I'm making my own arcade stick so all I've been doing is watching comparison videos for different sticks, buttons and switches.

3:30am for me

It's actually 1 am for me holy shit lol

@@3amcucumbertech Same

3:08am haha

No, it's far from scientific.

My issue with the stock Sanwa JLF lever is not the control aspect of it in general terms. I don't ride or grind the gate or anything if that's what you are referencing. Doing Fireballs and Dp motions basic/intermediate combos isn't my dilemma. What I am talking about is when it comes to doing high execution combos that have multiple 1-frame links, require nearly instant dashes/running and also need extremely fast neutral/throw/centering its just feels impossible. I have a Seimitsu LS-40 on the way and also a octo plate with a 1mm oversized actuator for the JLF coming as well. I am forced to switch the stock square restrictor gate that comes with the JLF for the octo gate because the oversized actuator does not work properly with the default square gate. My issue basically with stock JLF is the input quickness is far too slow to be able to do the Hardest of Hard combos their are (talking about older games from the harder execution era). Like Evil Ryu 1 frame link combos in SF4 for example. Can do them on D-pad Dual Shock by the way. SFV and modern fighting games are easy in general (does not matter the control device really) and pretty much require juggle timing mostly not lighting fast inputs with extremely small link combo windows if that makes sense.

hayabusa has too large backlash

eso es normal pablo

heavier spring works somewhat. I prefer sanwa or seimitsu sticks

Pero la JLF no marca bien las vueltas, ya le cambié el actuador y sigue fallando, que recomiendas?

@@evilk99 Idk if you can translate this in your app too, but maybe try out a few different gates. There's also mod kits you can buy with different grommets for things like return to center. Basically to make jlf's and hayabusa's mimic other stick designs

it prob would be kinda uncomfy since it’s shorter and that would mean depending on ur hand size ur fingers would be kinda crushed together

@@omegawaffles7348 yeah 3lb spring was stupid! For me at least, I've gone back to stock jlf stock. Stock Ls - 40, stock ls-32 as I have an actual astro city cab now think it's best but each to their own.

yes a sanwa will fit

Yes. They use the same 5 pin connector.

LS-62 by seimitsu is my personal favorite. nice and short and octagonal gate options.

@@Fundando thanks dude, turns out that's exactly what I ordered yesterday! Ha

bro where and wich actuator can i buy

@@SpeerKING Kowal oversized actuator, but tbh since this comment I've went back to a stock Hayabusa and just control the stick better with my fingers to prevent wobbling. Would highly recommend getting some stick grease and applying it though. The Hayabusa felt so much smoother after that.

Yea bro i am thinling about a 2lb spring and still try a oversize actuator just for trying, because i wana try to play with less deathzone

@@SpeerKING Yeah, go for it. Hayabusa is a super solid base for those mods

I just wired each joystick so that engaging it would complete the circuit for the lights.

If you watch the video you see me testing with a stiffer spring. Any stiffer than that it gets too uncomfortable to play.

With the stock spring i don't get any opposite inputs, idk if it was mounted wrong or what the issue was

i get it all the time and just switched it to sanwa jlf. hori rap 4 too

@@user-yj5zw4gb8s I have the Hori Alpha now and still no problem with opposite direction on releasing the lever. Maybe its something to do with technique..

JLF with octagon gate is great and you can't go wrong. Depending on personal preference I would add a heavier spring as well.

My issue with the stock Sanwa JLF lever is not the control aspect of it in general terms. I don't ride or grind the gate or anything if that's what you are referencing. Doing Fireballs and Dp motions basic/intermediate combos isn't my dilemma. What I am talking about is when it comes to doing high execution combos that have multiple 1-frame links, require nearly instant dashes/running and also need extremely fast neutral/throw/centering its just feels impossible. I have a Seimitsu LS-40 on the way and also a octo plate with a 1mm oversized actuator for the JLF coming as well. I am forced to switch the stock square restrictor gate that comes with the JLF for the octo gate because the oversized actuator does not work properly with the default square gate. My issue basically with stock JLF is the input quickness is far too slow to be able to do the Hardest of Hard combos their are (talking about older games from the harder execution era). Like Evil Ryu 1 frame link combos in SF4 for example. Can do them on D-pad Dual Shock by the way. SFV and modern fighting games are easy in general (does not matter the control device really) and pretty much require juggle timing mostly not lighting fast inputs with extremely small link combo windows if that makes sense.

You will need to switch the Square gate for a Octo gate if you are going to add the Kowal 1mm oversized actuator. Apparently the oversized actuator does not work properly with the default square gate in the JLF. It gets stuck in the corners from what I have read on forums and what not.

get an oversized actuator

It's probably just the string. Buy a weaker one.

@Stefano Pavone I don't think I will be using Seimitsu joysticks. I just used the Hayabusa joystick and a tighter spring.

I just picked up an led wire with battery pack already pre-assembled and bypassed the on off switch.

Hoping to have those in my inventory at some point.

It's an SE plate (straight plate) and the plexi is too thick to have the LS-32 at the right height. Most arcade cabinets in Japan came stock with Sanwa mounts but almost all manufacturers had an option for a panel with a Seimitsu mount. All cabinets that had the Seimitsu option used the LS-32 with an SS plate. The Seimitsu mount had wider mounting points so that the curved SS plate could touch the panel where the joystick was and could be screwed in at the bended ends. Mostly only cabinets that couldn't fit the LS-32 used the compact LS-33 (now evolved to LS-55,56,58,62 but all still use the LS-33 PCB) And 99% of arcade sticks now come with a Sanwa/Hori mount and Seimitsu sticks are then too low on the stick. It depends though if you prefer a really low stick. But to install Seimitsu sticks properly: The compact stick SS plate fits at least Hori mounting plates at two points at the center but since it doesn't have theads you just have to buy a screws+nuts To install LS-32 is trickier since you have to either make a wider mount to fit the SS plate or delete the current mounts and screw the SE plate directly on the panel.

@@epicon6 appreciate the knowledge drop there 🕹 👍🏻

+UKONOU DARTHLORD It all depends on personal preference, but currently I do not think the Hayabusa is worth the extra $10 price premium over its competition. If you are looking for something with short throw, stiffer spring and Octagonal gate I recommend the Seimitsu LS-56-01 and buying the official octagonal gate for it or a JLF with heavier spring and 1mm oversized delrin actuator. Also, I personally own the kowal oversized actuator and octogonal gate. The Kowal actuator is prone to failure and will create plastic "dust" in your joystick from normal use. The gate feels flimsy and I will wait for a better solution.

@@Fundando How does the oversized actuator leave dust behind when it is made of Nylon? I have tried to dig up as much info about the Kowal oversized actuator and you are the ONLY person I have found on the entire internet that has made such a comment. I am not doubting you, I am just wondering why literally no one else have mentioned this "plastic dust" I just ordered a Kowal, a Octo plate, for the JLF and am eager to install them. I am never playing or touching a stock JLF lever ever ever again. It is much to slow with its throw range to perform extremely fast High execution combos from my testing so far. In my opinion and experience I would much rather use a normal D-pad controller than a stock JLF lever. I cleared SF4 trials with all characters with a regular Sony Pad Controller and would not have a snowballs chance in hell in achieving this accomplishment with a Stock JLF. No way not in this lifetime LMAO

it definitely could, but I havent tried it myself

Not a fan of it myself

Helgen X hey dude, what's is your opinion for the JLF-YP-8Y Sanwa? Thanks

It's a classic stick for Japanese cabs and is usually included with most joysticks released these days. It has a very long throw but not as much as a standard US Happ type stick. Most likely the entry level up to pro level stick most use. A good purchase. You can adjust spring to the level of "weight" you want the throw to feel like, but I'd say don't start doing that till you actually know what you're doing.

My Hori is fine, must just be you.

it is still possible you might be getting the opposite input. you might want to replace or try a slightly stiffer spring.

there are a variety of shaft sizes among different sticks

thanks!

not really as I would've had to wire a joystick to a pcb for each.

Fundando, this is true. Didn't think about this.

Basically you just take the stock gate off and use a drill to make holes where the screw holes are. It is not the most ideal solution. Use this instead and use the octoganal gate insert. paradisearcadeshop.com/gates/1798-hayabusa-universal-gate-plate-paradise-hugs.html

Doc Awful for real, I've been on the fence for a while to make the jump from sanwa to seimitsu, but this video just sealed the deal, I'll be swapping all of the sanwa components of my working Omni stick for seimitsu parts.

Sanwa JLF is the king

It is all personal preference. My favorite is the Seimitsu LS-56 with an octogonal gate.

Pete HrapStick Seems most mass produced sticks aren't deep enough for Korean style levels without modifying.

Because everyone already knows Fanta sticks are Fantastick 👌

i know i'm almost a year late but he did mention he fitted them with the same spring, aka not stock spring

My RAP V Doesn't hit opposites either... Who would even let go of the stick in a fighting game anyways? Lol

its very important in tekken

Also for 3rd strike, red parrying.

I use RAPV. It does.

best stick if you play virtua fighter 5

Thinking about it, "while rising" does seem like the better term (Tekken 7 uses it in its in-game move lists), but what're ya gonna do. :/ Maybe we should've all just adopted that NumPad notation like the Soul Calibur community...

Justin Sison I used to hate the hayabusa stick until I put a 2lb spring in it. Just that alone changed everything for me.

"While Standing" makes zero sense and conflicts with notation within the game. The command list has said "While Rising" since Tekken 2. TZ uses "While Standing" because they chose to use "WR" for "While Running" which is retarded because they could have just called it "Running" or just "R". Zero sense and zero foresight. It's obnoxious as hell but since TZ is so big, everyone uses their stupid terminology.

LS-40-01 from Seimitsu, short throw, lower dead zone!

Thank you for helping Bro, LS-40-01 is better than ls-56?

_ Ryu - PoP _ That depends! LS-56 is stiffer, both had short travel, lower engage, less dead zone etc... both sticks are great. You had the LS-58, it´s a LS-56 with a softer spring and more options for shaft´s colors.The LS-40 is the lever from Neo Geo cabinets, then you have the LS-32 which remeber the Sanwa JLF. Seimitsu has so much options.

my new favorite is Seimitsu LS-56. Really tight and responsive.

Fundando thanks, I'll look into that one!

trickyhero I am loving my seimitsu ls-56-01 with a octogate. It felt weird with a squaregate because I kept jumping by accident.

If you stretch the spring you will make it firmer

My Hori is nice and tight, you must have something wrong.

Elias Martínez I personally love the ls62 and it might be my favorite. Little to no deflection.

@@Fundando I haven't tried yet but I read everything about it, I will have the LS-62 within a few days.

I recommend a Seimitsu LS-40. It has the same high level quality of the LS-32 but returns exactly to the middle, has a short throw (not too short) has a taller shaft than LS-32, fixes the LS-32 pivot popping issues because it has a better pivot and the microswitches are lower on the body, has the same sping as on the LS-32 but is fitted tighter so it feels a bit stiffer. And had the best (least) dead zone on the pivot.

my favorite seimitsu is ls-62 for and even tighter feel

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This is true in most cases. When playing I did find the Hori stick to feel a little mushier though.

what amean musher?

Im getting the real arcade pro kai to but i dont care what it feels like because this is my first decent arcade stick you just have to get use to it

It is a solid piece of equipment. It is also easy enough to change out parts if you ever need a different feel.

+D3Vlicious Please help me understand. The LS-32 is mounted on a flat plate with no space between the top panel. If I mounted it on an s plate I do not see how that would change the performance.

He didn't say it it would change performance, it's still mounted incorrectly though. Needs an S plate obviously, they should be the same height as JLF.

LS-32 and LS-40 are mounted flush with the panel. The JLF and the LS-56 should have about 5mm between the panel and the mount.

+D3Vlicious Thank you. I will keep that in mind for follow ups.

I can't argue there

Did you buyed cheap buttons to?I'm looking forward to make one

Noobstars21 yes buy the cheap stuff no need to buy some expensive buttons or joysticks.

Whatever suits you. The only advantage of buying premium parts (as with any other premium item) is that it will last longer while keeping the quality. But if you dont play that many fighting games then any stick will do fine.

don't go and get me demonitized lol

Leave your knob alone...

hahahaha

Round bat tops are american, not korean

Skeptic Gamer the hayabusa are in the tekken 7 Arcade cabinets ;)

This is VERY important. I know from experience.