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Safety Cable instead of Lockwire

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AgentJayZ

AgentJayZ

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@Blakearmin
@Blakearmin Жыл бұрын
You're a great teacher. As soon as I had the question of "What happens if that little ferrule at the end comes off inside that can?" popped into my head I hear you say "If I pulled on this with a pair of pliers, the cable would break before that popped off." Amazing intuitive sense for relaying information and answering our questions preemptively.
@AlexanderEddy
@AlexanderEddy Жыл бұрын
I used to use one of these in a few spots in the APU bay of a Bombardier CRJ - sometimes it's the only way to do the lockwire without being a wizard or putting 6 hours on the task card. They're handy, but I found the bulkiness of the ratcheting mechanism meant they didn't always fit. The one I used had replaceable noses so you could sneak it into harder to reach places, but every once in a while the engineers come up with a spot that is truly magical.
@barrygrant2907
@barrygrant2907 Жыл бұрын
20 years of working on B-52s and KC-135s and I got to where I did most safety wiring by hand, no pliers. Attended an A&P school and one of the projects we had to complete was a board with all kinds of fittings and connectors that had to be hand safetyed. I turned mine in and the instructor accused me of using safety wire pliers. I had to have three people tell him I did it by hand before he believed me. Even made me do it in front of him. I told him I safetyed about 50 times a day on aircraft before he gave me a pass.
@shadowopsairman1583
@shadowopsairman1583 Жыл бұрын
F-16 Avionics here, depending on area or time I'd use hands or pliers, Mechanics knot too. AP school didn't care, I only had to learn how to secure a turnbuckle but that's in the AC43. Major difference in Civilian aircraft is the halfmoon vs direct wiring in the AF.
@danranquist502
@danranquist502 Жыл бұрын
Plenty to be proud of..!
@briancox2721
@briancox2721 Жыл бұрын
I used to work for the company that makes the lube oil tank for the PW-100 engine. The tank has a sight glass to check the oil level. It has 8 bolts holding it in. They used to lock wire them in place, but could never consistently get the direction, twists, and termination of the wire correct. Lots of rework, lots of escapes. The guys doing the wiring hated it. The guys inspecting it hated it. Switching to the safety cable made assembly faster, and better quality. As long as the tool functions correctly, safety cable is more than worth it for a manufacturer.
@Ronke01
@Ronke01 Жыл бұрын
Theyre not that hard to do properly though, been doing them many times
@stefanbehrendsen330
@stefanbehrendsen330 Жыл бұрын
Thank you for the over 10 years of amazing content.
@wickedcabinboy
@wickedcabinboy Жыл бұрын
Your lockwire video is the one that got me started watching your channel. As tedious as that particular task seems to be, its essential role in the safety of the engine and ultimately the aircraft and those flying in it was immediately obvious from the outset. And from there I was hooked. And I don't imagine for one hot second I'm anything close to even a beginner in the area of this craft, your videos have enabled an understanding of jet engine function function that I had never before been exposed to. It's been a fascinating education, free of charge, and I thank you. As to the safety cable, it's clearly a huge time saver despite the initially very expensive outlay for the tools and materials. It's not hard to understand why this method would be preferred over manual lock wiring. Having watched many of your videos it's clear you have a craftsman's approach to this skill that is borne of years of experience and that you view manual lockwiring as a mandatory skill that each engine mechanic must master in the course of mastering the entire craft of aircraft engine maintenance. That's a lot of words that you may likely shorten to "You *have to* know this." I could well be wrong since I can't speak for you. If I am, no doubt you will tell me. Meanwhile, I'll continue to learn as long as you continue to teach.
@Supersean0001
@Supersean0001 Жыл бұрын
The tools are made by Daniels Manufacturing Corporation, come in a variety of sizes, both cable diameters and different nose piece lengths (that's the metal rod that protrudes out from the handle mechanism, that the cable threads through at it's tip). Yes, yours has been modified to remove the cable tensioner. Yours looks like one of the older models that had the wheel-type tensioner (which most mechanics prefer); the newer ones have an internal tensioner, and the cable threads through the hand grip portion; on those, squeezing the handle also applies the tension before swaging the ferrule and then cutting the cable. The tensioners are adjustable, as there is a spec for the correct tension, and the nose pieces are replaceable, as they wear after extended use (several thousand uses); the swaged ferrule ends up getting mashed into the nose piece and it gets hard to remove from the finished cable. Dabbing the tip of the nose piece in a little engine oil helps extend the life of the nose piece. There is a calibration block that's used to verify both the tension and the effectiveness of the swaged end. The cable block is about 10 inches long, and has instructions printed on it. It's meant to be attached to a bench. One side has a fixed post that the cable is threaded through, and on the opposite side is another post, on a crank with a 3/8" square ratchet drive for an indicating torque wrench (dial-type preferred). The cable is run through the test block and a ferrule swaged in place in the regular manner. Finger pressure is applied in the middle of the swaged cable to ensure proper tension; if it's too loose, the cable gun's tensioner requires adjustment. The dial-indicating torque wrench is attached, and the amount of torque necessary to cause the swaged cable to fail is noted. Generally with a properly-swaged ferrule, the cable will break before the ferrule pulls loose, but as long as the ferrule holds under the required torque for that size cable, the cable gun passes and is ready for use (the required torque is listed in the instructions printed on the calibration block). The cost of the safety cable tools and the cables and ferrules are easily offset by how much faster safety cabling is than safety wiring. On a full engine teardown and rebuild, you can easily save 40 labor hours or more on, say, a CFM56-type engine. Daniels Manufacturing even makes pneumatic- and rechargeable battery-poweeed cable guns, mostly for assembly line type applications. There are also additional pieces to allow for safety cable to wrap around a part vs. go through a drilled hole, and fiberglass sleeves that can be placed over the cable during installation to prevent chafing on a sharp corner. An additional advantage of cable vs. wire is that with safety cable, there's no chance of getting caught or cut on an improperly pig-tailed cut end, like is all too common with safety wire.
@AgentJayZ
@AgentJayZ Жыл бұрын
This tool is not made by DMC. I think I heard from one of your company's reps years ago about how great your tools were. I said send me one and I'll demo it in a vid. I never got a reply. The tools we use are made by Bergen, and they work extremely well.
@Supersean0001
@Supersean0001 Жыл бұрын
@@AgentJayZ . . . Umm, I'm not with DMC. Just used a lot of their products over the years.
@JLanc1982
@JLanc1982 Жыл бұрын
I work Avionics/Electrical on Blackhawks and Chinooks,Safety cable is a real time saver. Some of the Cannon plugs outer retaining ringnuts and Coax connectors are in horrible places no clearance at all. At 4:00 Snipe Nose pliers are what those are called. That's what the manufacturer of the ones I have call them lol. Love your videos always learning!
@DarioGalvans
@DarioGalvans Жыл бұрын
Ive had the DMC cable gun for a few months and I love it. When looking through our aircrafts standard practices manual I noticed that the manufacturer allowed the use of cable as a substitute. I ordered the gun and cable that day.
@TheDrew2022
@TheDrew2022 Жыл бұрын
Proper tools always make the job easier, faster, and safer/last longer. Not quite your level but the difference between $5 crimpers you get with a 60 pack of solderless crimp connectors, and the $80 ratcheting tool is noticeable when you do more than 1 or 2 of them. As for wanting to work for you, have to admit it'd be cool for a while, then winter in Fort St John would set in ... Would rather beg for a visit when the test cell is active and I'm up there on work. 🙂
@thomasaltruda
@thomasaltruda Жыл бұрын
At the end of your video, you talk about the hierarchy to get where you’re going.. when I was 18, I wanted to work in a race car machine shop. They started me on sweeping the floors, then cleaning and painting blocks.. eventually I got into valve guides.. like you said, one step at a time. The highest level was eventually assembling the engines, which was the easiest part! The boss had a friend who was frequently unemployed, and since he was a moron, he would allow him to skip the machining and go straight to assembly.. he couldn’t “feel” the machines honing, milling, boring ect..
@evaangelofdeath
@evaangelofdeath Жыл бұрын
Stumbled upon the original years ago and youtube recommends the update. Thank you for sharing!
@brucematthews6417
@brucematthews6417 Жыл бұрын
Old motorcycle racer here. Mission was my home track. Yeah, that cable deal is SOOOOOO much faster than safety wire. If it were not for the tool cost I'd say it would be better all around for everyone. It's your videos that finally made me realize just why and how a tube, with a bunch of fancy bits in the middel to be sure, that is open at both ends can generate thrust. Many thanks for that ! ! ! ! It was the video talking about the pressure along the way and how it dropped at the combustion chamber but also picked up speed as a result that was the "other shoe dropping" for me. Big fan here. Cheers!
@AgentJayZ
@AgentJayZ Жыл бұрын
Mission was my home track. Middleweight twins. Gen 1 SV650. 1:22 flat was my best time. Bikes are genetically superior to cars. Yes they are.
@janne65olsson
@janne65olsson Жыл бұрын
@@AgentJayZ Sad that i live so far away. Lives in Sweden. Otherwise i have gladley helping you clean bults, bits and bobbs. I love when things ar clean an shining. 😎👍
@2bittesla
@2bittesla Жыл бұрын
My nubbinizing trick that saved the day. Had to run a new throttle cable through a casing. Crazy glued the end to keep it fraying. Worked like a charm.
@unclemonster48
@unclemonster48 Жыл бұрын
I would like to start off on washing lettuce and in a couple years maybe make assistant manager. I heard that’s when the big bucks start rolling in. 😂
@AgentJayZ
@AgentJayZ Жыл бұрын
Any managers are politely and firmly escorted out the front door. Only people with actual knowledge and skills work at Jet City...
@jimmysparks315
@jimmysparks315 Жыл бұрын
I'd never heard of safety cable... thanx man
@bwalker4194
@bwalker4194 Жыл бұрын
Check out the price for A&P mechanic’s favorite wire crimper, the AMP 59250. I bought a used one from eBay when I first started building my Velocity. Story is, that AMP had such low demand when it cost $400 back in the day, that they discontinued it. Chaos ensued from the small but very vocal group of loyal fans. They started low-volume production again a few years back and charged $1100. I paid $150 for mine and sent it to the factory for a die check and everything was good. I checked the other day and they are up to a whopping $1800!! Absolutely the Rolls Royce of wire crimpers. It makes an “oxygen free” crimp on the wire, a crimp on the insulation, it won’t release until a full crimp and it’s easy on the hands. I am thinking of adding mine to our home insurance policy but I’ll never get rid of it.
@johnnytarponds9292
@johnnytarponds9292 Жыл бұрын
Wow. Isn't it funny how all ex-members sound the same. Talk the same. Enjoyed the video. Thanks.
@KevinATJumpWorks
@KevinATJumpWorks Жыл бұрын
From a professional perspective where time is money, this thing must be pure gold. As a hobbyist, I think Lockwiring is kind of an artform so yeah, I prefer that, but I can see why you use safety cable wherever you can. :)
@watsisbuttndo829
@watsisbuttndo829 Жыл бұрын
Safety cable isn't the perfect solution for everything, but when it is the right choice, ohhhh baby! Hallelujah!
@DScottDuncan
@DScottDuncan Жыл бұрын
Thanks for sharing this with us. I see the speed factor but I also see the cost factor! Cool tool.
@Chalomwong
@Chalomwong 11 ай бұрын
I use the DMC version (red), all the time. A total life saver for some jobs. The blue one you have there is made by Bergen. They invented it together with GE. Basically the same exact thing.
@stopthephilosophicalzombie9017
@stopthephilosophicalzombie9017 11 ай бұрын
For some reason the blue ones aren't on the used market as much as the Daniels ones.
@duanepierson4375
@duanepierson4375 Жыл бұрын
I work on H-60s. The US Army approved Safety Cable about 2010. When I was younger I safety wired the tail rotor inboard retention plate bolts (16 bolts & 2 jam nuts.) it took me about 60 - 90 minutes, depending on a whole slew of factors. Now in my early 60’s, I can Safety Cable the same job in about 30 - 45 minutes. Saves a bunch of time. We use the Daniels Manufacturing tools, and as part of certification of the job we have test the gun with the test block and using a torque wrench to pull test the ferrel. Also the gun gets a calibration test by our metrology lab.
@stevenk1833
@stevenk1833 Жыл бұрын
As a 40-year A&P, by the time you certify the test pull I can have most jobs done, sure there are some instances when this is great, such as high-volume production factories, but in the real world I could safety wire components so much faster. when you start doing wire upside down and in places when you have to use a mirror this technic is useless.
@duanepierson4375
@duanepierson4375 Жыл бұрын
@@stevenk1833 , like H-53A-E lower pressure plates? The tension test is done on the way past the tool crib.
@stevenk1833
@stevenk1833 Жыл бұрын
@@duanepierson4375 not trying to be negative, maybe I'm just being old school
@duanepierson4375
@duanepierson4375 Жыл бұрын
@@stevenk1833 , tell me about LOL, Damm computers, I miss paper manuals.
@g2145cal
@g2145cal Жыл бұрын
i teardown apu's and i came across a couple of 85 series (C-130 cargo) with the cables. definitely a time saver, especially in tight spaces where i need the whole bolt clear of obstructions for removal.
@stevebritt
@stevebritt Жыл бұрын
Nice video. I will add DMC sells the tool for only $498 now (29Nov22). You still need to buy the cable kits as needed and a tension checker for $63. There's also 3 nose lengths available. Biggest downside now is that you need a completely different set of tools for each diameter cable, so you can triple the expense if you want to be able to do .022, .032", and .040". Keep your videos coming :)
@Noughtta
@Noughtta Жыл бұрын
I used safety cable extenslively in the air force as an aircraft mechanic. I loved using safety cable in those tight places you couldn't get your hands in to. Otherwise we used standard safety wire for just about everything else, mostly for the pride!
@RJ9mech
@RJ9mech Жыл бұрын
Was a nice tool back on the flight line, when approved and in cal. Thanks for the video!
@ddegn
@ddegn Жыл бұрын
It's been a while since I watched your safety wire video but safety cable sure looks like it's faster. If I had to wire a much of nuts I think I might be willing to pay for the expensive tool. Thanks for another interesting video.
@brentnearhood8874
@brentnearhood8874 Жыл бұрын
Thanks! Jay
@jetengines210
@jetengines210 Жыл бұрын
Nice video, it is an added expense but to your point it does save some time. I've been working J85 this past couple years. On our J85 line Safety Cable isn't allowed in gas path, external only.
@douglasbuhr5741
@douglasbuhr5741 Жыл бұрын
probably not allowed in gearboxes or bearing compartments as well
@AgentJayZ
@AgentJayZ Жыл бұрын
Seen safety cable hundreds of times in gearboxes. It is equivalent in strength and durability to lockwire. Don't go throwing fear and false suspicion where it does not belong.
@jetengines210
@jetengines210 Жыл бұрын
@@AgentJayZ I can honestly say this isn't opinion. It's stated in the USAF T.O. I'm definitely not saying it's across the board. Appreciate the videos 👍🏼
@douglasbuhr5741
@douglasbuhr5741 Жыл бұрын
@@AgentJayZ not a false statement if its in the standard practice manual. it may be allowed on certain engines. The engines I work on its not. either way appreciate the videos
@hanspauwels
@hanspauwels Жыл бұрын
I have used this tool on engines for some hard to reach places to use regular lockwire (ie horoscope plugs). Only difference I could see with the tool you use is that the crimping pliers I had were used as well to tension the cable. There was a small hole on the pliers that you feed the cable through, this would allow the pliers perform the following in sequence: 1: to tension the cable correctly (pliers will need calibration test) 2: crimp the ferrule at the end 3: cut remainder of the cable You had interchangeable lengths of rods to put at the end depending on either cable length or limited access. Overall a very useful tool in some instances but as a standard I would still use lockwire if access is good.
@eddean6663
@eddean6663 Жыл бұрын
We used them on the outside just not in a bearing sump. Still had to do the traditional lockwire. You're right about the ferrules though. Wouldn't want to get one of those in a bearing.
@fargley001
@fargley001 Жыл бұрын
So funny - love shop talk/pet names for tools. Also, nice hat tip to Seth from Berm Peak!
@meowmeow2759
@meowmeow2759 Жыл бұрын
I worked at a place making bleed air valves, it was an absolute pain in the ass to lockwire this ome butterfly valve so we looked through the mil spec the DWG suggested we lockwired to and we found a grey area that we thought we could use safety cable. A year later the customer found out we switched it up and we got our asses handed to us for switching since it wasn't on the engineering dwg and they threatened to do a recall on them (they did not) Went from an hour and a half of lockwire to 5 minutes of safety cable. They never added it to the engineering dwg. Guess they just loved to pay us overtime every month just to lockwire them instead.
@AgentJayZ
@AgentJayZ Жыл бұрын
Sounds like you had a customer that did not trust the judgement of your techs. Not a good situ to be in.
@meowmeow2759
@meowmeow2759 Жыл бұрын
@@AgentJayZ yeah, we figured we would get in trouble with the customer eventually, but at the time they had these real strict deadlines every month to make the dollar and we were physically at our limits with the 12-16 hour work days they made us do at the time. We needed something to help us along since we had zero engineering support and no chance of a dwg change short term.
@meowmeow2759
@meowmeow2759 Жыл бұрын
Also the tool has to be calibrated. It has to be calibrated to be sure it can perform the correct squeeze to hold that tension on the wire to not let loose.
@AgentJayZ
@AgentJayZ Жыл бұрын
Oh, we've got the correct squeeze. Here, let me show you...
@Ronke01
@Ronke01 Жыл бұрын
You need that tensioner and the calibration tool that comes with the crimper, otherwise you can't guarantee it's effectiveness
@alc818
@alc818 Жыл бұрын
SAFETY CABLE TERMINATOR TOOL by Aircraft Spruce is currently advertised for sale at $525
@H00L3y
@H00L3y Жыл бұрын
These are a life saver for Boro plugs
@kyle6094
@kyle6094 Жыл бұрын
@1:36 in the nautical world, 'whipping' is the process of securing the strands at the end of a rope to prevent it from unraveling - a whipped end. Not sure if it translates to the aerospace world.
@stopthephilosophicalzombie9017
@stopthephilosophicalzombie9017 11 ай бұрын
Probably knot. : )
@leontierralta
@leontierralta Жыл бұрын
Saludos desde Riosucio caldas Colombia
@HairHelmet
@HairHelmet Жыл бұрын
Amazing tool and it looks like they can be had nowadays for $500. Almost justifiable considering how much I pay an A&P per hour to safety wire my oil filter.
@josephspratt2055
@josephspratt2055 Жыл бұрын
Your tool seems to be missing the cable tensioner wheel. I guess that hole in the side is where it was.
@thomasfsan
@thomasfsan Жыл бұрын
Yes! More tools and techniques, thank you! Already know everything knowable about jet engines from you :) 😄
@gravel_slope
@gravel_slope Жыл бұрын
first time I see any one just pulling the wire with pliers and not inserting it into the ''gun''. is it realy approved to use this method without a calibrated ''gun'' and just pulling it? is it the MOE that states how and what you can do?
@AgentJayZ
@AgentJayZ Жыл бұрын
The wire does not hold the torque of the bolt. It is there to prevent the bolt from coming off if it loses its torque. Obsessing about how tight the wire is, is missing the point entirely.
@pubcollize
@pubcollize Жыл бұрын
@@AgentJayZ The wire should be tuned to A=440
@SeanBZA
@SeanBZA Жыл бұрын
End of that cable has been welded, either laser weld or tig torch, to get it to hold the strands together.
@davewood406
@davewood406 Жыл бұрын
Looks like that tool is around 500 bucks by itself but there's a kit that's $2500 that covers .032 and .022 with ferrules, some cables and other related tools. Spendy but for niche products like this, not insane. I'm in telecom (what am I doing here) and specialty tools be like that.
@davewood406
@davewood406 Жыл бұрын
Any good trade training is levels of mastery, at least it used to be. You don't know how to do something until you're told, here do (thing) until your hands bleed, then do it until they stop bleeding. come talk to me a few weeks and you'll get to paint the fence...
@stevewalston7089
@stevewalston7089 Жыл бұрын
Awesome and glad this popped up as recommended, I haven't watch one of your videos for a while. I do remember watching your safety wire series way back and how good they were. Surprising to see this "new" technology and how it is accepted so easily as being a direct replacement for safety wire. But I somehow doubt military applications unless the procedure is rewritten? That crimped ferrule bit still makes me nervous. Has your tool been calibrated lately? Looks like the cal sticker is pretty worn ;-)
@dontaslt3
@dontaslt3 Жыл бұрын
Hi, I was working on 737 CFM engines. If I remember correctly, in AMM standard practice chapter it says not to use one safety cable on more than 3 fasteners. I guess that's because if there is a safety cable failure all the fasteners are no longer locked. On the other hand lockwire is more resistant in this scenario because the wire is twisted and it still maintains tension on remaining fasteners. Could you check your manual.
@lgh081960
@lgh081960 Жыл бұрын
I hope AgentJayZ takes the time to respond to your comment in an upcoming video. It could be very entertaining... but it may take some time as he is probably very busy checking his manuals.
@AgentJayZ
@AgentJayZ Жыл бұрын
My manuals predate the invention of safety cable. I'll look into it.
@jetengines210
@jetengines210 Жыл бұрын
Your correct, it's in the FaA standard practices. Which most manuals are based off of.
@fragglepuppies
@fragglepuppies Жыл бұрын
The Boeing AMM standard practice Chapter states that a maximum of 3 fasteners can be safety cabled together in series. Also states, among other things, that maximum space between fasteners to be cabled together must not exceed 6”.
@somethings6015
@somethings6015 Жыл бұрын
The KZfaq algorithm served me up this because I watched your safety wire video years ago. That is the only other video of yours that I recall viewing. There is some Orwellian tracking going on here. I may have one of those tools, I have a habit of buying expensively built used hand tools when I see them cheap at sales.
@AgentJayZ
@AgentJayZ Жыл бұрын
Welcome back to Jet City!
@geneard639
@geneard639 Жыл бұрын
That unit is made by Daniels Manufacturing. When I first experienced them in the '90's my squadron got 3 aircraft from Depot that lock cables were used all over the aircraft and we were told 'its the new hotness' and.... as QA was doing the acceptance inspections every single lock cable had a defective ferrule swaged onto the cable end easily pulled off like it wasn't even swaged.
@AgentJayZ
@AgentJayZ Жыл бұрын
Good thing, then... that this cable tool was not made by Daniels. It's a real one, made by Bergen. Not endorsing them, but the cables do break before the end slips out. We confirm that every time we need to remove the cables... The QA managers should do their job, and ensure you have the right tools to Assure Quality... eh?
@MrBen527
@MrBen527 Жыл бұрын
Nice method! But yeah, dropping those sleeves would be a concern.
@thisisyourcaptainspeaking2259
@thisisyourcaptainspeaking2259 Жыл бұрын
Guess I should stop using vice grips to swage the ferrule...
@fletchers-rc1645
@fletchers-rc1645 Жыл бұрын
having used this tool in the Air Force on helicopters, i can tell you it is really expensive and not as effective as safety wire IMHO. There are some situations where this is absolutely a life saver.
@juliogonzo2718
@juliogonzo2718 Жыл бұрын
A braided cable has to be stronger than solid, no?
@garykusnierz2108
@garykusnierz2108 Жыл бұрын
Thank you !!!!
@chrisp8856
@chrisp8856 Жыл бұрын
Politically correct, maybe not?..but extremely entertaining and funny😂.
@AgentJayZ
@AgentJayZ Жыл бұрын
Thanks !
@DanielTheDev
@DanielTheDev Жыл бұрын
Thank you for the video. This just proves that the big dick competitions we would have in ~05 in the Air Force on who had the better safety wire were inept training regurgitations relative to this far superior method.
@DanielTheDev
@DanielTheDev Жыл бұрын
I must reply to myself and say "MY PIG TAIL IS MORE IN REGS HERPA DEEERRRRP!"
@shadowopsairman1583
@shadowopsairman1583 Жыл бұрын
6-8 TPI, funny how While I was in they didn't care how big a pigtail is lol. 2004-2010.
@ZekeGraal
@ZekeGraal Жыл бұрын
I've NEVER worked anywhere that bothered getting us safety cable merely for the cost of entry. They'd rather us put hours on a card than pay upfront to save time and either us or the customer money.
@AgentJayZ
@AgentJayZ Жыл бұрын
Here at Jet City, it's all about producing the highest quality work, and helping our employees to live their best life. Winters here suck, though...
@parshvapatel8484
@parshvapatel8484 Жыл бұрын
I recently discovered that f 22 raptor uses a cartridge to start it's APU [auxiliary power unit ] to start it's main engines do we have something similar in our shop that starts with cartridge or with auxiliary power unit.
@davidshutt2273
@davidshutt2273 Жыл бұрын
Thanx JZed
@alexjones2445
@alexjones2445 Жыл бұрын
Hey! Great video, if y’all use the cable guns at s&s right much it may be worth looking into the gun that has a wheel on it, works great for setting the cable tension so you don’t have to pull with players from the cable end. I really came to appreciate safety cable but lock wire really lets you express your artistic abilities…😁
@alexjones2445
@alexjones2445 Жыл бұрын
Correction, pull with players from the ferrule end.
@crono331
@crono331 Жыл бұрын
My airplane (small two seater) is mostly locknuts. There are maybe a dozen bolts that need lockwiring but accessibility is so poor i would almost pour the money for a safwty cable kit. All those are of course critica boltsl ( engine supports, oil ducts etc)
@neo16769
@neo16769 Жыл бұрын
Square up the crimping tool to the bolt face before you crimp and you will not lose so much tightness in the cable. You held it off axis and when removed the cable got slack.
@andrekemp5059
@andrekemp5059 10 ай бұрын
Great stuff😊
@samueltaylor4989
@samueltaylor4989 Жыл бұрын
Seeing that the last bolts you locked were so short, could one use a wire cut off from another area and crimp ferrules on both ends? Say if you only had long leads and all you needed was a 2” piece?
@AgentJayZ
@AgentJayZ Жыл бұрын
From a couple of days ago: Yes. It makes you think you are saving money... but you aren't. Plus, you are working on a million dollar engine... how cheap you gonna get?
@EverythingFixed732
@EverythingFixed732 Жыл бұрын
You didn't have the pliers/keeper flush on the bolt head before you crimped and I saw the safety wire come loose once the keeper moved that little amount to the bolt head so now its not taunt. 7:12-7:23
@AgentJayZ
@AgentJayZ Жыл бұрын
The wire does not apply torque to the bolt. Thanks, though. Of course after the procedure, I check the wire to see how tight or loose it is. It was fine.
@ericsd55
@ericsd55 Жыл бұрын
Cool stuff. General Aviation application, how can I figure out if safety cable could replace safety wire? I don't need a job, but in my next life I'd get a kick outta being your intern.
@remoteamt
@remoteamt Жыл бұрын
Typically if it’s not a rotating assembly, as far as I understand then you can swap cable for wire. In Army aviation it’s authorized so long as it’s not a rotating assembly then it’s good to go and I haven’t encountered any documentation in my GA work yet where it wouldn’t be authorized. If you have any question about it being good to use or not then go with wire, or reach out to the manufacturer.
@napalmholocaust9093
@napalmholocaust9093 Жыл бұрын
As far as fishing a crimp ferrule out of an engine goes; are they magnetic? Some SS is, some isn't.
@AgentJayZ
@AgentJayZ Жыл бұрын
Not magnetic,
@victoralvarez4884
@victoralvarez4884 Ай бұрын
Nombre de la herramienta ?
@AgentJayZ
@AgentJayZ Ай бұрын
This tool is made by Bergen. I found some at Aircraft Spruce when searching for safety wire tools. Also, search for "DMC SAFE-T-CABLE APPLICATION TOOL"
@jaycweingardt11
@jaycweingardt11 Жыл бұрын
7:50 Classic English comedy
@micstonemic696stone
@micstonemic696stone Жыл бұрын
I know you know it well but wanted to sent your an RAF Canadair Sabre but I have learnt the hard way about import taxes but possibly group paradox phenomena I think people did but maybe no one did because lots have already have ?, I cannot win, best whishes HAPPY CHRISTMAS & NEW YEAR
@richardcole1280
@richardcole1280 Жыл бұрын
The racing community is watching 👀
@fdst1857
@fdst1857 Жыл бұрын
I just watched and enjoyed your different fuels for jet engines video from 6mth ago. Im surprised you never touched upon more exotic fuels though. One ive always wondered about is early in the development of the sr-71 and the J58 work was started in developing a coal slurry powerplant which leads me to believe its been tried in at least one aircraft before, Can you expand upon the use of coal slurry as fuel or other exotic types what are the major benefits of coal slurry and also what fluid would you suspend the coal particles in for the slurry? Alcohol? Diesel perhaps? Thanks
@AgentJayZ
@AgentJayZ Жыл бұрын
I'm not aware of any potential advantages of using coal slurry to fuel gas turbine engines. I would be shocked and amazed to find out P&W ever considered such an idea. Doubly so if it involved the J58.
@fdst1857
@fdst1857 Жыл бұрын
Hydrogen was also brought up but shelved due to tankage issues,the coal slurry was decided the particle damage on components wasnt worth it, wonder what the draw of coal slurry was originaly,strange! Also wonder what parts are true declassified info and what are engineers stories.
@ollie4022
@ollie4022 Жыл бұрын
@@fdst1857 I know you didn’t ask me, but I would imagine that the coal slurry was attractive due to the fact it’s suspended in water, water being an excellent coolant. Typically one of the main limiting factors on any supersonic aircraft is dealing with aerodynamic heating and ingesting hot air into the engine. Some of the longest hydrocarbons found in JP7 have a specific heat capacity less than 1/5th that of water, so you can see just how much of a thermal advantage it would offer over the fuel they ended up with.
@flyerbob124
@flyerbob124 Жыл бұрын
Where did you get the Planes of Fame hat. I volunteered there for 40 years. Great Air Museum.
@AgentJayZ
@AgentJayZ Жыл бұрын
I have been there a couple of times. I think the first time, I bought the hat in the gift store.
@flyerbob124
@flyerbob124 Жыл бұрын
@@AgentJayZ could have used the cable lock wire to safety the updraft carburetor on some corsairs. My safety job does the trick but ain’t pretty.
@imsurethisisnotme4736
@imsurethisisnotme4736 Жыл бұрын
That’s cheating!! Awesome!
@AgentJayZ
@AgentJayZ Жыл бұрын
It is so much easier, I am willing to call it cheating. It's legal and approved, but still feels like cheating. I'm sure that was you.
@williamreymond2669
@williamreymond2669 Жыл бұрын
Z, you've tried this on the oil jet on the main seal of a T-58 yet? Let us know when you do.
@AgentJayZ
@AgentJayZ Жыл бұрын
I have not worked on a T58 for years now...
@calebmacgray4588
@calebmacgray4588 Жыл бұрын
Did you mean to sneak a monty python reference in there.... 7:55
@AgentJayZ
@AgentJayZ Жыл бұрын
50% Eric Idle, 50% Seth from Berm Peak.
@ZM1306
@ZM1306 Жыл бұрын
Very interesting work. But why set lengths? Why not a spool? I suppose it has to do more with efficiency in the business...
@AgentJayZ
@AgentJayZ Жыл бұрын
I think you have a good idea. I don't have an answer for why the cable is not available in a box of say, 500 ft. I will pass your suggestion on at the next meeting of the Global Aviation Conspiracy... of which I am a self proclaimed regional leader. Yeah.
@Oleg-oe1rc
@Oleg-oe1rc Жыл бұрын
If I had to guess it's because at least one of the ends can be guaranteed to be properly attached, and while a large portion of the tools cost is to ensure it crimps reliably everytime, it still cuts any potential issues in that regard in half Also, you'd have to contantly deal with the wire splitting while feeding it through since you'd have a newly cut end everytime instead of a nice smooth fused tip And if you're buying an expensive tool like this instead of just doing regular lockwire the name of the game is speed and reliability
@Nickslayer9821
@Nickslayer9821 Жыл бұрын
The company I work for uses these on our vehicles and one end of the cable has a fixed squarehead
@oyou812
@oyou812 Жыл бұрын
22 years as a crew chief and towards the end could do it faster without the pliers until the cut and foldover at the end lol There's times that the cable style would have been better for sure. But more things to lose that way
@glennjames7107
@glennjames7107 Жыл бұрын
I know exactly what you're talking about ! Most of the time I only use a pair of duckbill pliers and a pair of side cutters, even then my hands alone do 90% of the job. I use the duckbills to help pull tension, the dikes to cut the tail, and again the duckbills to turn the pigtail under. I don't use wire twisters very often at all.
@lwilton
@lwilton Жыл бұрын
In rope making, the end of a rope is kept from fraying by wrapping it with small line (known as "small stuff"). This process is called "serving". In your safety cable, that blob on the end is basically a spot weld. All three wires are fused into a single blob. In the old days, this would have been done by connecting an electrical potential between the wire and a pool of oil-covered mercury, and touching the tip of the wire to the mercury to create a weld. Obviously the weld can't stick to mercury, so you end up with a blob connection like this. Nowadays people die of cancer just from hearing the word 'mercury', so I have no idea how such a weld is done now. Maybe a laser.
@AgentJayZ
@AgentJayZ Жыл бұрын
"Everybody's got to serve somebody"
@imajeenyus42
@imajeenyus42 Жыл бұрын
TIG welder, done it loads of times. Quick blip on the end of the cable, fuses it nicely.
@ddegn
@ddegn Жыл бұрын
@@AgentJayZ Reminds me of the great recipe book titled *"To Serve Humans."*
@AgentJayZ
@AgentJayZ Жыл бұрын
It's a Bob Dylan song from a ways back
@lwilton
@lwilton Жыл бұрын
@@ddegn The original title was "To Serve Man" if I recall correctly. I can easily see it having been retroactively changed these days. A science fiction story from 1950 by Damon Knight, later made into a Twilight Zone episode, later used in a Bob Dylan song.
@harethalsadi3406
@harethalsadi3406 Жыл бұрын
How are you? I am very happy and benefited from following you from Iraq. How does the jet engine continue to work well despite large amounts of water entering it, for example during rain? Thanks Haerth
@AgentJayZ
@AgentJayZ Жыл бұрын
If you go to the search box on my channel page, and type in "water", one of the hits is this video, where I talk about water ingestion. kzfaq.info/get/bejne/sLRynZle3JeUqnk.html It's called Your Questions 19.
@harethalsadi3406
@harethalsadi3406 Жыл бұрын
@@AgentJayZ Thank you
@gymkhanadog
@gymkhanadog Жыл бұрын
Actually the tools are only about 500 at most; just priced them. Well within the realm of a hobbyist tool.
@anythingsoccerpro1844
@anythingsoccerpro1844 9 ай бұрын
Safety cable has different regulations per engine and can sometimes not be approved on certain components. On the TF34 the fuel lines leading to the fuel nozzles would not allow safety cable on the fuel line bosses. Don’t know why. Prefer safety wire anyways, get way more of a tight line.
@anythingsoccerpro1844
@anythingsoccerpro1844 9 ай бұрын
Also they jam every once awhile trying to crimp the swedge
@44samul
@44samul Жыл бұрын
4:10 good to know
@digitalsocal
@digitalsocal Жыл бұрын
7:53 Seth's Bike Hacks?
@AgentJayZ
@AgentJayZ Жыл бұрын
Berm Peak Express! Been watching Seth since he was on his patio in Florida. He's a true professional, and an example of what is possible on YT. I still have a day job, and continue to grind away...
@digitalsocal
@digitalsocal Жыл бұрын
@@AgentJayZ For sure. Learned so much about mountain biking from him, although I'm still a noob. Looking forward to the inevitable jet-powered mountain bike crossover episode!
@yarmud
@yarmud Жыл бұрын
How do you measure the crimping strength as that tool ages? Cutting ability is obvious, it can cut or not.
@flyingby3703
@flyingby3703 Жыл бұрын
Since the tool looks hand powered isn’t the crimping strength dependent on how strong you squeeze it?
@yarmud
@yarmud Жыл бұрын
@@flyingby3703 no, if the rod pushing the ring shortens it does not matter how strong you squeeze, i wont crimp enough.
@AgentJayZ
@AgentJayZ Жыл бұрын
The thing to remember is that the wire cutting bit is the actual end of the rod that crimps the ferrule. No crimp, no cut. I am trying to share "what it's like" as a jet engine tech with people who don't get to have that experience. I get so much criticism from people who have never touched the stuff... I can hardly believe it sometimes. You don't believe what I tell you? Hey bud, many cat videos out there for you. For Fox Creek.
@flyingby3703
@flyingby3703 Жыл бұрын
@@AgentJayZ thank you for the explanation. I don’t think yarmud or I said anything to make you believe we doubt your knowledge on the subject or criticized you in any way. In my case it was just a genuine will to understand the tool you demonstrated better. I may have never touched the stuff but I for myself can say I study mechanical engineering and I do have the ability to understand how machines and tools work even if I don’t have the experience of someone who worked in the field for several years. So I will criticize your passive aggressive tone towards two viewers who said nothing that was disrespectful in any way and were merely having a normal discussion about the topic of the video. That was not necessary.
@byloyuripka9624
@byloyuripka9624 Жыл бұрын
@@AgentJayZ jayz, i hate to say it kind sir but i love you roasting folks 😋 sorry if it causes you stress. i would love a restaurant where instead of basic insults thrown at you there were agentjayzs dryly roasting patrons as they served them ya know
@deandee8082
@deandee8082 Жыл бұрын
so how far are you from being a rocket engine mechanic? a rocket surgeon? man on superbikes we use a wire, good up to 250 mph, that braided stuff looks like its good to at least 2000 mph, hale we just twist safety wire on itself, pinch locks? and a tool? actually there is a this twist tool that twists the wire on itself and tightens in that's pretty handy but that braided stainless and pinch locks now that's high tech, any idea the temp rating on something like that? 450F maybe?
@jaba512
@jaba512 Жыл бұрын
How much force does a wire like that hold? The ferrule is probably the weak-spot?
@AgentJayZ
@AgentJayZ Жыл бұрын
The ferrule is not the weak spot. The wire needs to be tight enough to avoid vibrating and wear, but it does not hold the torque of the bolt. The wire is there to keep the bolt from winding out and becoming a loose piece of debris that could cause a lot of damage. The wire is not strong enough to apply the proper torque to the bolt. That's not what it's for. Every time a safety cable is removed for disassembly, the cable breaks. Even if the ferrule itself is gripped by the pliers and force is applied, the cable breaks, but the ferrule never comes off. I've never seen it happen.
@jaba512
@jaba512 Жыл бұрын
@@AgentJayZ so the part itself is then treaded? Does air industy use nuts in any motorparts? How are nuts are hold so that they dont rattle off? Crown nuts?
@AgentJayZ
@AgentJayZ Жыл бұрын
I think you may need to investigate further, just how bolts and screws work...
@mrobinson4210
@mrobinson4210 Жыл бұрын
Being that the cable and ferrule are stainless, if they are clean the crimper might actually cold weld the ferrule to the cable.
@bigiron4018
@bigiron4018 Жыл бұрын
It definitely does to some degree, but I suspect very very little of the holding force comes from that
@AgentJayZ
@AgentJayZ Жыл бұрын
No. You need to do a bit more looking into the phenomenon of cold welding. "Clean" isn't clean enough.
@bigiron4018
@bigiron4018 Жыл бұрын
@@AgentJayZ there will be sections that just happen to be molecularly clean, after crimping, that cold weld. but not enough to matter..
@AgentJayZ
@AgentJayZ Жыл бұрын
I disagree.
@nilamotk
@nilamotk Жыл бұрын
4:00 😂😂
@ShainAndrews
@ShainAndrews Жыл бұрын
Why the emoji?
@nilamotk
@nilamotk Жыл бұрын
@@ShainAndrews click on the 4:00 minutes. I'm laughing at his joke in the video at 4 minute mark.
@user-anon
@user-anon Жыл бұрын
If only I could use that on the ciws
@beachboardfan9544
@beachboardfan9544 Жыл бұрын
4:10 🤣
@Ryan-cy7zw
@Ryan-cy7zw Жыл бұрын
Always the army guys bragging about hand wiring for 200 years when they'd still be faster if they learned to use tools
@user-zi8jn1go8k
@user-zi8jn1go8k Жыл бұрын
I know it's certified so I'm sure it is good, but just from the looks it's hard to believe that the cable will snap before the cap slips off. Would be nice to see what happens when you pull on it hard enough.
@AgentJayZ
@AgentJayZ Жыл бұрын
Well, you just told me you don't believe what I tell you. So why do you even watch? This channel is about sharing my experiences working on jet engines with interested viewers. It's not about debating, arguing, or proving anything to anybody. The depressingly large portion of the world who belive whatever they want, ingnoring facts and denying science would just say " that could be faked". So no, I will not demonstrate anything to satisfy or disprove your suspicions.
@willswift94
@willswift94 Жыл бұрын
Is it possible to not crimp hard enough so that the cap _can_ fall off? Gotta say the same thought ran through my mind when I saw that little piece of metal just hanging on the end there.
@AgentJayZ
@AgentJayZ Жыл бұрын
It is possible to do that. The result is that the wire is not cut and the tool gets stuck. You say a few choice words, rip it all out and start again. The thing to remember is that the wire cutting bit is the actual end of the rod that crimps the ferrule. No crimp, no cut. I am trying to share "what it's like" as a jet engine tech with people who don't get to have that experience. I get so much criticism from people who have never touched the stuff... I can hardly believe it sometimes. You don't believe what I tell you? Hey bud, many cat videos out there for you. For Fox Creek.
@bobloblaw1636
@bobloblaw1636 Жыл бұрын
@@AgentJayZ Cool your jets. Nobody's trying to call it 'fake' or criticize you.
@AgentJayZ
@AgentJayZ Жыл бұрын
Oh, I disagree. I get it every freakin' day, and I don't give it an inch.
@micstonemic696stone
@micstonemic696stone Жыл бұрын
AgentJayZ I grow up with Aviation in the Family, my Epilepsy stopped me 6ft 3in to 5ft 7in Kyposcoliosis hunch back cheers life for that, NIBBLER my cat sit's up there, he's ok Double fused vertibre, bends forward but feel's like bending backward constant fall's break's and no DR will see me, I have a telephone appointment for my COPD from hospital, funny I thought they used a stethoscope !!! Not lazy I really wish I could work, was single dad 2 to 28yrs I still love my piston engine's, am motor mech I Miss so much. you are right here with as much theory as I can learn my favourite motor the turbo-jet, you are unique 3 or 4 books or favorite jet tech, comparable to whom ? I am lucky I guess I have a diversion from common daily ache's & pains I am quiet too, which was nice to discover, Problem is my Jet City Patreon has lapsed and you didn't complain, will find out from bank then sent balance to You, care of S & S Turbines, and reapply for Jet City Membership, ok. Mr Mic Stone 696 sorry mate
@grahamj9101
@grahamj9101 Жыл бұрын
At about 1:50, did you say "soddery"? To me, that sounds like a term for a form of sexual deviation. But I do now recall some of the American auto restoration shows I've seen on TV over here. They talk about "soddering", when I think they really mean 'soLdering'. Yes, in Brit English, we pronounce the word as it is spelt. For example, we also pronounce the word 'thorough' as we spell it: we don't say "thurrow". And the one that really creases us sailors (I have over 20,000 sea miles logged) is 'buoy', pronounced "boo-ee", not "boy". So how do you pronounce 'buoyancy' over there? "Boo-ee-an-see"? Nevertheless, American English is hardly more phonetic than Brit English, despite Noah Webster saving the printers a few letters, eg, 'ax' not 'axe', 'plow' not 'plough', and 'harbor' not 'harbour', plus all the other words where an '-or' ending replaces '-our' (etc, etc) Of course, I'm sticking my tongue ( "ton-gew-ee"?) in my cheek and taking the p*** out of Brit English, (both spelling and pronunciation) every bit as much as I am American English. Merry Christmas and/or Happy Holiday to you all!
@mrtitanium427
@mrtitanium427 Жыл бұрын
swagey swagey! lol
@KISSMYACE3203
@KISSMYACE3203 Жыл бұрын
Never used one for wire, but that definitely looks, and sounds, like a crimper from DMC. (Daniels Manufacturing)
@AIM54A
@AIM54A Жыл бұрын
Can you use a crimped end on both sides to re-use left over cable?
@AgentJayZ
@AgentJayZ Жыл бұрын
Yes. It makes you think you are saving money... but you aren't. Plus, you are working on a million dollar engine... how cheap you gonna get?
@mohamedhadji9756
@mohamedhadji9756 Жыл бұрын
Hi does an A&P Mechanic certificate is enough to open your own shop? Or it does requires an engineer degree
@AgentJayZ
@AgentJayZ Жыл бұрын
Neither. It requires a business license, and customers who trust your work. The true judge of your work are your customers, and they review your track record, expecting zero deficiencies.
@mohamedhadji9756
@mohamedhadji9756 Жыл бұрын
@@AgentJayZ Thank-you
@robot_spider
@robot_spider Жыл бұрын
Ha, they're basically ball-end guitar strings. Nice.
@AgentJayZ
@AgentJayZ Жыл бұрын
I wonder what stranded cables would sound like on a guitar. These ones aren't long enough, but I'm guessing they would be quite "lossy" and dead. But that's what the amps are for !
@robot_spider
@robot_spider Жыл бұрын
@@AgentJayZ With the size of those cables, I suspect you'd fold the neck before you ever got it in tune :D Still kinda want to try it though :D When you said "These are $1/piece, my first thought was "That's actually a good deal for guitar strings!"
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