Avoid This Saturation Mistake

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4 ай бұрын

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@tnbeats5154 4 ай бұрын

The three-stage mixing tactic you gave at the end was pure gold, thank you!

@axelezequiel97 4 ай бұрын

how is? can you resume ?

@twitchyboneselectronica2375 4 ай бұрын

Using the softer 6db/octave slope on the band cutoffs also helps.

@TROYVIXIOUS 4 ай бұрын

tuning saturators is crazy

@mikelo303 4 ай бұрын

That was very intyeresting. Thank you!

@cosignsessions3141 4 ай бұрын

Wavesfactory Spectre handles emphasis/de-emphasis within the plugin.

@baileys6346 4 ай бұрын

Spectre is a fantastic parallel multi-band Saturator

@negvey 4 ай бұрын

Glad you found this and pointed it out, thanks

@KristohanongBisdakMusic 4 ай бұрын

Very informative. Thanks for this!

@joelarmendariz8876 4 ай бұрын

Definitely a home run technique with this, the clarity at the end with the emphasis/de-emaphasis technique is great... great insight and video!!!

@lawinter1949 4 ай бұрын

I have been wanting a sidechain input and filter on a saturation plugin for a long time. I can’t believe this doesn’t exist yet.

@ENDOFFEB 4 ай бұрын

Literally anytime I do any sort of frequency specific saturation I am picking individual pieces of consonants n letters within a phrase to accentuate n shine/crunch/drive etc. depending on what saturation characteristic i am trying to emphasize . Not necessarily transients because those vary but very specific points of words . i.e., the initial formation of the letter 'R' in the word 'rolling' or the backside of the letter f in 'muhfuckin'

@dyonissiszoes3747 4 ай бұрын

Wow! Thanks 🙏

@joshy909 4 ай бұрын

That's going to help my music no end. And full credit for your honesty.

@Yohmss 4 ай бұрын

thank you very much, it's so true, and you just gave me the key, it's so obvious, why didn't I think of it sooner? Thank you

@user-lg3kg5vf8i 4 ай бұрын

Spectra manual explained this also.. In which it uses the emphasis/ de-emphasis route ...

@DylanBretzJr 4 ай бұрын

Literally had my palm to my face at one point watching this… thanks for figuring this one out for us!

@Griuofficial 4 ай бұрын

Thanks for the video , I’ve never thought about this

@JamesJones-th3ml 4 ай бұрын

This might explain some things for me too. I always hated how my voice sounds dry through a Digital DAW and a regular live PA. I never knew about Saturation until the last couple years. When I first added Saturn to my vocals, I got lucky apparently and it really sounded like my tone in vocals went up a few notches like everything everyway I was singing sounded like it was SUPPOSED TO! HAHAHA But the next few times I tried it, it never sounded the same. Good but it never gave me that wow effect. I used the multiband in a different spot. It was the highs. I wonder if I just put the split in the wrong spot! I'll look into that. Thanks for the info!

@DorkAhoy 4 ай бұрын

Fantastic info!

@shawnsteven1869 4 ай бұрын

mannnnn at some point we have to get our own sound 😂 if there are no rules.. thank you for all the tips over the year

@maciejkoslinski2923 4 ай бұрын

neverf thought of that. glad to have come by this video much love

@1masterfader 4 ай бұрын

I wonder if you can use Torgue to shift certain harmonics to where you want them? This is deep. I can hear the results

@sparkplugrecs.official 4 ай бұрын

it would be amazing to see a "fundamental" mode alongside the linear mode or other modes that had these ideas incorporated into the function of where the bands "set" internally for uses like this. maybe an even/odd option or other types of harmonic modes on top of having the bands react to one fundamental across the plugin...

@rafalvarezsevilla 2 ай бұрын

the emphasiz de emphasiz trick is an awesome idea!!

@TheKhoirentakBrothers 4 ай бұрын

Regard saturation i guess it works best with vocal and drums only i guess it doesnt go that well with instrument tracks tho but distortion works on bass.

@cazalorganism7020 4 ай бұрын

Mind boggling realization you had. How exactly did you find this out?

@KaraokePro0001 4 ай бұрын

Its means that the resonance are those notes wich are not in our Scale key I am right????

@lewchootrain 4 ай бұрын

Do you know what the signal looks like when you use something like Little Radiator from Soundtoys?

@marianlech3378 4 ай бұрын

So when i distort the whole mix and everything starts to scream, youre telling me its just the harmonics of the bass and the thump of the kick, really?

@micromando4669 4 ай бұрын

Would it make sense to saturate in parallel and insert an autotuning device?

@xrabbz2010 4 ай бұрын

Something I never really thought about, makes a lot of sense though!

@alessandrogarofalo8699 4 ай бұрын

Ciao SA, I think saturation generates harmonics over the full audio spectrum and not just from the lowest foundamental

@whyyoumakethissohard 4 ай бұрын

Fantastic

@reisaki18 4 ай бұрын

When using emphasis de-emphasis technique, it is better to input it in parallel.

@mr369beats 4 ай бұрын

Can I record through the preamp plugin.?

@LBJedi 4 ай бұрын

Could you also put saturators in series? Like a full spectrum followed by one only saturating everything above a particular note.

@mayoshanebeats 22 күн бұрын

I believe in that saying just don't forget about true peaks

@moleex5759 4 ай бұрын

I realised it wasn't saturating the previous band, but i assumed they stacked from left to right. it all makes more sense now.

@amp4105 4 ай бұрын

Is there a saturation plugin that works with eq bands like soothe?

@rawpoweraudio 4 ай бұрын

Wavesfactory Spectre. And it’s really good

@SoundPeaks 4 ай бұрын

I like to think about saturators as something that makes a square wave of a sine wave.

@iamcookbook 4 ай бұрын

would be interesting to use Scaler EQ before Saturn to bring up frequencies that are in key and then use Saturn to generate harmonics based on those frequencies

@ManjyMusic 4 ай бұрын

still waiting for a video about sends.. reverbs..delay.. to have very clean smooth spaces =)

@shaferproducergod 4 ай бұрын

So what I gather from this if instead of inserting this directly on the signal, instead send it to a bus and generate harmonica on the whole signal. Then use post eq to eq the harmonics into just the ranges you want the harmonics to exist. Blend this bus in with the original dry signal and you will have much more musical saturation (if that is what you are looking for)

@Reggi_Sample 4 ай бұрын

In essence, use multiband saturators to saturate one band at a time eg the mids but not the highs and lows. Otherwise use full bandwidth

@anything4280 4 ай бұрын

Implying that this matters is more than a stretch. And I don't think a saturator generates harmonics just from the fundamental frequency. I don't think saturators can even tell what the "fundamental" note of a given sound is. And I have never in my life managed to make a mix or (any sound really) sound out of tune by using a multiband saturator.

@kidsonicofficial 4 ай бұрын

This is really interesting.

@KebabTM 3 ай бұрын

The easier solution to this is use a separate saturator instance for each band so the next saturator sees the fundamentals from the previous one.

@XRaym 4 ай бұрын

Another solution: parallel processing, putting the dufferent saturations on fullbands, and using frequency splitting and joining after. EDIT: just tested, it sounds quite different in fact. Not sure it is in a expcted ways, the sounds is more compressed (the lower frequencies takes lots of space with saturation)

@phantom_him 4 ай бұрын

That's smart, but just checking: you mean one EQ instance, then the Saturn, then afterward another EQ with the opposite curve? Right? So an EQ either side of the saturator, right?

@alphaoscillator Ай бұрын

we want soothe2 but with a scale menu, so the in-tune freqs wont be supressed !11!

@TollsterMensch 6 күн бұрын

I don't use Saturn but saturation in general doesn't work the way you explain it in the video at all

@Luckyrrul 4 ай бұрын

Yes

@7traccs159 4 ай бұрын

The only thing you should know is that if it sounds good, do it

@ahmedabduallah3603 4 ай бұрын

How did you discoverd this ?

@djcrote76 4 ай бұрын

but less intermodulation distortion.

@ewr34certxwertwer 4 ай бұрын

it is always best to avoid multiband processing on the master bus

@elijahlucian 3 ай бұрын

What did this mistake cost you?

@TCmadethis 27 күн бұрын

So u gotta tune my saturators now 😢

@jobulog4545 4 ай бұрын

Dig that tune you’re using

@vycashh 4 ай бұрын

I never liked the saturn. Now I know why.

@josepe217 4 ай бұрын

Interesting for a single instrument, but for a whole mix I don’t know man. There are happening so many things at the same time that is very difficult to Saturn just saturate one pick from the spectrum. I would say that saturation on mastering stage is a decision purely esthetic, you know.. is about how sounds and feel.

@You-ud2fp 4 ай бұрын

Just add scaler eq after sauration, you're welcome guys

@alexmouthon 4 ай бұрын

Damnnnn amazing

@viktorlarzev3528 4 ай бұрын

well that actually means a band saturation on master bus have nothing to do there! also with these "trick" with pool up and cut again, cause you don't want to add ew only for treagering s saturator. How it always was, good sounding track is made in mixing area!

@larsthomasdenstad9082 4 ай бұрын

This is indeed interesting and not at all how I thought it worked. I personally use Spectre by Wavesfactory more than I use Saturn and I am curious if has the same issue. It makes sense that these problems occur if the multiband saturator creates a frequency window into the signal before doing saturation. However, saturating the whole signal first and then applying the windowing to the saturated signal would fix this issue, right? And my gut feeling is that that is what Spectre does, but I might be talking out of the wrong end here. Anyway, thanks a lot of the information.

@anything4280 4 ай бұрын

"not at all how I thought it worked" - And you were right. A saturator does not distinguish between fundamental and non fundamental frequencies. That's not how a saturator works.

@larsthomasdenstad9082 4 ай бұрын

@@anything4280 I appreciate the response, are you saying the whole original video is wrong? Or did I say something stupid again?

@anything4280 4 ай бұрын

@@larsthomasdenstad9082 Yup the video is wrong. What matters is which frequencies are the most dominant (in terms of amplitude). Whichever they are would be more emphasized by the saturation plugin. This is a pretty common technique that's used in guitar amps (which are essentially saturators). E.g if you boost around 200hz before a guitar amp, the resulting tone is going to be flabby and loose. If you cut around 200, it's going to be tight and percussive, etc. A saturation plugin (or a hardware unit) by itself does not and cannot distinguish between fundamental and non-fundamental frequencies. And I don't know any mixer who "tunes" saturation/distortion plugins. If your mixes sound shit, this is probably the last place you would look at.

@KYTHERAOfficial 4 ай бұрын

Spectre!

@genesisnkaidence8519 4 ай бұрын

What initially thinking was ? How’d you not know that 😂..

@narantmuzik 4 ай бұрын

🤨🤔🤯

@user-hm2ub3ve1y 4 ай бұрын

omg

@Chamber_xo 4 ай бұрын

Ha I thought this also

@shinyisshiny7780 4 ай бұрын

lmao....

@mineraljunction 4 ай бұрын

lmao what

@user-xm6sd4iz7f 2 ай бұрын

Saturation is great, but I wouldn't listen to the music used in the video anyway, as it's already so loud that it sounds distorted. It's very clearly audible on the keyboards. Why is it that you sound engineers talk about sound clarity, yet you don't care about very loud distortion that is audible even on consumer devices? What's the purpose of this, to get a couple LUFS? But my ears hurt. You are the reason why many people find modern music hard to listen to.