GR IV: The ONE thing it's missing.
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Күн бұрынMy last minute wish list for Ricoh Japan to consider for the Ricoh GR 4. What do you think? Is it wishful thinking? Do you agree? Share your thoughts below. "It's time for film!" Oh, wait that was the other camera. It is time for GR! :-)
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#streetphotography #ricohgr
TIMESTAMPS:
00:00 Intro
02:11 I changed my mind - Part 1
03:13 I changed my mind - Part 2
04:48 One Important Improvement (for me)
07:39 About Battery Life
08:03 About the "Dust Issue"
08:54 The ONE thing they are missing
14:12 Spec Requirements
16:04 The Form Factor
18:08 Becoming a Transhuman Photographer
21:41 Probably THE BEST Solution
22:54 Design & Other things
@bugcatcher6663 13 күн бұрын
GR IV confirmed. Thanks Samuel.
@das.gegenmittel 13 күн бұрын
He is Setting the expectations lower so that there is less blame.
@RohamBroccoli 13 күн бұрын
NO wheater sealing = NO buy
@manuelepasqualini1429 13 күн бұрын
@@das.gegenmittel I totally agree with you. A new Ricoh GR with so little improvements would not get much attention.
@JaJutWa 13 күн бұрын
@@RohamBroccoliahhhhh, STOP CRYING OMG
@stephanedubarry8624 12 күн бұрын
Simple : to make me buying : weather sealing + improved battery life + view finder
@sofianeb1564 13 күн бұрын
Personally, I'd have hoped to see a Ricoh GRIV that looked like the Ricoh GR1v from the film era, with a viewfinder and built-in flash, without it being any bigger. It's not the same technology, of course, but I'd hope one day to see a digital version of this camera.
@Iggy_Garcia 11 күн бұрын
I agree, it´s more or less like going back to the GRii design but adding the newest advancements.
@256k_ 13 күн бұрын
the GR3 form factor is absolutely perfect! i wouldn't change it for anything... but i would love a upgrade of internals like you said.
@wmwragg 13 күн бұрын
I would love a GR IV Monochrome. They've done it with the Pentax K3, so they have the ability
@wwyhk 13 күн бұрын
Indeed, monochrome please
@trels203 13 күн бұрын
Yessss we want monochrome 🗣
@pablosanchez4552 13 күн бұрын
And 35mm 😢
@t-money561 4 күн бұрын
@@wmwragg only if Sony allows it.
@lottic 13 күн бұрын
I got clickbaited so hard. bravo.
@mosesp6200 13 күн бұрын
1. Higher aperture - like 1.7 or at least 2.0 2. Better low light capability 3. View finder 4. Flash Optional: - monochrome version - more megapixels - weather sealing
@dirkpehrke9909 13 күн бұрын
Most important: stay true to the original design. Don’t listen to people, who want more buttons, more place etc. Only a flash could come back. Better AF, higher quality controls, no more wobbly wheels.
@gorniko 13 күн бұрын
- stabilize the sensor around the focus point like what nikon recently did (it seems to really work well) - simplify the menu structure (like a Q for example) - no video features required, just remove the option completely - more adjustment options for creating in camera film recipes (would be great to be able to do it on your phone, see a preview and push it to the gr) - probably not possible but a better battery would be really great. - a monochrome hdf companion version next to a regular color one (i would buy both) - a custom crop option, would like to set my own in-camera crop (together with more film recipe configuration options (yes profiles bit film recipe sounds nicer😂) it would make it fun and easy to share everywhere without additional edits on the phone.
@diabeticonboard6459 13 күн бұрын
An update to the externals is MANDATORY! We need a better grade of polymers or plastics utilized in the back buttons and especially on the dial. To me, the "cheapness" in the engineering of the polymers/plastics and how they are fixed to the camera is the Achilles Heel of my GR3.
@abrooklyngirllinda 7 күн бұрын
great video as always sam and great to see you here!!!
@PPYTAO 13 күн бұрын
Beautiful shots at the football game!
@TheGazmondo 13 күн бұрын
Videos like this are how cameras can be developed according to the requirements of the users. It’s how Fuji gained huge market share, because they listened to us requesting cameras that operated like analog cameras, instead of computers ... Chiswick Cameras London, were a party to this feedback.
@gigsymon 13 күн бұрын
Sometimes I feel like Sam knows something. I hope I am right 🤣. Keeping my xpro2 for now. Waiting for the next GR 🫶🏼
@beltenebrosgr1904 13 күн бұрын
An easily cleaned sensor should be strongly considered...
@carlosjavierpenacastellano4824 Күн бұрын
I want to say a couple of things dear Samuel. First, I love the Gr III and really look forward to get the new Ricoh Gr IV. Secondly, finally i understand why people complain about dust and lens issues because i have been struggling with repair services in the us with my ricoh gr iii. It´s been like two months and they have not been able to fix the camera. In the meantime i just hope the new ricoh gr iv to be more reliable when thinking about construction and of course after sales repair services.
@drchtct 13 күн бұрын
Samuel: Hey Ricoh, I have this viewfinder idea, can I pitch it quickly Ricoh: no Samuel: ok fine, your loss, I will put a camera in my garden and pitch it to my KZfaq friends, ball is in your corner now
@eike.zender 13 күн бұрын
The colors of this video are fiiiire ❤
@burgules 13 күн бұрын
Amazing and fantastic EFV😊
@sms3cb 13 күн бұрын
Love the viewfinder idea. Would be killer for stealth street photography. Maybe one day an app will be on future AR smart glasses that allow you to see what your camera sees
@j.e.r.2675 13 күн бұрын
Great video! My concept of an ultimate GR: - add an electronic interface to the hot shoe for an external EVF with small contact pins, so the body without the EVF can look identical as the previous GR's - instead of a tilt screen, introduce an external miniature waist level(!) viefinder with high nit OLED for the hot shoe, wich sits nearly flush to the top plate - "solid state" construction with no collapsable lens barrel and internal focusing for state of the art fast AF and absolute dust and weather proof construction - full electronic shutter with high flash sync, so that no mechanical shutter is needed at all - Quad-Bayer Sensor with 50 to 100 million pixels or even more, with downsampled 20mp DNG files as standard, but possibility to "zoom" via crop - add a multi purpose ring with "focus tab" for zooming (cropping) or focusing stepless with absolute (!) values, not with relative positioning - add Pentaxes pixel shift technology with anti moire simulation, bayer pattern compensation etc. - perhaps make it a 1" sensor for even more compactness like the GR Digital - internal flash, even if it's only LED
@the_kumomi 13 күн бұрын
I wish back the button for exposure compensation, this was reallly useful
@devacore477 8 күн бұрын
Agree! I would for sure buy an EVF for my GRs.
@lucassousafilm 13 күн бұрын
Great video man, happy to know that the GR IV is coming! What I want to know is what strap were you using it 🥹 haha
@industryrule-4080 13 күн бұрын
1. Give buttons more positive feedback and toggle switches more resistance. 2. Bring back flash (and make it powerful) and body design of GR1 film body. 3. Phase detect AF. 4. Faster operating speeds.
@the.jonfernandez 13 күн бұрын
19:00 this is actually such a good idea
@mlopezmad 13 күн бұрын
Very good video, it's something I also miss, a fast burst so I don't miss anything and the screen stays on during the bursts, since it turns black and I lose the frame of what I'm doing. The articulated screen is a must, really useful in certain shots so I don't have to get down on the ground. An electronic viewfinder as an accessory in a great idea, I hope they listen to you.
@KyleRuggles 13 күн бұрын
Awesome! A wireless viewfinder would be awesome! Maybe a way to attach it to our glasses, like some weird AR thing. 18:08 But it'll have some type of battery, probably won't last long, unless it can be charged on the camera, I love the idea! Do it! Guess the GRIV is confirmed! lol!
@TheChosenOne_ 13 күн бұрын
More speed/less blackout would definitely be appreciated. It’s really easy to miss a moment if there is too much happening or you miscalculated the shot. An EVF would be cool for the times I want a bit more „precise“ shooting because it does happen that I find stuff in images I didn’t notice while shooting. However I think your two wishes could clash. For example on the Leica M240 if you use the EVF the camera becomes slower.
@log791 13 күн бұрын
Yes, the blackout... not to mention, that my 15 years old Panasonic GF1 has less blackout. Actually much less, therefore it is more suitable to shot rapidly.
@Joe_VanCleave 13 күн бұрын
An external OVF with digital frame line overlay that adjusts for focus distance parallax is the best compromise.
@RyanKemperinOhio 13 күн бұрын
Your viewfinder idea is FIRE. That would be incredible. And I know it'd be possible. Are they innovative enough to try something like that though....?
@Veujin 13 күн бұрын
for me personally the gr (2013) body is better than the gr iii body. it has more room for my thumb hence it's much easier to handle.
@alanpayne7656 13 күн бұрын
Agreed 🤞🏾🤞🏾. It was perfect
@RonHamilton 13 күн бұрын
Weather sealing is all I want. But I think Ricoh will probably put out a GR3 monochrome before they release a GR4
@TimParker 13 күн бұрын
I think I agree with you on all of these points! 🤞
@johanbryggman 13 күн бұрын
Many moons ago I had an Panasonic micro 4/3 camera with a tiltable EVF. I do miss that feature on many cameras and it would be superb on the GR
@dansuzukiphotography 13 күн бұрын
I really like the Ricoh/Pentax duo. I even bought a DSLR Pentax body and I’m using it with old Takumar manual lenses. I had the GR II and III and love them, but I had to sell both last year. What really worries me is their capacity to meet the demand for a long awaited product like the GR IV. I ordered another GR III in February this year and in May I cancelled the order because they had no clue of when it would be delivered. I believe the waiting list for a possible GR IV would be outrageous, unfortunately. But I have the best wishes for the continuity of the GR series 🙌🏼
@MikeRinz 13 күн бұрын
Man, I want old controls and a wider body with more space between your fingers and the lens barrel just like on older GRs.
@trizneena 7 күн бұрын
Samuel, what about the functional lens ring idea you mentioned in original video to select snap focus distance??
@chrisli6525 10 күн бұрын
My 12yr old Panasonic GX1 has optional external finder . It is tiltable and powered thru the hot shoe.. There is a button on the finder to switch from LCD to EVF. Its very cool . i had the camera converted to IR so I still use it.
@SIQmai 13 күн бұрын
YEEEEESSS to the accessory viewfinder!! I personally would LOVE an optical VF with: _ accurate framelines _ AF confirmation _ exposure information (aperture, shutter speed, iso) That's all that's needed and I would 1000% buy it if they are able to do that. Because the GR as it is is basically perfect, they don't need to change the form factor but they can still offer a very nice VF that ppl can buy if they want/need it and just leave it if they want the 'pure' GR.
@Tony16610 4 күн бұрын
Personally, I don't think they ever planned to release a GRIV. If they did, they would have timed it with the Fujifilm X100VI drop to meet that demand when the X100VI would be inevitably backordered for months. No rumours, nothing about it- so Pentax/Ricoh was caught with their pants down when demand for the GRIII shot up.
@kbstabs5982 13 күн бұрын
Interesting ideas. I am looking froward to getting my second GR. Have the III and thought about the IIIX but am waiting to see what the IV will look like. By the way, please tell me what is that cool strap you have round your neck.
@MichaelRelevant 13 күн бұрын
The Bluetooth EVF idea sounds amazing.
@janvirtanen9110 13 күн бұрын
There would be latency problems for sure
@SuperReview 13 күн бұрын
They’ve made EVFs for cameras with much smaller customer bases, seems very viable to me and I agree it’s worth doing.
@TheBigNegative-PhotoChannel 13 күн бұрын
I'am almost 2m the only thing i need is a flip-up screen for hip shooting. If it has this, i will definately buy one! The Lumix LX15 has one and it felt really solid. A EVF hybrid like X100 would be really cool.
@christophmagnussen 10 күн бұрын
The one thing I really like about Ricoh and their philosophy is that they only come up with a new camera if it really improves how we take images. I like the experience of taking pictures, that should evolve. The good thing here is that you actually made them think of that, since you're the most heavy user by far as far as I know. So thanks for the insights and let's hope for another update. But as I said I also really like how they stick to their philosophy of slower updating than anyone else who's just running for selling new devices :)
@PaulS-ru8js 13 күн бұрын
I’m no engineer, but I beleive EVFs use much more power that LCD screens, even though that is counter intuitive given the difference in size. Given the limited power of the GR III battery, and EVF could be a real problem for the already limited battery life. An EVF in principle would, of course, be nice in some situations.
@mynewcolour 13 күн бұрын
As a GR user I tried the GX100 as alternative and it was rubbish.
@brandontenney4659 13 күн бұрын
What neck strap is this!? Ive been wanting one like yours for a while now!
@sensorpainting 11 күн бұрын
What adapter and lens hood is that? Thanks :)
@Ruylopez778 13 күн бұрын
I'd like to see a *decent* hotshoe mounted OVF that has a few electronic functions on it, so it's a sweet spot between performance, battery life, price, weight and features, but more useful than those basic OVFs. And a flash unit that can mount on the side, like an Olympus XA. For me, these are no-brainers. I think the best solution for an external EVF would be *compatibility* with an existing EVF, or if they just rebadged/licensed an existing EVF from Nikon/Canon etc.
@michaellong9526 13 күн бұрын
Olympus had a very nice external evf for their pen line of cameras👍
@Berlinspazierer 13 күн бұрын
I feel exactly the same as you. An optional EVF is actually the only thing I'm missing. I especially miss the EVF for checking things afterwards. The camera definitely shouldn't be any bigger.
@mwales2112 8 күн бұрын
My GR3 died a couple years ago and would love to see what they do next...
@markchan5516 13 күн бұрын
Feels like Samuel is justifying in advance the lack of some expected features of the new GR IV…no higher pixels, no tilt screen, no weather seal 😂
@SamuelStreetlife 13 күн бұрын
😂 I am ready to be positively surprised. No idea what they doing to be honest...
@Kevon420 13 күн бұрын
I don’t need more pixels either, the 26MP sensor that is in X100V or XS-20 is great, I hope Ricoh adopt that for the next generation GR.
@log791 13 күн бұрын
@@SamuelStreetlife and do you have a clue WHEN?...
@kaic9276 4 күн бұрын
I recommend an UV Filter for the dust "issue" sometimes i change and clean it, without problems. Im using my GR 3 for 5 years a lot also in dusty zones like beaches etc... Its of course not a Pentax K3 or so, but even my lense protector if you switch it off were broken but its still working fine ;)
@markreeves6601 12 күн бұрын
How about a monochrome only gr?. Bring back the tav mode. Nice work!.
@AtticKid3D 13 күн бұрын
its my schmerzgrenze :D genau deswegen liebe ich deine videos :D
@marcellopunto2519 13 күн бұрын
A optional and tiltable viewfinder would be great! Really liked using the ones from olympus in the early MFT-Times
@nicolasguillenc 6 күн бұрын
Where did you get that camera strap?
@Riccardo.Perini 10 күн бұрын
In your past video I suggested a popup EVF (something like in the Sony RX100 series) but I think a hotshoe EVF could also be a good idea. C’mon Ricoh, we’re waiting for the the GR IV since too much!!
@calvinchann1996 13 күн бұрын
Small built in or add on flash for fill. Fuji did a small hot shoe flash powered by the camera on the early X-T models.
@JayChen-y4y Күн бұрын
oh damn....I just got my GR IIIX three days ago....should I return it and wait for IV?
@jaydenjang702 13 күн бұрын
Can you please give me the information of the neck strap you use for your gr? I couldn’t find it through the links😭
@ZenoWatson 10 күн бұрын
As a Ricoh photographer for 10+ years. I would be happy with just a new BSI sensor. The external EVF Samuel is an interesting idea.
@manuelepasqualini1429 13 күн бұрын
My ideal Ricoh GR IV would have to be a proper upgrade with many new features. The new Ricoh GR Samuel is suggesting it would not be a real upgrade in my opinion. These are the main features I would like to see on the next Ricoh GR even if that would increase a bit the size of the camera which would not be a big deal for me: - 40mp sensor - new image processor with improved low light performance - a fixed compact prime lens which is already out that doesn't' suck any dust because there is no lens to retract. - new film simulations - a better compensation of highlights which is currently not so great on the Ricoh GR III - a tiny flash mostly for daytime photography - an improved manual mode which allows to change shutter speed and aperture more quickly and easily than it is now - weather sealed body. I don't care if the camera would end up being a bit bigger. Same sensor and small improvements would be a total disappointment.
@datty7 11 күн бұрын
Great points on the EVF, I never really use the OVF either since the framing is not accurate and does not show any info. I hope Ricoh keep the form factor but add the flash back in if possible and change the rotating dial to something more satisfying and wont skip. Another nice to have would be a magnetic filter thread system of some kind, the current filter adapters are huge and a pain in the ass to use.
@timowithcamera 13 күн бұрын
What Camera Strap is that 😵
@cosminovidiumunteanu 13 күн бұрын
How could be the EVF powered when not on the camera (by the camera)? :)
@x_x_6427 6 күн бұрын
15mm f1.4 (24mm 2.8) / Fast Af mixed with snap focus to limit the range. Vibration Feedback for focus. Build in flash. Slide in Mini Filter. Vertical Design.
@davewild 13 күн бұрын
I have a 90 degree tilt EVF on the Ricoh GX100 (My first Ricoh). That fit in the hot shoe and a USB port just beneath it. They could probably make the connection better these days. The USB meant you could use a USB extension cable in theory.
@raymondlau7183 13 күн бұрын
For me, i will say a GR4 should solve the button issue, the form factor is perfect and get rid of the flash is great as you wont use a flash when you want to sneak in the street. What i want more from GR is better focus and performance at night The noise on high ISO is quite bad....
@jockeftw 12 күн бұрын
On another note, where can I get that strap you've got?
@-grey 13 күн бұрын
Hey Sam, can you try out some street photography with the Teleconverter on the GRIIIX? ✌️
@TheArtisticFlavor 13 күн бұрын
I do agree with keeping megapixels the same, and that we need a better quality sensor. The low light performance is bad, and we need less noise, the noise of the sensor is ugly compared to my other cameras.
@jaycharnock9399 12 күн бұрын
An EVF would be a definite asset - I would buy one. Any hopes of a Mono GR111 or GR111x? Perhaps the GRIV + EVF - wow!
@tonyharrison1 13 күн бұрын
If you really don’t mind using the LCD most of the time but want blackout free shooting then the Sony RX100 Mark vii is an excellent choice. The pop up electronic viewfinder is also there if you need it in very bright conditions.
@SatanSupimpa 13 күн бұрын
I want an on/off infrared filter switch.
@kalistratov_photos 13 күн бұрын
I think there should be more color options from the start. I love the Diary color, and if there's no silver other light color at the start, I won't be interested
@PPYTAO 13 күн бұрын
It would be nice if the camera just felt SNAPPIER in every way. Instant shots and screen refresh, much better focus in low light would be amazing for me.
@PPYTAO 13 күн бұрын
I would 100% get an EVF for my GRIII if it was available, so good idea for GR IV.
@jasontaycs7195 13 күн бұрын
I would like full press snap to be faster. Or let us tune the speed of the full press. I can never seem to get it to work, and when it does, I've jerked my wrist. Or perhaps just let us toggle with a button snap shooting on/off. SFP currently is hard to use cos it overrides all manual controls, making it kinda useless.
@e.d.s.1644 9 күн бұрын
An functional adapter so we can use the leica Visoflex2 viewfinder ( might be an idea for aftermarket manufacturers)
@KevinRedder 13 күн бұрын
They need to fix the infamous flex cable that breaks easily inside the lens mechanism. Then I might consider buying one again.
@Andre-fe8ep 13 күн бұрын
EVF is super battery-hungry though. I just hope the new GR is weather-sealed and has a burst mode
@marc.s.moisan 13 күн бұрын
I would love to see a ricoh fixed lens range finder camera. Like a big brother to the GR. That'd be so sick! Could have a brighter non-collapsible lens, no auto-focus needed. Like an apsc leica m11/Q3 hybrid.
@rpavl 13 күн бұрын
So, Ricoh won't be bringing weather sealing and more megapixels with the GR4 so they asked you to prepare people for that? 😁
@CollectiveMindz 2 күн бұрын
I would consider getting a GR if it had a external viewfinder attachment and maybe monochrom
@yurizubaha997 13 күн бұрын
Hi Samuel, yes indeed, I agree with your statements in the video. The GR system, but I still think it's a whole system, despite the non-removable lenses. Yes, the viewfinder! at least someone has already said that. I would like to add about digital, although if we express a desire, let it be a hybrid viewfinder something like Fuji's x-pro viewfinder. So that there is both an exposure indicator and parallax and cropping frames in crop mode, but at the same time it has good optical quality. For example, I do not know if you have used the Nikon Coolpix A viewfinder, but in terms of brightness and clarity, I have not seen better. Yes, I still shoot on Nikon, although at one time there was a GR2)))
@NegativeCompensation 6 күн бұрын
I would hope for boing back to the GR II size. Slightly larger to accommodate a longer-lasting battery and perhaps a second-generation SD card to increase recording speed. Basic 4k video would be great too for those moments when you need a quick clip.
@josephlai1078 12 күн бұрын
A possibility is to have a built-in range finder-style viewfinder and leave the hot shoe for flash and/or EVF. The megapixel upgrade, if it is part of GR IV, would be simply a marketing move to meet the current consumer trend, but if Ricoh does do that, the cost might be considerably higher because logically, a more powerful processor/sensor will be needed. Let's wait and see!
@ilikeitwhatisit 12 күн бұрын
- no lens movement when the camera turns on (lens housing is big, maybe for style?) would improve the dust issue, which i had. - wireless viewfinder is not a great idea. it would need a battery. You can solve that problem with a shutter in the ricoh phone app. - bring back the flash
@Randuski 13 күн бұрын
I love the optical with the overlay of the meter and parallax correction. Thaaaaat would be amazing, and cheaper haha obviously I’d love an evf, but I can’t pay 700 for it lol
@Sam_Fu 13 күн бұрын
This is a push, but an F2 lens while keeping the same form factor would be phenomenal.
@photostuff 10 күн бұрын
When you write to Ricoh with suggestions, do you actually get any responses?
@SamuelStreetlife 10 күн бұрын
Yes. But it's usually just a thank you and they will think about my suggestions.
@BryanHaywood 13 күн бұрын
EVF is the one thing that I’ve always wanted. It’s not something that I’d use every single shot but it would definitely be something that I would use often. I also don’t want the GR4 to be bigger but if they could make it a little thicker and it adds weather resistance since the lens wouldn’t have to move as much I would love that if nothing else was updated. Also, If losing Macro capabilities would help make that a reality then I’d be okay losing that too. I like having it but it’s not all that frequently used at least for me.
@stanislavtroitsky7339 13 күн бұрын
I sold my GRIIIX since I got a Sony RX1R because it has a flash, and small external EVF which makes it near perfect (for me). Might not be pocketable but small enough to fit in coat pocket and has a f2 Zeiss lens and a FF sensor. Oh and the EVF can tilt which is super handy for certain shots. Also came out a decade ago and still my favourite street camera after trying the latest offerings from the major brands.
@willstith1 13 күн бұрын
Since the GR for me is more of an alternative camera I don't care at all about a viewfinder. I agree that a sensor and processor update that speeds the camera up would be great. I don't know what would make me upgrade though for my purposes on the street it works pretty great.
@timhelps2761 12 күн бұрын
The Ricoh GX100 (2007) and GX200 have EVFs, they are much more close in size to the GR, so it shows they have done EVFs before.. They were however smaller sensors with no in body IS so there was more room in the body.
@mangus8216 8 күн бұрын
Where can i get that neck strap ??
@giuseppebertolini6705 10 күн бұрын
I'd be happy to downsize my kit, sell my X-Pro2 and lenses if it was weather sealed. I have an M10 so I'd be more than happy to have a super compact 28mm camera that I can use in the rain with peace of mind. Then, having a leaf shutter and not having a compact flash option to go with it seems like a lost opportunity. I would also love the optical view-finder idea from sam stone, he knows his stuff ;)
@JerryAdam 13 күн бұрын
A built-in flash as well as a fixed (non-extendable) lens with focus tab and aperture ring or at least an adjustment ring for the snap focus distance would also be nice 🤔 An EVF would probably require better battery life, but would be certainly helpful in terms of framing privacy. Atm, I simply turn off the display and use the OVF ✌️
@DennisMorassut 13 күн бұрын
I would love to see B&W versions of the GR III/x (and future GR4/x) using the excellent Pentax K3MIII monochrome sensor, with a built-in high contrast red filter that can be switched in/out as needed. And full camera weather sealing (using the external filter/lens adapter) would be great! Also another strong vote for an external tiltable hot-shoe-based full OLED EVF with minimum 3M+ resolution, and a tiltable (up/down) rear LCD panel for the GR4/x cameras. Plus keep the GR III/x cameras in production for a self-contained slimmer version, if the tiltable LCD will increase the size. Cheers!
Sergio Outdoors
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