Great review! You helped me pull the trigger on these, thank you 😀 Picked these up in a men's US 12 this morning and just finished my first run in them; 10k on super loose and chunky undulating terrain..lots of rocks, dirt, roots and gravel. The ride was amazing and the stability was way better than I anticipated given the height of the sole. Very comfortable all the way out and back. Love the one piece tongue and glove-like fit! They were a bit warm (today was sunny and near 80F) but up here in Alaska that won't be an issue for most of the year. As far as weight goes, they felt comparatively similar in weight to my Lone Peak 4s, so I didn’t really take issue with that. Now, I should disclose that I'm not a huge Saucony guy, so I didn't have the experience or expectations that a lot of die-hard Saucony fans likely have, so who knows, maybe I would have hated them, but being new to Saucony and having been an Altra guy for nearly a decade, I was pleasantly surprised with this, my first go at a more "traditional" shoe in 10 ten years. I'm new to the "speedroll" technology as well, but man, did it sure feel like it was working to me! Granted, this was my first run in them, but so far I am super pleased and the performance and feel were exactly what I'd hoped they would be, in fact, they exceeded my expectations 🤙
@Run4Adventure3 жыл бұрын
Hi Rene, Really glad you are enjoying your Endorphin Trail. I thinks it's actually a pretty good shoe, the issue comes when you've spent some time in the Endorphin Speed road shoe. Everyone loves this shoe and was hoping for a similar feel in a trail shoe especially when it carries the Endorphin name. Unfortunately that's not what Saucony where thinking when they made the Endorphin Trail. It has a very different feel and that's what left some runners a bit dissapointed 🤔 I've run a fair bit of mileage in the shoe now and it has grown on me quite a lot 👍 Thanks for watching and taking the time to comment it's appreciated 🙏
@lifewithabiologist54713 жыл бұрын
Aside from the type of foam, it seems to be a trail shift rather than a trail speed. Coming from regular trail shoes the extra weight doesn't scare me at all, but I see how it's surprised people expecting a speed with lugs.
@Run4Adventure3 жыл бұрын
It's definitely more like the Shift when it comes to comparing the Endorphin Trail to the road Endorphin line up 👍 An Endorphin Speed with lugs is what I was hoping for 😔 Thanks for watching and taking the time to comment it's appreciated 🙏
@lifewithabiologist54713 жыл бұрын
I would have been super excited had it been an Endorphin Speed with lugs, although I don't consider it a waste of a shoe as is, I do see missed potential...
@lifewithabiologist54713 жыл бұрын
I think the Xodus is the better shoe for the price from Saucony for a high stack trail shoe.
@hufemeve Жыл бұрын
I got me a pair recently because the price was a bargain ($50 dollars) so I had 2 runs completing 25k and quite frankly - they're nice for non-technical trails where you can have a nice pace OR just for a weekend hike. If you're running, I noticed they're not that good over rocky or technical surfaces (don't work very well on wet surfaces) because of the outsole & the way the logs are placed. other than that, they're OK but not great as other Saucony shoes or other brands like HOKA.
@nicktrueman3 жыл бұрын
Bit of a tangent, but I'm currently running the Brooks Catamount and to me that's succeeding in doing what people thought the Endorphin Trail would, ie take elements from a speed shoe and translate them to trail. I've found them light, responsive, firm but still comfy (even up to 50k) and you've got the same DNA Flash midsole from the Hyperion Tempo and Elite. Very underrated shoe IMHO that seems to go under the radar. Only downside is price. Enjoyed your take on the Endorphins, even if there's a bit of disappointment there 👍
@Run4Adventure3 жыл бұрын
Your right Nick the Catamount is a nice feeling trail shoe. I personally think the grip does let it down a bit, especially in wetter, muddier conditions but it feels good to run in. Thanks for watching and taking the time to comment it's appreciated 🙏
@nicktrueman3 жыл бұрын
Yeah I can see that, fortunately the trails by me are quite tame and the shoes are handy for a bit of road to trail too. In fairness they coped well at Serpent Trail in all the mud 🐍 (albeit I'm very much a steady mid-packer and not attacking anything at great speed 😅)
@sp1keNARF3 жыл бұрын
I don’t even run why can’t I stop watching these videos
@Run4Adventure3 жыл бұрын
Love it, thanks so much for watching and never say never! 🙏😊
@terrypursey44473 жыл бұрын
Thanks for all the advice and chat at PB RUNNING this morning. Will be taking my new endorphin trails out on the cornish Coast path tomorrow to kick start the mileage for my centurion race prep.
@Run4Adventure3 жыл бұрын
No worries Terry, thanks for popping in and supporting the shop 👍 Really hope you enjoy your new Endorphin Trails and best of luck with your race 🏃♂️💪 Thanks for watching!
@soapdodger673 жыл бұрын
I would have been tempted to buy these off the endorphin name as I love the speed & pro. I’ll stick with my tried and tested peregrines. Another great review.
@Run4Adventure3 жыл бұрын
I think a lot of people are thinking the same thing and will be a bit dissapointed David 😔 Thanks for watching and taking the time to comment it's appreciated 🙏
@wesarnold24083 жыл бұрын
Endorphin Shift is one of my favourite daily trainers and upon seeing first pictures it always looked like a trail version of the Shift which as a long run/ultra trail shoe sounded perfect. I didn’t have any expectations of it being the Speed equivalent of the trails. But The outsole seems to be in conflict with the speedroll. As the speed roll would only really come into its own on firmer ground then those lugs would be overkill, likewise when the lugs come into their own on sloppy technical terrain, you won’t have the footing to make use of the speedroll - just seems to be a big contradiction in purpose between these two elements. I suffer with hot feet and I think my pinkies would boil in that over engineered upper. I would be tempted to get it but I think in Saucony’s own lineup I’d be more tempted with the new Xodus 11 as a long run shoe. Anyway, that’s all academic now as I just ordered the Salomon Ultra Glide 😬
@Run4Adventure3 жыл бұрын
If you suffer from hot feet Wes this is definitely not the shoe for you! 🥵 As far as the Speed roll goes you do only really notice it on flatter sections of trail, where it actually works really well. The outsole doesn't really get in the way and it does offer a good level of traction on jyst about everything! I think you've chosen the right shoe anyway 😉 Thanks for watching and taking the time to comment it's appreciated 🙏
@alansmith17163 жыл бұрын
Loving the check pattern but it's a monster of a shoe! So excited about this shoe, love the Endorphin range, such a shame it didn't deliver. It's the Ultra Glide for me then. Great review as always, thanks for sharing!
@Run4Adventure3 жыл бұрын
The shoe definitely looks great and it gets a lot of attention when you're running on it! It is a really shame, I like you had high hope for the shoe 😔 On the plus side the Ultra Glide is a really good shoe 😊 Thanks for watching and taking the time to comment it's appreciated 🙏
@stacylamb56073 жыл бұрын
Oh that’s a bummer. I sure hope Saucony sees this review so they can make corrections to improve this trail shoe. I ran in the Peregrine yesterday for the first time and I love them . it was so nice seeing Liga join you for a run.. see you in the next video.
@Run4Adventure3 жыл бұрын
It is a shame Stacy, I had really high hopes for the Endorphin Trail 😔 Really glad you enjoyed your run in your Peregrines, it's a good shoe 👍 Thanks for watching and supporting the channel 🙏
@GuyStrumtza3 жыл бұрын
Thanks it’s a great review 😀 i have the peregrine 11 and i love this shoes i think they are an excellent trail shoe so i really want to take for testing the endorphin trail. 💪
@Run4Adventure3 жыл бұрын
Thanks Guy, really gkad you enjoyed the review. The Peregrine is a solid trail shoe that's for sure but the Endorphin Trail is a very different shoe! Thanks for watching the channel it's appreciated 🙏
@paulmulks3 жыл бұрын
I have literally just purchased these from my local run shop! Ooooh they feel good, can't wait to get out in them this weekend, whoop whoop 🤣
@Run4Adventure3 жыл бұрын
Really hope you enjoy them Paul. Let us know how you get on with yours, thanks for watching 🙏
@paulmulks3 жыл бұрын
@@Run4Adventure Will do buddy 👍🏻
@nunoborgesdias6332 Жыл бұрын
What to say? is Saucony, either road or trail, Saucony is the best running shoes in the market currently! great video.
@theyracemesohardchair Жыл бұрын
No
@wazzabirch67223 жыл бұрын
Cheers Lloyd, I think I have made my mind up. Salomon Ultra Glide for me.
@Run4Adventure3 жыл бұрын
The Ultra Glide is a really nice shoe, I hope you can get hold of some because Salomons stock is terrible! Thanks for watching and taking the time to comment it's appreciated 🙏
@apocreg113 жыл бұрын
It’s bizarre they embargo us! Always find your view useful as you know what Uk winters are like for terrain for a trail shoe
@Run4Adventure3 жыл бұрын
I know Richard, I really don't understand why they do it? 🤔 Thanks for the kind words and for supporting the channel its really appreciated 🙏
@Predazord0073 жыл бұрын
It’s a good looking shoe, but that weight is monster. Would be interested to see a comparison between this shoe, Salomon Ultra Glide and inov8 G300.
@Run4Adventure3 жыл бұрын
It is a bit of a tank! I'll definitely be doing some comparison videos featuring the Endorphin Trail Dean so watch this space 😊 Thanks for watching and supporting mate 🙏
@TheOnlyTrueYeti3 жыл бұрын
And why not ad the Hoka Speedgoat and Altra Olympus to the comparison
@23mmroadie493 жыл бұрын
Great review, thanks. Have my first 50miler coming up and I have Salomon S/Lab Ultra 3 which is great for short and fast but would like some more midsole. Would you rate Endorphin Trail or Ultra Glide for that? Thanks so much
@Run4Adventure3 жыл бұрын
Thanks really glad you enjoyed the video. If you like you S Lab ultra 3's then it would have to be the Ultra Glides 👍 It's a really good shoe for distance but you get that great Salomon lock down around the midfoot. Hope this helps and thanks for watching the channel. Good luck with your first 50 miler 🙏😊
@23mmroadie493 жыл бұрын
@@Run4Adventure thanks so much - yes I find the Salomon upper is great.
@sol0293 жыл бұрын
These may be my shoes for next winter.
@Run4Adventure3 жыл бұрын
I personally think it would make a much better winter shoe 👍 The upper woukd definitely keep your feet warm. Thanks for watching 🙏
@davidodoherty3493 жыл бұрын
Hey Loyd. What's the Solomon backpack that you're wearing? Another great video. Keep up the good work 🙂
@Run4Adventure3 жыл бұрын
It was an old Salomon S Lab 2 set! It's about 6 years old and still going strong 😊 Thanks for watching and supporting the channel its really appreciated David 🙏
@andrewwright36763 жыл бұрын
They maybe a shoes I would consider buying for the winter months until then I will be sticking to the Torrent 2 being lighter and cheaper on the bank balance.
@Run4Adventure3 жыл бұрын
I think it would run better in winter conditions Andrew. The Torrent is a pretty constant trail shoe at a really good price 😊 Thanks for watching 🙏
@jeffloflin63163 жыл бұрын
Great Review! Just bought a pair trying to fill a niche for cushioned/trainer for not so technical trails. Saucony would do well to get Lloyd's phone number. Great ideas for improving the next version!!
@Run4Adventure3 жыл бұрын
Thanks Jeff, glad you enjoyed the review. I've run a lot more miles in the Endorphin Trail since the first impressions review. Now I've got over the fact that it's not what I thought the shoe was going to be it's actually running ok. It still definitely needs to be a bit lighter and more breathable though 👍 How are you finding yours? Thanks for watching 🙏
@jeffloflin63163 жыл бұрын
@@Run4Adventure I really like what's under my feet, cushioning, rocker feel great. Nailed it. I so wish the upper was the same. Forefoot lock down is lacking but to be fair I have a narrower foot. Funky colorway is great as well.
@Run4Adventure3 жыл бұрын
@@jeffloflin6316 Glad you're enjoying them Jeff 👍
@Nbstevens783 жыл бұрын
Looks well enough.. but 155 notes and no rock plate... bit of a risk for the lakedistrict fells... top vid and honest reviews as always bud...
@Run4Adventure3 жыл бұрын
Thanks, really glad you liked the review. To be fair to the shoe it doesn't really need a rock plate because of the deep midsole offer a good level of protection anyway 😊 It is pretty expensive at £155! Thanks for watching and taking the time to comment it's appreciated 🙏
@Nbstevens783 жыл бұрын
@@Run4Adventure fair shout with the mid sole Lloyd... bit like speedgoat.... still a few hours over leg 3 and 4 will eat them alive
@Jameswmin3 жыл бұрын
I guess the reason for the embargo is that it gives Saucony another burst of content about the shoe around the UK release date. I’m thinking about trail shoes for ultras, but more likely to go for something from Salomon, Adidas or Brooks.
@Run4Adventure3 жыл бұрын
You are probably right James but it's very frustrating! The Salomon Ultra Glide would definitely be worth looking at for a distance trail shoe. Thanks for watching and taking the time to comment it's appreciated 🙏
@ianl45183 жыл бұрын
ooh that's a solid 'no' from me. The looks, the price and the heft put me off. That and I'm pretty convinced my feet don't really get on with Saucony. I won't be replacing my Peregrine 10s with the 11s. My first thought when I saw it was that it was a winter version!
@Run4Adventure3 жыл бұрын
It does feel a bit like a winter shoe Ian, built for snowy, cold conditions. I really feel Saucony could have done a better job on the Endorphin Trail 🤔 Thanks for watching and taking the time to comment it's appreciated 🙏
@michaelalbrecht33953 жыл бұрын
I need to get my ass on a plain and go to England and run run run
@Run4Adventure3 жыл бұрын
I do live and run in a pretty Epic place Michael, I'm a very lucky boy! Thanks for watching and I'm glad you enjoyed the views 🙏😊
@jamstaa693 жыл бұрын
Nice review as always.. they look a chunky shoe.. are those Peregrines Liga is wearing? How are they doing/feeling with the distance?
@Run4Adventure3 жыл бұрын
Thanks very much, glad you enjoyed the video. The Endorphin Trail is definitely a bit chunky! Yes Liga lives her Peregrines she ran the 100k in them, I'd say she's probably run 250-300 miles in them and they are still feel good 😊 Thanks for watching 🙏
@BanjoStu3 жыл бұрын
I think most people feel the same way as you from what I've seen, underwhelmed and slightly disappointed by it. When Saucony announced this shoe I like most people thought it would be like a trail version of the Speed or Pro, but it seems more akin to the Endorphin Shift. Hopefully Saucony listen to the reviews and release the shoe a lot of us want, an Endorphin Speed with lugs. Thinking about it, there's a Vibram resoler near me, I wonder if they could fit some Vibram Megagrip to a pair of Speeds? 🤔
@Run4Adventure3 жыл бұрын
It seems that way Stuart 👍 As far as putting a Vibram outsole on your Endorphin Speeds goes, I wouldn't bother it would be the most unstable trail shoe you've ever run in. The midsole of the Speed has to much lateral and medial roll for uneven terrain, it would definitely be an ankle breaker! 😂 Thanks for watching mate 🙏
@BanjoStu3 жыл бұрын
@@Run4Adventure haha, I know, it would be a sure fire way of getting a trip to A&E. That's why I'm not a shoe designer. 😂 I do think they need to do something more akin to an Endorphin Speed Trail though, stabilising the midsole slightly.
@Run4Adventure3 жыл бұрын
@@BanjoStu I totally agree, the Endorphin Trail should definitely feel more like the Endorphin Speed road shoe. I'm sure Saucony will come up with some big changes in the Endorphin Trail 2 😉
@gearshopoxalis Жыл бұрын
my feet are 27cm should i wear size 42.5 or 43. Help me. Thanks
@Run4Adventure Жыл бұрын
Sorry, I don't know the answer to this? 🤔
@Thespecificgeneralist3 жыл бұрын
Keen to hear about the grip in the wet. Is it like the Nike TK? So disappointed with this shoe on face value, as were most, I was expecting endorphin level kicks :(
@Run4Adventure3 жыл бұрын
The grip on all Nike Trail shoes is very suspect!! Infact it's terrible! The grip from the outsole on the Endorphin Trail is brilliant in wet and dry conditions 👍 Hope this helps and thanks for watching the channel 🙏
@Thespecificgeneralist3 жыл бұрын
@@Run4Adventure awesome thanks - my wife and I love the channel over here in Australia btw
@timward39463 жыл бұрын
Bought first now I’ll watch the review 😂
@Run4Adventure3 жыл бұрын
Hope you like them Tim 🤞 Thanks for watching 🙏
@SimonSez833 жыл бұрын
I do that too lool 🤣
@Runnerrwe3 жыл бұрын
Good review. It seems pretty heavy.
@Run4Adventure3 жыл бұрын
Thanks very much, glad you enjoyed the review 👍 It is a bit weighty! 🐘
@user-og8lc4be6l Жыл бұрын
This or mutant or ultra glide?
@Run4Adventure Жыл бұрын
I would go for the Ultra Glides but the Endorphin Trail is a nice shoe 👍 Hope this helps and thanks for watching the channel 🙏
@seanviggers22283 жыл бұрын
I don't think they'd be for me, a little to hefty. Love the peregrine 10 and I'm wearing in a pair of salomon ultra glide plus I've got a pair of peregrine 10s still boxed as well as the other pair I use when it's muddy. Bit of an average shoe by the looks bud
@Run4Adventure3 жыл бұрын
I'd definitely stick with what you've got there Sean, some nice shoes in your rotation 👌 Thanks for watching mate 🙏
@joelclimbsrock3 жыл бұрын
Simply put some traction on the Endorpin Speed & Saucony could’ve had a dope trail shoe. Every 100 grams over 250grams = 1% reduction in running economy. Dont buy heavy ass shoes!
@Run4Adventure3 жыл бұрын
Unfortunately I don't think it's as simple as that Joel! 😊 The PWRRUN Pb midsole of the Endorphin Speed feels great on a flat, repetitive Road environment but it would be so unstable on uneven trails! It would be an ankle breaker for sure 😲 Also the compound itself would get torn up pretty quickly in running rocky places it just wouldn't work. Thanks for watching and taking the time to comment it's appreciated 🙏
@danypriyatna53743 жыл бұрын
Why not Xodus 11?
@Run4Adventure3 жыл бұрын
The Xodus 11 is a nice shoe Danny, I've actually just got a pair to run in 👍 Thanks for watching 🙏
@danypriyatna53743 жыл бұрын
@@Run4Adventure I got the 10 and enjoying it so much..
@mikowhy96083 жыл бұрын
Actually, my expectations were quite contrary - it was the answer: Is the Endorphin a more boosted, bouncy and cushioned version of the Peregrine? I much expected a better Peregrine than Speed going trails. So is it? Or will the Peregrine 12 be the one to look for? (borrowing the best Endorphins) 😏
@Run4Adventure3 жыл бұрын
A bouncy more cushioned version of the Peregrine already exists, it's the Xodus 11 👍 The Endorphin Trail should have definitely been a trail version of the Endorphin Speed, it carries the Endorphin name 😊 I've just seen the Peregrine 12 and it's a very different shoe when you compare it to the 10 and 11. I personally think some people will love it and some will be disappointed 🤔 Thanks for watching and taking the time to comment it's appreciated 🙏
@mikowhy96083 жыл бұрын
@@Run4Adventure ISO version return? 😂 Will it grow in height (like many shoes these days...) or will it stay minimal? Burning questions have to wait, I'm sure you can't reveal a tiny thing? ...Can you? 😏
@Run4Adventure3 жыл бұрын
@@mikowhy9608 it definitely not an ISO return thank god! 😂 But all I'll say is if you like minimal.... You might like it 😉
@mikowhy96083 жыл бұрын
@@Run4Adventure good, just like Kinvara stays Kinvara (just shifting on softness) I hope... ...well, there's still that Boston doping "scandal" - where Adidas Boosted their v10 by replacing their weighty foam with a slab of something big ...and heavier ?! 🤔
@Run4Adventure3 жыл бұрын
@@mikowhy9608 I've got a pair of Bostons coming so that should be interesting! 🤔
@kierenkd3 жыл бұрын
I'd be worried about going over sideways and destroying the talus
@Run4Adventure3 жыл бұрын
Considering its a deep midsoled shoe it does feel pretty stable and connected underfoot 👍 I was surprised how stable it felt but I am use to running in deep, cushioned midsoled shoes so maybe that's why 🤔 Thanks for watching and taking the time to comment it's appreciated 🙏
@kierenkd3 жыл бұрын
Fair enough. It's just physics. Maybe some mathematicians can work out risk of camber:stackheight? Perhaps running shops should get those walking ramps hiking shops have so you can get a feel for the show on a camber.
@craigbarth74743 жыл бұрын
No rock plate = no go for me for a mountain shoe! Too many bad rock strike experiences without rock plates, also don't get manufacturers not having the additional eyelets for lock lacing, that said the Saucony Peregrine 10 gtx & non gtx are in my current quiver alongside Scarpa Spin Ultra which has been great and the La Sportiva Helios 2 which I find great for non technical/rocky trails.
@Run4Adventure3 жыл бұрын
To be fair Craig the Endorphin Trail actually has pretty good protection underfoot because of the depth of the midsole cushioning 👍 Totally agree about the extra eyelets! Thanks for watching and taking the time to comment it's appreciated 🙏
@30m33 жыл бұрын
Before watching I know you're going to say that it's heavy because it looks it.
@Run4Adventure3 жыл бұрын
You could be right there! 😉 Hope you enjoy the review and thanks for watching 🙏
@davidcallan78443 жыл бұрын
Why the comparison to the speed, if it was close to any of those shoes it would be the shift. I’ve seen this on a number of reviews, I’m also a huge fan of the Peregrine but if there is any comparison it would be to the Nike Peg Trail. It’s the only PEBAX trail shoe I know of, the Adidas with boost would be close but it’s functionality in different temperatures without any difference in feel is a plus I’d think. The stack height is my main concern, seems like a commuter all weather shoe to me. Great review as always 🏃♂️🤘😎👍
@Run4Adventure3 жыл бұрын
Thanks very much, I'm glad you enjoyed the review 😊 It's not really a comparison to the Endorphin Speed David... I think it's more like thats what I was hoping for! A trail shoe that was lightweight, responsive and exciting to run in 👍 I personally think a trail shoe being like the Nike Pegasus Trail is definitely not a positive thing, especially coming from a brand that produced the brilliant Peregrine 10. Obviously running shoes are super personal but I think Saucony could of done better. Thanks for watching 🙏
@davidcallan78443 жыл бұрын
@@Run4Adventure Cool, I do love the Peregrines. Be interesting to see a version with PEBAX. THANKS😎🤘👍
@Run4Adventure3 жыл бұрын
@@davidcallan7844 I've just seen the new Peregrine 12 and it's a very different shoe this time around! 😲
@Ecoroof19863 жыл бұрын
@@Run4Adventure Bec and I both sold our 11's as they were just not as good as the 10's. 12s already 🙈
@davidcallan78443 жыл бұрын
@@Run4Adventure 😃😃😃
@guilletjean-jacques51073 жыл бұрын
you have to be blind not to see that New balance with the Fresh Foam More Trail V1 and saucony with this endorphin trail, we all simply copied Hoka with their speedgoat, it is obvious, when to know if these two plagiarisms have exceeded the original ...... as in the majority of cases the answer is no, and just for the lack of originality, I would never buy these two shoes, even if they were very good, I find it deplorable on behalf of large brands like NB and saucony.
@Run4Adventure3 жыл бұрын
I totally agree Guillet, all the other brands are clearly trying to replicate what Hoka have been doing from day one! I've been running in Hoka shoes for around 8 to 9 years, back in the day when other runners use to look at my feet and laugh 😂 Hoka were clearly on to something and now they've captured a massive section of the market and changed the way we look at running shoes. The other brands have had to follow suit to keep up with the changing market place. Runners want softer, lighter, rockered shoes now so if they didn't all copy they'd be struggling big time! Unfortunately that's just how the running shoe industry works and has happened to lots of other brands over the years. One brand puts all the work and development time to create something new and exciting and then all the other brands copy it and call it something different 🤔 Thanks for watching and taking the time to comment it's appreciated 🙏