I discovered Dr Sara Pugh last week, now I'm hooked! I'm so excited about her work and the fantastic analogies she uses for lay people like myself. Having recently gone carnivor for many health reasons, her knowledge, I feel will help me to really make the most of my time here on earth.... buzzing!

Wow, what a stimulating and joyful conversation. I always find Dr. Sara interesting to listen to, and Cameron, you are a great interviewer. Bravo to both 👏

This is one of the best podcasts I have heard for a while

Oh I would be very interested to hear Sara give a talk on Angels,magic etc. This to me goes hand in hand with her talk today.

Great to see the emphasis on how much we don't know and that photobiomodulation for specific applications (narrow-band) is not the same as daylight with all its dynamic changes throughout the whole spectrum! Just within the usual near-infrared range for PBM, antagonistic effects on ATP production can be observed at 50nm wavelength difference - and these are always counterbalanced in natural light in some intricate way that we don't understand. So a narrow-band LED spike will most likely upset that balance (can be good for a clinical purpose, but not for general health or for replacing daylight). The same holds most likely for the rest of the spectrum... So the singular focus of the PBM mainstream on facilitating ATP production is near-sighted in a similar way to how the academic mainstream only looks at the melanopsin story when talking about non-visual effects of light. Awesome work and great interviews, thank you!

Wonderful podcast, I was able to comprehend nearly all that you both discussed and found this fascinating. Thank you🤗

Yes, Yes, Yes, Thank you. Given that, the more I know, the more I know I don't know, about the complexity of the systems of life, curiosity drives it all. It is fascinating. Gaining a working sense of what you have been so aptly describing, I now am better at asking questions that I have had nearly my whole life. I'm 78 now, but in my low twenties, had frequently gotten very high during a five year period. I had grown up fascinated by the scientific methodology as a way of seeing the world, and this informed my experiences into that vast realm of 'getting very high'. I often observed a perception of purple 'haze' surrounding people, and a qualitative (seemingly) variation in different individuals. Now, perhaps I am finally beginning to clarify the quantum-ness of the variations observed. Was I perceiving the real light emission of mitochondrial functionality expressed as purple light glow? Is that color strength and quality strongly correlative with the degrees of mitochondrial 'wellness'? Was I attracted to individuals that glowed purple strongly, than to those of more pale shades? It always did seem so, but I'd love to have deeper scientific clarity about the quantum biology involved! And interpersonal attractions, while not that high, may have guided my way forward through life socially. Onward, and upward. Thank you both.

Love Dr Sara!

Fantastic

💯 thank you 💚

So many wonderful new perspectives, esoteric & quantum ideas expressed - beautiful!

Yes, joy of recognition of vast depths of complexity, but seemingly not just chaos, but 'logic' of physics... and life. I feel I'm in the second grade thinking I may not graduate this year, and all my friends, relatives, and potential relations are in painful need of information that could enable them feeling better. And, I'm dreaming, yet wanting to help them move out of the path of that loaded dumpcruck approaching with failed brakes. Hmmmm, such is life.

Sara should move to the Caribbean....

She’s so right at the end about engaging the ‘layperson’ through sharing the esoteric occult stuff, this is exactly how I became fascinated by the science of it all. I’m totally unacademic but it all resonates so deeply, I love Dan winter & Rupert sheldrake and now discovering people like Dr Jack Kruse. My vho is that the academics & professional scientist will be the last to embrace this paradigm shift in what we know about EVERYTHING, it’s too much for their egos to take unfortunately.

Amazing. Well done

Sara...might consider...the Action Spectra and Absorption spectra of all the fundamental molecules. I she do this...she will tie a ribbon for the past 75 yrs...Sara...don't forget Morley Robbins...Alexander Wunsch....started looking into the action spectra of some molecules....

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49:37 You were just about the explain why you stopped looking into the work of Arturo Sollis. I'd love to hear you compete that thought, what made you cease pursuing his work?

... quality

I can't comment on all the fringe (not "cutting edge") science with the intense hand-waving jargon, but I do know that water does not "shrink" as temperature goes up. It expands and its density decreases just like most substances. The inversion occurs between 0 and 4 degrees C. which are not temperatures in the human body. I appreciate you giving some books that I can read, process, and evaluate.

All I know is that I have been on the same dosage of opiods for like 7 years. I use the NIR on my legs and the rest of the body. On some days I will use for a half hr to an hr. I went out to eat with like 10 people everyone pretty much had the same thing to eat. When I came home my whole body felt clammy. I used the NIR box for like an hour hitting different parts of the body. The next day all of the other people were vomiting and shitting on themselves. Not I. I do not care what anybody states let your body determine how long you use it. When the opiods quit working hit it with the NIR and the pain goes to zero. The Individual who has made a career in Photobiomodulation states he has no problem with putting it on his head or length of time. So who knows.

You made an impression at Max’sChannel👍

who cares whether people get upset. Don't be so pathetic. Just say the truth