SayIntentions vs BeyondATC - Comparing AI ATC for MSFS 2020

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In this video we take two flights from Bristol (EGGD) to Edinburgh (EGPH) in the Boeing 737-800.
One flight was with SayIntentions and the other was with BeyondATC to see how the two AI ATC systems compare to each other in Microsoft Flight Simulator 2020.
Both flights were recorded on the 18th of June 2024, I mention this because both systems are being developed at an incredible pace, therefore issues seen in this video may be remedied by if you’re watching this video in the future.
At the time of recording, both systems are in early access, therefore they are not considered to be finished, so I hold nothing against either system should it make a mishap.
To learn more about each system, visit their websites linked below:
SayIntentions: www.sayintentions.ai
BeyondATC: www.beyondatc.net
Full disclosure: SayIntentions have been kind enough to give me access to their system free of charge, hence this video is tagged as containing a paid promotion. However, it’s important I’m not here to try and make one system look good or bad, I’m genuinely curious how the two will compare and with both developers luck with their endeavour, ATC is a VERY hard problem to solve, so it’s fascinating to watch the development of these products.
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00:00 - Introduction
01:15 - Preflight and Push - SayIntentions
06:38 - Preflight and Push - BeyondATC
10:19 - Taxi and Departure - SayIntentions
17:11 - Taxi and Departure - BeyondATC
20:03 - Approach and Landing - SayIntentions
24:58 - Approach and Landing - BeyondATC
31:25 - Taxi To Gate - SayIntentions
34:17 - Taxi To Gate - BeyondATC
36:20 - Closing Thoughts
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@VirtualAirTour 20 күн бұрын

I use both. Pros for Say Intentions: - multi-player nature of Say Intentions. It really adds to the pucker factor knowing that other people can hear your radio comms (this is optional and can be disabled if desired) - ability to hear live comms and recorded comms chatter from other humans at your current location can be very immersive - tour guide is a really cool and helps alleviate boredom on long flights - true AI so you can ask it just about anything and get a coherent response - VR panel so you can change frequencies and see comms history without removing your headset - Flight comms are recorded and monitored - helps keep the entire experience professional - TaxiTuner system allows crowd-sourcing to fix incorrect airports Pros for BeyondATC: - currently feels more "realistic" (for normal procedures) as it is less lenient with improper phraseology and will not accept incorrect readbacks - like the ability to have BeyondATC auto-respond to ATC during critical phases of flight when pilot workload is high. This feels realistic as my understanding is the pilot monitoring would typically handle comms during critical phases of flight. - responses are FAST - very little delay - detects incorrect position on ground and in air (for example I requested departure clearance when holding short KSFO 28L at taxiway F2 and BeyondATC knew I wasn't holding short at taxiway F as instructed. It told me to backtrack on 28L (which seems highly improbable for a busy international airport) rather than clearing me for takeoff. Just saw BeyondATC traffic injection beta at FlightSim Expo 2024 and that will be a complete game-changer. The developer demonstrated airports fully populated with traffic (50-100 aircraft) with minimal framerate hit and realistic ATC comms between the AI aircraft and ATC. Really impressive.

@Nephtys77 16 күн бұрын

Thank you for your breakdown! I also use the auto response feature in BATC for longhaul flights. So if I need a break or little bit of sleep, the FO handles the comms and I get a little bit of rest

@Incidental104 2 күн бұрын

BATC has also a much more intelligent AI in the roadmaps as far as I understand. I like the AI cabin crew and tour guide idea, but paying basically what a full lifetime copy of BATC costs per month is not justifiable for me.

@mellewisselo8025 Ай бұрын

Sayintentions is at the moment a fair margin ahead in my opinion. However we musn't forget that BATC is still in its early access phase. But there is no way i am spending 300 USD a year on Sayintentions.

@jhallock Ай бұрын

For those that haven't heard, SI will be announcing a price drop at FSExpo in a few days 👍

@SayIntentionsAI Ай бұрын

BATC has been in development since last May.. we started in December of last year. We're the newer company 😉 And definitely look forward to our price drop announcement!

@valet2972 Ай бұрын

Traffic injection when? 😊@@SayIntentionsAI

@SayIntentionsAI Ай бұрын

@@valet2972 phase one should be done within a week or two - this will include multiplayer traffic across XPlane and MSFS as well as historical flights injected to match historical chatter. Cool stuff coming after that as well!

@dabneyoffermein595 28 күн бұрын

@@jhallock they should've re-thought out the trial, they only allow 24 hours. I don't know many who are going to go through an entire registration/credit card setup & profile for something expiring right after you set it up.

@richavery66 28 күн бұрын

I use BATC, which in my experience to date has done everything I need it to very well, and I'm looking forward to the future traffic injection and VFR implementations. It amused me how SI didn't correct your vectoring mistake (you said and flew 060° after SI had given you 040°), whereas BATC corrected a couple of your correct radio frequency replies - one program not correcting when it should, the other correcting when it shouldn't!

@ProbablyJustJack Ай бұрын

Thank you for making this video. I had been wondering how they compare. Cheers

@GastonDwarvenPilot 10 күн бұрын

Exactly the kind of comparisson I was looking for. Thank you! Great job!

@Stwutter1973 Ай бұрын

I've used both a lot, and BATC is - IMO - miles ahead for IFR. Granted, you have to learn what it expects you to say, whereas SI will use AI to just understand you regardless - but SI also lets you get away with talking in a way that would annoy Vatsim or real ATC. I think SI will win out in a year or so once it has the AI properly under control, but for £26 per month, it just doesn't deliver on IFR yet.

@skipshifter9609 29 күн бұрын

For me personally I will stick with BATC. The main reason is a time issue. I have limited time for simming therefore even using premium voices it is still more cost effective than a subscription based service. Furthermore at this point I am using the basic voices as the product evolves.

@stanleyjames6394 28 күн бұрын

Great video edits. I use them both back and forth. They both are at times brilliant then they can both have moments where they leave you scratching your head. Just waiting for the consistency mainly with descending for ifr approaches and taxing. They are both in beta but not sure how long the public will be sympathetic. I would say that if FSHud had better voices, better ui, and push to talk, they would hands down beat them both lol imho. But they both are premier ATC addons for the future. Great work!

@richardswede Ай бұрын

Great Video, Well put together and your thoughts on these 2 ATC programs align with my thoughts currently. I believe SI will make a Pricing announcement at this weekends FS-Expo!!

@g-locmedia 29 күн бұрын

Pretty sure they will

@volantis129 10 күн бұрын

Your videos are great ! Thanks

@AirNOTT 10 күн бұрын

Thanks for watching, I appreciate it!

@mdhazeldine 29 күн бұрын

Great comparison! Looks like there's not much between the two, although I have to give props to BATC for being the only one to actually have Scottish accents. Och aye cap'n!

@Mrv1960 27 күн бұрын

No comparison try SI it is miles ahead of BATC .

@mdhazeldine 26 күн бұрын

@@Mrv1960 Well if this demo/showcase is representative of the two products, then I'm not seeing the "miles ahead" that you claim. What is this video missing that makes it so much better and worth being EIGHT times the price, PER YEAR? I'm just not really seeing the value right now, even with the latest price reduction.

@Mrv1960 26 күн бұрын

@@mdhazeldine you should try the trial then you will see how much better SI is there is no comparison , and I also have BATC. BATC is actually a dumb scripted program. The future is SI. BATC doesn’t even do VFR.

@wildwomansteelcitydrumming6211 29 күн бұрын

BATC hands down for one time price..... The arrivals need a major major overhaul and ability to revise if weather changes.... The arrival is a nightmare for me right now due to you have BATC telling you one thing and then your charts say something else..... The standard voices are fine IMHO.... Sure, the Premium are better but if you're a casual flyer, BATC is the way to go and when the roadmap is complete no doubt BATC....

@dabneyoffermein595 28 күн бұрын

Ohh, arrival nightmares is really a non-starter for me. What are SI arrivals like?

@LunnarisLP Ай бұрын

I prefer using VATSIM. I think Sayintentions or BeyondATC can be great if you either fly at times where vatsim doesnt have so many people online or if you want to build some experience before joining a network where you interact with real humans. But for me at this pricing point I just dont think its a permanent solution. On the other hand vatsim can occasionally be a bit annoying with newbies, not necessarily because they are new, of course new players are welcome, but sometimes they come in very unprepared, but looking at the bigger picture I think it is a minor issue and VATSIM is a really great solution, especially because you of course have the traffic of all the other players, which is just really nice and makes it feel much more immersive compared to some of those tools, which basically just simulate your own comms.

@captainzeppos 13 сағат бұрын

VATSIM is obviously the best choice of them all but only if you have coverage. And you don't have coverage most of the time unless you're flying only during high peak hours and at busy locations. SI is just expensive and that's the end of it, while BATC looks very promising. Let's not forget about Pilot2ATC which has been around for years and has much functionality. If this could somehow be upgraded to use AI, it would beat everything else hands down.

@Paul-T Ай бұрын

Is it usual, in UK airspace where the transition level will normally be below FL070, for ATC to give you a QNH reading when telling you to descend to FL070, as SI did at around 22:00? Maybe RL would do that, but perhaps I'm a little sensitive to the MSFS ATC approach of seeing the whole world as having the same transition levels/altitudes.

@Roughtek 7 күн бұрын

Say intentions is having a big update coming in the next few days That's releasing taxi tuner V3 which will help tax the instruction as well as you can add an end it waypoints so it knows FBOs and things like that

@Paul-T Ай бұрын

Are you using the default scenery for Edinburgh, as all ATC packages will rely on good taxi-route/gate/stand data and it would appear that not all airports are blessed with accurate data? It'll be interesting to see whether future airport updates, both in-house and 3rd party, will rise to the challenge of providing good data.

@SammytheSalmon Ай бұрын

I think that BeyondATC had a better sense of realism, ATC rarely sounded robotic, but just had those teething problems you identified. SayIntentions had better instruction but you could tell the slight AI voice to it. Great video, great comparison, both platforms look great and will improve! Both beat MSFS-X ATC.😂

@dabneyoffermein595 27 күн бұрын

What was / is your experience with PILOT2ATC?

@SammytheSalmon 27 күн бұрын

@@dabneyoffermein595 I have no experience. Just a casual viewer 👍🏻

@Thoddy398 29 күн бұрын

BATC managed to ram me into terrain more than once. Steep approaches and more. I will test SI in july.

@TrueBlade-1889 28 күн бұрын

Remember -- SayInt needs a microphone. Do you want to be talking late at night ? Or,at all ? BeyondATC has keypress and auto response / tune. That's the money shot for me. Silent running ...

@ProGamer-gc3wv 17 күн бұрын

I dont understand you! Why in the world you want to have ATC in MFSF if you dont want to speak? Then use the default ATC, it works well. We use those ATC Addons to be able to speak to them like in real life. Whats wrong with you? 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

@chromo48 14 күн бұрын

Plenty of other programs out there that can do "button press" ATC at a lower cost. Aside from having some more variety in your ATC voices, I'm not sure why you'd purchase either one of these if you're not going to take full advantage of the features. Being able to actually converse with ATC through your mic is kind of the selling point here.

@frontcentermusician 12 күн бұрын

@@ProGamer-gc3wv must be on xbox. 😂😂😂

@LouiseRose74 Ай бұрын

Taxi to gate is not ready yet in say intentions.When v3 of taxi tuner is available all this will change.

@yooturboo 22 күн бұрын

I wish SI was more beginner friendly, as someone who is just getting in to this space, I gave SI a 1 day trial and after it all decided to stay with BATC for the time being. Don’t get me wrong Say Intentions is by far MORE ADVANCED but they lack a beginners friendly interface, from the ability to see a hint of what you have to say next in coms, selecting what you’d like the ai to reply back with when the workload is a tad bit overwhelming & also the auto switch frequency’s with BATC, Is what is keeping me with them. With that being said traffic injection is also a big thing I’m looking forward to from both parties, if SI can add some functionality to the interface that can benefit a newbie like me and provide stellar traffic injection they can most definitely have my money.

@seattime4075 Ай бұрын

I have BATC permanently open in its own small screen. This allows me to keep a eye on what it may be expecting. Taxing is certainly not its strong point, but SI is not within my sim budget at this time. Still way better then standard ATC ..

@bjovers1 26 күн бұрын

Im using BATC atm and I find it way too static. It doesnt have a lot of options other than request decent and direct to a fix. It will vector you to a visual if VMC and its impossible to request an approach.

@jordydejong-vv6xb Ай бұрын

This thumbnail 😍😍

@GodAtum 12 күн бұрын

what voices for BATC you using?

@captainzeppos Күн бұрын

One is super unbelievably expensive with a ridiculous pricing model which should not be adopted by customers. The other is very reasonably priced for what it offers.

@tumanniyezh 25 күн бұрын

BATC never cleared you to your destination just said expect such and such departure and then you were cleared for take-off. In the real world you are not cleared until atc says cleared.I tried this myself and ask them for clearance but that just seems to confuse it.

@jhallock Ай бұрын

For folks that spend more time in GA planes than Airliners, is there a favorite right now?

@lucidsimmer Ай бұрын

Do you mean for VFR? BATC doesn't have it yet. SI has VFR but only works okayish in the US, as VFR in Europe is more complex

@ProGamer-gc3wv 18 күн бұрын

Are you sure abour VFR in EU? I flew in Switzerland VFR (i connected SI with Navigraph Pro) and works as expected. I also saw they will add Trafick Injection too.

@imflyboy_ Ай бұрын

I've had better experiences with BATC, the voices are way better, IFR flight is way better, I do however like how Sayintentions had more traffic on the frequency or prerecorded atc. makes it more real.

@ProGamer-gc3wv 18 күн бұрын

BATC more realistic sound? The default are better then Pilot2ATC, the premiun are way better but they sound like from a hollywood movie and way to agressive ie. without soul. SI sound for me more natural and it give me the feeling, there is a real person speaking. If you compate BATC Premium price with SI, the Sayintensions is way cheaper, like 19 usd/month and fly as many as you wish. Try to fly with BATC Premium 30 days, it will cost more then 30 usd. Sayintensions cost now for 1 year 195 usd, (16/month), thats a fair and good price.

@MetMonkey Ай бұрын

Hi!

@cyber1saved741 13 күн бұрын

Thanks for the comparision....this proves they are not much better than FXS years ago, really its sad based on how far tech has come over the years. As a flight Instructor... this cannot be used for the reak world training or anythong. Just sim fun ?? Pilot Edge is live atc....limited by region but very close to the real world @ $20 per month. Just depends if you want a gaming platform or closer to flight training. Its just confusing to say the least Just some thoughts from the peanut gallery

@frontcentermusician 12 күн бұрын

You do realize this is early acess right? FS flight instructor are you?

@dabneyoffermein595 28 күн бұрын

runway 09 or runway 27, just minor details, lol 🤷‍♂

@AirNOTT 27 күн бұрын

Neither here nor there!

@eddyg1794 4 күн бұрын

If I had to pay $30.00 a month for "ai" atc services I would rather pay Pilot Edge and get a live human..no ai required lol

@ProGamer-gc3wv 17 күн бұрын

Sayintensions is great if you are not american nativ speaker. You can have any possible accent, the AI will understand you. Pilot2ATC will not understand, only if you do the voice training. I heard a lot that BATC wont ubderstand you, if you have heavy accent....

@Mrv1960 27 күн бұрын

BATC which I have is not even close to SI. Used it for 2 flights and uninstalled it. Total frustration asking it something if it doesn’t understand. Hate scripted phases. SI is a pleasure talking to it it’s like a real human in the other end. Just slashed their price to $20.

@itheseacow7590 19 күн бұрын

$200 per year vs $30 one time fee....

@Mrv1960 19 күн бұрын

@@itheseacow7590 the best vs a terrible program in BATC that is stupid and doesn’t understand anything you say to it.