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Yong out

. Right back at you

that’s what i’m saying fr

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Yup. I have no sympathy.

Aint trash unlike all you gliaters

@@chestercharlie6750shut yo “Oh nobody likes video games anymore” head ass up

​@@JackFoxtrotEDMLet's stop pretending that devs have zero input into the direction of a game. So yeah, they are partly to blame. The direction of this series was horrendous.

@@JackFoxtrotEDM You never see anyone ever come forward in these scenarios and hold themselves accountable, all they ever do is pass the buck. They can all share the blame.

And there are people thinking it's a good Idea to add this garbage to Ps Plus...

"Am I so out of touch? No, it's the gamers who are wrong."

@@Serahpin Embracer better generalised a whole company again 😂

They'll double down

🎯🎯🎯

As a future developer, I hope I'll be a director of the remake of original Saint Row. I hope so

I remember that Killbane quote. I really hate to admit that he was right.

The game's legacy has already ended when the story "concluded" with Saints Row IV and Gat Outta Hell. It ended on a wacky high note. Just wished they went and made something else of a similar vein but not "Saints Row" so it would've not had an expectation put on it amongst other things.

@@jmagic1986Yes, it’s definitely dead, but maybe not forever, resurrection is always a possibility, even for franchises that fizzled out in some of the most pathetic fashion. The revival of Dead Space with the release of the Dead Space Remake in January is a perfect example, THE perfect example, there’s always hope, even if it takes an entire decade or so like Dead Space did, only around 1 month short of 10 year in between the release of Dead Space 3 and the remake. Someday in 2032 or something, Gameranx might make a Friday weekly video in which they announce another reboot of Saints Row, with this reboot much better and selling far better as a result, thus actually properly rebooting the beloved stupidity simulator we all once adored with our friends.

@@bookofrhymes225 No worries because I'm on part of indie side

All they had to do was follow the formula of the original Saints Row games. All they had to do was follow the damn train, CJ.

Probably gonna be one of the most infamous fuck around and find out in gaming industy

If only that would happen to COD

To unemployment. The lowest player officially has a higher standard than them now. 😂

And community manager called fans terrorist. Not making that one up it actually happen

​@@Skateandcreate9CoD has a community of addicts, no matter what they do they won't fall for the same reason drugs will be always popular.

I don’t think it’s a coincidence that the “don’t like it, don’t buy it” approach that is appearing with so many failing games is coinciding with the embarrassing “millennial writing” trend that has taken root recently, which is also present in Saints Row. The same self-infatuated condescending attitude that plagues the writing of these games has also passed into the marketing for it as well. The amount of ego here is unreal.

They literally ended the 4th with a time machine. That literally wrote itself a soft reboot going back to roots. Like the boss could've been like naw we're goofy now, we lost our way, imma use the time machine to go back to when we lost of way and make sure don't stray again

They also called us fans of the original trilogy terrorists... What a nice approach to pr

@@d00gz_ I mean Fromsoft has been designing their games with that "don't like it, don't buy it" approach for a long time, and look where they are now. The games that failed are just poorly made, plain and simple. If a dev team knew what they are doing they get to do whatever they want without ever listening to the fans.

You are delusional. From soft just makes game. They dont mock you, dont insult. Here is a game, play it. You want easier difficulty? Here lvlups and magic. And summons, and coop so you can go aft and let the game win itself. Filthy casuals and media boost their ego by pretending that souls games are hard. as simple as that. In reality even assasins creed or witcher 3 are harder than souls. @@None38389

Agreed. Because I sure as hell don't. And I hope to see more of it in fact.

They have been around a long time and made a lot better games then just saints row, It's genuinely sad to see a company fall so far. They are a example of what happens when you shun your own fans

@diomedes7971 I prefer red faction out of their games then any other personally, but yeah i know the team has been shook up quite a few times these years but I think you would be surprised how many actually have been there all this time, people change.

Let me just correct you real quick. It's hard to feel bad for the modern Volition, the ones that made the new Saints Row and mocked their fans, but it was a 30 year old company and they weren't always like this. They made amazing games back then so it kinda sucks to see them go out of business because the new teams were idiots.

Because it wasn’t them it was deep silver masquerading as them and ruining they’re games like how the reboot was supposed to be about games but deep silver hated the idea they refused to let them do it and follow they’re instructions

The new people heading volition who probably never touched the other games probably to blame

yep 100% agree.

Honestly, the series ended with 4. It wasn't a masterpiece or anything, but it completed the..."evolution" of the franchise from a GTA-wannabe to a satire of videogames as a whole.

When tf did they become "hostile to their playerbase"?

They’ve always been mid games. The first one was great. 😊

@@Jormyyy They subjected us to this game. That's hostile enough for me.

Idol ninja is a G god bless

Wow… Kinda wish I didn’t learn about this, because that *stings.* A fan so dedicated to their modding work that the studio brought them on to make it official, only for the fan to die and have the studio fall not long after. Hopefully a dev that worked on the port releases whatever they had to the public so that modders can once again possibly finish the work.

Such a sad story ending. Hopefully something comes out somehow.

Volition killed that years ago. It's MORE likely kelu well see it now then when volition was around.

​@@Nick-ue7iwNo, it was confirmed that Volition started work on it after finishing the last dlc for the reboot. Now that Volition is gone Deep Silver the publisher that held on to the property rights to Saints Row is getting cold feet about making the patch because it won't make money.

Echoes EA's "If you don't like it, don't buy it"

I guess there are not many "modern audience" out there lol

@@Half-Vampire Nope. They just whine, shit, screech, and guilt trip the loudest.

even if the story did change, the game's horribly buggy state and the stale gameplay will kill it eventually.

@@Half-Vampire yep, they scream asking products to be changed, but they don't actually consume them haha it's a fun thing to see in such a disgrace wasteland

Yep. Just like that Battlefield V exec who mocked the criticisms and was later fired when people didn't buy the game. It's wild people can be so arrogant to potential consumers.

All the C-Suite assholes and team leads who made the calls on the Saints Row reboot are going to protect each other and secure future decision making jobs in the industry.

The devs who worked there weren't to blame actually, it's the corporate leadership making bad / cynical decisions and handling communication. Embracer just punished hundreds of hard working developers, probably while rewarding the people who were really to blame for the game's outcome.

Yo they should've never released it in the first place. Not in it's current form. Seems like there was no quality control testing at all. The publisher should not have approved it and given it the go ahead either.

The big problem in the industry is that video games are being run by business people who have no clue and understanding about video-game entertainment. They probably have never played a video game in their lives. They're in the wrong business.

And they got a massive budget to do it. This one isn’t on the publisher.

@@mx2000well it is on the publisher they should’ve fired them instead of giving them 100 million dollars

@@mx2000lots of money doesn’t mean timelines weren’t tight, producers use two currencies

@@JeronimoStilton14 Even if it had ZERO bugs on release the game would have done just as bad. Even if the Publisher had pushed back the release another year or two as that doesn't change the fact the developers weren't listening to anyone but themselves. The game is objectively bad and the developers didn't listen to criticism. See KibethSE's quote. They really treated feedback like that.

Damn straight.

this really need the CS "terrorist win" sound.

@@KoeSeer followed by the bomb exploding sound cause none of the volition staff diffused the situation.

Oxbxdhdhdhienxbfjd awesome reference

@@varnix1006 Oh yes! 🤣

Would like but it's at 69 Edit: nevermind 😅

This is the best take. I hope for a future where quality and fan management get priority over ESG again.

Studios are hopefully noticing that people are refusing to play their terrible quality games anymore

I doubt it, the main reason why they can have that bloated of a budget is due to the ESG score.

It won't. If a CEO can win a 20x bonus he will take the risk.

So who's going to take care of saints row now?

The conversion rate of "Internet likes" to actual money is just very bad as of lately.

Exactly. Where is this "modern audience" that everyone keeps raving about?

They probably pirate it anyway

We will (Never) get Harvey & Edna 3

I liked Blackguards and Night of the Rabbit. I dlreally do think it's a shame.

It’ll never happen to gaming companies like Larian. They listen to their fans too much that no matter if the game isn’t an ace like Baldurs Gate, real gaming fans will support them regardless.

Same goes to Fromsoft too, which is the only legendary game studios left after the legacy of Sakurai's Sora Ltd (studio/developer of both Kirby and Sumer Smash Bros)

@@ewjiml Larian currently seems to have vision. They make games inside that vision. Some might not fully agree with it (like certain level of wackiness), but they keep true to it and make good enough products. And the vision is not oppose to majority of customers. Which means yeah some people don't like it, but you cannot ever please everyone on Internet.

Actually this just shows how important it is not to sell your studio to pieces of shit like embracer group, or to do business deals with Saudi Arabia.

Not really about delivering a product they can be proud of but setting aside their arrogance and listening to fans when they say "sounds good, but this specific thing (or in this case, nearly the entire thing) is dogshit"

A prime example of F.A.F.O.

​​@jacksmith6015The business of ripping people off with Microtransactions only works with games popular amongst casuals such as GTA, COD, and FIFA etc. Still remember when Sony tried to make Gran Turismo 7 a grind fest with low payouts and extremely long grinding in order to make people opt for Microtransactions and it became the most review bombed game on metacritic in history as there are barely enough casuals who play GT who'll tolerate that nonsense. Long time GT fans took a stand against Sony that day and Polyphony were forced to fix the payouts. Just one example.

​@jacksmith6015 ea have a base of morons hooked into their sports franchises. Steam reviews may be bad but the biggest customer base for these piles of shit are consolers.

Definitely those geniuses from Deep Silver and Embracer 😂

Can you explain why? I'm new to gaming. Are those companies badly managed?

Yeah! No one! What a shocker!

@@visitante-pc5zc They totally gave a middle finger to fans and made a diferent game to pander to a people that basically does not play games, and the game is full of out of touch "Hello fellow kids!" energy

​@@visitante-pc5zc reasons why is gaming company he explaining in video few reasons. 1: Golem, how badly was built and how much physics crashed so hard, even thou studio made apology but wasnt enough save them so shut down. 2: Forsaken, very bad writing, main character is bland as plywood wasnt even funny so they got shutdown. 3: The "New" Saints Row, Saints Row was the most highly respected game series was parody of GTA which you can get all 5 of saints row games were Volitions best series, till they made this Saints Row basicly destoryed everything Saints Row it was its identity so tarnished that legacy so now ended with shutdown.

Hopefully the series gets acquired by a studio that actually gives a s**t and does the series right by listening to fans and focuses on making a high quality game.

@@Antares-rt5ub That’s all we can do. All we can do is hope, brother

Volition will be missed, the pr team in charge of saints row will not.

​@@kobra6660Nah, Saints Row 3 was already out by then, and that already had the rot in its core.

Profit

Purple

Buckets of ducats. The "modern" audience they were chasing is such a massive and wealthy one, you see.

Capitalism

They listened to Embracer. They expected to make money. This isn't JUST on Volition here. Embracer knew all along what was happening, they approved of all of it.

It wasn't a lack of understanding. It was a decision not to care about their understanding.

They decided to make a reboot with millenial stereotypes as "humor" which cant blame them for wanting to reboot (given 4 started off with earth getting blown up) but they really should have tried to bring back the old writers, maybe atleast consult one of the old heads that left for the direction they should go. Literally they probably didnt need to even work on graphics, they could have kept the cartoony saints row 3 and 4 style and not tried to lie about it in trailers and just made a "new" game with way more features, maybe improved the customization rather than scaling it down, removed all of the main characters of this reboot and started off with johnny gat talking your character into leading a gang or some shit. hell maybe a saints row 3 remake if they wanted to improve graphics, not really change anything story wise and just polish some mechanics, add more content, not hired whoever they hired to write for the reboot and id buy it.

3d or 2d Kane? 3d Kane with a mixture of Sands of Time trilogy and DnD mechanics would be great

Yeah thats a big lie. They despise their fans.

With things like this going on and yet some game developers still wouldn't listen to the gamers/consumers 🤦‍♀🤦‍♀🤦‍♀ (Like yes we may not be right all the time but when the majority of us are expressing the same concerns on a game, game developers should probably listen and fix it instead of being in denial)

@@taags A very common thing with modern games and TV. Which is wild.

​@@namesii1880unfortunately there's an increasingly smaller base supporting their fans. Rockstar and Take Two are at most 3 years away from just going against their fans, CDPR got a good slap across the face and looks like they came back to fans... Idk if there's any other huge gaming company loyal to the fan base.

@@Andrewbaysura1 Blizzard is another one of those Companies that shits on their fans, it won't be long until people are gonna drop them...

Agreed

Im lost what did they do so bad?

​@@fluffyomega6809made a bad game 🤷‍♂️

@@fluffyomega6809 They got tons of feedback pre-launch that the game was absolutely gonna flop because it was alienating the franchise's fanbase but instead of taking that intoa ccount they actively mocked the fanbase, which lead to them not even giving the game a shot. Basically a repeat of the DmC debaccle.

I'm glad I waited for the reviews.

Dude, if you worked on this sh!te, then I'm pretty sure you already interviewed multiple new jobs before it came out. I doubt anyone had any pride in what they made.

Punished harder? Lmao these idiots did it to themselves by starting a fight with there customers and ultimately that’s why the studio died yaayyyy

Why shouldn't it be? If I'm forking out $100M and you put out a game that doesn't even make $6M why should I keep funding you and paying your employees?

I like it this way. In the past, the super companies could hide their pride and blindness behind trends. Now we finally have a trend that steadily puts them out of their misery.

Thank you. All the talk in this video of "Embracer this" and "Embracer that", and I'm just over here like... Uhh Hello? He caveats it with "I'd like to see if it was an Embracer failing or a Volition failing" and then proceeds to shit over Embracer the whole video. Barely a nod toward any wrong doing by Volition at all. Crazy.

​@@hammerstriker5208Yong tends to lean more to the Progressive Left side of things. So he probably thought unironically that the haters really were just "the chuds". KZfaqrs like YellowFlash called them out tho, unlike Yong.

@diomedes7971 same. And yes, Yong should've been more transparent with the context of Volition's behavior, instead of just being anti corpo, as if Volition did nothing wrong.

You can’t spell Volition without an L

Basically getting idiot left Wing activists to make a game after hi jacking it

It was basically over from the point when the first trailers came out unless they were going to go back to the drawing board rewrite the story, massively delaying the game and risking bigger losses. The miscalculation was the whole concept of the rebooted Saints crew and there wasn’t a lot they could do from there

@@TheJadedJamesit was flawed at inception.

Most companies are also smart enough not to outright insult their entire customer base and then tell them the product isn't for them. Volition is the definition of the meme of the person sticking the stick in the spokes of the bike wheel, flipping over and still being utterly perplexed that their ass is now sitting on the ground with skinned up knees.

Whaaaaaaat? It doesnt? Are you sure? lol

Have the OG developers had anything to say?

Karma's a b****

Ironic

DevS would imply all of them.

@@_Cetarial not in all cases

"Devs" implies multiple, goofy. Devs is plural. You're the only one implying all of them. @@_Cetarial

Not really the game devs but the executives/people making the "due date" calls/limitations. If given the proper time and equipment, skilled/experienced devs can truly create a masterpiece. The ultimate problem is companies wanting to shove out as much content as possible to maximize profits while also undercutting their devs and throwing them under the bus once their unfinished/unpolished games fail and they refuse to take the blame for what disasters they caused.

Yeah not make a fortnite clone

Nothing will change.

Won't be a wake up call until ea files for bankruptcy 😂

Saint's Row isn't even a huge franchise like Call of Duty or GTA, nothing will change.

It’s okay, we don’t 😂

Hopefully Sonic Team gets shut down as well.

🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

Wait a minute... so your telling me... video games only need to appeal to game journalist... and not the people who buy it?

Bro, god dammit that´s really sad, poor guy, they just left him in the dust. Glad the studio got shut down.

Volition: No, follow it on a false hope of success until Death set us apart🤪

What do you mean next time? 😆

@@Verxx-sc2tl yeah true. Lol

Ahem Battlefield2042

But then Kotaku will give you a 3/10! The horror!

Step 5: Profit!

Japanese/indie devas: noticed

Step 6: Smoke crack and reboot the series

It's like pissing off the people responsible for them keeping their jobs with demand is a bad idea.

Companies are finally starting to find out that the consumer is what keeps you in business not trends.

@@kcadventures1454 Not 'Consumer', customer. 'Pay money, consume product, move to more/next product' is what they want people to do, there's more to the market and life than that.

Yea screw them. Either that he's intentionally not bringing that stuff up so stay safe. He was all their own fault with hiring those devs and writers

So yong is being a clown who instead of blaming to correct people who wants to blame some exces and say the devs were great lmao actual crackhead status

the majority of these horrible choices come from the ceo's and shitty top brass not the individual dev's the people at fault probs all got a multimillion dollar paycheck before being let go. the devs who lost there jobs are most certainly not at fault.

​@@limyarplane1991finally someone that actually gets it

@@limyarplane1991 I agree, meant Devs as in the decision makers and not individual staff who probably work hard and have idiots ruin it

​​@@limyarplane1991How do we know that for sure? It doesn't make sense to assume that the developers have zero input in the direction of a game. They take at least some fault. This game is trash through and through.

They wanted Saints Row 2.5, Deep Silver wanted zoomers

So who's going to take care of saints row now

@@thedarkknightman6150 Nobody lol. Maybe in the far FAR future it can come back but besides that, Only saints row content you'll be seeing from now is mods, fangames perhaps, and the previous entries.

oh. ok.@@ultimate8948

That’s…sad

Wait did that seriously happen lmfao no way

@@AConquerorsVendetta It’s in the Special Thanks section at the very end of the credits.

Honestly, was Volition really Volition anymore? 30 years is a long time, and honestly, its just a few hundred people in the skinsuit of what was Volition. Everyone of value and had made that company one of the best had moved on to greener pastures long before Saints Row the New.

@@scrittle And then instead of making another Saints Row game they made Agents of Mayhem because they decided that what people really wanted was a lame hero shooter instead of more Saints Row. Literally they said that they saw more people cosplaying as Chaundi and Johnny Gatt than the Boss and decided that people not cosplaying as the completely customizable character that had no default appearance somehow meant players didn't like them.

@@Macrochenia& then they added no ragdoll physics to deaths , weak easter eggs , no past references, they used epic games models so it looks like Fortnite shoots like agents of mayhem

@@timedraven117this right here. Was probably filled with all these new gen idiots on the left. The devs from the 90s and 2000s were so much better

They were so proud they shut down the studio and are giving it away for free this month on PS+! I don't know how much more you are asking for?

​@@Rekhan4242who's asking for what?

@@Rekhan4242I mean, I’ll take a public apology followed by a public execution.

Yeah well based pfp so I agree

@@JayImahara He's being sarcastic like you did, I'm surprised you didn't even notice. WOOOOOSH.

Yes!!

True, in this case and Bioware they do let them make their own decisions generally and allows them to run their own management to their destruction.

Yes, developers are also at fault

Embracer is nowhere near EA level (very few companies are) EA is just hated for being anti-consumer and insanely greedy. That's the trend so embracer will naturally follow but no one's as bad as EA's iron fist of monteziation.

Yes and no, don't know the exact number (can't be arsed to look them up) but I guess the reboot team had at least 500 developers, from artists to programmers, you can't blame all of them when most of them were just doing their jobs and even when they knew the game was a massive clown show they just didn't had a word in the production. If a movie sucks do you blame the cameraman? The catering assistant? The particle supervisor? No, you don't, you balme producers and directors. Same thing here, the people at the helm are the responsibles.

So who's going to take care of saints row now??

​@@thedarkknightman6150the IP is in the hand of Deep Silver and they are under Embracer Group. So my guess is the IP (saints row) will be put on ice until Deep Silver find a new studio and gets the green light from Embracer Group

​@@thedarkknightman6150iIts done unless somebody buys it if it can be bought. You should buy it😅

​@@thedarkknightman6150depends on whither the ip gets sold or shelved.

lol how many other times has this happened specifically?

​@@thestellareliteFeminist Frequency's studio shut down like a month ago. They never even got their game out after taking people's crowdfunds.

I don't feel joy because innocent folks got fired

@@zelohendricks51 Those "innocent folks" should have spoken up and then left before the ship sunk.

@@zelohendricks51But I do. They got what they deserved, clowns.

gat out of hell already gave them some closure. if the heaven hell shenanigans seems to absurd, then you can pretend saints row 4 ending where they defeat zinyak and take his spaceship+time machine to rule the stars is their definite happy ending.

@@kukuhimanputraraharja8084I was hoping that if they got the ending where they found a new planet they could maybe do something like oh your invading Zinyak planet and there’s multiple rival factions against each other and you have to take it over like the original gang style without super powers. Sure it’ll be futuristic and stuff but at least it’ll kinda go back to gang warfare just with different species

​@@SoraTerumi244 ended with a freaking time machine. We could have had saints in the wild west, saints in the medieval wars/times, etc etc, but instead they chose to reboot 🤦‍♀️

@@SoraTerumi24zinyak's entire zin people already immediately accept the saints as their new ruler though when the saints killed zinyak on live broadcast to the entire galaxy or something. i mean, the saints basically already ruled the entire galaxy and any timelines though with zinyak's super time travelling ship. thats the true closure for the saint's story imo.

Saints Row 3 is the finale to the franchise IMO, anything else after is bullshit.

Source? I'm not saying you're lying but I had never heard about any mandates from Embracer. All I have to go on here is Volition's history before Embracer, which was already bad.

You could also say that Volition was forced to EMBRACE their downfall.

There were no Mandates from Embracer, they did have Embracer's blessing. They actually just let them cook.

From what I heard the whole team was in for it, so all are accountable.

BUT it was developers vison that Developers made and how they Told fans " Haters gonna hate" aka GO f yourselfs we do what we want!

Agreed. What sucks about Saint's Tow is that if it had had a good writer who'd have been able to put a modern spin on the motivations of the characters in a more coherent way it could've been good. Instead it felt too much like they just ran a checklist of whatever they wanted to throw in the game without even seeing if that made a proper, well "ensemble". Hell the Saints were founded in the OG games because the head honcho saw the city torn apart by crime and abandoned by law and wanted to clean all that up and make the city a nice place again. Doing a modern spin of that with the whole "we're young but crushed by debt" spiel would have been perfectly doable but alas...

This is what happens to every company as it gets large enough: levels of management multiply until coherent decision making is virtually impossible.

Not even just profit margins. They give idealogically driven devs too much control to shape and write their products however they want. Lot of these industries hire very similar kind of people that do not resonate with most normal people and audiences.

Thats racist or something.

Because the investors running the show don't want what consumers do

Legitimately one issue recently with focus groups is that they get them from specific areas, like silicon Valley

Focus groups are what caused this horse shit game

Focus groups means spending money on things that aren't cash grab games and MTX. What executive will greenlight that? These corpos are a living embodiment of the "No take, only throw" meme. They only want to reach the result without care of what *should* come before.

Yup IGN is a joke and proves it every year. EDIT: after checking it looks like they gave SR a 7.3 in one review and a 6 in another. Could've sworn they rated it higher

Thats because IGN rating is bought

Gameinformer would make ya think saints row was worth picking up.

IGN = Oxymoron

This is why ign is never to be trusted and anyone who uses them are morons unfortunately.

They checked every box. I bet a lot of them left with a Pikachu face :O because they thought they did good

And that is the problem. Volition was so busy checking all the boxes that they forgot to make a good game. @@saschaberger3212

Truly the moment Volition became Shutdownberg

Agree

Also Daedalic, I liked the Deponia series

I just finished Saints Row 4 again a few weeks ago. This is expected, but still devastating.

The Volition that is, is not the Volition that was…

@@brenolk4642 exactly. In these instances i like to bring up a thought experiment I like to call "the Shit of Theseus". Take an ancient Greek trireme. Over time, the planks rot and break, and you replace them with whiny crybullies, and you gradually reshape the ship into a giant toilet. When all the planks are replaced, and the ship no longer resembles it's original form, is it still the same ship?

I wonder what his reaction will be now that Volition is no more?