The more I see others complain and gossip I find I must turn from the urge to join in or try to explain, because that is the same movement in me.

Me too! Once you get a taste, it changes you! 🫡🙏♥️💯​@Fastinsilence

Yes. Every enlighten being talks about the same.

How do you feel about the renunciation of the body? I’m less familiar with this, and it seems at odds with some of my more new age, body celebrating practices.

@@izdotcarter The body and mind and the many "energies" of emotion (pain, preference, desire, etc) are non-dual (IMO). I have a friend who is fond of the idea that the body is nothing, that we are only "spirits" inhabiting a body which is to him like "dead matter" or "dirt" I suppose. This "dualistic" view does not seem to match up very well with either the Eastern views OR even the Western "materialist" view of reality. Consciousness without life, without the body would be inert, static - kind of an eternal "so what?" Consciousness with movement or energy is life. The body is what gives life to consciousness. Symbolically this is of course the divine (sacred, valuable, meaningful) UNION of Shiva (static consciousness) and Shakti (energy, nature). In or AS "UNION" these two are actually ONE "being." This means they are inseparable and in reality always occur as a single entity. In my experience, I spent many years mainly trying to "get" enlightenment with the intellect alone, as though if a teacher just said the "right thing" in a lecture and I logically connected the dots I would somehow "solve" the equation and arrive at an enlightened state beyond suffering - with my answer of "42." 🤣 In other words, I had a very dualistic view of the world - my mind was everything, the body was...meh🤷‍♂️ This is just what the Buddha was doing when he was trying to physically starv his way to nirvana. But then I happened to hear a Tibetan tantric teacher one day say that.. "Enlightenment exists in the body" and I became curious about what the h that meant? My body was "nothing" to that point, just a "stupid piece of meat" I thought. But as I found out latet, there are Gods, Godesses & Buddhas living within the body! If the whole of reality is "vibrating energy-consciousness" (and I would say it is) then you can view that as a spectrum - with coarse vibrations on one side and fine vibrations on the other. The more "internally" we focus the more subtle and "hidden" reality (experience) becomes, and although it is still reality it has to be discovered not by means of the senses. But this seemingly "external" reality is ALSO part of the spectrum - it ALSO is *reality* but is more obviously and "easily discovered" because it is known thru the coarse senses. Mind (subtle) and body (coarse) are both occurring on the ONE SINGULAR spectrum of experiencing (consciousness) - that we call "reality." If we think of consciousness as something seperate from the body then we make the mistake of denying the body (or if we are a materialist we deny the mind). But reality and truth are WHOLE or "whole-istic." The reality and truth is that the mind and body are inseparable- like Shiva & Shakti. There are many ways to intentionally discover this - such as how the originators of Yoga have passed down. These ways are not so much a "denial of the body" as they are of mastering or maximizing the potential of the body. This is more like the mind of a captain (subtle) controlling the very large mass of a ship (coarse) and not so much a "denying of" the body. Lastly... We should never forget a few points: • We are not a "machine," we are human BEINGS - and beings have or ARE Body - but not "just" Body. • We are not "spirits" inhabiting a sack of meat - although that metaphor may be useful at certain times. • Mind and Body are ONE continuum of BEING, and BEING has many forms. • Sometimes the Body teaches the mind more than the mind teaches the Body. Suggestions to try especially for Westerners: Hatha Yoga Kundalini Yoga Deity Yoga Dance Spontaneous movement (Tantric Dance) Tai Chi Art - all art forms Mantras Pranayama Singing I could go on and on but it's already too much 🤣🙏❤

​@@davidmickles5012Way to take the reply to a simple comment so above and beyond! 😅 But, seriously, thank you for taking the time. I have reread several times and it's packed with wisdom.

Wait until you experience Abba, Jesus and Holy Spirit ❤‍🔥

Just similar to what you've said, this is the KEY of my ordinary mind/ego to unlock a prison sell to freedom. How about that? love lulu x

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Bhagavan! 🤍🧘🌌

Yes.

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