Playing outside just means what it means. It is not a matter of considering it to be nice, wrong, good or bad

Incredibly well said !

So true so true. What a great way to see it. And when you practice the boundaries it all just becomes your sound. Amazing

True true true

Heard

The fact is (I believe) that all of this "outside" thinking and playing now, contemporarily, just sounds +jazzy+ and +cool+, and no longer contains the feeling of an expanded vocabulary, or sonic use of the instrument

I really dig that it is motivating. Thank you

Thank you so much for this.

Definitely all seriously motivational ideas.👍

This is so good, I'm very happy about it. :)

Thank you so much. I'll try to keep posting

I agree and think it has to do with the “packaging”. Even the way a video like this is presented (and presented well I will say!) As an educator it’s a hard challenge to talk about this kind of playing without giving students 100s of years of tonal/harmonic context. It usually ends up being more lick or device based (which IS part of the tradition) but in my experience students don’t really “hear” the harmony. Maybe after plugging it in enough time they will, but I try and approach it from an expanded harmonic context and more exploration of the colors/timbres of the instrument (there’s a reason saxophonists play fast things with altered/OT fingerings haha, it sounds cool!) and lots of ear training around tension and release.

Love that you are challenging the concept. I am trying to find my way in this too. Reharmonizing changes, playing super imposed changes like Coltrane changes or others over the coming chords. The discussion is amazing. All lines can be interpreted in many different ways and the more you look the more ways you find. I think the essence is to find out how you want to sound and how you want to express yourself. There is no right or wrong in the game of music, but you need to mean it

Thank you so much. I just answered in another post, but I love the discussion. What to call what and how to approach this. The harmonic structures or just sounds leading towards each other

Thank you so much

So happy you like it. Please ask questions if you have any

Thank you so much, I really hope you can use the material. Questions are welcome

I am so happy that this totally works for you. Let me know if you encounter any questions along the way

Thank you for your positive comment. What a great idea. I will def do that

You are amazing, thank you so much, this really helps me give more to all of you.

Yes of course. Thanks man. Joe is amazing and really one of my heroes I need to check out more.

What’s your source for Joe starting sidestepping exactly? I’m very interested in jazz history and harmony and I love Joe’s playing, but Tristano was playing sidestepping chromatic harmony at least a decade before Joe (recorded history at least). I wouldn’t say that Tristano was the first to do it either though, but it was implemented into his style fairly consistently by the early 1950s

he's playing in Bb bc tenor is a Bb instrument

What he said :)

Baby steps, take it tone by tone. And please ask questions if you have any