Né vey, FROMIS_9 tem talento, carisma, esforço e música boa.

Their reputation is damaged badly bcuz of idol school's rigged vote scandal and also bad management from the agency that's why. Knets will not let them breathe. Sadly, they're all talented girls.

It's because of the history with their survival show, Idol School. Idol school was infamous for having questionable votes and weird jumps in terms of ranking, so much so that it was very apparent that some of their members that made into the final lineup werent even "fan favorite" or being discussed a lot in many forums and social media, which made it apparent that there was some rigging going on. Hence why they are not as popular as the other produce series, because the other shows were careful enough with their rigging. Not only that, I idol school also had really bad news around them considering there were a lot of controversies about them mistreating all the trainees, and most of it was proven to be true and some trainees even confirming it years after the show. Overall it just made people want to avoid the result of the show, which was fromis. Allegedly, the producer manipulated the ranking at least 200 times. When they debuted, they got a lot of hate because of the votes. So much so that Gyuri, the 9th place, participated in PD48 just to show that she deserves to be in fromis because of her talent. It was such a questionable move but a lot of knetz praised her and loved her for it, because she showed herself really well on the show, they just didnt vote for her because it was apparent she didnt need to be in final lineup, she just needed to prove haters wrong and she can be back in fromis after the show. After that they started getting a lot of attention, pretty well in SK and very well globally. But it went downhill again after the Mnet manipulating rank and vote controversy. All Gyuri's effort to prove the haters wrong became redundant and they came back into the spot where people rather ignore them than supporting "rigged group". This made the public eye see them as "questionable group" as they are the only permanent group that came from produce series. The other groups didnt get a lot of heat, even when X1 confirmed to be rigged, they just disband and the members still got their fame, because they all were temporary group. That tarnished the group name and some members got a lot of hate because of it and the public always put magnifying glass over them, making "controversies" news over all the things that they said that can be viewed as vague or in no context form. Of course they are now in the prime spot of their career, but it cant be helped that their history, that was caused by other people like mnet producer, really caused them to be in a spot where they cant be famous enough but they are also not unknown, for better and worse.

​​@@SweetMelody2808ut its not like they were famous before that happened. And izone was still very successful after that was revealed. It's mainly cos their show was not that famous in the first place and they had meager sales at debut. Considering where they started to where they are now, they're still very successful. They're not like produce groups or big4 groups that start out with a chart topper debut and 500k album sales

​@@tokki2901but they are not produce series...

I do akways include Hayoung and Jiwon in the discussion whenever I can. This duo reminds me of Oh My Girl's Seunghee and Hyojung.

hayoung has been slaying all these whistle notes before literally everyone in the gen its insane

Popularity and visuals beats talent in the world of Kpop. Cmon now we all know this

객관적으로 위고 디엠 스디웨 뿐임

@@user-my8nw7om9z저도 그랬는데 입덕하니까 그냥 다좋던데

@@0seorina4 응 아니야

@@user-my8nw7om9z 뭐 제 개인적의견이니까 객관적으로보면 그럴수 있겠네요

@@user-my8nw7om9z 마리소 진짜 명반임

역시 아이미스나인...!

for a legendary singer such as seungkwan from seventeen to comment on how incredibly difficult the song is even for him and to praise jiwon for how she pulls off the chorus it is proof of it

Oh, I just know the It's Live is pitch correction?

@@yuubwik2462 well it's too obvbious

That's cuz she is 🤣🤣