Yes, but it only works in German. The treatment of the different voices must be the accord. For solo it can be done in the human voice and the orchester to achieve the tri-accord. That is why concert performance of Wagner NEEDS the Orchester. A piano recital will inevitably be off-key.

Wagner,the greatest genius. We are still trying to comprehend.

My Drama teacher in high school, Vancouver, was chorus master for the VOA; that was in the 60s. I remember when he did this opera. Although Wagner was a horrrible, arrogant, IGNORANT (motifs had been used in art for at least three thousand years; he didn't invent them), little, little , little man, this is superb music (for Wagner, who wasn't a scratch on his hero, Beethoven). Had he lived for Nuremburg, he probably would have been hanged for inspiring nazism. He was a PIG (as his great-grandson, whose lecture I attended in Toronto, agrees). But thank you for your input, from the state once ruled by the Klan, HERR Schmid.

But in decibel Verdi is actually louder!

cojones

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@once a musician German people have nothing to feel ashamed about. They have taught the world a great deal.

@once a musician isn't Wagner and Bach just as "ancestral" and "collective" as the German atrocity of WWII? A brief glance at how Wagner was utilized in the Nazi rhetoric would show that being proud of the former would lead to guilt for the latter.

@@viskovandermerwe3947 Aesthetic greatness does not equate with ethical responsibility. Confusing those two leads to all sorts of pitfalls, including mass production of corpses in the name of nonexistent greatness. I've no doubt that Eichmann himself thought his actions to be a 'great deal' until the very end. Don't be delusional.

@@hosung6936 Germans can be proud of their history, their culture and their language. Wagner is the one of the greatest Germans. That's all. Don't be so hater of Germany.

By far the best thing he wrote, sadly the briefest.

Oh yes!!!!!!!!

@@rogerpropes7129nahh not the best by far

Yes, if You consider the German language, which probably in the subjunctive case has overtones a fifth above the base. That is why Wagner is close to intranslatable to English (or Italian - for that matter - especially Italian that has "clean" overtones an octave higher). English is so poor in tonality.

Thomas Borgsmidt very interesting comment.

Twain was actually quoting Edgar Wilson "Bill" Nye. - "and it took me some time to get myself educated up to the point where I could enjoy Wagner. I am satisfied if I get it in the proper doses but I do feel about it a good deal as Bill Nye said. He said he had heard that Wagner’s music was better than it sounds." - Mark Twain 1902

Yes I agree in terms of the caidence of the languages referenced. However in practical terms as far as what Samuel Clements had access to, one would have to raise the question of what actual performances he was able to hear back in his time, since there were no electronic reproductions. Of course if he was ever present in the audience of the Metropolitan Opera, he would have heard the worlds top most quality operatic presentations. We should be very proud of our Met because even in Mark Twain's day, the Met was considered an equal rival of anyting in Europe. In the current day language cadences, the UK's version of English has gotten so contorted that it is very difficult to sing UK English. That is the reason most British recording artists end up singing the American version of the English language.

@@allenjenkins7947 Just now seeing this, I didn't know. But wasn't Bill Nye the Science Guy?

Richard Wagner, der Unsterbliche, will uns mit seiner Musik wachrütteln, damit wir oft die himmlischen Gefilde aufsuchen, um zu erkennen, dass wir göttliche Wesen sind. Die Musik von Beethoven, Bach und anderer Komponisten bewirkt dasselbe......

So I'm not the only one who saw a small resemblance to Wagner in Arthur Sullivan's music? Perhaps Sullivan was inspired by Wagner.

Off topic. I have a German version set of CDs Pirates of Penzance. Piraten.

Wagner inspired many and certainly Gilbert and Sullivan.

Yes ... can sense similarities ( especally the violin section conjunction with the men's chorus ) with Pinafore. Sullivan was also influenced by the great Schubert.

Sullivan was parodying it.

BenjaminSch53 Das music??? Oder die Musik........

All Wagner is good to see and hear in the theater. I only have Rienzi to experience live.

@Oriental Jones I wrote that 7 years ago and can't believe that it's even me writing. I don't hold that view now.

C'était le plus talentueux !

I thought I was the only one who saw any resemblance to Wagner in Arthur Sullivan's music. Interesting!

I will come to Amsterdam just to see this. PM me the name of the coffeeshop. I've been wanting another excuse to come to Amsterdam again. Greetings from Vienna Austria :)

@@pbrod4 same issue, same solution: let's go back to dam!

I just Saw this majestic piece performed in the Wien Volksoper 2 days ago. I was brought to tears.

Open the uploader's comment?

It's one of the old Vienna State Opera production recordings

"flying dutchman" unknown artist

Iwan aiwasowski the sea Storm

Seriously? It's from the Pirates of the Caribbean franchise

It is. But go with someone who is a Wagnerian.

@@adfontesaquarum I don't think that's necessary. Flying Dutchman is very accessible.

Rob Russian painter, iwan aiwasowski

Both!

Pilgrim's chorus

Why not both?

Va pensiero of course, unless we want to play intellectuals

This, always!

Johnny Yen, I prefer wine because THC dulls my senses in an unproductive way, the few times I have done it. Wine, on the other hand, does not seem to have the same effect on my brain.

Robbi496 thanks for the comment...Wagner was notoriously racist and anti Semite giving inspiration to crazy people... mentioning this is not about respect, is a fact!

he was only calling a "spade" a "spade"

Il fatto che fosse antisemita lo rende meno GRANDE? Io dico di no!! Grande compositore

Respect for who? The notorious antisemite? He made great music, but I'm not going to respect him after what he wrote, and what he still represents to a lot of people.

that makes him even better

+Violetta Valery How many people remember Wagner as a person? Or do you mean they remember reading it somewhere? I don;t see any anti-semitic themes in his operas.. So yeah, why mention it?

It is commonly argued that negative characters in Wagner' s librettos (Mime in the "Ring", also the figure ?Beckmesser? in the "Meistersinger") are modelled after Jewish stereotypes (these sterotypes in fact often contain nearly any negative trait that could be thought of a human, in fact, in conspiracy theories etc nowadays negative figures in history are always claimed to be Jewish and vice versa - often with no evidence about the origins). Unfortunately, it seems that racist and anti-Jewish sentiments were mainstream views in the 19. and parts of the 20. century. Wagner, of course, held them, and in his essay about the Jews in the music, he claims that they are inferior, cherry picking and subjectively interpreting the capabilities of composers like Mendelssohn.

SI WAGNER AVAIT ÉTÉ SI ANTI -SÉMITE QUE CELA ARAIT-IL CONFIÉ LA CRÉATION DE « PARSIFAL » à HERMANN LÉVY ??? ! ! !

@@30290Hagen vous avez raison !la musique est universelle et sans opinion !