Yh that wouldve been a worse fate for him

That's worse than be judge by your father

What about Guiliman?

​@@Neopopulas what about vulkan

​@@missionslos8856 (Screams of a Small Eldar Child being immolated intensify)

What scared konrad so much was that the angel could forgive him and ask him to continue in his ways and ask him to redeem himself, somthing konrad thought impossible because of his guilt he believed he should die or his life to be impossible then to continue his mission. Because he didn't believe in himself and gave up. And when the angel gave him a second chance his certainty of the universe went out the window and he gives up again to let himself die to an assassin. That's the tragedy of Konrad

@@patrioticmink74 choosing to let an assassin take your head so you don’t turn to chaos is based- Konchad Curze

@@lordmouldybutt2712 He didn't choose, he avoided choosing the whole time to follow the prophecy he saw like it was a script for his life with no deviation. The problem is that the whole time he could choose, and after all he did, he could not accept that. He died with the ending he knew he had for a very long time. For if he killed the assassin, the knowledge of choice would've equally killed him (not as dead as the assassin though.)

Why does this sound like Rape?

Please sir, I must read the book this is from!

Was

Best Primarch

@@diegoestradahernandez2728 until games workshop wants to make a shitload of money

​@@cyclenitram7598 and the only one who get his own holiday

@@diegoestradahernandez2728 :'(

Guillimans most powerful ability: Being well adjusted

Like the angry marines say: "fuck rowboat girlyman"

Dorn had an adopted grandad that treated him well. He still keeps grandaddy's cape as a blankie

Angron and Gillman both Landed on an ancient Rome type planets, only their backgrounds change...

Vulkan and Dorn had good parents as well.

if he is proven redeemable, it will means that he was choosing to be evil for all this time, it would make himself even more irredeemable in his own eyes

​@@ihatethatrepairmen4255 plus of all the traitors he at least accepted his fate and hell he lives on through those who share his gift of the future such as decimus and talos

@@ihatethatrepairmen4255 in some ways, yes it was his choice but his final talk with Emps he is told that Big E made him to be horrible on purpose but the extent (both the depth and scale of ruthlessness were cranked up to 11 thanks to chaos’ interference). Plagued by horrid visions, “born” alone underground on a crime planet of perpetual night, and specifically designed to mete out justice and enforce compliance, he was screwed from the start however it was once he was integrated in the the Great Crusade that he began to realize that he was an unhinged monster with probable DiD and hated himself and his legion. I don’t think he believed he could change given how fatalistic he was about his visions, one can only imagine how he was about his actions

Most of all he wanted to prove that the other primarchs/the emp is no better than him

​@utes5532 was I wrong?

Well as always sang is right, he is nothing but a box of excuses to justify himself for being monstrous.

wait, so Conrad _might_ be alive?

@@elduquecaradura1468nah this happened right at the beginning or right before Horus heresy. Yeah nobody agreed with his methods or reasoning but Big E was well impressed with his results. Curze was recovered and continued to be a problem keeping Vulkan prisoner for a bit

​@@giantninja9173romg, it was just before the siege of terra, and way afyer the imperium secundis, the vulkan shot was right after the istvan masacre

When even the Purity -Mary Sue- Marty Stu of the setting chooses tough love, that's when you really _know_ you suck.

When he gets Curze to wonder if he'll actually die 👌

​@@SandmanofTerra how about Vulcan reminding him what his hammer do

@@lkcdarzadix6216 top tier moment for sure

@@SandmanofTerra int vs Wis hahaha

The Lion really just bullied Konrad and his legion during the HH lol

Very valid, many of primarchs share the same thought interestingly. Worth checking out the full video if that interests you

​@A Megalodon With Internet Connection Instead of Space Azrael. _nodnod_

Yeah he was kind of fucked the moment he landed on that hellhole Nostramo

@@Mkrause762how so? I did not read up on any of that so I don’t know anything.

@@daydreamdirty i've not read any relevant books, but from what I could gather, the whole planet of Nostramo had a crime rate of 110%. Curze landed there as a baby, and had to fight for his survival from day one. With no parental figure, he never really developed a moral compass, and in order to stop crime on the world, he turned to terror tactics, as these were the best to keep the populace in check.

Corax is proof that in the end, you make your own choices. Your environment can influence you yes, but it's up to you how much. It's why Konrad hated Corax too. His presence ruins all his excuses.

​@@spottedslash4256 Same goes to Dorn, he lived on a s***** planet, starting up the ground with no resources and reached space travel, but his Grandpa nourished him. He still became a great Primarch.

​@@paulandreig.sahagun34 didn't dorn really love his grandpa that he even had his grandpa blanket?

​@@spottedslash4256 and out of all the primarchs only a few saw the emporor for what he was and tried to be better Corax did his best to live by his axioms,as a liberator,hell even integrated those non astartes allys of his into his fleet Sanguinus was well, sanguinus. Vulkan struggled with his nature as a primarch and as a person,hell out of the primarchs,he, sanguinus and guilaman being the most human. And gman,oh bloody hell gman. Probably the only primarch who didnt grow up a psycho or something zealous. Hell his story is quite sad. A demigod raised by his kindred as a man, struggling between his nature and his humanity,desiring to do good. Hell out of all the primarchs,had gman not meet the emporor,he might have likely made ultramar into something that would put the inperium to shame. And out of the primarchs,guiliman has a power that is underated other then his logistical and tactical skills. Willpower. It was gmans willpower that carried him to fight like a demon aganst his enemys,his willpower and common sense that made him near incorruptible to chaos,and his willpower being what keeps him remotely sane. Honestly part of me wonders if guilaman might unlock his psychic powers more as each primarch,no matter what had power similar to perhaps sanguinus or curze in that he has a form of presience or the ability to process information and think faster then most primarchs,or perhaps gaining new powers through the emporors sword, such as cleansing chaos corruption or firing blasts of holy fire

to be fair he could have turned out decent if he would have anyone who gave a crap about him on nostramo. one of his visions was that if he spared that one kid (who he later realized had no way of harming him), he would have had a friend and genuine ally with who Konrad would have made nostramo better place.

Very cool! I've never checked out the card game so will have to take a look

Fate*

From a curious outsider looking in, that’s how I took it.

The point was to show Curze that he CHOSE to be a monster. That basically took Curze's soul to such a degree that he basically allowed himself to be killed by an imperial assassin.

Exactly. He didn’t feel he could or even should be forgiven after all the horrible things he had done. Konrad hated himself and this possibility would be painful. Uncertainty is also something Konrad does not take well

Konrad speculated to have a dual personality as well.

Yes it's something like "You don't believe in forgiveness, so our father would do the most horrible thing to you, which is forgive you. But you insist that you don't want forgiveness right? You believe you have to follow your forseen fate to the letter? Well I'm giving it to you, screw you and take your fate. You chose it"

The angel just probed that he wad a monster by choice and made posible the future where he dies by assasin instead of one where he redeems and fight for the loyalist or is executed on terra

And Erebus

If the Emperor were to be reborn, he could defeat chaos with a salvo of hugs and playing catch with his demon primarchs sons.

Tremendously underrated reference. The same line came to my mind. DEFINETELY the only thing left to do when you are ejected into space while still alive and trapped in forever. You are just done.

He was sus

Legends say that he still manifests a part of his soul to give Morty his annual can of deodorant

perturabo's birthday party is held by his machine guards, as his son's are too scared to approach him, so they just hold a party for themselves too

The answer would be Uncertainty, Sanguinius lived with Uncertanty but Kurzed hated it his whole life. The angel is always worried abut his mutated wings if he is a demon or not but still lived with it. Konrad hated having thoughts like that.

You mean where he runs like a bitch frim the lion scared of the beating he'll get? Lol

​@@Neopopulas Ayy man of culture I see.. Dune is definitely one of the best. 😊

​@@cheebai2583 Eyyy, Dune crew represent.💯 Historically speaking, there'd _be_ no 40K without punk, fetish culture, satirisation of roided-up 80s machismo, Thatcherism, & Dune.

Nah they are just bunch of cry babies cuz they know DE does everything they do but better

I'm a fan of the few legions that do what I'd do and just peace out. It's presented to everyone like they MUST pick a side but in my own experience that's pretty much never the case. You can always say "F this I'm leaving." It's why I live in an RV and I do it ALL the time. Sooo, if I had a starship under my command... 😁

I would enjoy them if they weren't just a bunch of murderers and rapists

He did. Sanguinius merely put him in a stasis coffib and ejected him into space.

Any of the the traitor primarchs turning loyal would be a huge blow to horus. But if Curze and his batlings stayed loyal the Ultramarines would be in a better shape, Lion possibly arrives on Terra in time, Vulkan is in a better shape, Conrad can bleed the supply lines of the heretics with his hit and run tactics but the biggest blow would have been Perturabo staying loyal, mans was hard carrying the heresy. If he somehow joined powers with Dorn the traitors would've died before they broke the gates of the imperial palace.

Wrong though

@@Dreadbringer Probably am

Literally everyone loved The Great Angel. Even Szarekh slid into his DMs, one time.

I will try and get round to it for sure! Though it is covered a bit in the full video if that helps!

My mans had mental health to spare, he could have certainly loaned some to his brother - if only they'd been close enough for him to hear Konrad's tortured soul _screaming_ as it blackened + shrunk inside the prison of his mind, before it was past too late.

@@mysterylovescompany2657 exactly, guilliman was the only one who was both human enough and intelligent enough to help kurze, Sanguinius didn't really know what to do with kurze even if he wanted to, corvus was too similar to kurze, the lion is an asshole and leeman would either not care or he'd approach the situation in the space wolf viking way of fist bumps and alcohol, which would just turn kurze off. Also guilliman would actually understand the value of the night lords and their moral standing much better than anyone else. They could've been inseparable brothers, it's so depressing how they barely interacted.

There a re two level on this. Conrad Curze had prophetic vision of the emperor sending an assassin to kill him. Convinced it was his fate to die that way, he did all those horrible things, killing billions of people, out of vengeance against his destined death (dude had issue) Sanguinius, who also has the ability to foresee the future, reveal to him he had a prophetic vision of his own, where the emperor doesnt kill him that way, but forgive him instead. And just like that, he proves Conrad Curze entire philosphy of life wrong. Fate doesnt exist, we shape it with our choices, and the future Conrad Curze foresaw was the one he was building for himself by being an angsty serial killer. But just because Sanguinius can see a futur where Conrad Curze is forgiven does not necessarily means he wants that future to happens. Again, Curze has killied billions and people and betrayed humanity. Dad wants to forgive him? Cool, but i dont, you dont deserve this fate. And so he space him, destroying that hope of forgiveness for Konrad.

@@romualdcaffeserre6230 thank you so much for taking the time to explain this, very helpful! And tragic, I love it

That's correct yeah. Check out this video for more info: kzfaq.info/get/bejne/jtl5iqWFsrC9pXk.htmlsi=S3mn81pqGtj2rIxQ

Now that would have been a sight to see. Him becoming the true seeker of justice he was mean to be

Shan't! 😄

I think he survives being airlocked