My cat has been playing Schoenberg the whole time. That genius little kitty
@musicloverchicago4377 ай бұрын
@michaeldavis6607 omg that made me laugh!
@brkahn6 ай бұрын
Maybe it is Schrödinberg's cat?
@swazbuzzler6 ай бұрын
If your cat can play the Gigue, take that show on the road!
@venakew Жыл бұрын
The wonderful thing about playing Schoenberg is that if you make a mistake and play the wrong note no one can tell the difference anyway.
@oeaoo Жыл бұрын
And any mistake can only make this better.
@isaacvandermerwe744 Жыл бұрын
@@oeaoo always amusing when people think they're cleverer than Schoenberg
@oeaoo Жыл бұрын
@@isaacvandermerwe744 that is no more than projection.
@musiqal333 Жыл бұрын
😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂 this ! #FACT
@f.p.2010 Жыл бұрын
🤓
@magentuspriest5 жыл бұрын
That face when you audition for a vacant piano player position and they throw you this for sightreading
@colossaltitan35464 жыл бұрын
Just headband on the keys, close enough
@Cesar-ey7wu4 жыл бұрын
jury : "you played a wrong note" pianist : "did i ?" jury : "did you ?"
@RustyDodd3 жыл бұрын
@@colossaltitan3546 i was about to say, its not like the judges are actually reading this music, play some quiet notes and some loud notes with some made up rhythms and you're good to go. i would have hated to have been shoenberg's transcriber
@zgart3 жыл бұрын
@@RustyDodd well the thing with schoenberg is his serialist style actually has a distinct style, even though you technically could make rows with certain intervals for example thirds, he avoided them, accidentally play too many of those and a distinction in style would be pretty obvious to judges
@segmentsAndCurves2 жыл бұрын
@@Cesar-ey7wu boulez: "he did. my turn."
@Legendoftherock2 жыл бұрын
Schoenberg was really meant to be a drummer.
@oeaoo Жыл бұрын
A manufacturer of.
@wawerua96 Жыл бұрын
Agreed.
@felixmaier784210 ай бұрын
@@oeaoowhy are you everywhere in the comments if you don't like music just go and leave it STFU
@enchade4 ай бұрын
He was!
@user-tm7xv4tm3z6 жыл бұрын
00:00 - Prelude 01:01 - Gavotte 02:11 - Musette (Gavotte da capo at 3:27) 04:37 - Intermezzo 08:38 - Menuet (and Trio at 10:23) 12:19 - Gigue
@ivanlin66535 жыл бұрын
김문문 wow
@user-tqnxjwjoazppq4 жыл бұрын
감사함다!!!
@machida51143 жыл бұрын
ありがとうございます。
@vievalos2 жыл бұрын
Thank you
@Legendoftherock2 жыл бұрын
I love how his compositions blur away the melodic content and help listeners and performers gain clarity on musicality as a whole: contrasts in rhythmic phrasing, dynamic interests, "percussive" attacks on notes, and the rise and fall of general phrasing. All of these elements are what comprise a great piece of music for the performer and listener.
@TheBowtiestudios2 жыл бұрын
Not only do you have to respect the strange artistry of these compositions, but also the emotianlity which encapsulates the anxiety and terror of nazi germany
@gabrielablock Жыл бұрын
ty bro. gonna use that in my music presentation
@stueystuey1962 Жыл бұрын
I don't play video games. Nevertheless I would think they are friendlys if there is such a thing in games.
@africkinamerican Жыл бұрын
No.
@jcBurton2094 Жыл бұрын
After listening to Mahler for some time, this was what I needed right now. Music in which triumph nor tragedy do not exist
@wickedpawn543711 ай бұрын
Same here. Fully agree.
@Lalulalala8248 ай бұрын
Can you please elaborate?
@f.p.20106 ай бұрын
@@Lalulalala824 it was a huge motivator for music in the 20th century to evolve past tragedy and victory since the n@zis kept using it as a tool for manipulation and propaganda
@elliotfinucane55836 ай бұрын
@@f.p.2010and this was written in the early 1920s, literally nothing to do with the nazis, he is using a new compositional technique to push past the boundaries of the tonal system and that’s all there is to it really
@f.p.20106 ай бұрын
@@elliotfinucane5583I wasn't talking about this piece anyways
@davidlancaster58045 жыл бұрын
Ah yes, the sounds my brain makes when I am studying for finals.
@DavidFong214 жыл бұрын
Funny, I'm listening this to study for a midterm in an hour
@alaindurand29794 жыл бұрын
Still listening that one when need inspiration , reflecting on a project, etc... help me.to let my thoughts go.
@wiener_process4 жыл бұрын
This is indeed the best stuff to listen to while studying for functional analysis exam.
@pianosbloxworld44603 жыл бұрын
Study for your exam, sir- Schoenberg
@vine21972 жыл бұрын
Joke
@WaitintheWings11 ай бұрын
Schoenberg is just that perfect background noise for studying and writing. No melodies to get distracted by.
@garrysmodsketches11 ай бұрын
It's full of melody and mood swings. This music is very distracting. I don't know how you can study while listening to it. I couldn't.
@felixmaier784210 ай бұрын
@@garrysmodsketchesreal its filled with such tension
@antfaz2 жыл бұрын
I was so surprised at how much this music relaxed me. Following the score, I was able to detach from everything else around me, like reading a book, yet not needing to understand what I was reading, just to feel it. I really needed this today.
@authenticmusic48152 жыл бұрын
Totally🇮🇱🇮🇱🇮🇱
@catapatata Жыл бұрын
Nothing relaxing to me!
@antfaz Жыл бұрын
@@catapatata What did it make you feel?
@catapatata Жыл бұрын
@@antfaz Something like... Uneasy
@antfaz Жыл бұрын
@@catapatata That's totally valid too! Shows how powerful music is, how it can affect us in so many different ways.
@classicalmusic11757 жыл бұрын
I know this music is not for everyone but I personally find it very compelling.
@NoahJohnson18107 жыл бұрын
haha interesting
@NoahJohnson18107 жыл бұрын
***** I don't really get you. I don't think it is very beneficial for us to keep discussing music.
@NoahJohnson18107 жыл бұрын
***** ok haha I am fine if you would like to think that. might be true for all i know
@NoahJohnson18107 жыл бұрын
***** Thanks, but I actually don't record most of what I play, especially the things I work on for months or years. Ha, funny you bring up the berceuse. I just about deleted it but decided not to. Easily my worst :) and I can't afford to tune my piano too often, unfortunately.
@nickb87557 жыл бұрын
Noah Johnson no johns
@sunkintree3 ай бұрын
The first glimmer of appreciation for music like this is a sense of relief, a vacation from the tried and tired walls and gravity tonality, as though it were mundane life, beautiful and enduring in itself, but something from which we realize we have been longing to find respite from, however brief, even if only to catch our breath.
@Consume_Crash2 ай бұрын
The tired walls of tonality?
@sophiaparr40603 жыл бұрын
This sounds like it should be in a Zelda game when you're running through a field at night and there are enemies nearby
@solonanii3 жыл бұрын
OMG I WAS THINKING THE SAME THING
@RafaelGarcia-ue6uc2 жыл бұрын
Breath of the Wild's night soundtrack sounds awfully evocative of this music...
@NappiMusicVideos Жыл бұрын
I’m having a tough day and this made me lol thank u
@mediumsizedgrape Жыл бұрын
Omg same thought
@SedyonАй бұрын
*A GUARDIAN IS LOOKING AT YOU RIGHT NOW*
@jyryhalonen49907 жыл бұрын
This sounds really playful at times because of the rhythm used actually
@JohnSmith-iu3jg7 жыл бұрын
Jyry Halonen try listening to Stockhausen
@johnappleseed83696 жыл бұрын
Women are Objects Stockhausen is one of the great composer's, I definitely recommend checking him out. Some of his work is definitely more intense, dissonant and chaotic (intentionally) than Schoenberg could ever hope for, after all Schoenberg was just a romantic composer
@jyryhalonen49904 жыл бұрын
@@JohnSmith-iu3jg answering 2 years later because my comment got hearted. I didn't mean the playfulness as a bad thing but rather just a thing. It's very musical and playful at the same time as being harmonically harmonically dense. Same as John Coltrane's Giant Steps. That being said I should listen to Stockhausen I still haven't haha
@Historia_4 жыл бұрын
@Jerf Hankell but you like listening to minimal music?
@Historia_4 жыл бұрын
@Jerf Hankell minimal music really pussies me off when I listen to it
@jeffgrigsbyjonesАй бұрын
The most accessible twelve-tone piece and - after listening to hundreds of them - still the best!
@johnatwell27536 жыл бұрын
I grew up on Pollini's recording of the Suite for Piano. This is a worthy performance. Boffard is perhaps a little more sensitive than Pollini. They each bring out different aspects of the Suite. This recording is, for me, a revelation. I admit I have listened to Pollini for so long that I thought it was 'definitive'. Now I know it is not.
@justinrubin25333 жыл бұрын
I know how you feel. I grew up with the Paul Jacobs and it's hard to shake the first wonderful interpretations of a piece such as this monumental achievement.
@Johnwilkinsonofficial3 жыл бұрын
gould for me
@geraintdavies46949 ай бұрын
Gould was horrible! His Bach is divine...but he butchered Ravel, Berg and everyone else he turned his hand to. There's nothing wrong with Pollini but this recording is also fabulous.
@musicloverchicago4377 ай бұрын
@@geraintdavies4694 Oh come on. Gould doesn't butcher anything. If you don't prefer his interpretations that's fine. I actually like them, not always my favorites but his playing is impeccable and he's doing what he wants to do and he makes the listener think and hear the music in a different way, many times for the better.
@dan27music11 ай бұрын
Pretty good. Looking at the score, what an achievement it is to play it. Spectacular performance.
@heathflagtvedt57693 жыл бұрын
I love this piece. Schoenberg is a legit genius, and it's cool if you don't dig it. The great thing about that, is you can just listen to something else. Schoenberg's main problem, from a popularity standpoint, is that it's hyper-conscious, its pleasure requires a specific kind of paying attention. Which makes a lot of people uncomfortable. Don't hate if you don't like it. No one thinks they are better than you for liking Schoenberg. Or if they do, they are not worth wasting your breath. But it's naive to think that this is noise or nonsense or that a child could come close to replicating it.
@johannkaribaldursson2152 жыл бұрын
Idk man I've seen plenty children play the same
@heathflagtvedt57692 жыл бұрын
@@johannkaribaldursson215 Either you don't mean that or you are not listening. You aren't wrong that there's some of that spirit of play and spontaneity. Unpredictability. But it's still an articulate and hyper organized version of that. The tempo is not erratic. And listen, when you are trained, it's incredibly difficult to avoid the patterns and resolves. Even if you don't enjoy it, it's a marvel of composition. I personally find it meditative. It avoids all the known pathways that western music follows. There are times when its all I can listen to. Only so much C-D tension resolving to G one can stand. You do you. But saying that it sounds the same as a child banging on a piano, compliment though it would be in some ways, just doesn't match whats happening. It is hyper specialized music for musicians though its kind of true.
@itdepends6042 жыл бұрын
@@heathflagtvedt5769 It doesn't "avoid all the known pathways that western music follows." It rejects some ideas about harmony inherent in almost all music (including non-western music.) Everything else (including many other aspects of harmony) are at most incrementally modified compared to almost all modern classical music, (such as Schoenberg's tonal works.)
@marcusvaldes2 жыл бұрын
The problem really is that I hate it so much.
@heathflagtvedt57692 жыл бұрын
@@marcusvaldes Lol thats a perfect response though! we dont need to debate what we like or dislike so much. Plenty of music out there for you to enjoy? do you like tarregas? david russell kills it. kzfaq.info/get/bejne/gs6Gg7eEzZu9eIE.html
@sochichionlineshop7036 Жыл бұрын
For some reason, I feel relaxed listening to this 💀
@PatricioLeija4 жыл бұрын
Whistle your favorite part.
@andreacassano39914 жыл бұрын
Don Patricio any time
@machida51143 жыл бұрын
It's not difficult for me.
@zackl74673 жыл бұрын
Probably the beginning of the gavotte
@a_pet_rock3 жыл бұрын
I wanted to thank you for sharing this particular recording. I think it's incredibly compelling and shows a great attention to formal aspects that aren't as apparent in recordings by other great pianists. I've also had a very hard time getting access to this recording anywhere else and I might have never heard it if you hadn't shared it. Bravo.
@niinaranta30147 жыл бұрын
the gigue is simply irresistible! all the syncopated rhythms and tritones!! yessss
@mahler1517 жыл бұрын
Niina Ranta Some parts of it even bring to mind Bartok ;D
@PaulVinonaama7 жыл бұрын
Almost Bulgarian rhythms.
@JohnSmith-iu3jg7 жыл бұрын
Niina Ranta lol "irresistible "
@Soytu196 жыл бұрын
The gigue is great because it's remembering the past.
@CatkhosruShapurrjiFurabji2 жыл бұрын
One of the best works by Schoenberg for sure, along with the Klavierstucke!
@baldrbraa3 жыл бұрын
12-tone music, you have to follow the row but you’re allowed to repeat one or two notes immediately. Feels like an arbitrary effect, but it’s at least something to listen for.
@travismclaurin94193 жыл бұрын
I love the 12-Tone Technique.
@eppiehemsley65563 жыл бұрын
I expect Herr Schoenberg would have included the ads too if he had thought of it.
@danshogiman2 жыл бұрын
:O ,im so glad i live in the era of internet so i can hear this beautiful works
@skidmoremusictech5287 жыл бұрын
wonderful to have the score here with the piano performance! Thank you!
@wasp59615 жыл бұрын
I listen to this stuff every now and then because I find it hilarious.
@machida51143 жыл бұрын
May you have the blessing of gods.
@jazzwarrior72062 жыл бұрын
Thanks Ashish, great post all round - the recorded performance is brilliant, and your 'liner notes' are great!
@chrisczajasager5 жыл бұрын
Quarter of a million listeners!!Schoenberg would be enchanted.I think, Steuermann, too.And I love this performance,too.I had the great pleasure of hearing Boffard in a stunning recital in Berlin's Musikfest in September 2018 I studied with one of Schoenberg's assistants and gifted student of Steuermann, Emil Danenberg.I played the Opus 23 at a recital in Berlin and Amsterdam...in 1983... and live on one of the three streets Schoenberg lived in his Berlin years..Boffard is .a great musician and pianist of !As has been commented in the Comments here far better than more 'famous' colleagues...c'est la vie....!
@DeflatingAtheism4 жыл бұрын
I wish you could play his music live on the streets of Brentwood, Los Angeles. 😀
@machida51143 жыл бұрын
May you have the blessing of gods.
@Adyman1826 ай бұрын
One of the best drum solos of all time.
@SirVTropic13 күн бұрын
😂 had a good laugh lol
@SkarredKage10 ай бұрын
I really love atonal music. Thank you very much for posting this masterpiece from Scoenberg!
@rumataastorskiy57344 жыл бұрын
This is the first dodecaphonic piece of music which I actually enjoyed; it opened up a new world for me.
@TheBestHugger4 жыл бұрын
Sounds like cat running on the piano
@rumataastorskiy57344 жыл бұрын
@@TheBestHugger Shut up.
@10hartland4 жыл бұрын
Johann Sebastian Bach he is not wrong though
@rumataastorskiy57344 жыл бұрын
@@10hartland He is, it is his fault that he can not see merit in this impecabley organized piece.
@10hartland4 жыл бұрын
Johann Sebastian Bach it sounds horrible, just hearing it gives me anxiety
@camilorojas17446 жыл бұрын
Isn't it funny that when people don't understand a piece of music, it becomes automatically trash, degenerated, painful, worthless, waste of time, and so on and so forth...? Nice comments, by the way
@richardlaforest57276 жыл бұрын
It's a matter of musical education.
@johnappleseed83696 жыл бұрын
Richard Laforest on the internet, it is those 15 second attention spans
@richardlaforest57276 жыл бұрын
Explain. I do not get what you say. "It is those 15 second attention spans" ? I would like to catch it. Thanks
@johnappleseed83696 жыл бұрын
Richard Laforest Kid's internet culture that has spread to adults too. They demand instant gratification and then stamp their feet when they don't get what they think they want within 15 seconds
@richardlaforest57276 жыл бұрын
What I meant is simply that in my opinion, people who usually say that this piece of music, (such as Schoenberg's for example) is trash, might be because of a lack of musical education.
@SuperCrAzYfLiPpEr2 жыл бұрын
This is so beautiful! I get really calm and focused. I believe it's because I'm so used to romantic harmony
@mruberduck3 жыл бұрын
This is so wonderfully platyful, and Boffard's rendering of its charm is delightful
@machida51143 жыл бұрын
I enjoyed reading the comments. Thank you very much. This work will be forever memorable as the first 12-tone work. I think String Quartet No. 2 is historically much more important ...
@gerardbegni28067 жыл бұрын
For me, nothing sounds academic in this suite; except perhaps the very beginning of he gavotte. Schoenberg applies to the series of 12 notes all the resources of his musical imagiination. I feel this suite easier to listen than say the perfectly tonal op. 9 and its dense contrapunctal effects rendrerd by a chamber orchestra. I would even sat that the pays betxeen a cell and its invesrion sound nice in that context.
@johnappleseed83696 жыл бұрын
Gérard Begni how can any music sound "academic"?
@toothlesstoe6 жыл бұрын
I would argue that a piece is academic if it's trying to showcase a particular concept of music theory.
@toothlesstoe6 жыл бұрын
Or maybe I'm being ironic, as theory only comes after a piece has been created.
@davidcarter30494 жыл бұрын
@@johnappleseed8369 I think what he means is it is surprisingly, exceptionally imaginitive, playful and explorative despite the limitations of a compositional technique we might consider the pursuit of a serious minded intellectual more interested in theories than the living soul of existence
@DeflatingAtheism4 жыл бұрын
Both kammersymphonies are IMO, unsung masterpieces of the 20th Century, but the first was the subject of my favorite bad review of a classical work- "one long, 20-minute wrong note."
@paulamrod5376 жыл бұрын
I was trained that the entirely complete twelve tone piece was the piece that came after this The Woodwind Quintet. This piece was his Swan Song from tonality. Nevertheless the journey from Opus 1 forward to opus 25 was totally amazing as well as organic. Everyone should try this trip through his entire opus' and witness how his language logically developed unlike his successors. Whoops did they all forget he was the creator of this concept. He was so nice not to make it too complicated however the result was too complicated for the listeners to understand.
@machida51143 жыл бұрын
I think he made a real twelve-tone musical piece after he came to the United States.
@dreamart33722 жыл бұрын
I starting loving his piece... he was truly genius
@olivierbeltrami4 жыл бұрын
Having read Schoenberg’s Theory of Harmony from front to back, my opinion is that, faced with ever more chromatic music being written in the Vienna of 1908-1910, Schoenberg developed the 12-tone formalism, not to break the system, but on the contrary, to put some order into the chaotic direction that music was evolving into. In a sense, he needed structure (reminiscent of Brahms’ FAF, “frei aber froh”).
@Breakbeat90s4 жыл бұрын
I think he mentioned 4 types of harmonic structure somewhere in the modulation chapter (tonal center, free floating tonality etc.) and seeing that alot of composers went for free floating tonality without a clear center he went as a consequence of that for the last step which is deliberately avoiding harmonic movements and reorganizing the entirity of the chromatic scale
@DeflatingAtheism4 жыл бұрын
I think the "systemization" of atonality in the twelve-tone method was an after-the-fact rationale. The fact is, the entire Second Viennese School were having difficulty crafting longer-form pieces with the same intense concentration as their free-atonal miniatures. The twelve tone method made longer forms more approachable by winnowing the compositional choices. Tellingly, after having adopted the method, Schoenberg immediately set about pouring the duodecaphonic wine into Neoclassical casks.
@hippotropikas53744 жыл бұрын
@@DeflatingAtheism Very interesting! But don't you think both reasons played a role? I think there's no logical reason free atonality couldn't go with large forms
@djspacewhale3 жыл бұрын
@@hippotropikas5374 oh free atonality definitely can go w larger forms, Schoenberg's Erwartung is an example, but that's one of the few examples bc writing long-form pieces in that style is just really damn hard
@hippotropikas53743 жыл бұрын
@@djspacewhale I trust you ^^
@TheTristanmarcus Жыл бұрын
Superb performance of a very hard, but amazing, piece 🙏🏽
@evilsoap7835 Жыл бұрын
art is not for you to enjoy, but if you can, so much the better
@bobschaaf25492 жыл бұрын
Years ago, I spent a weekend at a friend's house in Hartford with Yvar Mikashoff who, at the time, was learning Op. 25, and having a rough time of it. Not the world's greatest memorizer, he could hardly get the piece into his head, much less his hands. He was an intuitive player (the technique took care of itself) and found very little to grab on to. I don't know if he ever programmed it. In this superb performance, the Suite reveals itself as charming and humorous, yet still remote.
@opticalmixing232 жыл бұрын
I bet you guys had a fun time playing this
@justinrubin25334 жыл бұрын
What a fantastic performance of this incredible piece. I played portions about 30 years ago now and still hum parts (that's right) - full of melody and such piquant rhythmic and harmonic moments. Not a SINGLE tiresome moment.
@otonanoC3 жыл бұрын
Serial music is the farthest you can get from harmony.
@justinrubin25333 жыл бұрын
otonanoC it’s not serial --that was a corrupted concept that cam decades later and is devoid of expressive power usually.
@machida51143 жыл бұрын
It's great!
@machida51143 жыл бұрын
@@otonanoC This work is easy to get harmony because the content is tonality music.
@jazzwarrior7206 Жыл бұрын
@@otonanoC Not necessarily. Firstly, there are more than one type of 'harmony', and even the term itself can be fraught with subjective interpretation of what constitutes 'harmonising' relationships. However, if you're working from a definition of harmony which is directly associated with the lineage of Western 'tonality' [ - 'tonality' also being a potentially subjective term!] from say, Palestrina, to Bach, to Beethoven, to Wagner, to Debussy, to jazz, blues, rock, pop, country, etc, then yes - there is an obvious set of differences. However, some of those differences are 'structural', as in, they are inherently different due to the different structural parameters governing serial practice, and traditional or contemporary 'tonal' practice. However, there are numerous areas of potential commonality between them - but the key word is 'POTENTIAL', and that potential must be TAPPED!. Many, perhaps most, examples of serial composition which inform our perception of the 'practice', were associated with 'anti-tonal' perogatives, which were ADOPTED, yet presumed as being synonymous with serial practice. However, 'anti-tonality', or so-called 'atonality', do not have to be, and are not necessarily, associable with SERIAL STRUCTURE, with regard to its formal parameters and protocols, its structural principles. Several 20th C composers already proved this by incorporating 'tonal' elements into their serial approach, including Schoenberg himself (eg. in "Ode To Napolean"), as well as (famously) his student, Alban Berg, and later composers such as American, George Rochberg. However, I would put to you that even these composers barely scratched the surface of how traditional & contemporary tonal elements and principals can be fused with serial structure, or how serial structure can be approached and extended so as to develop 'tonality', and associated 'harmony' from its structural parameters. Essentially, serialism is somewhat algorithmic, and if you look into the work of composer/theorist David Cope, you will find a lot of research into how formulae produce repeatable results, and how this can apply even to traditional musical language and style, so that formulae can 'recreate' Mozart. However, the typical ('classical') approach to 12 tone serialism may not be able to produce 'Mozart' per se, yet it can produce its OWN type of 'tonality', as was discovered and championed by Josef Hauer (even before Schoenberg had solidified HIS concept of dodecaphonic serialism), as well as communicate typical, or atypical 'tonal' relationships and effects. Don't forget too, that serialism, even strictly formulaic applications of it, does not have to be dodecaphonic (12-tone), but may be applied to ANY group of notes, be it the major scale, a dominant seventh chord, the minor pentatonic, and so on. Any of them can be 'serialised'. Stravinsky famously applied serial principles to rows of four or five notes. Also, many of the 479, 001600 possible 12-tone rows inevitably contain such scalar/chordal entities as segments/portions, which can be exploited as separate tonal entities in applications of rows. The main point I'm making to you in this detailed reply is that many roads can be taken, and just as Wagner and Mahler showed that the diatonic scale and traditional tonal relationships could be manipulated within a chromatic environment to the point of extreme ambiguity and/or dissonance, so too can serial schemata be designed and/or exploited to promote consonance and tonal relationships. This is a current undertaking in my own compositional practice, and I'm discovering all sorts of possibilities by open-mindedly applying, both, tonal and algorithmic logic to very strict serial formulae. It's fun, and the music is proving the possibility of the two paradigms being united.
@ldbboosha5 жыл бұрын
Couldn't really find a way to get into this for the first few minutes, but I feel like I got it by the end. It's basically an exhibition of the percussion side of the piano. An awesome one, at that. It's using everything EXCEPT harmonies to move you.
@dpetrov323 жыл бұрын
Rhythm becomes much more important with atonality and the absence of tonal semitone pulls.
@machida51143 жыл бұрын
He wanted to make to listen to something like Bach's keyboard suite. You can decide if he succeeded or not. I think he was half successful.
@jazzwarrior72062 жыл бұрын
Yes, the rhythm is vivid, and important to the character of the piece, but as for 'not' employing harmonies, that is a misunderstanding, since the serial structure ensures the presence of a specific TYPE of harmony. True, the piece is not built from standard tertian chords derived from the major scale, but there are 'harmonies' other than those. This piece demonstrates 'other' types of harmony characteristic of chromatic aggregates (all available twelve notes one after another) in a fixed, repeating order (a 'tone-row'). Essentially, 'sitting on a piano' will create a 'harmony', but it may not be what you are able to musically 'hear', or it just may not be what you 'like'. Schoenberg had a gift for creating rhythmic interest, but harmony was his true field of expertise, and he did not abandon that connection to it, he just reworked it into the serial framework.
@sonicsnap11736 жыл бұрын
Splendid perfomance! Bravo Florent!
@user-un5mn1nj2z5 ай бұрын
Experimental work, very unsuitable for appreciation.
@aqdrobert Жыл бұрын
Great soundtrack for a cartoon chase scene around a museum filled with easily breakable and unreplaceable art.
@incudinepesante159 Жыл бұрын
In fact, the composer of Tom & Jerry used the 12-tone technique xd
@drummerflex7 жыл бұрын
I actually enjoy listening to this. I think it has an interesting sound. I understand the concepts behind this music, but I still listen to it for pleasure and not academically.
@JohnSmith-iu3jg7 жыл бұрын
Y'all are downs
@johnappleseed83696 жыл бұрын
qvistus82 I agree
@toothlesstoe6 жыл бұрын
+qvistus82 Music isn't a language, though.
@MrTerribleLie6 жыл бұрын
Yes it is, though. (www.theatlantic.com/health/archive/2014/02/how-brains-see-music-as-language/283936/ )
@toothlesstoe6 жыл бұрын
No, it isn't. Just because music has something in common with language doesn't make music a language. If music could convey objectivity like language can, you'd have a more cogent point.
@BobBob-fm6oo4 ай бұрын
I was just going through a phase where I hated modern music but this just put things into perspective, now I don't think modern music is all so bad!
@jeffreykaufmann28674 ай бұрын
What would Mozart think of this Music?
@air22x7 жыл бұрын
i can play this, hold my beer
@toothlesstoe6 жыл бұрын
+OneFourFive You must be an infant if you think an infant could play this.
@MaestroTJS6 жыл бұрын
toothless toe Okay, it takes a genius to write it, but to most people, it sounds like an infant wrote it. Is that better? Actually, now that I think of it, Picasso said he spent his entire adult life trying to learn how to paint like a child again.
@toothlesstoe6 жыл бұрын
+Maestro_T No, it's not better. An infant can't do anything other than to eat, drink, shit, and cry. Your statement would make more logical sense if you said this sounds like a child made it. However, you'd still be wrong, because I know what a child would write and it wouldn't remotely come close to the complexity exhibited in this composition. If Schoenberg's goal was to get his music to sound childish (not the pejorative childish), he utterly failed in that regard.
@MaestroTJS6 жыл бұрын
toothless toe Do you really think Picasso meant he wanted to paint exactly like a child? I think he was referring to the freedom, imagination, and creativity a child's mind has, not inhibited by conventions and traditions that one picks up over years of formal training--not losing the other abilities and depth one picks up as an adult. Do his paintings look like a child did them? Obviously not. Anyway, the point is that to a lot of people, probably most, this sounds like a bunch of messing around that a child would do. That doesn't mean they're right. (It also doesn't mean this is a great aesthetic either just because it's so unconventional, incidentally, regardless of how genius it might be.)
@toothlesstoe6 жыл бұрын
"It also doesn't mean this is a great aesthetic either just because it's so unconventional. . ." If one thought this music was great just because it's unconventional, he/she would be a pretentious, ostentatious shitbag.
@francoiscouture20113 жыл бұрын
One of the BEST version! extremely sensitive and precise!
@teodorb.p.composer2 ай бұрын
Schoenberg had to be such a genius, the rythmes are so catchy and original and it makes (along with the structure) the pieces good and not sounding like a total mishmash, even despite using dodecaphony!
@stapler9423 жыл бұрын
Does the ' and semicircle notation in the Gigue indicate stressed and unstressed? I've seen that in poetic meter but not in music before.
@bananakid1112 жыл бұрын
Yes exactly! I'm not sure if Schoenberg originated this use of it but my piano teacher used to write the same in my music
@glennjoshua99504 жыл бұрын
Banging on the piano music at its finest
@pazzicuriosi66602 жыл бұрын
This is wonderful! Thank you!
@user-ix2xs1wr2i6 ай бұрын
Shoenberg: Buddy!!! Messaen: Buddy!!!!
@adamlooze996 жыл бұрын
Needs more cowbell
@stephenhemsworth75566 жыл бұрын
I agree 100%
@marshallartz3952 жыл бұрын
Needs less piano. 🙉
@BCscores6 жыл бұрын
I'm in love with the musette...
@artofmusic3037 жыл бұрын
Amazing performance.
@a.austin3204 жыл бұрын
This is wonderful. Thanks for posting it!
@PhantomKING1132 жыл бұрын
An loud add pupped up at 8:45 ;-; , broke the immersion I had (which admittedly wasn't a lot, idk how to listen to this).
@williambeeman29055 жыл бұрын
It is amazing to me how this piece has grown on me. When I first heard it many years ago as a teenager, I thought it was impossible to understand much less enjoy. Today I find it not only understandable but completely enjoyable. People whose tastes don't go beyond "Stairway to Heaven" will probably never learn to appreciate it, but this is one of the real works of genius in the history of music.
@Guillermopianista5 жыл бұрын
I respect your opinion. But I find very annoying that for some Schoenberg fans one cant just dislike his music without being called ignorant. There are many cultivated classical music listeners who just dont like his music. I think its almost a crime to compare Schoenberg with any great composer. I have even heard some crazy fanatics placing Schoenberg above Beethoven and calling him the greatest ever. However I dont underestimate the perception and musical culture of his fans. I respect their opinion and perhaps some day I will find something enjoyable in his music, which I seriously doubt. So dont dismiss those who dont like his music.
@machida51143 жыл бұрын
May you have the blessing of gods.
@machida51143 жыл бұрын
@@Guillermopianista He is the founder of a new religion.
@mrtchaikovsky Жыл бұрын
@@Guillermopianista If you think Schönberg fans are dogmatic, try Bach fans. Heaven forbid someone doesn't like Bach, he must be either musically illiterate or stupid. Besides, the opposite applies as well, namely that people who don't like Schönberg accuse his fans of being posers who only pretend to like his music to appear cultured.
@sunkintree3 ай бұрын
The cost of understanding art is always a type of alienation. Laymen expect art to magically conform to the expectations one holds in the mind, but the reality is that great art is something worth altering the state of your mind for. You adapt to it or you don't. Adaptation is always alienation from those unworthy or unwilling to do so themselves.
@richardbradbyrn1209 Жыл бұрын
Quite happy leaving twelve tone composition to the historical footnote it sits in. Perhaps music was meant to "go through" this experimental phase, in which case, I'm glad it came out the other side. :-)
@garrysmodsketches Жыл бұрын
ok, sure, fine. But can you people just shut up?
@Isegawa2001 Жыл бұрын
sigh
@thomasanderson517810 ай бұрын
Atonality be interesting from an intellectual perspective, but it cannot resonate with human emotion.
@SirVTropic13 күн бұрын
Can't it?
@davidthompson77166 жыл бұрын
I never really liked serialism/shcoenberg until I read it and listened to it at the same time. Unreal craic.
@skidmoremusictech5285 жыл бұрын
I love 12 tone music!
@riiise95014 жыл бұрын
Thanks for helping me with my Schoolprojekt! I searched for the tonesystem 1h and now i found it, THANKS
@machida51143 жыл бұрын
May you have the blessing of gods.
@notmissunity8240 Жыл бұрын
I think shoenberg, is enjoyable in the way that some people enjoy equations, and discussing complex math. It doesn't give direct screaming results like, rocket ship, or in this cas liszt or chopin, but for some people it may be even more enjoyable.
@mhdfrb9971 Жыл бұрын
Suit yourself
@dennischiapello72436 жыл бұрын
What I like about the Piano Suite--and what makes it easier listening than other piano works of Schoenberg--is the strong rhythmic element, with lively syncopations.
@machida51143 жыл бұрын
you're right.
@user-kp5hp1hk1o4 жыл бұрын
I love Schoenberg the most in classic compoer. But everyone said unbelievable for me.
@BioChemistryWizard4 жыл бұрын
Because you have bad taste.
@user-ef4de6ds6f4 жыл бұрын
@@BioChemistryWizard that makes no sense... schoenberg's music is filled with many repeating elements and underlying elements that raise questions which I personally think are cool... just because it doesn't sound good to you doesn't make it music for people with bad taste...
@machida51143 жыл бұрын
May you have the blessing of gods.
@komradenikolai Жыл бұрын
If ADHD was a style of composition
@nem07634 жыл бұрын
I do wish I understood. From what I gather in the comments, if you know the theory, or just get it intuitively, this is actually highly structured music and demonstrates a magnificent access to its deeper levels. I hate to be so obvious by saying so, but it just doesn't give me any pleasure as a lay listener. I could maybe compare it to those who read favorite writers of mine, like Lispector, Rulfo, Ashbery, Krasznahorkai, Anne Carson, Can Xue, etc. who might similarly feel like they've run up against something opaque, joyless, or willfully meaningless. Whereas I see great beauty and insight in their works. I'm glad this exists, but I regret my own ears.
@Historia_4 жыл бұрын
Honestly I like listening to this more then listening to Scriabin sonatas
@dpetrov323 жыл бұрын
Music should never require theory knowledge to be enjoyed - music theory should deepen the enjoyment, but not be a requirement. Otherwise it becomes a dry academic exercise which computers can easily create, and the composer can feel like a misunderstood genius ahead of his time.
@machida51143 жыл бұрын
you're right. This work is Schoenberg's experimental work. So it's natural that you can't understand. Please listen to the piano work before Op.24. Or listen to Piano Concerto Op.42. Even if you don't understand them, you'll love them.
@isaacgaleao2 жыл бұрын
As a musical student I enjoy listening to this but not casually This makes me confused and I imagine a lot of situations where these themes could fit in, but it's mainly chaos and weirdness
@garrysmodsketches Жыл бұрын
don't try to "understand" it, just listen to it a few times and let your ear explore the music. If you get familiar with the piece (aurally), then you will be able to wrap your head around the structure of the piece eventually.
@theclarinetjooddsandends37537 жыл бұрын
Outstanding interprétation !
@sebthi78903 жыл бұрын
this very nice music, it showes the richness of nature, the hidden order in the wilderness, no chaos, only for a straight thinking human being it doesn't want to be understood. Change your perspective, a little closer, a step back and you wil dicover the beauty. It is no musical fastfood your ears can chew at a boring rainy afternoon, or during brain melting sun bath on July beach.
@Atombombmother3 ай бұрын
Excellent
@bjrnvindabildtrup93372 жыл бұрын
I like this. But probably wouldn't remember anything about it unless I heard it a lot of times. And I don't think I would say I necessarily "understand" the language of it, if that's even the purpose, maybe it's not. It's like a person with no language doing a lot of intentional sounds and gesticulations, you can tell they are trying to express something with a lot of nuances but you can't really interpret what they mean precisely, and there's a slight chance they might just be crazy and it's all meaningless.
@masongonzalez8473 жыл бұрын
what the... this is cool!
@Hist_da_Musica2 жыл бұрын
Great performance!
@MartynaKulakowska2 жыл бұрын
I’m reading this now. I reall enjoy this piece!
@LeVezz2 жыл бұрын
As well planned as these pieces are. I understand why it's forgotten music. A brainiac experiment.
@stueystuey19622 жыл бұрын
Nah, not forgotten. Just less performed than it ought to be. One of if not my favorite solo piano pieces between 2nd Viennese school and pre 1950's. Babbitt and Carter both moved the needle forward on solo piano post WWII. Your suggestion that it is braniac music would be akin to saying that quantum mechanics is a thought experiment - which it is - but has no useful applications. Which is not true. Gorgeous music that stands by itself as enjoyable and profoundly moving.
@jamesohearn23642 жыл бұрын
@@stueystuey1962 profoundly moving to a very small segment of people - too invested in doing something new, in my opinion, after the fashion of some of Yoko Ono’s art. Uniqueness alone is not worthy of approval, however carefully crafted the uniqueness is. Something can be masterfully made and I’ll acknowledge that while never wanting to hear or see it.
@jamesohearn23642 жыл бұрын
@UCjAoI8fxulxHEQqCWotC2EQ I agree that some people do find it emotionally meaningful. I’d just also argue that there ARE people who claim to find art like this emotionally meaningful because they’re pretentious, the same way I’ll assume that someone who finds a painting consisting entirely of the color green is being pretentious. Humans can find meaning in basically everything and anything, given effort. Literally anything. Good art, in my opinion, makes finding that meaning an easier shared joy.
@stueystuey19622 жыл бұрын
@@jamesohearn2364 bottom line here is I enjoy sch op 25 as much as I enjoyed Brahms 3rd symphony or jumping jack flash. We all have our limitations. Visual art barely moves me, regardless of style or period. Just doesnt do anything really. Same quite frankly with poetry. But music I am passionate, and Schoenberg is one of the most important contributors to the arts in all of the western tradition. Not for theoretical or philosophical reasons but for sheer artistry composing some of the most powerful, enjoyable and mystical sounds ever put together.
@fredericchopin48214 жыл бұрын
I just wish I could understand the theory behind atonality the 12 tone system
@machida51143 жыл бұрын
Pitches equalization. Abandonment of hegemony.
@joaocarvalho88402 жыл бұрын
It's quite easy to understand the idea behind it. It's based on 12 notes, so you must compose using every single one of them to make a 12 tone row. Then and only then you can repeat the first note. To make things more interesting and adding variations you can play your row backwards, this is called the retrogade; or you can invert the intervals, meaning that if you went up a minor third you must go down a minor third; there's also the inverted retrogade and finally you can transpose your row. The notes can be also played harmonicaly. And that's pretty much how it goes.
@joelparker8 жыл бұрын
Thanks for uploading this.
@guikentaro3 ай бұрын
Honestly, I like it very much... It's atonal but, it works... As if the protagonist wasn't the harmony itself, but the rhythm, pitch range and melodic lines! Yeah, I like this. ❤
@guikentaro3 ай бұрын
Oooh, the dynamics and colors are also on the spotlight 😮
@supermax55843 жыл бұрын
What the hell. This piece is/looks so darn hard. And I have to learn and play this in 1½ months. Well... Let's go..?
@shiroumxm20523 жыл бұрын
so¿ did you get to learn it¿
@machida51143 жыл бұрын
You're right. This work is an experimental work.
@otonanoC3 жыл бұрын
For those people calling this "Trash" or saying "This is random banging" , consider this section of Chopin's sonata written in 1844. Even this early we can see composers putting in sections of music that avoid tonality with the intent of creating a sense of chaos. watch?v=xGJxmCOPFVM?t=270 Schoenberg's Suite op25 is what happens when you go as far away from harmony as is possible.
@Indie02043 жыл бұрын
Although different in a lot of ways, and not necessarily a rejection of tonality, Beethovens "Grand Fugue" was also a suggestion of the desire for order, even at the expense of traditional understanding of the average ear. Under the seemingly confusing outside, there is a very intriguing and complex inside, similar to this. Composers have been doing that stuff for years.
@dpetrov323 жыл бұрын
Agreed, but can this "cult of progress" be continued ad infinitum? Or is there a point where it ends?
@Indie02043 жыл бұрын
@@dpetrov32 Well, not really, according to Schoenberg. Schoenberg recognized that modernism may give rise to legitimate randomness and simply creates a way to avoid tonality and maintain order. He uses a 12 tone scale system that makes sure that there is musical democracy, along with certain rules about where high and low notes are placed. Theoretically, can modernism devolve into something completely random? The answer to that is probably yes, you have composers like John Cage who used to VERY heavily push the boundaries of music to its absolute limit (listen to his "Water Walk" or "4:33", both as live performances since the audience is "part of the music", and personally I think it occasionally gets too far out there for my taste), but in regards to Schoenberg, I say that it isnt infinite. Plus, even if there was no order, and the notes themselves were random, he maintains the use of rhythms that it some way mobe the music in a direction, even if the direction is unknown.
@machida51143 жыл бұрын
@@Indie0204The composer experimented with his invention.
@machida51143 жыл бұрын
@@dpetrov32 Atonality is eternal.
@Amlink Жыл бұрын
Tears….. 😭
@SirVTropic13 күн бұрын
If you don't like it, turn it off 😂
@lightyagami10582 ай бұрын
Schoenberg loves clay.
@johnjanine51812 жыл бұрын
One of many composers that influenced F Zappa.
@MrChannelReview6 жыл бұрын
Damn it I'm mad at how great 13:12 sounds for 3 seconds before going back to the rest of the dissonance
@kevinnguyen552 Жыл бұрын
The music just sounds random. I can't seem to find any patterns in here, or any structure. It's just randomness.
@GUILLOM Жыл бұрын
Give it another chance
@mangomerkel2005 Жыл бұрын
I also strongly resent this music (I love the romantic period), but it is anything but random. Just Google 'Dodecaphony'. Themes are also split or mixed up. Trust me, I even had the first bars of this Suite as part of my final music exam at a Bavarian High School.
@pianobossofmidi9593 Жыл бұрын
Underrated
@opticalmixing236 жыл бұрын
This work is genius
@estadodeemergencia2607 жыл бұрын
grandioso el dodecafonismo ¡¡¡
@harryandruschak28438 жыл бұрын
Is B-flat or B-natural supposed to represent "H"?
@AshishXiangyiKumar8 жыл бұрын
In German musical nomenclature, B♭ is B, and B is H. The B♭-A-C-B motif is used all throughout classical music (see Liszt's Fantasy and Fugue on BACH, or the last fugue in Bach's own Art of Fugue, for instance.)
@harryandruschak28438 жыл бұрын
Ashish Xiangyi Kumar Thank you for clearing that up....I learn something new every day :) Of course B-flat would be the same as A-sharp with modern equal tempermant
@richardlaforest57277 жыл бұрын
Ashish : I guess you are half right. However, there are no connexions at all between the word, the name and the motif. It is just a coincidence that the spelling of the name matches the letters of a motif on the basis that the musical notes are named with A- B- C-D etc. The name of the person called Harper, for instance, doesn't mean that the person has a "personal" (or real) connexion with the instrument called the "harp" The person is not necessary a player of that instrument just because is name is Harper. Did I make myself understood? A - B -C - D - etc, is just a way to write music and be understood by everyone.
@jaredpeterson34474 жыл бұрын
Richard Laforest what’s interesting though is that Bach actually wrote his name at times in his music using musical notation which was possible because of how the Germans used H instead of B in their musical notation. The other composers mentioned at times included that specific series of notes within their music as a nod to Bach doing this in his own music.
@arcarorafael3 жыл бұрын
Such a great original work for piano; unbeatable
@user-xu5gt2us3e2 жыл бұрын
So beautiful 😍
@mhdfrb9971 Жыл бұрын
Cap
@johnappleseed83697 жыл бұрын
This is not atonal at all, it sounds great!! I don't know what people are on about, there are Brahmsian melodies and Bachian polyphony everywhere, it's beautiful! :)
@dennischiapello72436 жыл бұрын
I'm confused by your use of the word "atonal." It looks as though you regard it as a pejorative, when it's merely a technical description, akin to saying that Beethoven's Fifth Symphony is in C Major. I share your enthusiasm for this work; it DOES sound great! But the fact is that Schoenberg wrote it in 12-tone technique, which he developed precisely to ensure that any piece written by this method would have no identifiable tonal center.
@benschweitzer63076 жыл бұрын
No, Schoenberg thought that atonality was impossible because of the inherent possibilities in any group of tones to create hierarchy. He didn't want to erase centers, but rather create new ways of centering.
@johnappleseed83696 жыл бұрын
Ben Schweitzer Correct, it only takes one to go through the music slowly to see the way the centers morph and shift, to create truly "atonal" music would require all the notes of every octave to be played simultaneously for the entire piece (which wouldn't be an interesting piece)
@toothlesstoe6 жыл бұрын
+Andrei Anghel I don't really recall anyone comparing this "trash" with the music of Bach. Even if anyone did, although such comparison would be silly, it wouldn't constitute an offense.
@benzervigon73036 жыл бұрын
schoenberg hated the term atonal
@chrissahar20146 жыл бұрын
The great thing about this performance is how you hear the influence of Prokofiev (think Vision Fugitives) in Schoenberg's piano orchestration and the differing articulations of different lines. Although the language is very much Schoenberg's, the piano coloring (for lack of a better term) is much of its time and like a good deal of Prokofiev's piano music, transcends it.
@mickizurcher2 жыл бұрын
How does one begin to listen to this? sincere question, as I don't know how to listen to any music. If I listen to something enough, then I can begin to enjoy, but getting there is a trial.
@arielorthmann40612 жыл бұрын
You don't start with this piece. Maybe try to listen to Schönberg's pieces chronologically (they start out tonal) to give yourself a better view
@sunkintree3 ай бұрын
Appreciating Jazz has been a crucial stepping stone to music like this for me, but is probably not the only path