
@mbr8167
@mbr8167 Жыл бұрын
All you need to know is Russian winters were more capable than all of the Russian Miltary.
@finalchapter24k
@finalchapter24k Жыл бұрын
Why is the high casualty rate always brought up when Russian victories vs the Germans are discussed? Its like even though my base was wiped out by zerglings I can still brag that my I only loss 10 zealots and the zerg player lost 100 zerglings. Does that matter I lost.
@pratapbalakrishna3036
@pratapbalakrishna3036 Жыл бұрын
Indusrial might, with no resource shortage, ensured , production outstripping losses in battle.anf of course Germany ran out of soldiers.
@thegapinglotusexperience1251
@thegapinglotusexperience1251 Жыл бұрын
Its not how you play the game, its if you win or lose. Germans must not be that bright..
@Wei55_und-stolz
@Wei55_und-stolz Жыл бұрын
You mean to say the Soviets lied!?? Well no surprises there 😅
@horsejackmanbo7292
@horsejackmanbo7292 Жыл бұрын
They all lost. There. Fixed it.
@NLYS27
@NLYS27 Жыл бұрын
Lets say the casualties are extremely and truly high. A victory is still a victory. Tactically it has been seen as a win and is considered one. Now if the purpose of the battle to take out as much as the enemy as possible then the German's won the battle but that battle wasnt based on strictly inflicting losses.
@tobiastimm3288
@tobiastimm3288 Жыл бұрын
No Panthers. They were attached to GD of the 48 Pz Corp
@josephgallacher3729
@josephgallacher3729 Жыл бұрын
2nd SS Panzer Co did not have any Panthers , only GrosseDeutchland had them.
@sandygeorge9741
@sandygeorge9741 Жыл бұрын
Regardless of loses the Russians won the battle. Also the Russians could quickly replace their loses, the Germans couldn't.
@stillededge
@stillededge Жыл бұрын
Why do you keep saying "ColonelGeneral"? Is that a rank I haven't heard of?
@michelstadt
@michelstadt Жыл бұрын
I guess the only complaint I have is if you would please quit pronouncing Manstein as Mansteen as it is spoken as Manshtine. Everything else you do is awesome
@Donnirononon
@Donnirononon Жыл бұрын
Can you please post the picture from the thumbnail?
@sarge4455
@sarge4455 Жыл бұрын
Have the Russians ever told the truth about anything
@schepvogelk5971
@schepvogelk5971 Жыл бұрын
History is written by Victors. Don't think that the West always speaks the truth on those subjects.
@TahongMoto
@TahongMoto 9 ай бұрын
exactly🤣
@KBNoyes
@KBNoyes Жыл бұрын
Just look at Ukraine and it’s obvious how Russia still fights wars the same as WWII
@romeoiipunzalan1079
@romeoiipunzalan1079 Жыл бұрын
You remember who won and imposed their will on the losers... nothing else...
@warrendesonia7924
@warrendesonia7924 Жыл бұрын
The battle for Kursk was very close. The German north pincer, was blunted due to the loss of tanks; but the southern pincer was not; the only reason that the Russians won this battle was that the Allies had just invaded Italy and the German troops there had to be reinforced by troops from this battle and Hitler gave this order.
@mk2389
@mk2389 Жыл бұрын
You can always tell who's a wehraboo by them commenting some variant of "but at what cost" under videos showing the Nazis getting creamed by the Soviets.
@shawndunlap714
@shawndunlap714 Жыл бұрын
None of that matters because the Soviet kicked thier ass
@a84c1
@a84c1 Жыл бұрын
Also the civilians helped the red army infantry dig trenches around kursk.
@rcstl8815
@rcstl8815 Жыл бұрын
That's a funny way to spell "forced."
@turnerg
@turnerg Жыл бұрын
​@@rcstl8815😂 spot on
@GazB85
@GazB85 Жыл бұрын
@@rcstl8815 Not all we’re forced and they did want the Nazi’s out of their land.
@CoolcatAMA-Pro
@CoolcatAMA-Pro Жыл бұрын
One Battle Out Of Many Won & Lost
@SchmitzJeanNoel
@SchmitzJeanNoel Жыл бұрын
Always relevent and interesting
@64maxpower
@64maxpower Жыл бұрын
Why didn't the British get the credit for kursk? They gave. Russia the heads up
@jameswest7945
@jameswest7945 Жыл бұрын
Detroit is worse off than Nagasaki
@kenseavey9165
@kenseavey9165 Жыл бұрын
Love the music in this video.
@MsKatjie
@MsKatjie Жыл бұрын
Hitler dithered and were not the Red tactics , to show scant regard for a soldier's life?
@jantschierschky3461
@jantschierschky3461 Жыл бұрын
Leibstandarte not liebstandarte. Don't think they spread much love
@MiddletonJeff
@MiddletonJeff Жыл бұрын
The thing is though. This battle had very little effect on the over all war. I really didn't. Do some research and find out.
@Matt-Durham
@Matt-Durham Жыл бұрын
Where is the video thumbnail from? Does anyone know please?
@billmaxam3942
@billmaxam3942 Жыл бұрын
They never surrounded the Russians.
@billmaxam3942
@billmaxam3942 Жыл бұрын
They kept postponing the attack to get the PANTHER TANK IN NUMBERS FOR THE OFFENSIVE
@billmaxam3942
@billmaxam3942 Жыл бұрын
Sorry to much misinformation
@nedludd7622
@nedludd7622 Жыл бұрын
​@@billmaxam3942It isn't the first time for this channel.
@christophertaylor1153
@christophertaylor1153 Жыл бұрын
Wasn't the Battle of Kursk a Soviet victory?
@treystephens6166
@treystephens6166 Жыл бұрын
I think that Tank in the Thumbnail is Kaput …
@rdeglan5391
@rdeglan5391 Жыл бұрын
Man stein not mansteen, and most likely it's Va toot an
@descentmvm
@descentmvm Жыл бұрын
just like they are doing right now
@CSGATI
@CSGATI Жыл бұрын
And Russia was on the same page as us, boy what happened?
@descentmvm
@descentmvm Жыл бұрын
yea they used to be then some crazy elite wanted to control the world under a one world order basically is what happened summed up and russia wont budge or become part of NATO. So they are goinnggg to war sadly :(
@biggtrux
@biggtrux Жыл бұрын
Let's be real. The Soviets have NEVER been strategists when it comes to fighting a war. Their whole attack plan thru out history has been throw as many men at the enemy as possible. And make sure those "recruits" fight by threatening to shoot them from behind if they don't.
@alanstgabriel
@alanstgabriel Жыл бұрын
not trying to give the commisars a pass but it’s not like blocking detachments were some uniquely cruel Russian thing. during pickett’s charge on day 3 of gettysburg the union calvary was given nothing to do other than hang at the rear and “put to the sabre” anyone who reached their position, i.e. breaking yankee soldiers. as for human wave attacks, that was basically Lee’s best “napoleonic” idea and it was barely a charge because everyone was too hot to run and many historians believe it failed because his human wave was too SMALL (iirc 25% of infantry committed, low by 19th century european doctrine). and every country in WW1 including the USA executed their own troops like a gym teacher handing out laps to delinquent teenagers (watch Paths of Glory, amazing film) we don’t really talk about that stuff nowadays because it doesn’t fit our self image. finally, in some cases it’s my understanding that the NKVD detachments did sometimes have other important combat tasks beyond machine gunning their unarmed, half-starved countrymen. the Not A Step Back decree was also selectively enforced.
@dpt6849
@dpt6849 Жыл бұрын
It perfectly suits the far green left
@JDDC-tq7qm
@JDDC-tq7qm Жыл бұрын
So the way the Soviets trapped and ambushed the Germans in Stalingrad is not a strategist you disrespecting Zhukov, Konev and Rokosovsky all great generals
@milo6269
@milo6269 Жыл бұрын
"recruits" fight by threatening to shoot them from behind if they don't. - this is funny myth from movie enemy at the gates and people who belive such things are usually experts only by watching hollywood and movies like that
@fforepsnoemis4090
@fforepsnoemis4090 Жыл бұрын
So the operation Bagration is not strategy for you ? Stalingrad is not strategy ? Operation Vistula-Oder is not strategy ?
@tommcallister7647
@tommcallister7647 Жыл бұрын
If there hadn't been so many T34's lost at the battle of Kursk, Russia would probably be deploying them now in Ukraine....
@nedludd7622
@nedludd7622 Жыл бұрын
"completely changed". This site loves hyperbole. Look up other titles that claim so many other events were also decisive. For Kursk, look up a serious documentary.
@jovanweismiller7114
@jovanweismiller7114 Жыл бұрын
The diphthong 'ei' in German is pronounced as a long 'I'. it's Mann-stine, not Mann-steen.
@nezircaglar2381
@nezircaglar2381 Жыл бұрын
1/5 of soviet army was at the kursk pocket.. germany had to try..
@conceptalfa
@conceptalfa Жыл бұрын
👍👍👍!
@ElTejon47901
@ElTejon47901 Жыл бұрын
The Germans had panzers, not ponzers.
@auro1986
@auro1986 Жыл бұрын
you could have sent your tanks in this
@bluefandango
@bluefandango Жыл бұрын
odd, i always thought kursk to be a german victory.
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