Saxophone Repair Topic: Key fit and the G#/bis regulation

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12 жыл бұрын

Saxophone repairman Matt Stohrer of www.StohrerMusic.com shows how sometimes things that seem simple in saxophone repair can actually take quite a bit of knowledge, time, skill, and investment in tools to make absolutely right.
In this Saxophone Repair Topic, he speaks at length about the importance of good key fit in a particular area of the saxophone: the G#/bis adjustment, otherwise known as the automatic G# and 1+1 Bb fingering. Perfect key fit is essential to having a saxophone play at its best, and this particular adjustment illustrates some of the concepts and reasons why that is so.
Note: there is some rather weird artifacting from youtube's shakiness reduction, but its better than the original shaky video.
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@jonathankammer9078 7 жыл бұрын

This video is one I've watched over and over again. There is a wealth of knowledge and very clear information that all players should be able to discuss with their techs and now we can. Thanks Matt!

@umahk21 10 жыл бұрын

This is a great video explanation, very clear and thorough. Since I only repair instruments once a year, I need this reminder for my saxophone work. Thank you so much for making this and posting it!

@tomcathorns8044 8 жыл бұрын

Wow! Good info! That part of the sax has always been a mystery to me and sometimes problematic. Thanks for sharing your knowledge!

@guydelorme417 4 жыл бұрын

Hi, Thanks for this fantastic video. For saxophone adjustment. Nobody in my town can repair sax the closest one that repairs is 12 hours and 3 hours from here. I spent hundreds and hundreds of dollars to ship and do just this!!! and believe me I am not alone. Thanks again.

@liberagumar 6 жыл бұрын

I just to thank you a lot for excelent video and share your knowledge.. I can imagine the way you play.. god bless you all.. again and again THANK YOU

@SchamanLife 6 жыл бұрын

Hi Matt, your videos are verry helpfull and explained perfect. This regulation is often nessesary and i never thougt that so many factors have to be moved in. Thanks Lorenz

@TheSaxman505 10 жыл бұрын

Thanks for the tip, saved me a trip to the repair shop!

@MrTenorman2 11 жыл бұрын

Really useful, and perfectly explained. Thanks

@jameshowe8996 5 ай бұрын

Hi and thanks Matt, I was going to use 1.5 mm tech cork for adjustment screw bumpers unless you have a better way James H Thanks for all you do.

@EddieHaskelll 12 жыл бұрын

This was really helpful... Thanks, Matt.

@adityakumarappan148 5 жыл бұрын

Thank you so much! I was just able to fix my own saxophone without sending it in for repair!

@goodboyringo9716 11 ай бұрын

Great sax tech/ mechanic.

@mattlee2405 Жыл бұрын

Thank you for all your open project videos as they are the most informative I could find on KZfaq. Is this issue also contributed to the sudden high G jumped to high D register? I find random tone jump after repadding my B&S tenor sax and has no clue how to fix it.

@majickids 11 жыл бұрын

Thanks

@ernietollar407 7 жыл бұрын

Amazingly detailed - and this doesn't even show you doing all those things... respect to those who have mastered this! .. Thanks for sharing! QUESTION: how can one achieve a higher pitch through adjustment etc IF G# TENDENCY IS LOW !? Is there an advantage to higher vs. lower action when attempting to raise to just the G# pitch? (Super Balanced alto in this case) (377XX)

@ernietollar407 8 жыл бұрын

wow. very precise and thorough thanks. Meanwhile... I'm hoping to raise the pitch on my old super balanced alto G#... I want to try getting the pad cut (well enough inside the tone hole imprint to maintain the seal) . Hoping it'll raise it significantly.

@StohrerMusic 8 жыл бұрын

g# comes out of the tonehole under the f#. not sure if cutting the pad will do much except mess up notes below it.

@jameshowe8996 5 ай бұрын

Thanks!

@carlspiracy5112 8 жыл бұрын

does anyone know where i can buy the actual G#/bis key arm, mine broke off and I've looked everyone for one to replace it with any help is appreciated

@HB-ve4wi 5 жыл бұрын

Hi Matt. Thanks for your videos. I've been enjoying them for years. I have a quick question for you. The G# (+octave key) on my MkIV alto stops to respond cleanly once the note preceding it drops down below middle D. Or put differently, when any of the right hand keys are engaged there is no problem. Once the right hand is off, the G# wants to drop down to the lower octave. (I don't know whether that explanation makes any sense to you). Any ideas? Cheers.

@marquinhos27sp1 8 жыл бұрын

how to make this adjustment on the back of F Bar ?

@jamelsaxo6788 5 жыл бұрын

Good evening Professor: Stohrer Music Please, I am an artist. My name is Jamel and I am a saxophone player from the Tunisian Republic. I have a problem that exists exactly in place of the left finger of the C # key. If you could send me a short video to try to fix it. As I would like to live next to you. thank you so much .

@bettersax 8 жыл бұрын

Another great video. Any advice on swedging the F# key where it meets the post when the G#/bis adjuster arm is attached where you would normally swedge the key? I've got a tenor which is pretty wiggly in that spot.

@stevehollahan3533 5 жыл бұрын

MusicMedic has a post swager for that. Check Musicmedic.com. Also, they provide an instruction video as well.

@stevehollahan3533 5 жыл бұрын

Matt that tool in the video.

@davidphillips679 4 жыл бұрын

Hi = I have a Conn 16M tenor sax which plays fine apart from one issue where you go from E or F to the upper G. As soon as you do this the horn overblows which can be rectified to the correct tone of G with the tab of another key. If you play the G without moving from another note it seems to play fine. I am confused as to the cause but it is stopping me from progressing with the instrument. Any ideas as to the issue.

@Dukoff血汗臺鐵 11 жыл бұрын

Hi,Matt. I am a experienced sax player but not a technician. Would you suggest me to un-screw and add some key oil into the screw due to the screw fit perfectly? My sax is Selmer Super action II. Thank you!

@Spookspek 5 жыл бұрын

I don't even have a saxophone, but your video goes well with Vaporwave and 10 hours of Yee.

@barrymiller6520 3 жыл бұрын

Hi great video - what material are the adjustment domes made of? Thanks

@loctite222ms 2 жыл бұрын

I'm thinking about how many brand-new out of the box horns I've encountered that the keys don't fit like that. I use the low strength ms222.

@venskus2009 12 жыл бұрын

ohhh i understand. and i believe i read that somewhere. was there a design for it pre-adolphe Sax' design?

@venskus2009 12 жыл бұрын

Do you work on bass clarinets? The design of basses, and saxes are very similar(keywork-wise)

@ezekielfolahan91 Жыл бұрын

Pls my problem is that the g key is stuck down I can only pull it up myself but when I press it , it doesn't come back up

@blueeyedsoulman 7 жыл бұрын

Great, I have no 1and 1 on my YTS-21. It's just two pieces of cork instead of screws with cork on them! Can a 1 and 1 rod be puchased two replace my silly design? It does have the screw for removal of the whole rod (thank God.)

@bobsalbertasaxophone6916 5 жыл бұрын

I have had a couple saxophones with corks, common on older saxophones. I just cut a piece of cork a bit too thick and glue it on, when dry put a piece of sand paper on the g sharp key gently hold the f key down and pull the sand paper out and do this till the exact thickness is achieved. it you sand too much off allowing the g sharp key to open just start over to get it right.

@dmorier05 8 жыл бұрын

Hey Matt, Where did you get your reamers for pivot keys?

@jonathankammer9078 7 жыл бұрын

Dominique J. Morier , I think they are hand made but I do also have this question.

@StohrerMusic 7 жыл бұрын

the ones I have aren't made anymore. I've been making my own recently. I need to get better at hardening.

@Nkosikendrick 5 жыл бұрын

Hi Matt, I just chanced upon your video and I want to ask, he do I tighten the G# of my soprano? It is opened when it needs to stay closed. Thank you.

@diegoribeiroguitar 4 жыл бұрын

Hello Matt and Kwaku. I'm having the same problem with my soprano, the G# is always open... Thanks for any help!

@TheBowcaster 11 жыл бұрын

Check pad coverage with a leak light(high powered led flashlight or a fluorescent leaklight, adjust the regulation screws till you get perfect coverage. If the keys don't cover individually, take it back to your tech and tell them the pads need to be reseated.

@rastajahgreenpartys779 4 жыл бұрын

I would like to know how many tenor saxophone springs are per 1 set.

@loctite222ms 2 жыл бұрын

It varies with the design. Not all key mechanisms are the same.

@aubriannawatts306 4 жыл бұрын

Is this for Alto or tenor

@stevehenry9826 4 жыл бұрын

Matt the G note all of sudden sounds muffled. Just the G note. Any tips? Thanks. Excellent channel!

@mattsax_music8439 3 жыл бұрын

Different Matt here but I think the easiest thing is to use a leak light see if the horn has any leaks. Then probably make sure your key heights are right, because if they are too low it can get really stuffy.

@vivianastridge2167 5 жыл бұрын

While you have dealt with the mechanical aspects of bar key regulation, you have nothing to say about the material used for the adjustment screws of packing pieces. The original instruments used cork as this was the only material available at the time. It is indeed incredible that this most unsatisfactory material continues to be used to date. So what should be the ideal material for the adjusters on the bar keys and also on other keys. Is there any convenient method of converting the present system to the excellent Boehm system which totally does away with those ridiculous pieces of cork or other material. Thanking you in anticipation of an informative reply.

@StohrerMusic 5 жыл бұрын

I have an awful lot to say about it, actually! See here for 3500 words on it: www.stohrermusic.com/2012/02/saxophone-adjustment-materials-the-stohrer-method/ And see here for a video on how natural cork can actually be a fantastic material *if it is used correctly*: kzfaq.info/get/bejne/i8ijkrFomsCcg30.html There are many attempts at "doing away with" regular saxophone adjustments, including the Conn 30M/26M/28M, Yamaha adjusting screws, Leblanc's various attempts. They all have their drawbacks. Basically, if you have the skill to make a saxophone mechanically tight and then use appropriate adjustment materials well, you can make a saxophone play well and stay in adjustment for a long, long period of time. A lot of repair materials these days for pads and adjustments are sold as the holy grail of whatever, but in fact the old stuff works just fine if you are good at it, and the new stuff doesn't work any better if you aren't.

@EddieHaskelll 12 жыл бұрын

I should probably reserve a date to send you my VI.