Thank you. Godot for 2D mobile ? iOS and Android? I just can't use Unity after their policies.

In my wishlist. Good luck!!

@@AyrenJagar Yes Godot supports Mobile

I'm a game developer with 10 year of experience, marry me :D

As someone who's done visual scripting for 11 years bc c# was too difficult, and sold 2.1M units of game products - It was disheartening to see you refer to Visual Scripting like it's some lazy solution... Would you like me to call you lazy for not knowing how to code in the binary that your system operates in? Let people work with what they can.

And trying to optimize each and every function...

great way to understand the tools though!! it's super helpful to know what's under the hood.

@@austincottle6789 It is hard to get over the hood now. I be like "Unity, bruv, I've seen this functionality work with 200 kb of ram in under 6 milliseconds. Why u doin it while eating tens of megabytes and wastin 150 milliseconds?!" It just aint it after C++ and I struggle to overcome myself and just enjoy game making like decades ago. I used to write in hecking Blitz Basic and don't think about premature optimization >.< good ol times...

this is the way

You should start with writing your own OS 😜

uh same

The best engine for your game is the one you're using to actually build and complete the game.

Continue using that engine to mature and complete the game. You can change engine if there's something expensive in your current workflow that makes it worth the investment to rework the entire project. If you want to evaluate a different engine, you can try starting a new game project or perhaps you can use the different engine to enact prototype ideas.

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Choose what YOU like, I was going to use Unity, but decided I preferred the python type language of gdscript, and I can always learn C# later. I won't listen to reviewers, there's no point other than just knowing what each does and doesn't do, but my decision will be my own, such as yours will be :)

Interesting that this comment didn't catch attention ....

​@@Angemell The comment was made some days after the video was release, so it was bound to not get as much attention as the rest

She basically explains at 2:33 why she doesn't know about it, she even sounded a little sad explaining that godots community and help have been growing. Just another shortcut taker buying assets, why work on making somthing personal and unique with a bit of hard work when you can just use what everone else is using ... what a sad state we live in. She seems more like a sales rep for unity and asset packs than a game developer. Reminds me of a game on steam where the devs spent 10 thousand dollars on assets, coders, marketing the whole 9 yards.... that game has made about 500 dollars to this day 🤣. Money doesn't make a good game, passion and creativity are not in the unity store.

​@@MrBlun7yIsn't that just programming culture tho? A lot of the stuff we use in engines, being it Open Source or Close Source use programs that weren't written by the authors, IE: RenPy (built on top of Pygame), Pygame (a SDL wrapper), Godot itself (since it uses stuff like FastNoiseLite, which is written in many programming languages), any c++ game that didn't use their own engine without using stuff like SDL, Raylib, SFLM.

@@Youkuri It has become that indeed, but normally theres some kind of progression. I don't see how buying assets from a store does any good to the indi dev community, like paying someone commission to make models for example would be far better as long as once complete and paid for, you own licence to those assets, meaning they are unique. If you have 10 games using the same asset packs which one are you going to buy or be drawn to? Game creation is interactive art and in any other environment it would be considered plagerism, I don't understand why people spend money on the stuff thats freely learnable. This new logic is why learn to fish when i can just pay a man to fish. Devolution at its finest.

Be a chad and use vim and gcc in cmd

@@emmanuelcartelli2728 and don't use cmake

@@emmanuelcartelli2728nuh uh lil bro

I just made a game in my mind, it's way easier and the preformance is fantastic

@@MtxLk Unfair. Not everyone can afford such a high-end computer!

MMORPGs are so stupidly complex to create and manage there's a reason there's essentially only ever been two profitable ones.

​@@fabiolean I just want to make one for me and my friends to play, but I did come to the realization that I don't have enough experience to even build the fundamental gameplay systems for a regular RPG, much less a grand multiplayer one. My project now is a procedurally-generated maze with an object you have to retrieve. Much more approachable, I think.

@@fabiolean For the idiots in the back like me, what are those two profitable mmorpgs?

@@3nertia runescape and wow I'd guess ? though saying they're the only profitable ones is probably a big exaggeration

Nah, its easy. Just open the dropdown, select MMORPG, pick from another dropdown what theme you want, select the artstyle you want, then from another dropdown select how bad or good you want the servers to run and your game is ready for shipping. Quite simple.

Exactly. People talk about ditching Unity because Unity actually wanted to make some money from something they gave away for nothing, and talk about moving to Unreal instead. Unreal has a revenue "tax" of 5% itself, and isn't that useful for indie developers, unless you've got plenty of AAA assets lying around (or you've bought some). It's complete overkill for most indie games, and C++ is tougher than c sharp.

Ehh, I disagree. Just because Unreal _has_ the capability to do the ultra-realistic AAA graphics thing doesn't mean that's the only thing it can do. You can do damn near anything with Unreal, you just have to figure out how

@@DreamyAileen Like I said, yes there isn't anything it can't do, but I feel like Unreal is overengineered and way too excessive for most indie games.

@@reessoft9416 People weren't digging on Unity because they suddenly made their plans cost money They hate unity because they took an extremely underhanded approach to monetisation with a complete lack of trust afterward, while Unreal will tell you up front "hey we're propietary and might collect your data on the side, please give us money"

​@@reessoft9416how on earth is C# easier than C++? In theory it's safer because of it being garbage collected but it's not easier. Especially when performance matters so you're fighting or trying to totally avoid using the GC...

yeah this engine is great for beginners and small simple games

​@ivanonlyone7160 It can still end up working very well for large games, too, unfortunately the constant updates make that kind of hard.

@@echoless3484Fr

​@@echoless3484I don't really agree with this... At least not yet

I feel like in a year or two when godot settles down it will become very mainstream. For now I wouldn’t make any huge projects in it.

Being lightweight doesn't make something an amateur piece of software. Relying on bloatware is an amateur mindset.

@@user-og6hl6lv7p EXACTLY! Unless you're working in some massive super-corporate nightmare scape, there's no reason to deal with some piece of garbage like Unreal that doesn't do anything right except make pretty colors for some suit's "AAAA" game.

​@@user-og6hl6lv7pI think they meant "more accessible" instead. (easier to run = easier to start with for people with poor rig)

I just like it because it's Open Source, so I don't have to fear legal warfare ever happening to me

@@spindash64 also it's great to avoid corporate mindset change (like the unity price change. (also I swear there were several replies here, where did they go?)

there’s too many 😭

Thlamming your pp in the car door kind of pain?

Yeah, though to be fair it is a bit more rudimentary and focused than the ones mentioned. It's good for making specific kinds of 2D games, really good actually, and much easier than say Godot or even GameMaker. Maybe an honorable mention.

Well if it makes you feel any better that was my first game engine. Made me go down a whole rabbit hole with Ruby that ended up with back-end web development and Ruby on rails and my sudden realization that I hate back in web development. Yes mistakes were made.

​​​@@FireFox64000000 I started working in IT support and somehow ended up doing frontend because I had some basic web development knowledge. I hate my job too, mistakes were indeed made.

Last year or 2022, XBox said any Unity users accepted to their dev program can have a free Pro seat. So if you've already published to console, I assume that should qualify you. Can't confirm whether Sony & Nintendo offer the same, but you could probably check / do some research.

oof, thats actually a big one

I wonder how Unreal Engine 5 handles this situation?

@@mandisaw Yes, because it's not enough work already just trying to make a game lol

@@3nertia If you're selling it, then yeah, making the game is only the beginning, I'm afraid.

Making your own engine is for a team that can dedicate a programmer to it. If you can't manage/afford that, don't do it.

Peak attention disorder. Just build your own engine so everythings just the way you want it, swear youl learn what a character controller is right after your finished.

But really tho If u even try to make a game engine just for fun, u learn a lot

@@not_halls you will learn more from making a game, any game and in a fraction of the time.

I believe learning assembly and building your own compiler is way more fun

Tbh many of those "must-have" assets are low/no code options for folks who just aren't that well-versed in what the engine can already do. If you can code & read docs, you likely won't need most of that stuff. As for Unreal, its built-in systems are "opinionated" - great if you're making a game inline with its assumptions, but frustrating if you're not. Unity's modularity & extensibility is its strength IMO. You can drop-in replacements for any of its built-in systems, and have the option to tailor your game's systems specifically to what works for you. Whether you use assets for some of it, or code it yourself down to the lowest-level, the engine itself doesn't "care".

I didn't have those must need assets for 5-6 years and I was fine

@@samyam it honestly does depend on the types of projects and how much effort you put into things. There is also inherent value in implementing these systems at least once to understand how the sausage is made, so to speak, and perhaps it is fast enough for your projects. A lot of UE's systems are an overkill... but if you are creating a multiplayer skill system from scratch, you will be spending a LOT of time figuring out prediction, proper replication, etc. Do you need all of that to the same extent? Probably not in most cases. Ultimately you as a dev need to make those trade offs depending on your project and the currency there is often time.

@@mufelo what is a "multiplayer skill system" mate? If you simply want multiplayer, unity has many ready to use packages like FishNet

@@mandisaw riiight and UE doesn't let you tinker with its code... lmao..

Also what really kills it is the issues it has with making app games.

Yeah, I kinda agree with you. 3D isn't THAT hard once you know 2D but any advanced features are undocumented because they literally JUST got implemented. It's not that big of a deal, all the main features are well done and any help you need can be found on Reddit or Discord. But I can understand the pain.

@@AL-lh2ht by "app games" do you just mean mobile ?

Tbf, the 3D is very new in the Godot. Most contributing people are currently focusing on the functions and bugs right now.

from what I read it is a sign that actually developping is faster rate than making tutorials about it... which is good to sepeople motivated doing it

Sounds more like a thing for those wanting to land a job in the industry?

I disagree. If you use one engine, jump into another and feel lost, you have been learning wrong the entire time. You should be learning about core stuff like rendering techniques, programming patterns, optimization techniques etc, rather than the editors themselves. Its the same when learning programming. Learn stuff like OOP, data structures, algorithms and patterns, and you should be able to become fluent in any language in under a week. Having spent 5 years in unity, i was able to become completely fluent in godot in under a week, and completely fluent in UE in 2 weeks. Now, not only can i adapt myself to any job posting, but also choose the best engine for the job at hand. In addition, using different engines gives you different perspectives and techniques that make you a more complete dev.

@@askeladden450 I think it's still okay for free time devs to not go through the entire process, "no code" has gained quite the popularity too. We can't really decide whether we want everyone to become a full fledged software engineer or let people do their project at hand with software as a tool and a much lower original time investment. That being said, if you want to be a professional, you really shouldn't skip those steps and with limited knowledge your ability to fix problems will be more than limited.

@@askeladden450 And where is the best place to learn about the fundamentals without being bored to tears, please?

@@3nertia lots of great channels on youtube. If you want to learn rendering and optimization, SimonDev, Acerola, Vercidium etc are great. If you want to learn Game Design, GMTK and others are great. If you want to learn to make animations good and punchy, New Frame Plus, Video Game Animation Study and many others. If you want good prgramming patterns, CodeAesthetic is really cool. There are too many to list here, but you will find them if you search for them. Then there are also dev log channels like ThinMatrix, Sebastian Lague, which are really enjoyable to watch. Notice how none of these teach you about any specific engine, but general principles and techniques that can be applied everywhere. Ofcourse if you want to get really good and deep into stuff, you will have to endure the 'boring' by reading books, articles and especially research papers.

GameMaker 8 was the second programming I ever did (first if you don't count Scratch). I loved it. Studio went far too long without a real free version. I couldn't justify spending that much money on a hobby I dipped in and out of. By the time they changed the pricing model, I had already discovered and learned Godot. I wasn't/am not about to switch back.

I really enjoyed using GameMaker 8 too. It's the most success I've had making games.

GM8 was great, I tried remaking a game for it in Studio and it just broke constantly, the variables never did wht they were supposed to and there were no tutorials for it. Pretty much forced me to give up on it and move to Unity then to Godot.

@@theapexsurvivor9538 if you are importing the file from GM8 to Studio, you will need massive changes to the code. There are extensions that help with the transition for compatibility for that. Otherwise, you need to reread the manual and such.

Gamemaker 8 was the real deal for me.

I would personally love to see a video on this workflow if you're ever inspired to participate in another jam.

@@edvonherr1596 Added it to my list of video ideas

I know this is 3 months old but i kinda wished there was a zig engine

@@caedutiger9362 Godot native and Mach engine are two options for that. I'm also making my own engine, although it's not exactly a general purpose one

Yeah thats great advice. If you are building a desk instead of using your toolbox, you could simply hit two rocks together until one gets a sharp edge. With this sharp edge you can beat your logs for weeks until you get something that resembles a plank. Now you just have to figure out how to assemble the parts without nails. Maybe you can glue them together with your spit? awesome!

The real documentation is the friends we made along the way.

Want to hear something funny? When I was learning unity I had one bitch of a time ever finding anything in the documentation. No matter what I did I couldn't find it. Now I can find almost anything I need in the unreal documentation.

​@@FireFox64000000I don't know how that is even possible, Unreal's Documentation is VERY lacking compared to Unity, regardless I am happy with Unreal for 3D.

It's some text and images that explain what the engine does so that you don't have to decipher the source code of Unreal every time something's not as expected

Try Unreal Engine 2, that shit is so scarce and trying to do Replication either Native or Unreal Script is a major pain in the ass. Luckily some modders have some docs but holy shit this version of Unreal makes me ready to make a game in Unreal Engine 5 lmao

Ohh yes you are right haha

Yeah nonbiased like a vacuum salesman

Why the hate on unity?

I love Unity!

​@@Splatenohno As a Game Designer I hate Unity. It's incredibly unresponsive, problematic and unintuitive

@@Dark.Mefisto As a Game Developer I don’t mind Unity it’s works for me

@@Splatenohno It's okay ^^ I mean we all like different tools and despise others I'm just saying personally I hate it, but I'm glad you like it

I know right haha im glad its getting attention. I use it and so far i love it!

As long as you don't make a catastrophically bad choice, you can probably make your game in just about any engine that seems like it might be possible to make that game in. It really is more important to just get started. There's a bunch of games where you hear what they were made in and think "holy shit, really?" Best of luck accomplishing your vision. Hope you can find people to interact with productively.

@@seigeengine Thanks for the encouragement my friend.

@@jamesonshekmeister No problem. I've been thinking of getting back(lol was never much) into game dev lately, and I know it can be hard to keep up projects on your own.

@@seigeengine True.

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@@WhyNotDogie yea. something like that

dragable shapes is really easy, you also don't even need to make the cards dragable to begin with

Godot or UE5, I'd say Unity otherwise but you said not too involved with coding. I'll counter with this though, getting into the weeds of the programming in your game will prove extraordinarily valuable, especially when it comes to bug fixing and improving the game. It gives you not just more control over how your game works, but I think more importantly, a deeper understanding of how your game works. Even for a simple digital card game.

I've given up on unity 5 or 6 times. Godot clicked inside 5 minutes

brb gonna make a 3d open world rpg mmo in rpg maker

@@samyam good luck

@@samyamI can imagine something similar to RuneScape in RPG Maker

@@samyam are you done yet? 😂😂

@@samyam Actually RPG Maker does have a plugins for 3D and Multiplayer components. Good luck finding someone who's actually gonna turn it into an MMO though

I’m changing the art now, thank you!

it's community is very small

@@amogoose2971 And yet, one of the biggest indie games of the year (Balatro) was made using LÖVE 2D. It's a shame it doesn't get more visibility, as it is a genuinely nice framework to start learning game dev.

@@amogoose2971The community around Balatro might change that

The best game engine AND framework!

:c no love 2d

Unity should work great for a VN if you want to add anything other than the normal VN things. Also it has a framework for VNs - UVNF.

I think it doesn't matter, aslong you use their tools or service ... it should be the same.

@@paluxyl.8682 so when i check the Unity site on the runtime fee page this is what it says. I just copied and pasted here: Unity Personal: No Runtime Fee, no splash screen The Unity Personal plan remains free and the Runtime Fee does not apply to this plan. Starting with Unity 6, we will increase the revenue limit from $100,000 to $200,000 (USD), and make the Made with Unity splash screen optional. Runtime Fee is forward-looking The Runtime Fee does not apply to games created with any currently supported Unity version. It only applies to games created with or upgraded to Unity 6, the next LTS version to be released in 2024. Editor terms We will make sure that you can stay on the terms applicable for the version of Unity you are using as long as you keep using that version. Self-reported data On a monthly basis, you have a choice of the lesser of 2.5% revenue share or the calculated fee based on unique initial engagements per game. Both your initial engagements and your revenue are self-reported. What versions of Unity does the Runtime Fee apply to? - The Runtime Fee does not apply to any games created with any currently supported Unity versions including 2022 LTS, 2021 LTS, 2020 LTS, or any earlier versions. The Runtime Fee will only apply to games created with or upgraded to Unity 6, the next Long Term Support (LTS) version of Unity to be released in 2024, and any future associated betas, Tech Streams, or LTS releases.

I think most modern developer tools (IDEs) have accessibility settings & themes that can help you. From changing to a more dyslexic-friendly font, to setting color schemes and highlighting to focus on each line or word. Visual scripting should be a choice, not a necessity 👍

And TIC-80 as well! 💾

I should probably learn to code with P8...

@@leeperhapsbased.9057 Lua is really simple. It wouldn't take long to pick it up.

@@judaronen I like TIC-80 too. But it lacks a bit of identity.

Raylib? You can use it in many languages, like rust and c

there's so many engines haha

@@samyam i would like for people to talk about it more often😅

Probably because it just couldn't compete with Unity and Unreal. A lot of people wanted it for its graphic capabilities, but Unreal arguably is better there now. Plus, support has been rather low and people have questioned whether it will continue to be supported at all.

@@lukajolich7669 I understand, Crytek should be the one to blame for it. They have given up on their own software which made CryEngine Developers to go to either Unity or Unreal. I still use it though but the lack of proper documentations or tutorials has me on the verge of giving up. I recently just found out about a small community of few people who still use it, that keeps motivating me to still learn the ins and out of the engine and one day to fully make a actual finished game. It's really sad to see CryEngine dies slowly or being forgotten.

I love Cryengine! They're currently working on Cryengine 6 with the new Crysis 4 in development. And a new reworking done to it FlowGraph (visual scripting) like Unreal's Blueprints. Can't wait!

Great!

I'm all of this too. Making some awesome progress with Unreal Blueprints :D

scratch is like super basic.... that means suree... its easier to learn, but making even the most basic things in scratch is just tiring... like im pretty sure it doesnt even have arbitrary exponentiation yet or even return statements

lol and then "reloading assemblies for 30 minutes each change", those new features are useless with that. let unity die.

Yes you only have to upgrade after a certain revenue threshold has been met

Here. I don't understand the thumbnail, one of the most popular indies right now is made in LÖVE.

@@raypuiaascii4653 Which one?

Hi there!

@@raypuiaascii4653 Which one?

​@@fiendishhhhhBalatro

Why?

@@nerdmassa9086 Why? Because making video games is about programming. It's like saying you want to paint but don't like brushes. If you get into visual coding (like in GameMaker) you'll quickly find yourself stuck, while just coding would be faster.

I wouldn't be so extreme, you can still make a good game with just visual scripting/drag and drop, and even enjoy it. Is it better, of course not, is it possible/enjoyable? Yes! I made an ecology sim using Construct 3 and I love working on it.

@@nerdmassa9086 Carry on, have fun, and best of luck! Happy if I'm proven wrong! In my experience, I got into game dev with Game Maker drag and drop, but I was so severely limited that I didn't even know how limited I was. I argue that you'll eventually need to write some code or else be handicapped by the lack of knowledge. Even GML is simple and limited, but I see now how much I needed it. But still - prove me wrong. Please do! Yes, I know people make stuff in Blueprints, and yes I know I'm being a bit extreme to make a point.

Wait, I didn't refuse the idea that programming is better then visual scripting for gamedev, and that the second can be a limitation; I refused your assumption that without code writing you don't actually want to make games, but just love the idea. I'm a programmer as well as a gamedev and I agree that programming is on another level, but I use Construct 3 because my project pre-dates my programming career. I could start from scratch with Unity or Godot and make a bigger, better, more complex project, but it's not necessary as i do love my game and working on it, and players seem to like it as well.

I’ve seen a lot of solo developers use it successfully, if it’s your end goal go for it!

Firstly, C# is trivial for a C++ dev. It's got very nice ergonomics as well. As for Unreal, it's got its own flavour of C++ that takes a lot of getting used to.

So for a statistics: there was a horror gamejam with ~50 entrees. 1 uses UE ~7 RPG maker, Game maker and smaller ones ~7 Godot Everyone else Unity And this one with UE got around 10th place with very polished small game with beautiful graphics, one bad thing about this UE project is a 2GB game when other competitors have html5 browser games or 100mB games. Dont think about language when choosing an engine, if you know at least one language you can grasp any other

In the past that statement was true, but unreal made a lot of improvements to compete with unity and now has none of the best visual scripting engines.

@@AL-lh2ht Did they axe blueprints? Or nerf them somehow?

Who's Yuri and what did he do?

@@Zhawn7 He was a prevalent coder in the community who worked on the game engine, but he commonly engaged in fights, and was an instigator of these fights. By "fights" I mean heated arguments on the GitHub repository thingy. He also used to be an employee of the Godot foundation. Besides instigating fights, he was a Russian supporter, and mocked Kyiv citizens who were being shot by Russians during the 2014 capital riots.

@@nuclearsu source please

Thank you! 😁

Still better than the cult who defend some cooperate.

It gets fairly little recognition. I feel like a lot of people sleep on VNs and interactive fiction games as a whole outside of a game here and there that blows up (Doki Doki Literature Club (made in Ren'Py), Hatoful Boyfriend, that kind of blow up). There are some real gems in the VN games sphere. Everlasting Summer is interesting and also Slay the Princess and Scarlet Hollow (both made by the same developer and on Ren'Py) are pretty damn awesome too.

Yeah, I love reading photo albums with exceptionally large description

To be honest you're never going to find an engine you're 100% satisfied with and making your own engine from scratch means you're now making an engine and not a game. You need to just pick something that doesn't outright cockblock you and stick to it. All engines will have SOMETHING (or lack something) in them that makes you go "oh god, why??"

@@Nipah.Auauau yeah, all these years of gamedev and i've come to the same thing trying out new engines is often like "oh wow i love this new feature how did i live without it" at the same time with "oh god i miss that feature why don't they have it??"

If you're still unsatisfied with Unity and haven't seen the new Godot 4.2+ then I'd recommend revisiting the new version. Godot is changing insanely fast. I wouldn't be surprised if they released 5.0 next year and were on par with Unity lmao

I don't get what you mean by not being able to access pixel size in godot

Python with Pygame.

@@AlexandruMihaiDorobantu thank you, i'll check it out.

try joining a game jam!

I added XR in a side note in the video, and mobile in the description, both putting Unity first because it does have the most features for that

@@samyam I forgot to add WebGl =D