Can a cheap off-centre AliExpress watch be saved? Is it even worth the time?

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Saving-Time

Saving-Time

Ай бұрын

My workshop can be found here: atelierdjames.com/product/bes...
Normally, I'm a 100% vintage watch guy, but I do love an off-centre hour and minute hand. The problem is, I'm not a member of the landed gentry or a trust fund baby, so I can't afford one. I've decided to see if a cheap watch from AliExpress can actually be turned into something I'd be happy to strap onto my wrist. Can it even be serviced, and why does it have two second hands? Let's find out.
Join me as we explore the history of Chinese watchmaking and see if this junk can be turned into something worth owning.
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@ForestWoodworks
@ForestWoodworks 29 күн бұрын
Custom case and dial video would be awesome. Thanks for the service on this movement!
@mrbill2600
@mrbill2600 21 күн бұрын
At age 84, in the past, I only used watches to tell time. Videos like yours make me appreciate the history and all that goes into a watch. I've started a small collection and enjoy it very much. I'm looking forward to a continued update on this project. Thank you.
@Robert32064
@Robert32064 Ай бұрын
I would like to see you continue this project to see where it might lead. Nice video and history.
@Saving-Time
@Saving-Time 28 күн бұрын
Thanks for letting me know I appreciate you letting me know
@jenng208
@jenng208 Ай бұрын
Yes, please more of this project. Would love to see your choices in the design process.
@Saving-Time
@Saving-Time Ай бұрын
Thanks for letting me know
@EnvAdam
@EnvAdam Ай бұрын
"nickle plated cheetos" HAH thats hilarious.
@HannuPulli
@HannuPulli Ай бұрын
That would be too expensive for those kinds of watches.
@robertjordan7323
@robertjordan7323 29 күн бұрын
Very nice improvement on the watch. Thanks for posting. Good luck with the watch strap website. I love those straps you make by hand.
@csspinner
@csspinner 18 күн бұрын
I’d love to see what you end up doing with this movement so please keep us updated! And thank you for the history lesson in Chinese horology
@hisstorymn
@hisstorymn 8 күн бұрын
Love your videos! They are a constant source of learning and entertainment. It constantly amazes me how often I have to rewind your videos. I keep missing parts because I am too busy laughing at your perfectly timed quips. Keep it up, its been a blast learning from you and I love the watches you select.
@MexicoBeachFloridaLiving
@MexicoBeachFloridaLiving 26 күн бұрын
These are perfect watches for the learning new watchmakers. Nice video.👍
@jakekaywell5972
@jakekaywell5972 15 күн бұрын
Excellent work as always. I’d absolutely love to see this movement hand-finished and cased to an absurd degree. A real rags-to-riches deal I’m sure. Watchmaking school is proceeding rather well. Currently on encasing and regulating. I’m not exactly Breguet, but I believe myself and the rest of my classmates are coming along rather well. One point of correction, I must add however. You stated that Sea-Gull has a problem with “borrowing” ETA designs. In the vast majority of cases, this is perfectly legal for Sea-Gull to do, as the patent surrounding the original ETA design has long since expired. The ETA 2428/Sea-Gull ST2130 as well as the Unitas 4697/Sea-Gull ST36 are the two most famous examples of this. I believe Sea-Gull had actually purchased a license from ETA to produce their not currently out of patent protection 2892.
@NetdiegoN
@NetdiegoN Ай бұрын
It would be nice seeing more of this project - new custom dial and hands perhaps. I own ST1908/1904 watch and wondering what you think of it. Thanks a lot for your videos! I enjoy them very much!
@Saving-Time
@Saving-Time Ай бұрын
I've never taken apart an ST1908 from what i see, it looks like a solid movement, and sea-gull make some pretty good stuff
@FabioOrtega
@FabioOrtega Ай бұрын
Great video. I'd love to see the conversion to manual as well as fitting this in a dial sized for humans.
@LoadedGunsMusic
@LoadedGunsMusic 29 күн бұрын
More of this project! I own some Forsining watches for a few years now and never had an issue with them.
@nickythrailkill3268
@nickythrailkill3268 28 күн бұрын
I definitely want to see the rest of the journey!
@HorologyHubub
@HorologyHubub Ай бұрын
Excellent my friend, really interesting history and I’d defo like to hear more😁 brilliant news on the new store too 👍👍👍
@Saving-Time
@Saving-Time Ай бұрын
Thank you, sir That's very nice of you to say :)
@PaulSchwarzbaum-xr8qm
@PaulSchwarzbaum-xr8qm 29 күн бұрын
I also would love to see you do the conversion to manual wind and develop a custom case and dial.
@cliveb9771
@cliveb9771 24 күн бұрын
“Let me know if you want to see ….” Blanket YES.
@Saving-Time
@Saving-Time 24 күн бұрын
Thanks for the vote of confidence
@markcockle5038
@markcockle5038 21 күн бұрын
It would be really interesting to see the conversion process from automatic to hand winding😊
@johnnyarsenault9124
@johnnyarsenault9124 25 күн бұрын
Deeper Chinese Horology would be very interesting, you did a very interesting one yet more would be greatly appreciated! 👌❤️👍
@CaptainJerry-
@CaptainJerry- 29 күн бұрын
Captivating content, skill, and opinion. Thanks to your wife for the research. I would like to learn more about all presented!
@johnhannon
@johnhannon Ай бұрын
The Chinese movements I have worked on (ST36) were all void of any lubricant and had lots of hairs/debris. Once cleaned and oiled properly, they ran fairly well.
@jernejfunkl8300
@jernejfunkl8300 26 күн бұрын
I have one automatic watch bought on AliExpress. It is very fast (+1 minute per day), it has 39 days in the date (including 00) but it has a nice design and I like wearing it very much. For the price of 40 euros (Including postage) I really can't complain :)
@narc1408
@narc1408 Ай бұрын
yes, conversion series FTW!!!
@WristwatchWorkshop
@WristwatchWorkshop Ай бұрын
Awesome stuff. Props to Mrs ST for the history in particular. Very interesting stuff. I think anyone working on watches secretly (or not) would love to create their own (yes, I have designs), so more on taking this project forward, please.
@Saving-Time
@Saving-Time Ай бұрын
Cheers mate i\m probably going to do the conversion :)
@WristwatchWorkshop
@WristwatchWorkshop Ай бұрын
I look forward to seeing it progress.
@SkyBlue-le7cd
@SkyBlue-le7cd Ай бұрын
Would be really interested in watching the conversion. Terrific result. Thanks as always.
@Saving-Time
@Saving-Time Ай бұрын
Thanks for letting me know
@gavinhorniblow6569
@gavinhorniblow6569 29 күн бұрын
Great video and history lesson, I would love to see you convert it into a manual 😀
@Kamala_Harris_2024_official
@Kamala_Harris_2024_official 25 күн бұрын
Prior to the early 2000's most lower end watches were chrome or gold over brass.
@mercuriall2810
@mercuriall2810 Ай бұрын
Great video, I really enjoyed it! If you were referring to the Seitz pivot straightening tool when you mentioned expensive tools for this task, please know that it’s a waste of money if you intend upon using it for its stated purpose. The instructors at WOSTEP call it the pivot breaker. The one redeeming feature of this tool are the jewels set in it. They’re actually graduated in half sizes, so it’s great for accurately measuring the diameter of pivots by test fitting them in the jewel holes. The Seitz pivot gauge that has the jewels set in a metal plate lacks the half sizes. If you see a pivot breaker for a bargain price, they’re worth it for measuring pivots.
@Saving-Time
@Saving-Time Ай бұрын
Thanks for the information I was referring to the Seitz tool, I never thought to use it for pivot sizing Thanks for letting me know. I appreciate you taking the time
@amphibiousone7972
@amphibiousone7972 Ай бұрын
I'd really like to see a video of you refining this movement. I find the biggest shortcoming of these watches is usually the case. Thanks for showing the details of Chinese Movements. Good Fortunes and Great Successes 🫡🍻
@Saving-Time
@Saving-Time Ай бұрын
Thank you
@boujtonboul
@boujtonboul 24 күн бұрын
I'm very interested in watching you build your custom watch.
@Saving-Time
@Saving-Time 24 күн бұрын
I shall continue this shortly
@springbay1
@springbay1 Ай бұрын
I just love listening to you talking about anything that you are passionate about. If you are up to modifying the watch to your liking, I'm certain that it would make a great story. I'm bookmarking your webpage and hope I'll be able to order when I can decide on what style that i really want
@BlackCat-tc2tv
@BlackCat-tc2tv Ай бұрын
I love the historical parts of your videos!
@Saving-Time
@Saving-Time Ай бұрын
Thank you
@_f355
@_f355 Ай бұрын
I once got one of these chinesium movements with the jewels in the train bridge installed UPSIDE DOWN, with the oil cups facing the wheels. looks like yours might be the same!
@AkbotaTanyu
@AkbotaTanyu 24 күн бұрын
The video is very good and I like it very much
@coffeeisgood102
@coffeeisgood102 Ай бұрын
It seems to be common that many cheaper Chinese watches have very well made parts but the assembly is sloppy. And your video once again proved that point. Also, if you remove the auto winding function I think you would be better to leave the original spring. This way you will not ever have to worry about overwinding it. For many years it has been my position that all manual watches should be equipped with the spring and barrel used in automatic watches.
@jlovelace486
@jlovelace486 Ай бұрын
I'd love to see the conversation. ❤
@wargamingrefugee9065
@wargamingrefugee9065 Ай бұрын
Congrats on the new store; I wish you success. One question about the movement, are the jewels made out of plastic? Did they pass a scratch test? Thanks for the video. :-)
@Saving-Time
@Saving-Time Ай бұрын
Surprising, but they are real!
@wargamingrefugee9065
@wargamingrefugee9065 Ай бұрын
@@Saving-Time Good to hear. It's a very interesting movement. It's amazing that such an old design has proven to be this versatile. Thanks for letting me know.
@pieterjlansbergen6988
@pieterjlansbergen6988 Ай бұрын
What is this thing about cheap Chinese movements not being properly lubricated? Even Seiko could and should improve in that area. I wonder if the oiling process can be automated as, I assume, assembling, or part of it, is. As usual my congrats for your videos as well as the entertaining commentary you supply with them. Got up early this morning and spent my time watching the story unfolding while sipping my cup of tea at 6,30 iAM. What a nice way to start my day! I hope you will give it a follow up with the planned modifications. Keep up the good work and greetings from Italy. P
@michaelthompson-xe5lc
@michaelthompson-xe5lc Ай бұрын
try the dulunive watch i have one and its working
@kizz.Commented
@kizz.Commented 12 күн бұрын
Nice, but, those wheels, look like they were stamped... Who does that?
@amphibiousone7972
@amphibiousone7972 Ай бұрын
I bought an Amazon special, just to take a look. $17.98 free shipping . I was surprised to find a good accurate movement. The watch case is of poor quality, basically a dust cover. Now you tell me that the Chinese do not have super microscale robots that make these. Actual skilled people put this together. Now I feel kinda guilty. Thanks this was very interesting 🤔
@ElderPinto254
@ElderPinto254 Ай бұрын
its a alilange and sohne nice and clean my master always says if you can make a shity watch run good thats watchmaking !
@markallison4794
@markallison4794 Ай бұрын
Here's a challenge: I'd love to see you design and make your own watch. In July I turn 84.so (intentional pun) the clock is ticking. I'll post a reminder every July until my demise or your realisation of your ambition. 😁
@Saving-Time
@Saving-Time Ай бұрын
so no pressure, then, lol I'll give it my best shot, sir. Greetings from Prague
@markallison4794
@markallison4794 Ай бұрын
​@@Saving-TimeHi from rural South Australia. Been watching cycling in Tuscany, motor racing from Austria, and watchmaking from Prague. It's a (vicariously) busy life.
@krisztianfrank1345
@krisztianfrank1345 Ай бұрын
Seeing the video, I'd like to know if those large grooves are only in the plating, or if the base metal is also affected.
@Saving-Time
@Saving-Time Ай бұрын
It's in the base metal for sure
@krisztianfrank1345
@krisztianfrank1345 Ай бұрын
As the movement will be modified anyway, this could be a good opportunity to try hand finish on some parts. It hardly can make the movement uglier.
@etebol
@etebol Ай бұрын
Could you share the company information of your Dial Repair Lady friend my dear Sir? Thank you much!
@Saving-Time
@Saving-Time Ай бұрын
you can find Lindsay here: arcstampfli.com/
@DanD-yp7ni
@DanD-yp7ni Ай бұрын
Dude, yes, I'm from a part of the world where there are surfers, we ARE all nuts, but it has nothing to do with staring down a microscope. We were nuts when we started this thing called watchmaking, or perhaps more accurately, we were nuts before that, and we just chose to express that insanity through watchmaking.... I'd love to see what you intend to do with your lump of purified Chinesium. No, that's not meant to pejorative, just a lame attempt at humor. That chunky back plate is likely that way because it was simply easier to do it that way, without respect to elegance or fineness. It was just easy. Again, that is without judgement, just honesty. All of the fine touches of "haut horology" are luxuries indulged in by those who are confident in their skills and have the time to show off, for money. That the thing spun up the way it did, without a jewel in the balance, says more about it's quality than any amount finishing some Swiss master watchmaker can grace it with.
@jamesdanielwright
@jamesdanielwright 28 күн бұрын
Bin material that pal
@Saving-Time
@Saving-Time 28 күн бұрын
Movement was interesting enough to play around with.
@DJ-mj5pq
@DJ-mj5pq 28 күн бұрын
I think you mean $3/day
@frankowot4
@frankowot4 Ай бұрын
What model number is the watch please?
@balthazarbeutelwolf9097
@balthazarbeutelwolf9097 Ай бұрын
MG8201GP - I have got one of those. It's not quite as big as was said, more like 42mm case (not 45).
@Saving-Time
@Saving-Time Ай бұрын
it was 42 i misspoke in the video somewhere around 15mm thick
@propetamckissack524
@propetamckissack524 23 күн бұрын
as much as i like some of chinese product but their watches are dirty made a lot of debris flying inside😢😮
@ABC-rh7zc
@ABC-rh7zc Ай бұрын
So, typical Chinese quality then
@jamesdanielwright
@jamesdanielwright 28 күн бұрын
That's not worth a carrot mate
@Saving-Time
@Saving-Time 28 күн бұрын
Half a carrot maybe.
@christiankirkenes5922
@christiankirkenes5922 Ай бұрын
Chinese faking their own watches is the most Chinese thing ever.
@user-tm7lt2lz7x
@user-tm7lt2lz7x Ай бұрын
Nice to watch but you talk to much
@BlackCat-tc2tv
@BlackCat-tc2tv Ай бұрын
Instead of being rude why don’t you turn the volume down?
@Saving-Time
@Saving-Time Ай бұрын
you type to much
@user-tm7lt2lz7x
@user-tm7lt2lz7x Ай бұрын
Is it rude with constructive honesty? Everything in life isnt roses, i get happy when someone give me a hint, not offended.
@BlackCat-tc2tv
@BlackCat-tc2tv 29 күн бұрын
@@user-tm7lt2lz7x here’s a hint. No one is fooled when you are rude and then try to say “I’m just being honest “. Good passive aggressive attempt though!
@user-tm7lt2lz7x
@user-tm7lt2lz7x 24 күн бұрын
@@BlackCat-tc2tv Young generation? Offended of everything? Life aint gonna go easy
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