Until you try to upgrade it and spend 15k$ just to run mid 10s lol when the supra just spent 5k$ (if that) to run the same

@tacosg4216 BMW engine cost more to maintain when in the shop. Customers usually leave their cars at the shop when they can't afford high bills. Plus our rates are cheaper than dealership.

@@tacosg4216 or $2.5k with the m2 and auto to run 9’s 🤣.

@BenjaminIsrael10 older ones maybe. The b58 and s58 are one of the absolute strongest and reliable platforms to date. With aftermarket parts, you'll end up spending way more than the supra cost or any b58 platform. So maintenance cost will be marginal compared to what you'll end up spending on the Z just to break into the 10 second mark.

I'll take my G42 M240i xDrive over the lot. Stock, it'll take them all from a dig. Slap on a JB4 and AA DP, and it'll probably take the rolls, too.

Spot on! 😂

Best comment. Could not agree anymore with you.

Those fools that hate on the Supra because of it's powertrain being BMW are missing out on a spectacular car!😂

😂

They hate the supra because they can't afford shit. Just on these comments talking crap driving their ford focus 😆😆😆

yeah lol, the driver in the M2 took him a lot to change the gears

​@@worldisawesome6789 Exactly

That's the price when the owners drive their cars instead of proven journalists. There's always the driver factor, especially with a 6 speed manual.

That’s because he won 😂😂 otherwise you would have trashed him 😂

@@m3awd598 proven journalists? Which ones please? These owners race their cars more often in comparison to these “proven journalists” 😂

🤌🙌👏👏

BMW

Real BMW all day, M2 is the real winner.

I like BMW but I don't like to talk nonsense and compare BMW with this. BMW is in competition with Porsche, not to this...

@@hamzanukic9410 you do realize the Supra is a bmw right? Toyota simply designed the exterior and interior. Heck even the interior has bmw parts

BIG time…. Lmao comon we all know it would have mopped those 2 without a problem! This video was made probably for all Supra fan boys and they had the audacity to throw in a dumb ass behind the wheel in the M2 😂

He was sleeping on the first roll. that was almost painful to watch lol

Nope... The M2 keeps getting heavier and the Supra keeps getting lighter. 0-60 the Supra all day.. the quarter mile should have been a lot closer

@@briansimpson5664 but the M2 should be faster from a roll. It destroyed a 718 Cayman GTS 4.0 in a roll race on throttle house, so I don’t understand why on this channel it can’t even pull past a Supra.

100% needs a drivers mod 😂😂😂

I agree. I have a 2022 m240i. It launches hard as hell. Very quick, especially when modded 😈

Love my 22 tuned m240i but make no mistake the S58 is head and shoulders above the B58 when it comes to basic tunabililty. You can keep the S58 engine completely stock and with nothing more than a flash and downpipe make well over 700 whp. You won’t make 550 with the b58 until you change the turbo.

@Bimmer_Bill that's true. I seen the same M2 you're talking about with the stage 2 tune, +255whp. Sick!

@@tacosg4216 yup!

The m2 has the S58 engine in it, slightly detuned from the m3/m4

I agree. It's definitely outclassed. And definitely not worth the money they want for it

Yeah, I was stoked at first and was on my short list. Now,I feel bad for the Z. I thought these would sell like hotcakes but I’ve not seen hardly any on the road….proly because it gets smashed by every. single. competitor.

Yup, it also has the worst driving dynamics too. Overall an inferior car for the money.

It’s literally $20,000 cheaper than both of these cars and only .5 a second slower on inferior tires, what is disappointing about that? 🤔

@@Slibins was going to say the same thing; at $20k difference I thought the gap would be much much larger

Bmw neefs a driver mod 😂

Also stock Supras make 400whp, around 450bhp. Lighter, it makes more power in real life, and it’s sold with better tires.

​ @JZ Much better Transmission also. I own an auto the ZF is a monster its very quick.

Toyota😂😂😂 if you wanna embarass yourself with those asia crap

Brother, the z has to be the ugliest car released in the last couple of years.... Even tho BMW tried really hard to claim that title with the m2

They are very strong can easily handle 800+whp reliably on a stock block with stock internals!

Not really. You’re limited to just over 500 whp with the b58 until you start changing turbo/fuel. The s58 will make over 700 whp with the stock turbos just a tune and DP. It’s been proven.

@@tacosg4216this is false. The cast pistons in the b58 are suspect when you go north of 600 whp. Plus you aren’t making that power with an aftermarket turbo.

@@Bimmer_Bill Also B58's need a built transmission if pushing anything above 550whp unlike Gx platforms

@Bimmer_Bill it's not false. My friends m340 handles 832 whp all day. Stock block, stock internals.

Black is its best spec for sure

Exactly what I’ve been thinking, that baby blue makes it look like a RC car with the cheap square intakes. The darker colour lets it all blend in together more

Black is a bit more tolerable, but I'm still not a fan of the redesign. The previous design looks way better imo.

@@tizodd6 The previous design was the best design i've ever seen on BMWs. Actually better than most supercars. It's hard to out-do it.

@@tizodd6 i agree 100%. The M2 CS is one of my favorite BMWs ever created

He was absolutely useless.

Typical queer q boys excuses 😢

It's definitely running pure800 - z fans

Yup. And three turbos and two superchargers too! They upgraded the carburettor while they were at it.

Supra is going to be running 3 B58's with spoon engines. And on top of that he just came into Harry's and he ordered 3 T66 turbos, with NOS, and a Motec system exhaust.

Explain how the m2 beat the supra by a bus length and posted a 12.2 on Hagerty drag race? And is faster in every other race on youtube.. carwow m2 did an 11.9

So like 100 people would buy them if this was the sole purpose of the car lol

Lol cope some more, they need Nismo version of this but has to be priced around $56k-60k

vr30 and reliable don't belong in the same sentence

Nissans are not reliable I have a 370z to show 🤣

Idk why u would buy a Z in the first place those cars are ugly af & slow for what you are paying.

Don't leave the driver out of the equation just saying

@@geemanbmw It's the gearing of the Supra that gives it that low-end snap. When there are no shifts happening, the M2 is pulling though, because ultimately it does have more power.

Not just that. The pretty big weight difference gives the supra a head up

But it’s definitely not

@@mogulme6190 can you show me a other 3 L 6 Cyl. Turbo or TT engine with more performance?

@@alengreen589 S58

@@alengreen589 The S58 is better... In every aspect. B58 only has slightly better tuning cause of more aftermarket support. S58 is catching up very fast and is built 100x better.

@@SeeFlow-bo1dl yes and cost only a few $ more

The Z doesn't come with good tires in the first place. But it's not in the same class of cars any ways!

yea and is going to cost triple

Yeeeaaa… you said what I was thinking. Lol. Of course the Supra would still win, but I don’t think the gap would be as huge.

I don't understand why this guy has a channel. He can not drive. I can probably drive manual better than him and I've only touched manual twice in my life. Sam needs to learn how to drive his damn car. He's been in a mustang 5.0 and lost to Z. He's also managed to make a BMW M3 run a 13 second pass, and a Zl1 run a 12.5 second pass. That means that Zl1 is as fast as some people run the mustang, and that the M3 is slower than the mustang 5.0... This guy SUCKS at driving and doesn't deserve his channel. He's clueless about cars.

The gap was so big it wouldn't have made a difference

​@ianbrowning2204 you must be slow.

The m2 should gap the supra by miles… Its a faster car overall…

@@SeeFlow-bo1dl By miles? Lol. I could see either pulling the lead, depending on the driver, but neither is winning by a huge gap

@@tizodd6 The M2 has 100 more hp and a way faster 0-60 and 1/4 mile.

The new m2 is better with the auto. The manual isn't that great.

​@@tacosg4216 M2 Automatic all day if I got one

rather have a nice looking slow car than that hideous looking m2

An M2 is considerably more money than a Supra

@Chris G for sure. Had a friend test drive the M2 with manual, he liked it, but the manual wasn't as good as other manuals he has driven so he is ordering with auto.

that was the collective consensus that day as we checked out the cars, the black paint works really well on the new M2, unlike the baby blue paint offering.

thats no baby blue. I know BMW baby blue, and its not that ugly.. Thats the ugliest blue ever

bsm is the color for that car....auto roasts both those cars regardless of weight

@@rd5140well said 👏

You need to go see the eye doctor

@@rd5140 agreed

The rear looks good, but overall it looks bulky and boxy.

An Oris I believe

@@VeeElJay Could be but i haven't seen any Oris with those Chrono Pushers. Could be a Longines Record or Heritage.

I threw on a invidia catback on my proto spec and it sounds amazing.

@@PikaQPika I had a Stillen CBE and AMS Ldp on my Q50, and it sounded great. However, when my Supra was stock it sounded as good as my modified Q.

@@PikaQPika have you uploaded with your new CBE?

@@NismoSupra Sure just uploaded a vid

@@PikaQPika cool, sounds good. Still have stock down pipes?

It's not a bad car by any means, just overpriced for what it is.

@@Foiiiii1 you are correct I did exaggerate out of disappointment, it’s not a bad car but I just expected a little more, I guess I’ll just have to wait for the Nismo.

😂😂😂😂

Haha 💯 facts!

M2 has only exhaust

That’s the price you pay for uploading on the internet- everyone is a racing driver.

Less torque and also probably less or the same HP if they put them on a dyno since BMW underrates their cars for some reason (I'm guessing to protect the M cars). Also 200lbs.

Driver mod needed more than anything else.

400z is priced higher than the Supra in most markets, car market is insane

Sam is a terrible driver, almost every car he drives loses.

Lmao. The bmw m2 does a 11.9 quarter mile on carwow and beats the supra by a bus length in hagerty race.. This was just a driving skill issue tbh

Manual vs dct?

The z with its Mercedes 9g tranny will do even worst then the Supra with its famous zf8hp the only car that might beat the Supra is the m2 with the zf8hp with more ratio it should be to put its power advantage to good use it might offset the m2 weight disadvantage .

I speculate less drivetrain loss, I could be wrong

Switch drivers? Maybe the owners don’t want their cars to be driven by others? I wouldn’t

It needs tires badly. Other than that it’s fantastic

@@SamCarLegion you can stick whatever tire you want on it and it still won’t be quick. That isn’t the only problem with this car.

@@LearningFast you can spend 30k$$ on it and it will eat that supra and m2 . that's the price difference between them. Btw are you living on a drag race track?

@@avis1978 If you mod it at all it will spin like crazy with anything but drag specific tires and yes I go to the Drag strip twice a month. I certainly wouldn’t want to take that Z to the track. It would be hopeless against other cars that turn a decent 60 foot time.

@@LearningFast so just get an extra set of tires like you said and I'm pretty sure you'll be fine. As a daily sport car the Z is good enough as is. 30k-35k it's a big price difference for 0.5sec 1/4

Supra still wins as it's cheaper to upgrade with aftermarket parts compared to the Z. The Z is way outclassed here

@@tacosg4216 but the Supra is definitely more expensive to buy so you're already spending upfront.

@Artem Nissan z proto specializes cost 52k$ usd. The supra gr cost 53k$ usd and the m2 cost 62k$. Sooo

@@tacosg4216 Proto spec has no upgrade over the cheaper performance spec. Also those prices are USD, here in Canada the gap between Supra 3.0 premium and Z performance is $15,000 lol

@Yasha yes it does. Comes with lsd where the base model Z does not. Thats all I know off hand lol. Thats sucks for you guys

Hence why he did the roll races

@ThatR34Monster roll races will alleviate the need to warm up the tires but will not solve the issue between a more experienced manual driver vs a novice. Thus why I mentioned they need to circulate the drivers.

would never happen….

Agreed

Why?

Yup pathetic driver. M2 should win. Traction control should be set to 2 or 3 for the launches. Supra won’t make over 700 whp with a basic tune and downpipe either no other mods.

Fly to Canada and I’ll hand you the keys. Happy to let you show me how it’s done. When I’m spinning in 3rd on a loose surface to a faster 60ft and had to back off every shift 🤷🏼‍♂️ serious offer, come and get it keyboard warrior. The m2 is slower. Full stop.

@@ndacosta2 How is the m2 slower?

You can spend 10k to make it faster

​​@@SamCarLegion 10k will bring it way fasta 2 sticky tires downpipe tune already bring the z to 11.8 i saw some videos just simple no intake no exhaust uperpipe etc just 2k

@@GODiscomingsoonagain 11.8 is what the Supra and M2 are doing bone stock

But the supra is the much better car out of the box. Lighter, faster, better engine that can make great power. The base Z lacks a lot of the things the supra comes standard with. It’s definitely a much more stripped down car, yeah it’s cheaper but you’ll probably be spending a good amount just to make it perform like the supra.(Keep in mind that the Performance Z starts right under 51k) The supra is faster in the straight & track due to it’s better handling/grip/less weight. The brakes as well as the transmission are also better. Motortrend themselves came to that conclusion as well.

@@dz_gt500 how about I put it like this, you get what you pay for. The Z was destined to be the underdog here due to pricing. This comparison is like putting the Supra against an m4 comp then people dogging the Supra for being slower and “worse” all around. It simply isn’t a “fair” comparison. However, it is useful to see what your money will get you

@@dz_gt500 That’s True, but the Z drives how a car should. You can actually feel the car as if it’s a being. The manual option helps the Supra in that case, but it only helps so much

Pricing is completely irrelevant in this market (US). A base model Z will be around 45-47 and end up being in the low 50s out the door. Nobody wants base models anyway, gotta have it all or nothing.

@@dz_gt500 i don't think that the Supra has 382 hp out of the box

EXCELLENT comment

3.46

@@toddstevens8506 thank you, I forgot the Ms have higher final drive

@@rocavelli20 Final drive is 3.46

@@toddstevens8506 The non-m I6 turbos have always had 3.08 so I was confused

This was a press car - i can’t upgrade tires

If u can find one

Shit is so bad that I forget that the manual Supra is that close to the auto in price. All the ones I’ve seen have been 68+.

Tuned by Toyota 😂😂