Imagine thinking MASH wasn’t massively anti-war 😂

I'm 60. I'm 3 years older than Sam Seder, and 2 years younger than Julia Louis-Dreyfus, so we grew up in the same media environment. And this complaint about cringe, etc, is not new. When I was a kid, after-school programming had lots and lots of "Little Rascals", and Shirley Temple films, etc. I remember the "Step-n-Fetchit" character, and my parents absolute disgust with that depiction of Blackness. Buckwheat and Farina on "Little Rascals" were offensive depictions, and my parents made sure I knew about it. But, where my parents absolutely drew the line and forbade me from watching was "Hogan's Heroes". I confess that as a kid I absolutely loved that show, and my parents not only commented that the depictions of WWII, Nazis, Prison camps...etc was offensive, but that if I was caught watching it, my television would be removed. They considered it a moral failing to view these issues casually. And they were right. Today, many complain that they are forbidden from being funny by an awareness that misanthropic comedy is actually bad for civilization. Those complaints are childish. Such standards don't embargo all aggressive comedy. They only require a bit of responsible social conscience. Learn the difference between depictions like Buckwheat and Farina as suggestive of all male Blackness, and so forth. Understand that Sgt. Schultz could not have existed, and a chummy, comic Third Reich prison camp setting is just offensive. It is excruciating watching mass/dominant culture try to develop a social conscience. Go back and watch an episode of "Bonanza", or "The Green Berets". The depictions of Asians is disgusting.

To the privileged, equality feels like oppression.

There’s a great interview with George Carlin where he talked about Andrew dice clay talking shit about immigrants, blacks and gays. Carlin said all those people laughing at those jokes wouldn’t like Clay for being Jewish. He also said Clay was making fun of the people with no power and the people laughing at his stuff feared a loss of power. Carlin was truly ahead of his time

Am I so out of touch? No. It’s the children who are wrong.

Jerry misses the days when famous 38 year olds could date 17 year olds and no one would object.

"Booing" is also free speech. If you are getting "booed," then you are not funny. If people are not allowed to "boo," then there is no free speech.

As a minority in Hollywood, I can tell you a big part of why people say "You can't get a job in Hollywood when you're a white guy" is because their agent told them that to justify why their agent couldn't get them work. The agents blame diversity and say that it's been a miracle the agent ever got them work in the first place. It's a way for agents to keep from getting fired. The Nerd Rage at the Gamestop guy. I know him. He's a screaming racist blaming minorities for why he can't get work. Nobody evaluates his work as being any good. I think his work is very awful. He still works five times for every one job I get. And he gets greater quality work. He's WGA and TAG. All the time, he's only thrown away his career by screaming about minorities taking his job. If he kept his mouth shut he would have Peter Principled his way through a whole career in animation writing.

How is it that Julia somehow grew up filthy rich yet ended up as an empathetic person, meanwhile Jerry grew up middle class and ended up being a heartless jerk?

"Back in my day, things were the way things were, now they're different, WhAtS tHe dEaL WiTh tHaT?!"

I'm 61 years old and grew up on cowboy movies. Use to love the US Calvery vs the Indian savages. Now that I have a more complete understanding of history I can't stand those movies. They made the true victims into bad guys and John Wayne can kiss my a$$.

People like Dave Chappelle, Ricky Gervais, Bill Maher, Glinner, John Cleese, and Jerry Seinfeld fail to understand that we're not *triggered* or *offended* by outdated material, we're mainly *bored,* *baffled,* and *embarrassed* by it!

I think it must kill Jerry Seinfeld, how smart and funny and intelligent Julia Louis-Dreyfus is. On top of that, she is a fine, fine actor. So she's everything he's not.

"you can't make funny shows anymore because woke" *It's Always Sunny exists*

Elaine, Kramer, and George carried that show

When the king of “observational comedy” can’t even read a room anymore.

If Dick Van Dyke and Mel Brooks can be funny still while theyre almost a century old, Jerry has no excuse. He's just not funny

I knew my GOAT wouldn’t let me down. JLD has 7 Lead Actress Emmys and a Mark Twin prize while Jerry has the Pop Tart movie.

Archie Bunker was very formative for me to realize how ridiculous bigotry was.

I feel even more justified now in my 30-year crush on JLD.

Nice way to say: "anti woke is a shield to hide your mediocrity".

It's not "woke". If we can condense down the paradigm change into a single phrase: you can't punch down anymore. That's it. You can't punch down anymore. It's not cool to make fun of people that are in groups that are persecuted, underserved, or otherwise are having a hard time as it is. Call it woke if you want, but that's really what I've been seeing lately. And it's a good fucking thing.

Is any of this surprising? Seinfeld spent his entire career complaining, it's his shtick and it isn't funny.

He thinks M.A.S.H isn’t woke! Did he not watch it?!?

Seinfeld: No one has laughed at my comedy in 20 years. It’s the audience’s fault that they don’t understand my brilliance.

Bill Maher and Jerry Seinfeld have just aged out of being funny, are unwilling to evolve, and are resentful. They should go yell at clouds...

Freedom of speech does not entitle you to an audience, let alone a paying one.

"Everybody's too woke nowadays... not that there's anything wrong with that."

When I watched Seinfeld, 40% was because of George, 30% was because of Kramer and 30% was because of Elaine. Jerry Seinfeld could be a puppet siting in a corner and I would never notice.

Elaine was always too good for Jerry.

I got discharged from the USAF right around the time Seinfeld started. I had a temp job over the holidays at a popular specialty bakery taking orders and there were a lot of Hollywood actors and other wheeler-dealers ordering cakes for gifts that year. I typically spoke to mostly their "people" but actually talked to JLD a few times on the phone. She was very gracious and funny and I'm not surprised that she's still gracious, smart and measured in her remarks about Seinfeld.

ALL those programs Seinfeld mentioned WERE FOR A LEFT LEANING AUDIENCE! Duh! It just goes to show that just because you’re a successful comedian you can still be unintelligent.

Bill Maher went from trying to be like George Carlin to being like Greg Guttfeld. He literally said he wants blackface to come back.

She’s the best. A thoughtful, nuanced answer that actually takes the question seriously.

The irony of Bill Mahr and Jerry Seinfeld of all people, blaming "woke-ism" for being unable to be funny now. Now? Excuse me sirs, who'd been lying to you that you were ever funny in the first place. Two Hollywood stars turned "comedians", had enough moochers laughing at all their "jokes". Talk about being as funny as a chandelier.

I don’t understand where Seinfeld gets off complaining he can’t be edgy anymore when even at the show’s prime, it was criticized for playing it safe in being “about nothing” by focusing on First World “problems” and avoiding engagement with serious social topics, however comically, in any way.

In many cases, these folks aren’t mad because “the playing field has become leveled”… they’re mad because “the playing field is 15% less skewed towards them, leaving them with only an 83% advantage…”

"Louise" is killing me 😂

Jerry was never funny it was his cast that made him tolerable

How does it even make sense to blame the audience for not laughing at your jokes? Your job as a comedian is to make them laugh. If they aren’t laughing, you’re not doing your job.

Elaine wins... FATALITY

Glad to hear Julia speak out.

When Seinfeld supported the IDF I knew he went off the deep end. I didn't watch the pop tart movie and stopped watching the Seinfeld show immediately.

More like WHINEfeld.

Seinfeld's comedy was never even close to being risque in the first place. This is so dumb.

Jerry: They wouldnt air Seinfeld today! I literally saw a rerun of Seinfeld on TV the other day...

MASH was very progressive

Seinfeld is the best example for an old White has been, who lives in the past. Typical generational conflict. Oh look in the past EVERYTHING was better.

The time has come when no one can hide their inner prick anymore…. All that was hidden in darkness is coming to light.

Thanks guys, you give me a sense of normalcy is this idiotic age of Trump.

Jerry is a total creep, never found him funny, JLD is awesome and hilarious. Go Julia

Never found Jerry Seinfeld funny.

You forget the part where Julia SHREDS Jerry's views!

In the 1960’s, Canadian media theorist Marshall McLuhan said ‘Jokes are grievances, look at the jokes and see the grievances.’ This tracks!

Comedians who complain about "woke" are just salty their tired old lazy shtick is not working twenty years later

Has almost $1 billion and can’t stop fucking crying. God forbid you do any sort of introspection, Jerry.

He is a creep.

The only reason Jerry Seinfeld joined the "wokism killed comedy" bandwagon is because he knew his Pop-Tart movie was going to completely bomb. He's never done anything even close to as genuinely funny as Veep.

BTW: Mitzi Shore ( From N.Y.), founder of "The Comedy Store," never had Seinfeld on stage. She didn't think he was funny at all. 😊

Seinfeld taking pictures with the IOF lost his relevance as a moral standard. Period.

The reason we even have the term "super cringy" is because as a society we've changed and grown (we woke up?) and we recognize some things are no longer funny. When I was a teen in the 80's people used to laugh at the worst black jokes. Everybody did. Now I see how horrible it was to my friends who were not white. Why I didn't see that at the time I don't know, but I do now. And there's nothing wrong with being aware of others feelings. We all know exactly what someone means when they say "you can't laugh at anything now". they don't like being called out for being insensitive, cruel idiots.

That whole Kramer situation has begun to make more sense. Things like that don't come out of nowhere.

Anytime I have seen Dryfus do an interview she just comes across as a very genuine, decent person and a fun person to be around

I loved Goldfinger when I was a kid. I tried to watch it with my son a few years ago. I had to turn it off after Sean Connery struck a woman on her butt and told her to leave because the men are talking. I don't see how updating my viewpoints could possibly be interpreted as a bad thing.

Norm MacDonald (RIP) who was right-wing himself, interviewed Seinfeld on his KZfaq show and Norm mentioned homeless people and Seinfeld proceeded to say the most awful things about people in that position, Norm pushed back on him but for me it opened my eyes to Seinfeld's nasty view of the world.

Jerry is laughing all the way to the bank. The rest of you not so much.

Turned into a creep? Dude he was dating a 17 year old when he was 38 while Seinfeld was on air. He's always been a creep.

Elaine was always the supreme being.

From now on, when Jerry Seinfeld does an interview, someone should re-post the interview with a laugh track and the Seinfeld bassline after he makes a point even a serious one. That way he could never complain no one can laugh at what he says.

Seinfeld wants to go back to the good old days when he could date 16 year olds

It reminds me of a time when an ex said I was being petty and toxic said to me "you used to laugh at my jokes " and I responded,"you used to be funny." Whether or not your comedic talent is successful is a you problem.

She COOKED to the max without being 100% explicit in her criticism of Jerry.

Some comedian's take it personally because they are not funny without being condescending or mean spirited. Insults aren't funny anymore. Thinking of a woman as a prop to make a man look good is over.

My thoughts on the Seinfeld gripe about "political correctness" is killing comedy shows...I think that because of shifting attitudes towards racism, inequality, gender roles, and the general acceptance to LGBTQ+ people has all changed the media that we consume. Entertainment companies/studios do not want to put out racist or offensive content. And I will quote the great basketball player, Michael Jordan. When asked about why he doesn't get involved with politics, he answered, "Because Republicans buy sneakers, too." And that is why a TV studio or a movie studio doesn't want to offend people, because they want to appeal to the largest audience possible, so they can make as much money as possible. That's why Marvel puts out movies with diverse casts, and we finally had a Black super hero with his own movie, we finally have a female-led superhero film. We finally had an Asian led comic book movie. Because being diverse is what sells. I think it was Rupert Murdock that said, my idiology is not red or blue, but it's green. So, no, studios aren't pushing some sort of woke agenda. When Target decides to sell Pride flags and "gay underwear," they aren't being woke. They are just trying to make as much money as they possibly can. And if a gay Pride flag gets more gay people through the door, then gosh darn it, they're gonna sell some Pride flags!

Funny Face movie was absolutely shocking to me. I'm so glad things have changed. I was born in the 1970s. A lot of movies from the 80s didn't age well... classism, etc. They show you where the concepts of privilege, entitlement, and micro aggressions arose from.

I remember Seinfeld's unrestrained arrogance towards CNN host Larry King. There is so much ego in Seinfeld, everything else seem to have been pushed out, including humility and empathy.

Seinfeld was always the weakest part of Seinfeld. Crying about the audience is the biggest loser thing a stand up comedian can do, period. Buddy, take the hint, it's you.

Re: Jackie Kennedy, There is an interview with a Secret Service agent who was behind the car and also one with a doctor at Parkland Hospital who worked on JFK. The SS agent said that Jackie Kennedy climbed onto the back of the car to retrieve a piece of JFK's brain and he had to push her back into the car. The doctor at Parkland said she still had it in her hand when she came to the ER and gave it to one of the doctors. So that is what really happened and not what Lenny Bruce thought.

So that's why Seinfeld hasn't done anything meaningful since his show ended. Meanwhile, Julia went on to do some pretty good stuff.

I'm reading Outrageous by Kliph Nesterhoff right now! It's fantastic and really shows how "people are too sensitive", "you can't make jokes about anything anymore", and "I'm being silenced" have literally always been the refrain of hacks who are past their prime.

God it is nice to see Jerry Seinfeld getting pushed back on for not really being funny.

Let’s not forget Norman Lear’s protégé, Susan Harris (The Golden Girls) who called him one of the most taboo breaking writers of her time

When JLD was talking about comedy "30 years ago", she wasn't talking about the same shows Jerry was discussing... she was talking about "Seinfeld" itself. Possibly also Friends and others of the time. Also: "Louis" isn't "Louise".

People are always like, “Jerry dated a 17 year old when he was 38”. His birthday is earlier in the year. So she was also 17 when he was 39.

Aggrievement based "comedy" that relies on kicking down on relatively powerless people, propping up oppressive systems of tradition, and generally whining about things changing will never be funny.

I will never understand why people want to live in the past so much-life is progressive until it isnt, but at that point you wont care

The hosts at Turner Classic Movies talk about how many of the classic films of Hollywood are problematic in retrospect, but use it as a discussion point, which I think is very smart. Regarding the films of the 80s: I feel they were even more problematic than the classic films of the 30s/40s/50s. The misogyny and racism was kicked up to 11 in the 80s.

Does anyone ever ask these goons, "What can't you say? What do you want to say, but can't? I'm not stopping you."

The playing field is being leveled and now mediocre people are forced to compete with those they once purposely excluded.

In what way was Seinfelds comedy considered controversial? He is the definition of vanilla comedy and he can't deal with the fact that the audience have outgrown his hack comedy 20 years ago.

"Nobody understands my creativity" = "I'm a poor communicator, or have nothing to actually say."

One could make a very strong argument that Larry David is the reason Seinfeld was as funny and popular that it was, not Jerry himself

She may have gotten her start from Seinfeld, but she has become completely successful on her own. I don't see jerry at any level near JLD.

Didn't Jerry allegedly date his current wife before she was a legal adult? He needs to shut the hell up.

The foundation of Seinfeld’s comedy was based on making fun of people, being narcissistic and arrogant…in the last episodes they all ended up in jail!

I think you got it right when you pointed out that complaining about political correctness is a cover. I used to watch Bill Maher on HBO until I got fed up with him attacking his audience for political correctness when they didn't laugh. I found I didn't laugh at the jokes either. They weren't funny, he wasn't funny. I suspect Seinfeld is doing the same thing, he needs an excuse for his comedic failure.

Mash and All in the Family were woke as hell.

Isn't Seinfeld the guy who was "dating" a teenager when he was in his 30s??

Steve Bannon was one of Seinfeld's Executive Producers. I'll just leave that to ponder.

And what is the deal with my former colleagues still being successful? *sad electronic bass plucking*