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Bro when’s yalls next video?

@@johnmilo7629 we’ll cook something up soon

@@sageofthickcalves Hell yeah I feel yall are like the second Swag and Six 💯

@@johnmilo7629 ayeee I appreciate that

Always good to see you on here my dude 🙏🏼

I appreciate you! I think Jiraiya’s whole mission was to get intel tbh, so I don’t think he wanted to frog song them until he knew he had all of them, which he still failed to do. With Sasori, they’d all know how he’s a pretty hard counter to Jiraiya so I think it goes down that way. He definitely gets hoed though lmao I felt bad

Thank you! Yeah you were spot on with the sage energy stuff 🤙🏼

I appreciate you bro! Yeah I think the storytelling element is something I really like from NCHammer, but I want to make sure I’m getting the scaling right at the same time haha. Let’s shoot for the second week of January

I appreciate you! 🙏🏼🙏🏼🙏🏼

Lowkey rly is

@@Gingallion_Stallion you guys are the best

Straight facts

Thank you so much! That’s a great point. It then just comes down to if the frog song would release once he thinks Sasori is dead or not. Also, if he puts him under frog song and destroys Hiruko, I think there’s a decent chance he sees Sasori’s “real” body and investigates further before ceasing the Frog Song

After the Toad Confrontation Chant Jiraiya crushes the hearts of his victim using special stone blades, so he likely would find the core when doing so and crush it (if it actually works on him, which is questionable).@@sageofthickcalves

Thank you so much! Honestly, I don’t think he’d use it early enough for it to matter

@@sageofthickcalves agree kisame wins more so than not out of 10 Only queried cuz I find that overwhelming taijutsu or genjutsu and subletting attack is the only way to kill kisame... even stronger people who are ninjutsu based.would find him hard to beat. Hirudora only knocked him out haha!! Man's a beast

Same bro

I appreciate you! Next video is Kakashi joins the Akatsuki and the one after that is Kakashi vs Obito form by form. Gotta tell you, the thumbnail for Kakashi vs Obito is probably my best work haha

Thank you! I appreciate the love 🙏🏼 Yeah I said Asuma would’ve beaten Hidan had he known anything about his abilities. My point was that Asuma scales over Hidan, but lost due to hax. Sage Jiraiya doesn’t have crazy speed feats tbh. It’s impossible to scale him above Kakashi in terms of speed, who Kakuzu reacted to. Also, even if Jiraiya does blitz, he can’t physically harm Kakuzu. So, even though Kakuzu can’t move the individual body part he’s using the diamond morph on, I don’t think it would matter. The needle jizo might not do anything to him either way. Even his base durability is crazy. He didn’t use diamond morph against Matatabi at all and survived way worse than Needle Jizo. But yeah I think Jiraiya’s jutsu arsenal gets him the W

I appreciate you bro! Yeah I knew the Sasori one would be controversial. It’s just genuinely how I see it going because of Jiraiya’s intel.

Thank you! 🙏🏼 Indra and Ashura would slam the Akatsuki, but yeah a six paths gauntlet would go crazy

@@sageofthickcalves Honestly, the only reason I suggested Akatsuki was because I want to hear you break down why Indra with his base MS would destroy Pain or Nagato with their Rinnegan lol

Thank you so much! Natsu from Fairy Tale? Idk bro I haven’t watched or read it. Depending on the versions of Naruto and Sasuke, they could solo the verse lmao

The high tiers in Fairy Tail scale to continental and while some have hax, pretty much all of their hax can be shrugged off by being significantly stronger than them. At best I'd say Natsu can box alive EMS Madara/Hashirama

@@matthewclark1857 continental AP or DC?

@@sageofthickcalves hells paradise gabimaru?? or how far does naruto or sasuke get in bleach or yu yu hakusho

@sageofthickcalves AP, the widest ranging ability I believe we saw was Irene rearranging the geography of a country. Continental may be a high ball, I say continental because Natsu was able to match Zeref after he got a huge amp and he was already far stronger than someone like Irene. Some people take Natsu's magic burning through time in his fight against Zeref to scale them to ridiculous levels, but it's no more than a single line said by Zeref in the fight so I have no clue what it actually means for Natsu's AP

Love that!

@@sageofthickcalves Thanks, buddy!

You should upload them

Thank you! Yeah I plan on doing a Kisame vs Jiraiya video eventually. I don’t think the fight goes far enough for c4 to come out. If it does, he’s probably screwed

@@sageofthickcalves cool ok, where would you rank sage jiraiya.. a little under high kage level? Sage Naruto is considered high kage level by many and stronger than sage jiraiya And where would you rank base jiraiya,low to mid kage level? Cause many people say hebi Sasuke is low kage level but would probably edge out base jiraiya though would be high difficulty for both sides

@@oscarperez5539 yeah I’d have Jiraiya around mid-kage level. Probably beats up Mei and Gaara, but loses to Tsunade, Ay, and Onoki

@@sageofthickcalves you talking base jiraiya or sage jiraiya? Cant wait for you to do the Sasuke vs Akatsuki gauntlet and Tsunade vs Akatsuki/orochimaru vs Akatsuki gauntlet videos

@@oscarperez5539 I think if Jiraiya starts in sage mode he probably takes Onoki too, but still loses to Tsunade and Ay

Thank you! Wanted to do sage Jiraiya justice

Always appreciate the love bro! 🙏🏼

Thank you so much! Hope to see you on here more in the future 🫡

I’m more of a narrative guy myself I take Itachi, Kisame, and Pain’s statements closer to face value as a way to discribe Jiraiya’s strengths with his limited combat interactions in the show He’s a rival for Itachi in combat He’s skilled enough to pull an unlikely dub against 6 path of pain with Intel And he slams Kisame no diff unless he absorbs all of Bee’s chakra beforehand

@@HC-gm4fo I can respect you leaning more toward the narrative than the feats, but I’m more of a feats guy. I also think Itachi would’ve had good reason to lie about Jiraiya being a match for him, being a Konoha spy and all. As far as Kisame’s counter for toad mouth trap, I’m convinced the super shark bomb should do it, or his hungry sharks could eat through it. I also think it was a very specific situation they were in during that encounter that allowed for that. I think Kisame getting Bee’s chakra just brought him back to baseline. We don’t see anything too crazy from him in his fight against Guy that time around that is totally unexpected from his previous showings, outside of fusing with samehada.

YOU are peak 🙏🏼

@@sageofthickcalves keep up the great work man

- Asuma would’ve won had he known about Hidan’s jutsu imo because he would’ve fought from long range and avoided the scythe, but my point was he scales at or above Hidan physically and Jiraiya is above him - Deidara needed to gain distance to form C2, but it wouldn’t matter either way. Gamabunta hard counters - Yeah I misspoke when I said “Ma” instead of “Pa”. It’s actually colorized as water in the manga as well, but that looks to be a mistake too. Either way, he and Ma can both use fire and wind at least, so the combination jutsu works. - C2 seems slower than C1 to me, but again it doesn’t matter against Gamabunta. - Neither a brain nor ears are needed in order to get hit with Frog Song. You just have to be able to hear. Sasori can hear even in his Hiruko puppet, so I don’t think it would be an issue. - We know Hidan lies and performs for the sake of trying to fool his enemies, so I chalk him freaking out about the paper bomb up to that. We know Kakuzu has survived much worse (as outlined in the video) even without the diamond morph, so I have no reason to believe he wouldn’t be able to defend against the Needle Jizo. At the very least, he can relocate his hearts or spread them around so I don’t think Needle Jizo would work as a win condition even if it hits.

Asuma is a close-range specialist and he lost in that area when Hidan broke past his guard with the scythe. Not as if Hidan knew about Asuma's own bukijutsu either, and he emerged victorious in their clash. It took a single hand motion to make it, which he would have whilst flying away on C1. I think all-direction sand might be superior in terms of agility to Gamabunta's leaps or ninjutsu. Deidara called C2 a superior art so it likely functions better therein. The Toad Confrontation Chant functions off of a specific medley passed down throughout the toads. I think one might need human hearing for it. Hidan does not really act when he is talking to Kakuzu. He is just hyperactive in general, and Kakuzu did not respond in a way that indicates Hidan's worry was unfounded, he told him he was fine because he hardened his hand. What Kakuzu survived beforehand could have just been when he had time to form a full hand seal as opposed to when facing Jiraiya when the Senbon might pierce him before he has the time. Moving his hearts does not stop him from taking a lethal blow, it just lets him break a heart to revive him, but if Jiraiya already spread out the other hearts out of his body they might not be able to return. @@sageofthickcalves

@@Arcadia_warlic Gotta be honest with you bro, it’s 1:30am so I’m not gonna go through all that point by point again. It seems we generally agree on the outcomes, but disagree on some of the subjective details. I’ll be talking more about it when I stream tomorrow (tonight? because it’s already Saturday lol). So feel free to hop on and I’ll go over it in more depth.

Didn’t I already reply to this exact comment on another post?

@@sageofthickcalves lol nah, I messed up and shared it on there tho.

@@JuiceManDavis oh gotcha lol

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itachi would call dibs on first hit and torture him for 200 years in tsukuyomi

He can still hear and he has chakra so he can be put under genjutsu

Yeah I figured he’d stop at Deidara until I re-read their fights

Thank you! - My argument was I don’t think if Asuma knew a kit Hidan’s abilities that he’d have much of an issue avoiding Hidan. Their scaling isn’t so far off that Hidan can just outright blitz him if Asuma is trying to dodge. - Yeah I think those three are debatable so I’m not mad at that. I lean toward Jiraiya due to his massive and potent arsenal, but I don’t think it’s definitive.

@sageofthickcalves... Very nice video here. But Imo, I'd try to be as brief as possible... We're analysing past-prime Jiraiya against these Akatsuki fighters that were currently in their own prime which tends to make the analysis abit uneven again... Hiruzen Sarutobi in his prime was the strongest of the five kages and an excellent teacher to fully train his students to the level where even prime Hanzo (Another beast of a fighter) was soo impressed at how skillful they all were that he rather gave them a title (generally feared in all of the land) in exchange for their lives... Amongst the three students, I dare say, sentiments aside, Jiraiya although as clumsy as ever is just like Naruto who was a late bloomer but turned out to be almost undefeatable in battle due to his high resilience... Could only have inherited this from Minato who happened to be a student of Prime Jiraiya who definitely must have instilled that into him which further improved Minato's battle capability... Naruto turned out at par with Genius Sasuke only because of plot ease... So at worst case, Jiraiya and Orochimaru would have ended same way due to same Intels known of each other and the multiple battles they've fought on same side and against each other... Remember they definitely must have been sparring partners which would have only further amplified them both... As for the Akatsuki, Prime Nagato had to wait until Hanzo was old and past his prime to make his move, same strategy Orochimaru used when he came up against Hiruzen, even though I still feel Hiruzen was still holding back due to sentiments until the very end when he became serious and we could see how much of a threat serious Hiruzen could be against any opposition even past his prime.. Using the above analogy for my comparison's, yes Hidan, Konan, Zetsu (white and black) lose to prime Jiraiya hands down. Deidara, sasori and kakuzu even though they also would loose to Jiraiya, their battle intellect would make the battle abit more challenging for the Sanin. Orochimaru and Jiraiya would only end in stalemate or maybe Pervy sage wins only due to slightly superior stamina (as whether we want to admit it or not, Jiraiya was extremely intelligent, battle capable, battle smart and easily holds the record for the highest number of completed A-ranked and S-ranked missions) That's why Minato and Nagato (even with the rennigan) were able to blossom to almost their full potentials under Jiraiya's mentorship... Jiraiya and Itachi would not happen as both would know that Itachi was a spy for konoha inside the Akatsuki... But if a battle was to happen, Jiraiya wins with very high difficulty due to his sage genjutsu... Jiraiya wins against Kisame as Itachi is definitely stronger than Kisame and Jiraiya could still pull off a win against a genius such as Itachi... kisame's battle feats are against; four tails of the forest (Jiraiya sparred with Naruto in four tails and was able to manage to subdue him even when he wasn't fighting to kill him... Same thing Orochimaru did also...That's how battle capable these two really are if they go all out in battle...).. Nagato only wins because Jiraiya is not aware of his 6-paths...( A statement Nagato himself said after their battle and when asked by Obito why he stayed soo long in battle to which Obito nodded in affirmation to how capable a fighter Jiraiya was even at that age)... Prime Jiraiya though wins this battle as he's more durable (better reflexes) due to him still being very young... Jiraiya vs Obito would go to Obito as he would be clearly underestimated by the prime Jiraiya (bad habits never die) and this would prove very fatal for the Pervy sage... But if for some miracle (which I do not see ever happening) prime Jiraiya goes all out from the beginning, then he defeats Obito as even his student, Minato proved to be slightly stronger during their Short confrontation.. ...

He can still hear, so it would work on him. The description of frog song says you just have to be within earshot and as soon as you hear it you’ll be ensnared.

@sageofthickcalves Yes but don't you think since he starts off in the Shell that would distort the sound even off a little bit? I think Jiraiya Still wins, he just gotta smash the shell with a Sage Rasengan first.

@@CoffeeandCharacter shouldn’t really matter if the sound is a bit distorted because otherwise it being distorted in the pipes would’ve caused an issue against Pain

It “eats” the chakra and uses it to increase its own power

I appreciate the love brother! It’s definitely weird because Sasori can hear, and the databook entry on Frog Song just says anyone who hears the song will succumb to the genjutsu. So for me, I think it should work

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​@sageofthickcalves Are Pain and Nagato on two different levels (Early Naruto sage mode and above KCM 1 respectively)? I'm rewatching the Pain arc right now, and seeing Kakashi keep up with Tendo, when Nagato was dealing with KCM 1 Naruto and version 2 Bee easily is really confusing.

@@i.q.1979 Yeah I think they should be two different levels in terms of scaling, but it’s not really clear tbh. There are people who argue sage mode Naruto > KCM1 Naruto

@@sageofthickcalves What's YOUR opinion on sage mode Naruto vs KCM 1 Naruto?

@@i.q.1979 KCM1 should be faster, but their combat speed is likely evened up due to sage mode’s precognition

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Jiraiya is immune to Genjutsu

@@SalmanulFarisi101 no he’s not

@@sageofthickcalves he is. Two Sage toads are merged with him. No Genjutsu except Maybe Tsukiyomi works. And Tsukiyomi can easily be avoided by No eye contact which is easier for Sage mode users

@@SalmanulFarisi101 It doesn’t matter that two Sage Toads are merged with him. If, by “immune to genjutsu” you mean, “he’ll be broken out quickly”, you’re correct. However, there’s nothing showing or stating that he can’t be hit with genjutsu, immobilizing him temporarily. Even a single second of immobilization would be enough for Obito to beat him.

I'm pretty sure Jiraiya looked Itachi dead in the eyes in part 1. You'd also need to give Jiraiya a big speed advantage over Itachi and Jiraiya hasn't once shown any speed feat to out him on Itachi's level let alone claim him as faster. Another thing is Itachi can simply force Jiraiya to look him in the eyes. Then there's the Yata Mirror which is stated to be able to repel anything be it physical or spiritual so the Yata Mirror might unironically be able to deflect Frog Song. Itachi has Jiraiya beat in almost every aspect, we see that from how effortlessly he deals with Orochimaru.

Totsuka Blade gg

@@sageofthickcalves swamp of the underworld>susanoo

@@numberhunter62 orochimaru was being cocky that's why itachi beat him so easily.as for physical speed jiraya in sage mode is faster and way stronger than itachi.jiraya was looking down the hall surely not right into a genius uchiha eyes that have the world wide reputation to cast strong genjutsu if you look into their eyes not to mention jiraya live through generations of uchiha need I say more about the eyes thing.

@@numberhunter62 as for the susanoo just staying away from it is a great tactic so itachi wouldn't use susanoo at least not the larger form.Jiraya wins against alot of people because of his arsenal even itachi,while against pain he was at a major disadvantage not knowing there was more bodies if he did know he would have beat the other bodies except tendo .

It’s the standard intel he’d have in the story. They also have the intel they’d have to that point

Well he can hear and he has chakra so I don’t see why not

100%, but we know nature energy is a key component in sage chakra, so there’s should still be a threshold for how much sage chakra can be absorbed

@@sageofthickcalves True.. Kisame definitely meets the threshold tho since I’d guess jiraiya has less of it than naruto did

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I mean I think Itachi takes it for sure, but I can see why it’s contentious

Jiraiya doesn’t have good speed scaling in base. You got a feat that puts him in base above Kakuzu in speed?

@@sageofthickcalves how about him combating no arms Orochimaru and in every cannon material him being relative to base Orochimaru that with him consistently being implied and stated to be above Kakashi, who with his Raikari definitely is above Kakazu in speed or at least his normal combat speed. However Kakashi still cucks to Jiraiya. I may not be as eloquent but I’ll link Six’s literal video on it. I definitely hear you on feats over statements but in this case it’s like every time this guy is shown he’s implied to destroy a planet and here you are like idk about that maybe he can destroy a town at best. And ofc I don’t think jiraiya is that strong I’m just using the hyperbole to demonstrate the gap in his actual narrative and even on screen portrayal and your own water downed portrayal. Which I think is just disingenuous.

@@yamamotogotbodied1606 Ok let’s follow this chain. What feats does Orochimaru have that put his speed above Kakuzu’s? Not narrative implications, since those are subjective. What actual speed feats does Orochimaru (the version of Orochimaru that Jiraiya is supposed to be relative to) have that put him definitively above Kakuzu?

@@sageofthickcalves how about a literal hours to days away from death Orochimaru on his sick bed reacting to completely new chidori variant from a heavy Sasuke post time skip, meaning he’s above that Kakashi and Naruto from the Kakazu fight, as Naruto envisions a weaker early Sasuke from the hideout encounter. Meaning it’s consistently illustrated even via feats that a Sannin even in their weakest state (as this Orochimaru gets slapped by the Oro who fights roofied Jiraiya from the Search For Tsunade arc), can slam characters stronger and faster than Kakazu.

@@sageofthickcalves you definitely had me on the ropes for a second I legit had to go looking for a feat lol

If you can hear you can be affected by frog song. I don’t think Gamabunta physically beats up Kakuzu. That wasn’t my argument. My argument is essentially that Jiraiya, Gamabunta, Ma, and Pa should be able to produce a powerful enough combination technique to put down Kakuzu.

@@sageofthickcalves see I think this is where you just get into how turning yourself into a puppet makes no sense the puppet body doesn't have like organs or a brain so id doubt it has ear drums sasori is just a heart in a box so really how the fuck is he seeing or hearing in the first same reason visual genjutsu shouldn't work those aren't actual eyes theres no brain or chakra system in the body and genjutsu affects the brain sure it gets there through hearing but what brain is it affecting how is sasori even able to think in the first place. With them teaming up it really depends on how there destructive capabilities scale and I don't remember ma or pa pulling out anything that does any crazy damage and I don't think even jiriya with gama combo jutsu would have the same power as something from the 2 tails the taild beast thats main power is fire

@@whoknows8587 could just say the “heart” is an all-encompassing organ of some kind. Regardless, he definitely CAN hear

@@sageofthickcalves I mean yeah can assume that I guess but I mean really just don't know and again while he can hear what brain is it affecting there is no way to argue it working without making big assumptions about how the puppet body works and because of that I really don't see it fair as a win con mostly as the only win con you bring up cause it's again really arguable cause we just don't get how the body works if you ever re run that fight I would put that under a possible outcome I really wouldn't use it to say jiriya could and would be able to do that as his main win con as it's really arguable

@@whoknows8587 It doesn’t say anything about the brain in the jutsu description. It does say essentially that if you can hear it then you’re done. Here’s what it says verbatim: “Those who hear it are drawn into a genjutsu world where their minds are paralyzed.” The only stipulation for genjutu to work is that there’s a condition that is met for disrupting the opponent’s chakra. For sharingan genjutsu, it’s generally eye contact (injecting chakra into the eyes), some genjutsu only requires a touch, point, or hand sign. The condition that has to be met for this is that the opponent hears it. Since Sasori can hear for sure, he’s vulnerable to it. There’s nothing stated about physiology, so there’s no reason to assume it wouldn’t work on Sasori.

@@CasperRiecke it really depends. I’d say it was probably a lie, but we also don’t know if he has the Totsuka Blade & Yata Mirror yet at this point, or how far his susano’o had developed. We also don’t know how strong Kisame is, in comparison to his shippuden self. So you could make a real argument for Jiraiya in part 1.

I disagree with him beating Orochimaru or Kisame, but I do think there’s an argument

​​@@sageofthickcalves yea glad you showed jiraiya love in this video lol.. it seems every other creator disses him saying he's fodder/weak and he'd lose to every Akatsuki Besides hidan or konan. Some even saying hebi Sasuke edges out base jiraiya though would be a high difficulty fight for both

Hey bro I’m here for the Konan love 🤣

He can’t reflect ANY genjutsu, just genjutu of a certain caliber. She sharingan and it’s evolutions give the user innate genjutsu resistance, but I doubt he’d be able to resist the most powerful one

Styles make fights

Zetsu in the war arc scales to Neji dawg

@@sageofthickcalves Merged Zetsu (Like the one that was in the Akatsuki) was able to hold off both Naruto and Sasuke at the end of the war. They also have access to Wood Release and all 5 Chakra nature's, plus Yin and Yang release.

@@Frstypwngaming Zetsu is only strong when bound to a host

@@sageofthickcalves Fused Zetsu (Like the one in the Akatsuki) was able to fend off a Naruto clone, and was only bisected by being caught off guard. He, again, has access to all 5 Chakra natures plus Yin and Yang release. Just him being able to hold off a KCM Naruto clone puts him above Jiraiya.

@@Frstypwngaming what chapter are you referring to?

If the toads come out, Kisame fuses with samehada and traps them all in the big bubble. Jiraiya just doesn’t have an answer for Kisame’s overall power

@@sageofthickcalves what are talking about bro;frogs under water ,oil, two of the most powerful summons ever which have wind and water style jutsu I'm sure they can manipulate 💧. Also jiraya has earth style, he just needs to get to the ground if he's not already there use a earth dome or just go underground to escape.Jiraya has so many...many...many ways to escape the water sphere

Listen Tyler, don’t come to these holy grounds with that blasphemy 🤣

OM Obito would warp him away into Kamui before he could react. The other ones you made arguments for are arguable to some degree, but not Obito

@@sageofthickcalves Same Obito who Konan reacted to !? Same Konan who got Blitzed by Base Jiraiya !? Sage mode has extreme senses. Jiraiya is not getting Blitzed by someone who Danzo's Subordinates can react to. Also , Ma and Pa can use that time to Attack Obito because he have to materialise in order to Warp. Not to mention Jiraiya can effortlessly Escape from Kamui Dimension Via reverse Summon and is immune to Genjutsu. Seriously , Kisame is more of debate than OM Obito 🤷🏻

@@SalmanulFarisi101 Obito outright admits he took Konan too lightly and then blitzed her the moment he got serious. Using Konan ≈ Obito scaling is super disingenuous. Literally all Obito has to do is touch Jiraiya and it’s over.

@@sageofthickcalves let me say this first. I think you are not like Other youtubers who are extremely biased and Ignore to see the obvious narrative and Feats. I think you can open your eyes IF something is proven otherwise. Obito LITERALLY never Blitzed Konan. Obito at the start of the figh Legit says he thinks Konan has a plan and Let her Come. He didn't take her lightly , He was just too damn sure that he was Stronger which got demolished later. Obito backstabbed when Konan was out of Chakra. When he came back using izanagi. That's not Blitzing. That's just what Asura path did against Jiraiya. Those things are not called Blitzing. I never said Obito ~ Konan. I just said Obito is not THAT fast as you try to make him out to be. Especially not faster than a Already Kage lvl Shinobi using Sage mode. All Human path had to do was touch Jiraiya which he couldn't. What make you think Obito can ? And i already said Pulling him into Kamui dimension won't stop Jiraiya. So No , OM Obito definitely ain't beating Jiraiya

@@SalmanulFarisi101 Obito says he took her too lightly on page 14: www.mangapill.com/chapters/3070-10509000/naruto-digital-colored-comics-chapter-509 Page 14 Konan is attempting to take him down with her, page 15 he straight up perception blitzes her: www.mangapill.com/chapters/3070-10510000/naruto-digital-colored-comics-chapter-510 You could also make an argument he blitzes her on page 6 here, but that could also be argued for Konan allowing it to happen: www.mangapill.com/chapters/3070-10509000/naruto-digital-colored-comics-chapter-509 Either way, there’s at least one concrete blitz and one possible blitz, with the outright admission that Obito took her lightly. So again, scaling Obito to Konan is disingenuous. This is especially apparent when you consider that Obito reacts to V1 Ay, who’s KCM1 Naruto level in terms of speed: www.mangapill.com/chapters/3070-10467000/naruto-digital-colored-comics-chapter-467 I love Jiraiya, but he’s simply too slow to react to the Kamui warping (Minato states without his FTG he would’ve been done for), and he has no way to tag Obito without Frog Song, which takes set up time.

How?

Jiraiya 100% beat Konan. Orochimaru and Jiraiya are relative in base, but the hydra is stated to be the strongest and largest of all the snakes. It also has crazy regeneration, so even if ma and pa dice it up it’ll just heal. Jiraiya genuinely doesn’t have anything that can put Orochimaru down in that state.

He scales solidly above sannin even in base. He fought 7th gate guy without samehada and 7th gate guy would one shot every sannin except byakugo tsunade of course. Fused kisame would no diff every sannin imo.

@@aleclegault5729 It'd be a rough match up vs War Arc Tsunade since she was able to decently tank being stabbed by Madaras susano'o clone but kinda hard to say she'd be able to tag him, but Oro and Jiraiya lose to base Kisame without his sword

@@Frstypwngaming ofc tsunade has the raw power necessary to kill anyone who scales above her with a solid hit but like you said, I don’t see her tagging kisame, he should scale easily above her in speed and if she’s trapped in the bubble she’s dead . But I agree that she’s the strongest sannin with the seal and has the best shot against kisame.

This is super solid 🔥 Where do you have Orochimaru?

Also jiraiya frog songs and Destroys 🦧🦧🦧🦧🦧🐏🐬🐖🐪🦌🐊🦍🐐🐏🐊🐈🦣

Oh dang dude I didn’t even think about that 🤦🏻‍♂️

@@sageofthickcalves yes I know, I’m just gorilla grod levels of Goated

Well I have both Itachi and Kisame winning in this video. Also, the reason I said 4/10 difficulty for Itachi is because he’d have to use his MS and his MS abilities are straining on him.

I agree, I just don’t think the fight gets that far

He doesn’t seem to have the sensory ability given to a perfect sage, since the Ashura path was able to sneak up on him

oh yeah but that might be because he was exhausted @@sageofthickcalves

@@yl1614 I don’t think he was really showing signs of fatigue at that point. Plus, because of Ma and Pa, he had a continuous flow of sage energy flowing into him so he shouldn’t be getting fatigued at that point

Oh ok that makes sense@@sageofthickcalves