SUPPORTIVE HOUSING MODEL SHELTER MANAGEMENT HOMELESS AGENCY GROUP

Ah yes jail, well known for "helping people get back on their feet"

Hostile architecture gets peole back on their feet by giving them no place to sit or lie down.

in the US, they cant do that rather unfortunately

This sounds good but what abt the ppl who are just completely broken from trauma and those who don't do drugs? Ppl are having to lie and say they are alcoholics and drug addicts just to get into rehab housing. Then ppl under 18 or even ppl who seem young can't get into these facilities because of the danger or the fact ppl under 18 have no rights.

If some do not want to work nor get help...😢 It's their choice! Let they go and stay in facilities as jail, special camps Or social services work rehabilitation🎉 facilities where they must work be housed get paid learn the value or money again😮or stay as the majority and or be hungry 😊. It is hard to fathom that other cities and governments Feds and States ALL give them MONEY to do NOTHING! So they prefer stay on drugs alcohol. Social services need to be firm, fair faithful, frank to get them of the streets. 😮 They are paid as NGO's. We can all help as church groups with food and clothing, showers. 😢 Caring and CHOICE ALTERNATIVES😮 to them. it's ashame what has happened Statewide, Federal Wise or world wide. ❤I love all my brothers and sisters of any fair faith none and persuasion. How do people let themselves go even as homeless. We allocate billions not just for defense and all other gambits and persuasions. There is so much waste. 🎉 How can we all help as this man suggests? You have more idea than I. Please go on to help or say kind word or speak up. 😮 there is much wisdom in Book of Or Proverbs BIBLE. I like San Francisco and Oakland and the BART system. So many were helpful to be there. I am from Boston and Los Angeles. Thank you so much for making this excellent video. There are more ideas🎉we all have to share. Thank you for everyone here.

Well said!

Western governments are reactive. Once the problem is on top of everyone then they'll spring into action. But only if nobody in both houses disagree.n

There's an underlying mental health/ drug use problem the city doesn't have the resources to tackle.

@@MS-ut8fd Precisely, they don't have the resources because they weren't proactive to deal with these human issues.

lots of homeless are from elsewhere, SF gave lots of incentives to bring them in, so they came and now they can't get them out

They already do. The city is extremely friendly to homeless people in some ways. But extremely unfriendly in others.

they were spending a billion a yr. or more on homeless, it didn't work

@@michaelsix9684because the ones who are supposed to “solve” homelessness would stop receiving billion dollar handouts from the federal government for their pockets if they ended homelessness

@@JellyAntz I agree totally. Govt. programs help lots of people running programs get rich but homelessness remains. They don't want to solve the problem and lose that payout.

SF gets most homeless people from elsewhere! The city has given too many incentives to draw them in. SF spends a billion plus per year on this problem. No success!

Thanks for your perspective. I’ve been yelled at for the same reason. Do you care to weigh in on the glass issue? Did you find bus stops any more comfortable when the back was glass?

It is their house, you live in a place without laws. It is the decline and fall of civilization.

​@@AdamDoesNotExist One thing though, sad to say, folks will pee or poop in the planters. ANYTHING they'll do. 😮

Or instead of wasting money on this bs. They could ya know build them some place to call home. Or maybe even just put some more benches out.

Read about the many cities around the world which have successfully and ethically reduced homelessness. It takes several different programs all working in tandem to solve the issue. Then you have cities like SF which will simply approve a small handful of cheap and dangerous public housing buildings and harm reduction clinics and call it a day. Then all the rich liberals will pat themselves on the back for being good little progressives and the conservatives will point out the obvious failures and act like the problem is somehow that the gov is doing TOO MUCH instead of not enough.

glass companies are using them to experiment with types of glasses. Gorilla and bulletproofed glasses are now used.

Yup. Vandalism was, and still is a huge issue.

That's what he said in the video.

So a war veteran who got screwed over by the government and ended up living on the streets is the same as a thief?

@@allergy5634 screwed over how?

@@robertsabharwal9787are you aware how the US treats veterans?

Being homeless isn't illegal, and everyone has a right to exist.

You house, beyond that locked door, is private space; the public space is...well, public space. These designs lower the comforts of city's inhabitants, and they did not agreed to it. Will you be fine if the government put booby traps or cameras in your house without asking your permission, all just to catch potential burglars?

This is why people are so upset. Plus the bandaid isn't that effective.

There is no cure.They enjoyed doing their drug.They won't stop

I agree with a lot of what you said. Unfortunately this design makes is harder for everyone to use. You see more people than ever sleeping in bus stops. But now they're useless for everyone else.

Do you ever watch " News For Reasonable People"? Sean, the host echoes my opinion: this is not a "homeless" but much more so a "drug and mental illness" one 🙏.

@@SeanA.Skeete-wd4vi I’ll check it out! is that you? I agree mental health and drugs are a huge part of the issue.

answer to the last question, because of housing abundance, if that city wasn't stuck with fascists increasing their money numbers we would see same development as in Europe or for an actually human system we would see housing is human right approach & just build min 5 story apartments everywhere where single fam duplex or quadruplex stands now.

You don't need more of that design. You need more social housing and rehabilitation problems. And more affordable housing, not 24 empty houses bought for investment purposes for 1 homeless person. And look at how much many goes on that design. PS: Yes, there're still issues with homelessness in the EU, but it's not even close to the US numbers. Japan is closest to the solution. 0.003%

Socialist cities doing what they do best. Running their cities like a rathole, they create a “solution“ to a problem they’ve created in the first place 😂😂😂

How you help a good for nothing homeless addict if they dont want help we need more money spent on thesse even in canada the best way to help them is to force them or make living on the street such a hell that they go get help ps. More like make them get a job no 1 should spend a cent on thosse people

Stay in your lane Drake.

​@@SebastienChouinard-oq8vj you say that like a homeless person can find a job to pay them enough to live in the city

@@taffinjones8641 are they forced to live therre if you want to live in the big aple dont expect to aford it wotking at a fast food place even a toddler know that..

Like our health care system!

It's public property though 🙄

@@Maxrepfitgmyes it is there to be utilized by the public as a whole, not to be a bedroom for a select group of people

Have you seen these design decisions reverted? Here in SF, that hasn't happened.

Totally. I thought about doing a section about that and all the other forms, but left it out

Easiest fix is to build more housing and clear regulations and zoning to build more housing

False. WHO is going to pay for all this? The tax payer? You?

@@ILovePancakes24 the NIMBYs in SF will never allow that

@@FrosstKatt then when the housing market collapses and they end up underwater on their loans they can wonder why

Well said fenian! The cowardice displayed by politicians all over the country regarding homeless bums is revolting and pathetic!!!!!!!! :( I remember reading about the prevailing attitude in San Francisco of being compassionate. Well, what about the homeless having to show accountability? :(

its the worst trend yet you all vote for people who dont care about it, left and right. homeless arent all drug addicts, and there are families who live in their vans now because the rent is too high.

Criminalizing homelessness is not the answer either. Giving someone a criminal record on top whatever other problems they have just makes it even harder for them to pick themselves up.

That would require them to get a job or hustle, and maintain a mortgage. Phahahhahahahaaha

@@Aw3someOpZ Not actually. People who can't afford housing can still be housed.

@@Aw3someOpZ many homeless people do have jobs, they just dont pass as homeless when you have basic needs met you can be a functioning part of society eaier

Ah... but how do you intend on making people Behave ??.... and is it too much to ask that if. they are provided Shelter ... they Remain Sober ~ or is that Too much for you ??

@@michaelWells-ef9bx Their having shelter isn't preconditioned on anything. It's a human right, not a prize they win. Once they have shelter it becomes vastly easier (and cheaper) to address their other issues, including drug addiction. This has been shown again and again where it's been tried.

Of course not. But the drug dealing and homeless issue is worse than ever. Whatever you call it, it isn't working.

@@AdamDoesNotExist Pretty much everything you showed in the video was new. And SF has cleaned up remarkably in the last 6-9 months. So why do you say that it isn't working? The planters - new. The bus stops - new. The fare gates - new. The benches - new. etc. You get the picture. Try living here with all the drug dealing and unhinged drugged up crackheads for a while then we'll see how you sing.

Imagine that you're allergic to oranges and get rush because of that. You try to make your skin look better by putting a foundation on that rush AND at the same time you continue to eat oranges and even increase the consumption. It is a smart behavior? Hell NO. And that hostile architecture is the same. They spend a huge ammount of money to construct and install that and keep pumping housing prices up. There are 24 empty properties for 1 homeless person in the US. There is no shortage, just sheer greed.

The democrats do they don't care

@@AdamDoesNotExist The democrats don't care they seem to like it for some reason

Nah, they're the same people big dog. Imagine the inverse.

I don’t think he’s saying it’s bad. He’s saying how the way they’re addressing it is inefficient and a huge waste of money. He’s capturing how nothing is working well and what ideas are being used.

Exactly! Thank you

Assaulting people is "not ok." That's what the shopowner did with his water hose.

Unfortunately, it hasn't worked. And there isn't any more housing.

We'll never happen.They can't take their drugs with them

@@Wildman-zh8lg Why is that a requirement for housing? Wouldn't it be easier to recover from addiction disease if you had stable housing?

@@AdamDoesNotExistunfortunately housing won’t help 99% of these people. They need to be institutionalized in mass for their own safety and the publics. It’s very obvious every “progressive” approach is not even an attempt to resolve the issue. You cannot just give housing to mentally ill people, a huge portion of which have intense drug addiction. They need treatment, therefore the solution is to build many, nationwide MASSIVE drug rehabilitation/homeless housing relocation centers and if they can’t be corrected through that program they do not get to interact with the general public. Ever. These programs also CANNOT be permanent housing solutions UNLESS they can prove they’re fitness for society. Granted housing is more complex than this however there’s literally hundreds of millions of Americans struggling right now and not everyone is homeless, therefore proving some people have serious issues that run deeper than just the average issues affecting society. The US and the world cannot afford the ridiculous, dangerous worldview of the left, progressive, communist, marxist, liberal approach to this issue. Not to mention the OUTRAGEOUS abuse that happens through any of these homeless programs which in reality is just a homeless industrial complex. Most of these organizations just steal billions of dollars and quite literally enrich themselves off of tax payer dollars meant to actually fix the problem. Enough is enough. California has done MOST things wrong since the 60s and unfortunately, because they think they’re smarter and better than everyone else they feel they should keep doing EVERYTHING from an extremist left wing perspective. The state is a disaster and yet they feel they should export this ridiculous mindset that doesn’t even work in California and DEFINITELY doesn’t work in the rest of the world. That’s what happens when people spend generations being in a bubble separated from the real world. In comparison to everywhere else on earth, California is NOT normal and they do not handle problems in intelligent ways. Been living in this state for almost a decade and it never ceases to be shocking at the ridiculous level of insane and stupid things that people think is normal and ok smh

It is actually been proven that is true. NYC did this experiment about a decade back now. Giving housing no strings. Kept the support service and what happen was once they got a home they started seeking help. Funny. Once the experiment end it was never picked up. So European countries have used to help with there homeless. It still works. So many of thing that Europe does is stuff we came up with first. But we have to many people here that think no one should get a hand out

Amazing! Glad to have you here!

Hahaha. Anything can be made a toilet with a bit of creativity.

Which toilet would you suggest these people use?

@@ssbohio not our problem

​@@TCskatesThey'll just poop in your grass then. Problem solved. 😂

@@TCskates Not our problem, but our responsibility. Public sanitation is a community responsibility, and has been since at least Roman times.

Thank you! That means a lot to me. The work you're talking about it important. A lot of money is spent on symptoms in the bay area, not the actual cause. The result so far seems to be just a lot of frustration.

Aren't those a lot more expensive than shelters, drug programs, and mental health services?

Housing, even supportive housing, is much cheaper than prison.

Thank you!

I should clarify that Cathenge has not been a homeless hangout especially. That's not what I meant above. Homeless people do visit it, but they don't dominate it at all. The installation has been shared by people of all economic classes as far as I can tell, and people of all races, nationalities, and religions. I think that demonstrates that if one does make a pleasant space it doesn't mean that the homeless are just going to take it over. That hasn't happened at Cathenge at all

Cathenge is amazing! There’s a handful of things in the video that aren’t at all hostile design. They’re just there between scenes because SF has so much cool stuff to see. Thanks for your work!

You decide how much money goes to this by voting for the people that direct your tax dollars how you want. And if you pay any federal or state tax in the US, your money is paying for these services.

@@AdamDoesNotExist With respect, I haven't seen or heard political candidates promise " I will take your money to fund schools,maintain streets and bridges and distribute the rest as a "come one come all" endless open house for people who are not paying taxes? With respect, that politicians are voted into office and spend tax money as is useful to them does not answer the question of authority granted to homeless people to utilize public streets that they do not maintain by their efforts nor pay to maintain as their personal property. I can pay taxes on a commercial property that no one wishes to visit because of the refuse from and bodies that must be stepped through to access said property. In theory it is sensible to run one's personal finances as a business by not spending more than one's income. Taking a small percentage of that gross income to provide "for the public good" is reasonable. How is it good business to keep increasing the expenditure until an increasing number of people start to lose the ability to provide for themselves? Thank you for responding to my questions.

I bet we agree on more than we disagree. None of this is good business. SF wastes so much money on all of this. I completely understand why there are so many planters on the streets. But they aren't working. I saw a few people sitting on them dealing drugs. Anyone who lives in SF has seen that. It's frustrating.

@@AdamDoesNotExist A lateral problem. Theory being everything, those voted into office do what they promise as opposed to what suits them. In the past, political platforms were promises of actions to be taken as compared to now when the political rhetoric focuses on name calling and spending tax dollars to publicize each and every social faux pas while shielding or ignoring the inadequacy of role performance.

@@AdamDoesNotExist Yes. Problem solving is a skill. As with programmers and hackers, what one person devises another can destroy or overcome. As with some others of my generation, I have grandparents who used outhouses as children and hand pumps for water at the kitchen sink. I am fascinated with the question of what determines the rise and fall of prosperity in families. Non-fiction is not my daily go-to, however, I read "The Psychology of Money" by Morgan Housel recently and got "White Trash" by Nancy Isenberg from the "to sell" rack at the library and recommend them both. Perhaps it is hardest for those such as myself whose families could have but did not fall into depths of poverty that sucked away all energy needed to continue striving. And such musings do not solve immediate problems such as clearing streets of bodies camping out. Acknowledging that there is no "magic" to make it all go away, what actions do you see as possible beginning partial solutions to this issue? Thank you again for this discussion.

Thats so horrible. "Only old white people allowed here. Fuck off teenagers"

There is certainly a lot of work to be done!

@@AdamDoesNotExist agree with you. Have a great day brother. Hugs from Malaysia

I've seen the new "benches" on subway platforms. I'm sorry to hear it's been difficult for you.

Never been. To california but it's bad here in tucson arizona

Blame the homeless not the government. The homeless have ruined a lot of great things California once had. They destroyed our metro here in LA

Yup. That's what I said!

Thank you! That was pretty wild. A lot of people were pissed at how fast they were able to do it. The city has said for years that they're doing everything they can. But they just pushed people into other places, and today, it's basically back to the way it was before. They didn't actually solve anything.

its llike cleaning up before guests arrive at your house for a family party llol

Yes, this bothered me. The leadership finally decides to clean up for foreigners visiting, not for the taxpayers. Kinda tells me where their priorities lie.

There's a whole industry around 'rehab' etc.

There’s a lot of service providers in SF that take city money to provide those services. There isn’t much oversight into how that money is spent.

As someone who drove in San Francisco for Lyft, I can tell you that there are almost no public facilities. So, where are the homeless to do their business?

Most of this is downtown, and on market street, where homeless populations are more common. Those are the least nice places in SF. Everything outside of downtown it much nicer. There are almost no public restrooms for anyone.

I filmed so much stuff that didn't make it in the video. Once you know to look for it, it's absolutely everywhere.

The city has certainly 180’d on that

There's a brief shot in this video of someone sleeping on the lawn in front of City Hall. It's common!

Thank you!

Well said!!

Exactly. None of this has solved the actual problem. It only makes it worse. Now tents are in the middle of the sidewalk, planters are on the side, and everyday citizens have to walk around them in the street.

You don't have to dislike what others are doing. Want you do it yourself instead of making useless comments period I think I'll take my own advice.

They don’t want to work, they are drug addicts.

@@guyarrol582 Honestly, that was very good advice. And I comment here because I don't live there (thank God), and perhaps we citizens can help each other solve these problems. Unless you are an egotistical idiotic WOKE that makes everyone shut up unless they agree with them.

There's a really interesting article about a guy called Ralph who cleans a street in the tenderloin but doesn't want housing. He's one of a kind, or course: sfstandard.com/2023/12/16/san-francisco-homeless-man-cleans-street-7-years/

Nope will never happen because they cannot take their drugs with them

Really? Wow...that's so amazing bro.

Wow that helps a lot man. 😂

And what’s the point of that?

I wish! This is clearly an amateur version of his video. Glad you enjoyed it!

That’s a really interesting idea

I live in Oakland. So I share your frustration. Unfortunately none of these measures are actual solutions to the problem. They don't reduce crime or homelessness. They just make life worse for you and the homeless people that live in the city. The solution is criminalizing the things that make your life worse; prosecuting those crimes when they occur; holding city leaders and service providers accountable for what your tax dollars pay them to do; and voting in the people that have proven they can do that. The point of this video was to point out this design in SF. You could make a video about the solution. Sharing info like that really matters.

yes, it's the fault of people who literally have nothing, not even have a roof over their heads

@@davidvosspoor4694 You don't understand the bigger picture, do you? What happens when everyone who comes downtown to spend money is too afraid to visit? Sales tax stops being generated. Property taxes decrease because building values go down. The money used to run the current shelters and mental health programs goes away.

@@AdamDoesNotExist People who do not pay rent or own ,make life worse, put them in jail. Which is uncomfortable, people change their behavior to stay out of it.

You might like the book San Fransicko. He makes the same argument, that tough love is the best way to solve the problem, but he also points out that jails are more expensive than what's currently being done.